Thrive: The Story is Wrong but the Spirit is Right

"What is keeping us from thriving?" asks the new movie, Thrive. The answer it gives is "the global elite," the people who control the financial system that in turn controls everything else. Operating through the power institutions of our society, this elite pursues a conscious agenda of total world dominance, purposely suppressing anything that would disrupt their power: from clean energy to alternative cancer cures.
This answer might serve to give expression to feelings of rage, hate, grief, and indignation that otherwise, in a world where the wrongness is so ubiquitous as to seem woven into the fabric of reality itself, would turn inward. Ultimately, though, this answer feeds the mentality of control that is a much deeper culprit in humanity's failure to thrive.
To put primary blame on the global elite says that the primary problem is not the system; it is the masters of the system. If only they were not such awful, greedy -- in a word, evil -- people, they would relent and create a new system. Certainly that's what you and I would do if we were in a position of power -- right? Because we, unlike they, are decent people. In other words, the culprit for the planet's woes is evil, which implies that the solution is to somehow defeat or eliminate evil (though to its credit, Thrive advocates non-violent means to accomplish this.)
The quest to create a better world through conquering evil lies at the heart of civilization as we know it. Originating in the earliest agricultural civilizations, the concept of evil first applied to weeds, wolves, locusts, hail storms, and other natural phenomena that were, before agriculture, merely parts of an interdependent whole, and not the enemies of mankind.
In the ensuing millennia, the War Against Evil developed in tandem with technology and religion. The conquest of nature extended into the internal realms and became a struggle for self-mastery, self-control, and the transcendence of the flesh. It extended into the social realm as programs of social engineering that sought to eliminate evil on a mass scale. Taken to its extreme, it took the form of purges, pogroms, ethnic cleansing, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism. In other words, the elimination of evil lends itself to the very same dominator mindset that is part of the problem.
Thrive advocates peaceful non-compliance with the institutions of domination, except in cases of "self-defense". But when you see an enemy implacably bound to enslave you or murder you, the line between defense and offense blurs. What war of aggression in the last hundred years has not been justified as a kind of self-defense? The Indians are scalping innocent settlers! The North Vietnamese communists attacked our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin! Remember the Lusitania! The terrorist regime is producing weapons of mass destruction!
That is not to say that there aren't powerful people in the world that do tremendous damage, or that these people should not be held to account. These people, however, are produced and given power by a system that runs deeper than anyone's capacity to design. It is a system that has taken on a life of its own, a system that includes even the film's favorite targets -- the Rockefellers and Rothschilds -- among its thralls. The money system -- born of interest-bearing debt and generating separation and exponential growth -- is at its core, but even the money system rests on a deeper foundation. It rests on our civilization's defining myths: scarcity, reductionism, determinism, dualism, separation. But as the filmmaker must know, these stories have run their course, and so has the world built atop them.
The money system and its underlying mythology necessitate the roles that the power elite fill. Remove those people without changing the underlying beliefs, and new tyrants will rise to take their place. However strong our idealism, do we imagine that our revolution against evil will produce results any better than the French Revolutionaries or the Bolsheviks did? The War against Evil never ends, because it generates a limitless supply of new enemies, progeny of its own shadow.
Perhaps there was a conscious conspiracy to suppress free energy devices, alternative cancer therapies, and so forth, or maybe it was an unconscious conspiracy comprising the agents of the status quo whose careers and intellectual paradigms these technologies violate. In either case, the suppression is decreasingly effective, as the guardians and executors of the system struggle just to keep it going a couple years longer. The analogy to control-based technologies of agriculture or medicine is quite precise. You can suppress each new pesticide-resistant weed with a new chemical, but eventually the consequences of chemical agriculture pile up faster than you can invent new technological fixes to deal with them. It works great at first and yields rise significantly with very little effort, but eventually huge chemical input is needed even to break even. In medicine, you can suppress with a pharmaceutical drug the symptoms caused by the last pharmaceutical drug, but eventually the patient is on twenty medications and getting no better; synergistic side effects proliferate and the patient rapidly deteriorates. Such is the inevitable end game for any program of control. The illusion of control can only be maintained temporarily, and at ever greater cost.
If there ever was an Illuminati orchestrating world events, it has lost control. Today, the atmosphere among the financial elite fluctuates between panic and resignation. They cannot be bothered to suppress films like Thrive, like What on Earth, like Moon Rising, magazines like Infinite Energy, and all the information freely available on the Internet that is accelerating the shift of consciousness away from separation and scarcity.
The ground has already begun to shift, and that shift will accelerate as the "old normal" falls apart. It has fallen apart in many ways already, yet its afterimage lingers. The supermarkets are still full of food, the malls full of shoppers, the highways full of cars, and the ATM's full of cash. The last-ditch strategy of the financial elite, "extend and pretend", applies to our entire society. It is still possible to pretend that the world of our parents will be the world of our children, and to extend its lifestyle a few more years. But that pretense is wearing thin.
Despite this criticism, I would say that Thrive gets the story wrong but the spirit right. The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new. Toward the end, the film touches on this understanding through the words of Elisabet Sahtouris, who likens the present historical moment to the metamorphosis of a caterpillar into a butterfly, or to the transition of an ecosystem from headlong growth in its immature state, to symbiotic homeostasis in its mature state. I wish the film had given her greater voice, and developed the idea that the power elite are not reprehensible villains, but players of a role soon to become obsolete. This would be an attitude of forgiveness and invitation. After all, the rewards of the rich, whether measured in money or political power, do little to further their authentic happiness. The rest of us, having not attained the pinnacle of success, can at least tell ourselves that our angst would be relieved if only we reached the top of the ladder. The power elite have no such anodyne to assuage the desolation of life at the top. The system, in other words, isn't working for them either. We want to invite the 1% into a world that is better for everyone.
The film argues that if only we threw off the yoke of the tyrannical Illuminati, we would live in a magnificent, abundant, peaceful world. For example, it says, the deliberate suppression of "free energy" technology would end. Again, the film gets the story wrong but the spirit right. I won't consider here the scientific plausibility of such technology, which appears to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics, but will rather address the film's contention that the main reason for the misery of the Third World masses is lack of access to energy, and that unlimited clean energy would be a near-panacea for humanity's problems and would usher in an era of abundance. The story here -- call it "technological utopianism" -- is that technology is going to rescue us, create a new and better world, and solve our problems. We have heard this story many times before, starting with the steam engine, and proceeding through electricity, chemicals, atomic energy, computers, economics and political science, nanotechnology... each invention promised an age of leisure, freedom from disease, social perfection, and other wonders; two hundred years later, none of these promises has been redeemed. We work longer hours than in 1973 and, by many measures, are sicker and unhappier than a primitive tribesperson or peasant.
Why has the promise of technology never been redeemed? If not an evil illuminati consciously suppressing or co-opting the technologies of abundance, what has kept us in a state of scarcity and extreme inequality? If we don't address the reason at its root, and instead blame it on evil people, we will never redeem the promise either.
The truth is that without a change in our consciousness and in the social systems built on our consciousness, no technology will be any more successful than any of those I just listed in bringing peace and prosperity to all people on earth. Indeed, such a vision, and the technologies that are part of it, seem "too good to be true" to someone accustomed to scarcity and habituated to the responses to scarcity: domination, control, struggle against each other and against nature. When this mindset changes, no new technology is even necessary. We already have, and always have had, potential abundance at our fingertips. The scarcity that so many experience today is not the result of any fundamental lack, but rather of the maldistribution of political power and resources. What kind of abundance would we have if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on wars, guns, non-recyclable packaging, sprawling suburbs, automobile culture, consumer junk, transcontinental food, unnecessary pharmaceuticals, and every other form of waste that contributes nothing to human happiness? In one way or another, all of these things are the end products of a civilization built on separation.
A world of justice and abundance doesn't depend on any new technology, yet it is also true that new kinds of technology will emerge from a different kind of consciousness. The shift of consciousness of which I speak is from separation to oneness; from being to "interbeing"; from a discrete and separate self in an external objective universe, to an integral part that contains the whole. The new self seeks less to dominate than to cocreate, less to control than to share. It knows that the whole universe is as alive and as conscious as oneself. From that perspective, technologies that do no harm to other beings come naturally; from this perspective, it seems as a matter of course that the universe wants to freely provide what we need, rather than requiring us to wrest it from an indifferent or hostile environment. Thus we have a paradox: we do not need new technology to enjoy abundance; yet, the shift of perception that is necessary to enjoy abundance will also bring forth new technology. Or we might say that free energy technology will be a symptom that our consciousness has shifted, or perhaps an instrument for the actualization of abundance consciousness in material reality. The filmmaker understands that on some level. The spirit coming through is this: a more beautiful world is possible, right in front of our faces, waiting only for us to accept it. It is a spirit of vast possibility readily available.
Because it carries this spirit, the film has attracted a cult following despite its disjointed editing, repetitiveness, and the narrator's frequent resort to "I believe," and "I am firmly convinced" in place of actual evidence or arguments. Indeed, at times it seems that the film wants to be about Foster Gamble's personal journey to radicalism and hope. Despite its flaws, in its invocation of evil and in its appeal to technological salvation, Thrive arouses our conviction that the world isn't supposed to be this way, and that a much better world is closer than we dare think. Even if it wrongly ascribes the source of the problem and misidentifies the essence of the solution, still it will stimulate people to deepen their questioning of the boundaries of consensus reality. This is a good thing. Once the questioning starts, it will not stop until we arrive at a new story aligned with the spirit being born today.
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The story goes deeper.
Sorry, but I don't think "the story is wrong". Until we come to terms with the fact that secret societies DO control world politics and corporate board rooms, we aren't going to get very far in achieving political independence, because in reality these are the people we need independence from. Until this is understood, we are merely struggling against shadows. A smoke and mirrors game. It's easy for people who are not very familiar with the machinations of secret societies to dismiss them as implausible because they don't understand the extent to which they operate. Some of the more powerful secret societies have roots going back thousands of years, and they've been involved in power struggles, including creating and influencing revolutions, for a long long time.
Look on the back of your dollar bill, the image at the top of this article. The phrase "In God We Trust" is a motto of the Freemasons. The eye in the pyramid is an ancient occult symbol that shows the power of an enlightened elite to control the masses. The evidence of secret societies in control of our culture is right in front of our faces but most people don't really have a clue. I don't think we are going to achieve any sort of real liberation until we come to terms with this in a serious way. Fighting Wall Street is sort of irrelevant in the long scheme of things, what we need to remove are the powers behind Wall Street. It goes way deeper than the corporations and the public personas discussed openly in the media.
I agree with your point "The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new." Although I would say, it's both. Our current system is both an evil to overcome, and also an evolutionary step that needs to be fulfilled. But this step cannot be taken until the forces that rule are dethroned. And I don't just mean the corrupt politicians and corporate oligarchs. Yes, cults like the Illuminati are real, and yes, they are very evil: in an arrogant, Luciferian sense, and also a Satanic, materialistic sense. They embody the wanton hedonism of capitalism. We won't be able to heal humanity until we understand history at a level deeper than the superficial world told in history books, and truly overthrow the "hidden hand" at the tiller of history. As Virgil Kint said, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."
It is the secret societies
It is the secret societies that have created this reality from the core of civilization which starts in education and persists through adulthood....its their world we just live in it, and the ones who understand psychology and the human condition and behavioral science are the ones who push the buttons, who create social norms. the system maybe be whats wrong with the world not the elite but it was the elite who created the system in the first place.
Charlotte Iserbyt's father and grandfather were both skull and bonesmen and she tells all.....
youtube this:
Charlotte Iserbyt: Secrets Of Skull And Bones Blown Wide Open 1/4the devil...
And I would say, "The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing everyone he DOES exist," because the belief in the Devil, the "othering" of evil, is what is responsible for so much evil in the world. It also obviates the need to look within. It is not only the conspiracy hypothesis that short-circuits this necessary "shadow work" (as one commenter put it). The New Age philosophy tends to bypass it as well.
That does not mean, as some imply, that I think the transition that we face will be all peaches and cream. Nor do I think that we will make the transition without the collapse of much that is familiar. However, the generosity that I have witnessed many times in the face of extreme circumstances leads me to be optimistic that we will make the transition with far fewer casualties than one would reasonably expect.
Many of the commenters to this post seem to think that I must not be familiar with the conspiracy literature. Not true. I have read quite a lot of it, and spent considerable time in that world. It is all very compelling when I'm immersed in it, but when I take a step back, some things just don't add up. I wrote about some of them in my other piece on Reality Sandwich: "Syncrhonicity, Myth, and the New World Order." So if I am naive, it is not from ignorance. Perhaps my naivete is willful then. Perhaps I am just unwilling to see evil. Perhaps I am indulging in wishful thinking because I have children. Perhaps I suffer from a deficiency of intellect. The comments below and on my other piece advance all these hypotheses. If you are sitting on the fence, I invite you to trust both reason and instinct as you observe your own emotional reactions to this kind of material.
I nonetheless appreciate the thoughtfulness of these comments, both those that support my thesis and those that disagree with it. Thanksgiving prevented me from particpating in the conversation, but I appreciate the time people devoted to this discussion, and the insightfulness of many of the comments.
Charles
The Installation of a Social Taboo "Greed"
Really?
Why assume...
A computer scientist put it this way: how do we regard an ant crawling across our arm? A majority of people would kill it without a second thought, regarding the ant’s particular fate as entirely meaningless.
Why assume...
...that a super-intelligence would be as stupid as a majority of people?
the XKCD money chart
What kind of abundance would we have if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on wars, guns, non-recyclable packaging, sprawling suburbs, automobile culture, consumer junk, transcontinental food, unnecessary pharmaceuticals, and every other form of waste that contributes nothing to human happiness?
Actually -- there's a very interesting way of looking at this question quantitatively.
See: the XKCD money chart. You can actually look at the federal budget, and all its parts, in comparison to the amount of money required to give everybody a middle class budget, and such.
What is occluded are the invisible benefits -- For example, if people are doing work they love, if people are not alienated, etc., etc., and the efficiencies that come with those conditions.
But it's a nice comparison point.
Thermodynamics
quesions
Westerners always speak of
free energy
I couldn't agree with you more
It'll take a little evolution
Thank you, Charles. I agree that you've got a lot of good things to say. Along these lines, I've always liked this quote from Bede Griffiths:
"Our present world is conditioned by our present mode of consciousness; only when that consciousness passes from its present dualistic mode...will the new creation appear, which is the external reality of which our world is a mirror."
There's been many prescient things like this said, and we know these changes are happening, in fact, they have to happen – it's evolution. But didn't Cro-Magnon man overlap neanderthals, and most likely struggle mightily with it for quite a while before the changes took hold? Welp, that's probably like us now.
Evolution is a rather lengthy proposition, and on any geological scale, the generations that'll experience this expansion of consciousness may not amount to a hill of beans in this crazy, mixed-up world. We'll very likely all be dead and long gone before the neanderthals give it up, and that's as it should be. It's fine in fact – life is death, and death is life, so the only real opportunity we have to contribute to the change is by living differently than they do.
...Although it would be nice to be there for it, wouldn't it? Maybe we will be.
Wow, Charles! When is your eBook coming out?
Love your writing style and the content is right on point. I so agree. I remember reading an article where a member of the Bilderburg group (http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php ), the people who supposedly rule the world, made a telling statement. He said something like, 'if we're ruling the world, we're doing a crap job alright.'
I was just looking at a photo of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet sitting together. Total nerds. Probably nice guys. All the powerful people I have met are not willfully evil. They are ignorant to certain sides of life that they just haven't lived. Or perhaps you're right when you say that their positions and peers won't let them see. Really, I loved your piece. I want to audit your next class!
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Clarity
To Charles Frith & Other Open RS Folk
A movie about free energy should be called "Get Thrived"
Great article on "Thrive", Charles. I couldn't bring myself to sit through the movie after watching the trailer, to be honest. I'm sure there was bits of signal within the movie but it seemed like it was not worth sitting through all the noise of the film -- as I felt all that noise coming through the trailer in an icky, sticky way.
It seems that "free energy" is only free when there is an even exchange, from the consciousness of the human being to the consciousness of this mother planet. Perhaps it is none other than Gaia herself who is waiting for the collective heart of human beings to give back to the earth in equal measure before free energy is a way of life for all. The energy within is freed-up when I walk in the proper amount of simple grief and gratitude and praise, with each step -- and then, as I do this, I notice how the energy without has a corresponding movement. It is then that it feels like life freely shows life how free energy moves and dances and plays.
The method that works for me, to know more about how to free energy (to live it now), is the Hawaiian art of Ho'oponopono, as taught buy Ihaleakala Hew Len.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL972JihAmg
It seems to be a good way to learn how to know when I'm blocking free energy from being present within myself, by more actively participating in (and paying attention to) my own inner life -- and taking inner-action.
Thrive review
The danger of the film and the challenge to all of us
Suzanne Taylor http://www.CropCircleMovie.com With the venality the film ascribes to a powerful elite who are attempting to create a New World Order in a conspiracy that wants to eliminate a majority of the population and destroy the solvency of the United States as they head us for a one world military dictatorship, it is of some concern that this movie has captivated so many in the New Age. My inbox is full of emails saying it’s a vitally important film to see. These are people who already know the system doesn’t work, so it’s for the analysis and not the fact of the unworkability that they are so attracted to he movie. Read Charles’s "Synchronicity, Myth, and the New World Order" to see the danger in attaching oneself to raging at conspiracies.
But I want to take issue with the comments here that point to there being a pie in the sky mentality about Charles’s advocacy of a fundamental change in our consciousness and our worldview. Regardless of Charles not speaking to how to bring that about and the writers not seeing how it could come to pass, it is what we need. I think that’s a worthy topic for all of us to delve into.
Love and Gratitude
What I love most about this site is how each topic gets bombarded from every angle. Through all these differing points of perception I'm granted a chance to actually step back and realize when I am allowing myself to be led down a particular path, without consideration for where exactly we're headed, or what other factors may be in play. I shudder to think of how much of the information in my life was fed to me without all of you guys chiming in to illuminate the gray areas. I gain as much or more from the following discussion as from the preceding article. I want to give love and thanks to all of you for taking the time and energy to formulate comments with relevance and insight. With all of us together, I see no way we can go wrong... not for long at least, since there will always be another poster to set us straight.
spiritual fortitude
the thrive thread
Wise Man 1: We will make the shift easily. It is our destiny. We create our reality with our intentions. I don't care what anyone else says because I've found The Secret and they clearly have not.
Wise Man 2: We can make the shift, but I'm absolutely convinced and ego-invested in the idea that we won't make the shift without massive violence, death and destruction - and lots of projected violence towards others. Child, you must understand that I have the right answers. There is so much evil in the world, child, and I am the one who sees it. I would make a great post-shift dictator! I am irritated and insecure when others fail to see reality and define it like I do. I find this upcoming shift incredibly frightening, and seem to value (fear for) my life greatly, but don't admit it in my dozen posts. I project (promote) my insecurities by posting reactively and repetitively under someone else's work.
Wise Man 3: We can do it, and I don't know how it will happen, but I'm devoting myself to studying and promoting a system that could work. I also understand that perhaps I don't know anything absolutely - though I've explored many angles. So - accepting this on a deep level - I'll advocate for what I want, based on what I seem to have learned and experienced. I am flexible and could see it either way, though I am firm about my commitment to humility and realistic optimism. Call me naive, but I warn against projecting hatred and ideas of separation out into the universe consciously or unconsciously.
Excellent comment, thank you!
What's *wrong* with "and"?
Charles,
I agree with pretty much all you have to say about the importance of values needing to be reflective of a certain level of consciousness in order for a higher quality of life to be experienced by the 100%. And, I don't think that it has to come at the expense of the many valid points made by Foster Gamble in THRIVE, or the numerous legitimate grievances by the #OWS/99%. I feel fortunate that JosephKitaj got here before I did; he saved me a lot of time in critiquing your critique. [Thanks, JosephKitaj!]
In reading your post, I'm reminded of the fable of the seven blind men and the elephant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant). I think you could have contributed just as powerful of a posting if you had taken the attitude of "and" while proceeding to make your points. You did not convince me that THRIVE missed the mark on anything. Rather, you exposed where you're not knowlegable in the areas where Foster and others are.
I'd also like to draw attention to where you wrote: "Despite this criticism, I would say that Thrive gets the story wrong but the spirit right. The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new."
In my study of Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/zeitgeist-moving-inward), the words "wrong" and "right" are keystones in the language of the dominator model. Yet, here you are using this very language of domination to invalidate Foster's perspective. You've not convinced me of your authority to say Foster is wrong and you are right. How would you say what you had to say without falling back into dominator language? For me, the word "and" becomes very useful and liberating in this situation. I feel blessed there are so many of us who are looking at the issues facing us at this time from so many different perspectives.
All this said, I also want to share that I have a deep appreciation for the voice you're emerging as in these conversations. In many ways, you had me at "hello". :) ...I'd like to see more bridge-building between the likes of you, Foster Gamble, Peter Joseph, etc. and less arguably contrived differentiation.
Keep up the great work!
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Manny Otto
www.MythosForCreatives.com
www.DivineArtsMedia.com
P.S. A final note on technology: I submit for your consideration that slavery would not have been abolished if it were not for the invention of the cotton gin. I don't believe the economy of the South would have been able to allow it. And I don't believe the "moral superiority" of the North or the fact that they won the Civil War carried near the weight of the fact that the South could continue without slavery due to the invention of the cotton gin. Relatively soon, AI combined with robotics will make human labor obsolete and thus a system that depends upon most people trading their labor for money. What to do then?
Hard right rudder!
I'm thinking the Titanic will prove to have been the relevant (prophetic) metaphor of our times -
Hey - Joseph
Joseph - i was just reading backwards through some of this discussion and came across a post by Daniel Pinchbeck on the previous page of comments. He says he wants you to write for Reality Sandwich. just in case you missed that. yes, the forums can be difficult, but this is maybe the prime place on the web to promote and discuss these kinds of important ideas. so please don't give up on posting here. (and though there may be just a handful of people posting, there may be thousands of people reading this thread and it is here on the web forever)
someone told me about this film and I have ordered the DVD. I look forward to seeing it. and I was very pleased to find this article and discussion about the film. this all seems to get to the heart of what we need to be figuring out, which I'm sure is why Pinchbeck would like to see more of your writing. so I hope you will consider his offer....
I think documentaries are a VERY powerful way to change the world. I maintain a list of docus here:
http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/docufilm.htm
thanks for the article Charles, and thanks to all posters, and to everyone that keeps this place going.
Joseph Kitaj
Thank you to all for
Thank you to all for enriching this discussion. I feel it is important to deeply question and critique all points of view (including our own), especially in a manner of respect… as many here have demonstrated.
However I feel that some comments are disregarding the essential message of this piece. Though I am sympathetic to many opinions here, from that of a cautionary approach to new age utopianism to a genuine concern about what to do with the despotic power elite, however these concerns do not apply to the essential point- the view that a solely outward attack on the so called evil hierarchy manipulating our power institutions will create any lasting change. This suggests that the conditions of scarcity, control, and domination will recreate themselves if as a society we do not recognize that it is the shadow projection of our own collective psyche. In this regard the process of transformation must include an inner spiritualization of each individual, coinciding with an outward revolution. This does not deny the existence of the power elite nor argue that they are not extremely powerful. This means that any transition will not emerge without birth pangs.
Society must go through its own dark night of the (collective) soul in order to emerge a butterfly, and this is the same for each individual. This is no utopian new age fantasy- this is putting on the gloves and getting down and dirty with all the baggage accumulated, in all likelihood over many lifetimes. This is going to the root of the human condition. The dark night of the soul is in most cases not one specific night, but may be an ongoing experience of the world around crumbling. This can be the destruction of false beliefs, the confronting of past transgressions, and/ or coming to terms with Reality as it is, not as "i" think it should be.
I do not believe that this emergence from the dark night is guaranteed to all. Perhaps many will give up or regress in the face of 'seeming' insurmountable obstacles. A tree with shallow roots will not be able to withstand a storm and the dark night can come at any moment. How exactly we anchor ourselves to something transcendent of our situation is a whole other topic that Charles does not delve into; and forgivably so. There are many paths to the mountain peak, choose or better yet blaze your own.
The value of Thrive as food for thought
I was a consultant for THRIVE to get the crop circle info right, and, given my concerns about this film, which is being cheered by many of my New Age correspondents, I've been posting about it and about Charles. See the top two posts: http://TheConversation.org, where I bow to the value of these conversations that Charles's writing has elicited in these dangerous times when we need all the smarts that all of us can come up with.
Suzanne Taylor http://www.CropCircleMovie.com
All sounds the same, but when will it stop
A simple shift in consciousness from I to WE
A simple shift in consciousness from I to WE
Here and now
it all comes down to belief
I agree with you entirely,
I agree with you entirely, but I suggest that to attempt to create a consciousness revolution in the mass population by naming it as such will get you nowhere. It will be labelled hippy, new age, vague and unrealistic. To really get to people we have to speak to them in simple and logical terms.
Why are our systems flawed? Because they are hierarchies. What shape are these hierarchies? Pyramids. Why is a pyramid the wrong shape? Because it suggests one person can be placed above or below another in terms of power, wealth or social position. This contradicts the natural and logical systems theory that all participating elements of a system are equally involved in its processes. What other shape could replace the pyramid? A flat circle - the only true way to achieve real democracy is to eliminate representation, leaders and other false "democratic" ideas and allow all to participate voluntarily in the systems that effect them.
Extremely Naive
Great article!
I disagree with you Charles
Maybe if you watched the movie again...
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Debunking & Deconstructing THRIVE
Mr. Eisenstein
Implosion of THRIVE?
Author John Robbins, Other Progressives Denounce ‘Thrive’
The Santa Cruz–based author is joined by Deepak Chopra and others in a statement distancing themselves from the film.
http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progr...
from John Robbins:
“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film. Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed.
We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.
We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.
Signatories (in alphabetical order)
Deepak Chopra
Duane Elgin
Amy Goodman
Paul Hawken
Edgar Mitchell
John Perkins
John Robbins
Elisabet Sahtouris
Vandana Shiva