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Thrive: The Story is Wrong but the Spirit is Right

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"What is keeping us from thriving?" asks the new movie, Thrive. The answer it gives is "the global elite," the people who control the financial system that in turn controls everything else. Operating through the power institutions of our society, this elite pursues a conscious agenda of total world dominance, purposely suppressing anything that would disrupt their power: from clean energy to alternative cancer cures.

This answer might serve to give expression to feelings of rage, hate, grief, and indignation that otherwise, in a world where the wrongness is so ubiquitous as to seem woven into the fabric of reality itself, would turn inward. Ultimately, though, this answer feeds the  mentality of control that is a much deeper culprit in humanity's failure to thrive.

To put primary blame on the global elite says that the primary problem is not the system; it is the masters of the system. If only they were not such awful, greedy -- in a word, evil -- people, they would relent and create a new system. Certainly that's what you and I would do if we were in a position of power -- right? Because we, unlike they, are decent people. In other words, the culprit for the planet's woes is evil, which implies that the solution is to somehow defeat or eliminate evil (though to its credit, Thrive advocates non-violent means to accomplish this.)

The quest to create a better world through conquering evil lies at the heart of civilization as we know it. Originating in the earliest agricultural civilizations, the concept of evil first applied to weeds, wolves, locusts, hail storms, and other natural phenomena that were, before agriculture, merely parts of an interdependent whole, and not the enemies of mankind.

In the ensuing millennia, the War Against Evil developed in tandem with technology and religion. The conquest of nature extended into the internal realms and became a struggle for self-mastery, self-control, and the transcendence of the flesh. It extended into the social realm as programs of social engineering that sought to eliminate evil on a mass scale. Taken to its extreme, it took the form of purges, pogroms, ethnic cleansing, Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism. In other words, the elimination of evil lends itself to the very same dominator mindset that is part of the problem.

Thrive advocates peaceful non-compliance with the institutions of domination, except in cases of "self-defense". But when you see an enemy implacably bound to enslave you or murder you, the line between defense and offense blurs. What war of aggression in the last hundred years has not been justified as a kind of self-defense? The Indians are scalping innocent settlers! The North Vietnamese communists attacked our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin! Remember the Lusitania! The terrorist regime is producing weapons of mass destruction!

That is not to say that there aren't powerful people in the world that do tremendous damage, or that these people should not be held to account. These people, however, are produced and given power by a system that runs deeper than anyone's capacity to design. It is a system that has taken on a life of its own, a system that includes even the film's favorite targets -- the Rockefellers and Rothschilds -- among its thralls. The money system -- born of interest-bearing debt and generating separation and exponential growth -- is at its core, but even the money system rests on a deeper foundation. It rests on our civilization's defining myths: scarcity, reductionism, determinism, dualism, separation. But as the filmmaker must know, these stories have run their course, and so has the world built atop them.

The money system and its underlying mythology necessitate the roles that the power elite fill. Remove those people without changing the underlying beliefs, and new tyrants will rise to take their place. However strong our idealism, do we imagine that our revolution against evil will produce results any better than the French Revolutionaries or the Bolsheviks did? The War against Evil never ends, because it generates a limitless supply of new enemies, progeny of its own shadow.

Perhaps there was a conscious conspiracy to suppress free energy devices, alternative cancer therapies, and so forth, or maybe it was an unconscious conspiracy comprising the agents of the status quo whose careers and intellectual paradigms these technologies violate. In either case, the suppression is decreasingly effective, as the guardians and executors of the system struggle just to keep it going a couple years longer. The analogy to control-based technologies of agriculture or medicine is quite precise. You can suppress each new pesticide-resistant weed with a new chemical, but eventually the consequences of chemical agriculture pile up faster than you can invent new technological fixes to deal with them. It works great at first and yields rise significantly with very little effort, but eventually huge chemical input is needed even to break even. In medicine, you can suppress with a pharmaceutical drug the symptoms caused by the last pharmaceutical drug, but eventually the patient is on twenty medications and getting no better; synergistic side effects proliferate and the patient rapidly deteriorates. Such is the inevitable end game for any program of control.  The illusion of control can only be maintained temporarily, and at ever greater cost.

If there ever was an Illuminati orchestrating world events, it has lost control. Today, the atmosphere among the financial elite fluctuates between panic and resignation. They cannot be bothered to suppress films like Thrive, like What on Earth, like Moon Rising, magazines like Infinite Energy, and all the information freely available on the Internet that is accelerating the shift of consciousness away from separation and scarcity.

The ground has already begun to shift, and that shift will accelerate as the "old normal" falls apart. It has fallen apart in many ways already, yet its afterimage lingers. The supermarkets are still full of food, the malls full of shoppers, the highways full of cars, and the ATM's full of cash. The last-ditch strategy of the financial elite, "extend and pretend", applies to our entire society. It is still possible to pretend that the world of our parents will be the world of our children, and to extend its lifestyle a few more years. But that pretense is wearing thin.

Despite this criticism, I would say that Thrive gets the story wrong but the spirit right. The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new. Toward the end, the film touches on this understanding through the words of Elisabet Sahtouris, who likens the present historical moment to the metamorphosis of a caterpillar into a butterfly, or to the transition of an ecosystem from headlong growth in its immature state, to symbiotic homeostasis in its mature state. I wish the film had given her greater voice, and developed the idea that the power elite are not reprehensible villains, but players of a role soon to become obsolete. This would be an attitude of forgiveness and invitation. After all, the rewards of the rich, whether measured in money or political power, do little to further their authentic happiness. The rest of us, having not attained the pinnacle of success, can at least tell ourselves that our angst would be relieved if only we reached the top of the ladder. The power elite have no such anodyne to assuage the desolation of life at the top. The system, in other words, isn't working for them either. We want to invite the 1% into a world that is better for everyone.

The film argues that if only we threw off the yoke of the tyrannical Illuminati, we would live in a magnificent, abundant, peaceful world. For example, it says, the deliberate suppression of "free energy" technology would end. Again, the film gets the story wrong but the spirit right. I won't consider here the scientific plausibility of such technology, which appears to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics, but will rather address the film's contention that the main reason for the misery of the Third World masses is lack of access to energy, and that unlimited clean energy would be a near-panacea for humanity's problems and would usher in an era of abundance. The story here -- call it "technological utopianism" -- is that technology is going to rescue us, create a new and better world, and solve our problems.  We have heard this story many times before, starting with the steam engine, and proceeding through electricity, chemicals, atomic energy, computers, economics and political science, nanotechnology... each invention promised an age of leisure, freedom from disease, social perfection, and other wonders; two hundred years later, none of these promises has been redeemed. We work longer hours than in 1973 and, by many measures, are sicker and unhappier than a primitive tribesperson or peasant.

Why has the promise of technology never been redeemed? If not an evil illuminati consciously suppressing or co-opting the technologies of abundance, what has kept us in a state of scarcity and extreme inequality? If we don't address the reason at its root, and instead blame it on evil people, we will never redeem the promise either.

The truth is that without a change in our consciousness and in the social systems built on our consciousness, no technology will be any more successful than any of those I just listed in bringing peace and prosperity to all people on earth. Indeed, such a vision, and the technologies that are part of it, seem "too good to be true" to someone accustomed to scarcity and habituated to the responses to scarcity: domination, control, struggle against each other and against nature. When this mindset changes, no new technology is even necessary. We already have, and always have had, potential abundance at our fingertips. The scarcity that so many experience today is not the result of any fundamental lack, but rather of the maldistribution of political power and resources. What kind of abundance would we have if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on wars, guns, non-recyclable packaging, sprawling suburbs, automobile culture, consumer junk, transcontinental food, unnecessary pharmaceuticals, and every other form of waste that contributes nothing to human happiness? In one way or another, all of these things are the end products of a civilization built on separation.

A world of justice and abundance doesn't depend on any new technology, yet it is also true that new kinds of technology will emerge from a different kind of consciousness. The shift of consciousness of which I speak is from separation to oneness; from being to "interbeing"; from a discrete and separate self in an external objective universe, to an integral part that contains the whole. The new self seeks less to dominate than to cocreate, less to control than to share. It knows that the whole universe is as alive and as conscious as oneself. From that perspective, technologies that do no harm to other beings come naturally; from this perspective, it seems as a matter of course that the universe wants to freely provide what we need, rather than requiring us to wrest it from an indifferent or hostile environment. Thus we have a paradox: we do not need new technology to enjoy abundance; yet, the shift of perception that is necessary to enjoy abundance will also bring forth new technology. Or we might say that free energy technology will be a symptom that our consciousness has shifted, or perhaps an instrument for the actualization of abundance consciousness in material reality. The filmmaker understands that on some level. The spirit coming through is this: a more beautiful world is possible, right in front of our faces, waiting only for us to accept it. It is a spirit of vast possibility readily available.

Because it carries this spirit, the film has attracted a cult following despite its disjointed editing, repetitiveness, and the narrator's frequent resort to "I believe," and "I am firmly convinced" in place of actual evidence or arguments. Indeed, at times it seems that the film wants to be about Foster Gamble's personal journey to radicalism and hope. Despite its flaws, in its invocation of evil and in its appeal to technological salvation, Thrive arouses our conviction that the world isn't supposed to be this way, and that a much better world is closer than we dare think. Even if it wrongly ascribes the source of the problem and misidentifies the essence of the solution, still it will stimulate people to deepen their questioning of the boundaries of consensus reality. This is a good thing. Once the questioning starts, it will not stop until we arrive at a new story aligned with the spirit being born today.

 

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very well said

With the shift in consciousness comes a new system that develops naturally. Its here I can taste it. I agree with you Charles that there is too much focus in this movie on some sort of super force that actually has control. I feel that this paradigm is being eroded because of its own ill planning and the fix is a global re-syncing with natural systems. After all isn't the awakened consciousness just that, an ability to work well with the earth systems given to us at birth?

The story goes deeper.

Sorry, but I don't think "the story is wrong". Until we come to terms with the fact that secret societies DO control world politics and corporate board rooms, we aren't going to get very far in achieving political independence, because in reality these are the people we need independence from. Until this is understood, we are merely struggling against shadows. A smoke and mirrors game. It's easy for people who are not very familiar with the machinations of secret societies to dismiss them as implausible because they don't understand the extent to which they operate. Some of the more powerful secret societies have roots going back thousands of years, and they've been involved in power struggles, including creating and influencing revolutions, for a long long time.

Look on the back of your dollar bill, the image at the top of this article. The phrase "In God We Trust" is a motto of the Freemasons. The eye in the pyramid is an ancient occult symbol that shows the power of an enlightened elite to control the masses. The evidence of secret societies in control of our culture is right in front of our faces but most people don't really have a clue. I don't think we are going to achieve any sort of real liberation until we come to terms with this in a serious way. Fighting Wall Street is sort of irrelevant in the long scheme of things, what we need to remove are the powers behind Wall Street. It goes way deeper than the corporations and the public personas discussed openly in the media.

I agree with your point "The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new." Although I would say, it's both. Our current system is both an evil to overcome, and also an evolutionary step that needs to be fulfilled. But this step cannot be taken until the forces that rule are dethroned. And I don't just mean the corrupt politicians and corporate oligarchs. Yes, cults like the Illuminati are real, and yes, they are very evil: in an arrogant, Luciferian sense, and also a Satanic, materialistic sense. They embody the wanton hedonism of capitalism. We won't be able to heal humanity until we understand history at a level deeper than the superficial world told in history books, and truly overthrow the "hidden hand" at the tiller of history. As Virgil Kint said, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

It is the secret societies

It is the secret societies that have created this reality from the core of civilization which starts in education and persists through adulthood....its their world we just live in it, and the ones who understand psychology and the human condition and behavioral science are the ones who push the buttons, who create social norms. the system maybe be whats wrong with the world not the elite but it was the elite who created the system in the first place. 

Charlotte Iserbyt's father and grandfather were both skull and bonesmen and she tells all.....

youtube this: 

Charlotte Iserbyt: Secrets Of Skull And Bones Blown Wide Open 1/4

the devil...

And I would say, "The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing everyone he DOES exist," because the belief in the Devil, the "othering" of evil, is what is responsible for so much evil in the world. It also obviates the need to look within. It is not only the conspiracy hypothesis that short-circuits this necessary "shadow work" (as one commenter put it). The New Age philosophy tends to bypass it as well.  

That does not mean, as some imply, that I think the transition that we face will be all peaches and cream. Nor do I think that we will make the transition without the collapse of much that is familiar. However, the generosity that I have witnessed many times in the face of extreme circumstances leads me to be optimistic that we will make the transition with far fewer casualties than one would reasonably expect.

Many of the commenters to this post seem to think that I must not be familiar with the conspiracy literature. Not true. I have read quite a lot of it, and spent considerable time in that world. It is all very compelling when I'm immersed in it, but when I take a step back, some things just don't add up. I wrote about some of them in my other piece on Reality Sandwich: "Syncrhonicity, Myth, and the New World Order." So if I am naive, it is not from ignorance. Perhaps my naivete is willful then. Perhaps I am just unwilling to see evil. Perhaps I am indulging in wishful thinking because I have children. Perhaps I suffer from a deficiency of intellect. The comments below and on my other piece advance all these hypotheses. If you are sitting on the fence, I invite you to trust both reason and instinct as you observe your own emotional reactions to this kind of material. 

I nonetheless appreciate the thoughtfulness of these comments, both those that support my thesis and those that disagree with it. Thanksgiving prevented me from particpating in the conversation, but I appreciate the time people devoted to this discussion, and the insightfulness of many of the comments.

Charles

The Installation of a Social Taboo "Greed"

The occupy movement is creating a forever changing rifts in the fabric of human culture and human consciousness. What the movement is equipped with is one solitary tool that alters the way people will live from this point on. That special weapon of the occupy movement is “guilt”. This is not class warfare it is cultural warfare it is an attack on how even the most ordinary citizen live their lives. The power of guilt is an essential tool for creating social taboos. Alienating not a class of citizens but an action of ordinary citizen life, which is over indulging in grotesque wealth and spending, and absent from giving back to the community. It’s the idea of rather having 100 “useless eaters” who only survive on what is completely necessary than 1 over indulger who spends and splurges and over consumes their weight in there own usefulness to society. The 1% mentality is that “if I make big decisions for a large group of people, I in turn have the right to over indulge in myself and my ego and my consumption for the hard work and decisions I must make everyday”. The 1% mentality is that they have some special right to act and consume the way they do, to hoard and stock away riches and wealth by chance the world comes crashing down around them. When a species exist so intertwiningly with its own ecosystem it experiences its own effect on the ecosystem as a whole. The species can literally see and feel and experience its effect within its own lifetime so it self regulates its own consumption. People don’t act this way, we don’t see the effects of the earth we apply to it and if we do we deny that we had anything to do with the depletion. The chain of cause and effect is so distant from our consciosness that we ignore the very notion that we are the cause and that there is even any kind of effect we place on the earth. Finally we are waking up to the realization that this notion of no cause no effect is a false believe, we are causing destruction to the ecosystem and we are a direct effect to its demise. Finally after all the wars from the ancient times to all the consumption and production of the industrial era we are feeling the byproduct of our addiction to the drug of “power and domination of the earth”. From this time forward the world and the human culture will irreversibly change forever our concept and perception of material consumption and production. Just like people today throw the word nazi around for immoral, inhuman, murderous destructive “evil people” we will be throwing around the word 1%er as people who are over consumers, ignorant, corporate greedy “evil people” who murder the earth rather than the people. The term ”evil” is a façade we place on the faces of the people who turn our evolution in the wrong direction, but just as we have seen in the Penn state scandal and what the German people experienced in WWII the people that turn their cheek and forcibly become ignorant to the situation are just as guilt as the perpetrators themselves. Today the world sits back and watches it happen we are all guilty of allowing and buying into the destruction of the earth, the notion that we will probably die before we see any kind of residual effect of the mass consumption of oil in our lifetime allows us to not care and be greedy ourselves and indulge in the raping of the ecosystems. So what next how do we change? We make that very idea of over consumption in any way a taboo, we apply tremendous pressure socially to install guilt for the action of over consumption that will resonate for centuries and millennia to come. Whether we apply that social pressure in the streets or over the dinner table in our own homes we must create over consumption a social taboo. 50 years from now we pray that when we see someone with 10 cars and 5 houses we see that as a taboo of greed. Hopefully we will as a species apply this guilt onto ourselves just as the insect does who wants to preserve its ecosystem by regulating its consumption within the ecosystem so that its children’s children can prosper and so that its species can persist and enjoy the ecosystem it once new just the same.

Really?

'They cannot be bothered to suppress films like Thrive, like What on Earth, like Moon Rising, magazines like Infinite Energy,' Charles, the editor of Infinite Energy was murdered! This is even mentioned in Thrive! http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue56/memorial.html www.markheley.com

Why assume...

A computer scientist put it this way: how do we regard an ant crawling across our arm? A majority of people would kill it without a second thought, regarding the ant’s particular fate as entirely meaningless.

Why assume...

...that a super-intelligence would be as stupid as a majority of people?

the XKCD money chart

What kind of abundance would we have if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on wars, guns, non-recyclable packaging, sprawling suburbs, automobile culture, consumer junk, transcontinental food, unnecessary pharmaceuticals, and every other form of waste that contributes nothing to human happiness?

Actually -- there's a very interesting way of looking at this question quantitatively.

See: the XKCD money chart.  You can actually look at the federal budget, and all its parts, in comparison to the amount of money required to give everybody a middle class budget, and such.

What is occluded are the invisible benefits -- For example, if people are doing work they love, if people are not alienated, etc., etc., and the efficiencies that come with those conditions.

But it's a nice comparison point.

Thermodynamics

the laws of thermodynamics apply to closed systems. Long live all incarnations of lord Tesla!

quesions

Charles, I know where you are going with this response to Thrive; the enemy is within. But that does not obfuscate the need to examine behaviour. You’re response to Thrive made me think of the documentary Century of the Self. The US military fabricated the crisis when they said, “The North Vietnamese communists attacked our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin!”. They did that to cloak their secret intention… to deceive. Anyone in a position to deceive is seeking control and power, regardless of being part of the 0.01%. But at the level of the US military, one has to wonder what kind of humanity is at stake when one controls so much institution. And I agree, how to we want to change the system so that corruption is not an option. We need help from precisely those large organizations that have taken advantage of the system. But it begs the question, should it be the institutions that got us into this mess who also get us out of this mess? I don’t know if you’ll get to the essence of our own primal flaw. As an interviewer in the documentary Surviving Progress says, “the human brain has not had a major upgrade in 50,000 years yet we operate rapidly advancing technology with that same primitive brain.” (or something along those lines.) Free energy is a dream like UFOs coming to save us is a dream. It’s a hopeful message to push people towards the proper fork in the road. Humanity can now go either way – descend into oblivion, or evolve. And I like the fact that you focus on the stuff to evolve to rather than dwell on the oblivion. I do think it’s something we should manifest and take time to visualize. We need to visualize utopia all the time, and remind ourselves again and again of that direction because humans so easily forget and lose hold of our vision. The future requires energy, lots of it, because if we’re going to let Mother Earth clean up the environment for us, or if we are going to help in any way, we need either to stand back and let her do her magic, or help in every way we can. That means conserving energy as much as possible. That is also a notion of love. Sacred geometry is the key to the unquestioning efficiency of nature, and conserving on energy use as an individual human being is an expression of love; love for the other organisms and living beings that too require energy to live and thrive. The key to our future is in energy. It tells us exactly where we are in the universe – it is the map that gives us the limitations we work within. The money instability is specifically because we are using money in an infinite manner. The resources of the Earth are limited, even as we want to impress upon people that abundance is possible. Abundance is only possible when we know the limits of the natural world. I believe that the system must be changed to reflect energy as our means of expression, communion, exchange, tabulation, calculation, and how we keep track of everything. Money means nothing in comparison. Trust is also more valuable than gold. So cultivating trust and love is essential – how do you do that when those you love would not bother to communicate with you? How do you communicate that love to the 0.01%. How do you keep people’s egos from exploding once they get to be part of any 1%? How do you humble people to reflect compassion when they have all the power they could possibly want?

Westerners always speak of

Westerners always speak of "vibration". Vibration is sometimes useful, but it's not the main thing. The principle Dzogchen teaching is: open your eyes, open your senses, observe, uncover your condition, and your limitations. That way you can know your real condition. - Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Money, because it's infinite, does not tell you your real condition. Energy, because it is primarily limited, tells you all.

free energy

I couldn't agree with you more

I couldn't agree with you more. The solution lies within not without. If we would all become aware of the self then intelligence would take action naturally.

It'll take a little evolution

Thank you, Charles. I agree that you've got a lot of good things to say. Along these lines, I've always liked this quote from Bede Griffiths:

"Our present world is conditioned by our present mode of consciousness; only when that consciousness passes from its present dualistic mode...will the new creation appear, which is the external reality of which our world is a mirror."

There's been many prescient things like this said, and we know these changes are happening, in fact, they have to happen – it's evolution. But didn't Cro-Magnon man overlap neanderthals, and most likely struggle mightily with it for quite a while before the changes took hold? Welp, that's probably like us now.

Evolution is a rather lengthy proposition, and on any geological scale, the generations that'll experience this expansion of consciousness may not amount to a hill of beans in this crazy, mixed-up world. We'll very likely all be dead and long gone before the neanderthals give it up, and that's as it should be. It's fine in fact – life is death, and death is life, so the only real opportunity we have to contribute to the change is by living differently than they do.

...Although it would be nice to be there for it, wouldn't it? Maybe we will be.

Wow, Charles! When is your eBook coming out?

Love your writing style and the content is right on point. I so agree. I remember reading an article where a member of the Bilderburg group (http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.php ), the people who supposedly rule the world, made a telling statement. He said something like, 'if we're ruling the world, we're doing a crap job alright.'

I was just looking at a photo of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet sitting together. Total nerds. Probably nice guys. All the powerful people I have met are not willfully evil. They are ignorant to certain sides of life that they just haven't lived. Or perhaps you're right when you say that their positions and peers won't let them see. Really, I loved your piece. I want to audit your next class!

Found it

Found your book! Thanks again....

Shadow

“The best political, social, and spiritual work we can do is to withdraw the projection of our shadow onto others.” ― C.G. Jung I think the aspect that many of these kinds of films miss is that we, each one of us, need to deal with our own psychological shadow on a micro basis. Otherwise even a perfect utopian structure will cave in to the lowest common denominator of its population. The book "Animal Farm" shows us this. Consciousness is changed as we work through our own "stuff."

Clarity

Charles, Fear of the elite who control us is the shadow of our messianic desire. Unlimited free energy is an extension of the messiah complex. The desire to eliminate an Elite who enslave us is our desire to control, which is an illusion, which will only turn us into the very thing we despise. The desire to control is ego inflation, or equally corrupting, spiritual inflation. Your work on economics is elucidating that midway point between Capitalism and Socialism, or the balance between self-interest and service to the whole. Rather than a system of control, the gift economy is a way of being, that must be drawn from the core of oneself, in service to the whole. Thanks for the help with that. I am deeply grateful. www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

To Charles Frith & Other Open RS Folk

Charles Frith, hello brother. I've seen your blog and was very impressed. You are not alone in your modes of thought. I'm a rather nascent contributor. I recently submitted a piece to my editor here at RS, attempting to give other insights into the NWO (& various nefarious streams). Out of sheer exploration and the journalistic integrity of presenting both sides, I really hope they run it. It is not disputatious, simply an attempt at presenting some of the facts I believe you're inferring in your comment here. We should collaborate. Here is the treatise (Part I of IV that I would like to write) on Evolver. I should preface that, although this piece seeks to unveil deceivers, it is not meant to vindicate ourselves of culpability in allowing this monster to metastasize into its current enigma. We are no victims in these matters.....We all must face our own Ahrimanic Double, complacency, and other vices and sloth, as well as ferret out the malignities that have been running the show for far too long now. Yes, I do agree that this evil could not have seized such power without our overall complacency and lust for aggrandizement. Here it is: http://www.evolver.net/user/jay_van_liere/blog/streams_deceit_another_lo... Peace and love all! Jay Van Liere

A movie about free energy should be called "Get Thrived"

Great article on "Thrive", Charles. I couldn't bring myself to sit through the movie after watching the trailer, to be honest. I'm sure there was bits of signal within the movie but it seemed like it was not worth sitting through all the noise of the film -- as I felt all that noise coming through the trailer in an icky, sticky way.

 

It seems that "free energy" is only free when there is an even exchange, from the consciousness of the human being to the consciousness of this mother planet. Perhaps it is none other than Gaia herself who is waiting for the collective heart of human beings to give back to the earth in equal measure before free energy is a way of life for all. The energy within is freed-up when I walk in the proper amount of simple grief and gratitude and praise, with each step -- and then, as I do this, I notice how the energy without has a corresponding movement. It is then that it feels like life freely shows life how free energy moves and dances and plays.

The method that works for me, to know more about how to free energy (to live it now), is the Hawaiian art of Ho'oponopono, as taught buy Ihaleakala Hew Len.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL972JihAmg

It seems to be a good way to learn how to know when I'm blocking free energy from being present within myself, by more actively participating in (and paying attention to) my own inner life -- and taking inner-action.

Thrive review

I see a number of absolute statements about what is real,what is truth,with no supporting factual data, which suggests that they are statements of belief rather than fact. I would find it more useful,and I believe the writer would understand his own ideas more clearly if beliefs were identified as such. I recomend the rules of General Semantics ,and Robert Anton Wilson's discussion of Eprime for further insight. As for the notion of a few evil people at the top, I think that this is the shadowdance of the collective unconscious.

The danger of the film and the challenge to all of us

Suzanne Taylor http://www.CropCircleMovie.com With the venality the film ascribes to a powerful elite who are attempting to create a New World Order in a conspiracy that wants to eliminate a majority of the population and destroy the solvency of the United States as they head us for a one world military dictatorship, it is of some concern that this movie has captivated so many in the New Age. My inbox is full of emails saying it’s a vitally important film to see. These are people who already know the system doesn’t work, so it’s for the analysis and not the fact of the unworkability that they are so attracted to he movie. Read Charles’s "Synchronicity, Myth, and the New World Order" to see the danger in attaching oneself to raging at conspiracies.

But I want to take issue with the comments here that point to there being a pie in the sky mentality about Charles’s advocacy of a fundamental change in our consciousness and our worldview. Regardless of Charles not speaking to how to bring that about and the writers not seeing how it could come to pass, it is what we need. I think that’s a worthy topic for all of us to delve into.

Love and Gratitude

What I love most about this site is how each topic gets bombarded from every angle. Through all these differing points of perception I'm granted a chance to actually step back and realize when I am allowing myself to be led down a particular path, without consideration for where exactly we're headed, or what other factors may be in play. I shudder to think of how much of the information in my life was fed to me without all of you guys chiming in to illuminate the gray areas. I gain as much or more from the following discussion as from the preceding article. I want to give love and thanks to all of you for taking the time and energy to formulate comments with relevance and insight. With all of us together, I see no way we can go wrong... not for long at least, since there will always be another poster to set us straight.

spiritual fortitude

Charles, I was reminded of your review of Thrive when I watched this: http://www.sprword.com/videos/ipsychopath/ This is both an amazing and hard documentary to watch. I was struck with one very important line, that I can't remember verbatim, but goes something like this: "You can't trust the innate goodness of human nature" - said by Dr. Hare. It's a conclusion that contradicts what you are saying to some degree; but perhaps it helped me understand your position. We need solid spiritual fortitude to change the world. It is a service that the subject of this documentary is providing to people - even though the subject of this documentary is such an aggressive bully he's giving us the tools to be able to confront and resist the psychopath. The way I see this too is that it must be used to understand how the psychopaths that rise to the top and impose great harm on the world by running corporations like Monsanto and Exxon and Kinder Morgan, etc. There was a session this past weekend at Vancouver Change Camp that I thought was very appropriate - how do we convince those destroying the planet, our opposition, to renegotiate their psychopathic tendencies. In this documentary, research says that the treatment of a psychopath results in exactly the opposite - more sinister psychopathic tendencies. The psychopaths are taking humanity down the tubes with corporatization, commodification of everything, and the destructions of the life force on this planet. We really need to have solid spiritual fortitude to resist what the corporations are doing.

the thrive thread

Young Person: You three wise men seem to understand that a shift must be made. How will it happen?

 

Wise Man 1: We will make the shift easily. It is our destiny. We create our reality with our intentions. I don't care what anyone else says because I've found The Secret and they clearly have not.

 

Wise Man 2: We can make the shift, but I'm absolutely convinced and ego-invested in the idea that we won't make the shift without massive violence, death and destruction - and lots of projected violence towards others. Child, you must understand that I have the right answers. There is so much evil in the world, child, and I am the one who sees it. I would make a great post-shift dictator! I am irritated and insecure when others fail to see reality and define it like I do. I find this upcoming shift incredibly frightening, and seem to value (fear for) my life greatly, but don't admit it in my dozen posts. I project (promote) my insecurities by posting reactively and repetitively under someone else's work.

 

Wise Man 3: We can do it, and I don't know how it will happen, but I'm devoting myself to studying and promoting a system that could work. I also understand that perhaps I don't know anything absolutely - though I've explored many angles. So - accepting this on a deep level - I'll advocate for what I want, based on what I seem to have learned and experienced. I am flexible and could see it either way, though I am firm about my commitment to humility and realistic optimism. Call me naive, but I warn against projecting hatred and ideas of separation out into the universe consciously or unconsciously.

Excellent comment, thank you!

I find that I sleep better if I align myself with wise man #3  :)

What's *wrong* with "and"?

Charles,

I agree with pretty much all you have to say about the importance of values needing to be reflective of a certain level of consciousness in order for a higher quality of life to be experienced by the 100%. And, I don't think that it has to come at the expense of the many valid points made by Foster Gamble in THRIVE, or the numerous legitimate grievances by the #OWS/99%. I feel fortunate that JosephKitaj got here before I did; he saved me a lot of time in critiquing your critique. [Thanks, JosephKitaj!]

In reading your post, I'm reminded of the fable of the seven blind men and the elephant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant). I think you could have contributed just as powerful of a posting if you had taken the attitude of "and" while proceeding to make your points. You did not convince me that THRIVE missed the mark on anything. Rather, you exposed where you're not knowlegable in the areas where Foster and others are.

I'd also like to draw attention to where you wrote: "Despite this criticism, I would say that Thrive gets the story wrong but the spirit right. The dominator model is not an evil to overcome, but rather an evolutionary stage that has reached its fulfillment and is giving way to something new."

In my study of Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/zeitgeist-moving-inward), the words "wrong" and "right" are keystones in the language of the dominator model. Yet, here you are using this very language of domination to invalidate Foster's perspective. You've not convinced me of your authority to say Foster is wrong and you are right. How would you say what you had to say without falling back into dominator language? For me, the word "and" becomes very useful and liberating in this situation. I feel blessed there are so many of us who are looking at the issues facing us at this time from so many different perspectives.

All this said, I also want to share that I have a deep appreciation for the voice you're emerging as in these conversations. In many ways, you had me at "hello". :) ...I'd like to see more bridge-building between the likes of you, Foster Gamble, Peter Joseph, etc. and less arguably contrived differentiation.

Keep up the great work!
--
Manny Otto
www.MythosForCreatives.com
www.DivineArtsMedia.com

P.S. A final note on technology: I submit for your consideration that slavery would not have been abolished if it were not for the invention of the cotton gin. I don't believe the economy of the South would have been able to allow it. And I don't believe the "moral superiority" of the North or the fact that they won the Civil War carried near the weight of the fact that the South could continue without slavery due to the invention of the cotton gin. Relatively soon, AI combined with robotics will make human labor obsolete and thus a system that depends upon most people trading their labor for money. What to do then?

Hard right rudder!

I'm thinking the Titanic will prove to have been the relevant (prophetic) metaphor of our times -

 

Hey - Joseph

Joseph - i was just reading backwards through some of this discussion and came across a post by Daniel Pinchbeck on the previous page of comments. He says he wants you to write for Reality Sandwich. just in case you missed that. yes, the forums can be difficult, but this is maybe the prime place on the web to promote and discuss these kinds of important ideas. so please don't give up on posting here. (and though there may be just a handful of people posting, there may be thousands of people reading this thread and it is here on the web forever)

someone told me about this film and I have ordered the DVD. I look forward to seeing it. and I was very pleased to find this article and discussion about the film. this all seems to get to the heart of what we need to be figuring out, which I'm sure is why Pinchbeck would like to see more of your writing. so I hope you will consider his offer....

I think documentaries are a VERY powerful way to change the world. I maintain a list of docus here:

http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/docufilm.htm

thanks for the article Charles, and thanks to all posters, and to everyone that keeps this place going.

Joseph Kitaj

Yo! Enjoyed your posts. Hope you don't disappear forever. Please continue to hold forth. Your point of view needs airing here, badly. But try to stay calm, and not over-react to the clueless, and the occasional idiot.

Thank you to all for

Thank you to all for enriching this discussion. I feel it is important to deeply question and critique all points of view (including our own), especially in a manner of respect… as many here have demonstrated.

 

However I feel that some comments are disregarding the essential message of this piece. Though I am sympathetic to many opinions here, from that of a cautionary approach to new age utopianism to a genuine concern about what to do with the despotic power elite, however these concerns do not apply to the essential point- the view that a solely outward attack on the so called evil hierarchy manipulating our power institutions will create any lasting change. This suggests that the conditions of scarcity, control, and domination will recreate themselves if as a society we do not recognize that it is the shadow projection of our own collective psyche. In this regard the process of transformation must include an inner spiritualization of each individual, coinciding with an outward revolution. This does not deny the existence of the power elite nor argue that they are not extremely powerful. This means that any transition will not emerge without birth pangs.

 

Society must go through its own dark night of the (collective) soul in order to emerge a butterfly, and this is the same for each individual. This is no utopian new age fantasy- this is putting on the gloves and getting down and dirty with all the baggage accumulated, in all likelihood over many lifetimes. This is going to the root of the human condition. The dark night of the soul is in most cases not one specific night, but may be an ongoing experience of the world around crumbling. This can be the destruction of false beliefs, the confronting of past transgressions, and/ or coming to terms with Reality as it is, not as "i" think it should be.

 

I do not believe that this emergence from the dark night is guaranteed to all. Perhaps many will give up or regress in the face of 'seeming' insurmountable obstacles. A tree with shallow roots will not be able to withstand a storm and the dark night can come at any moment. How exactly we anchor ourselves to something transcendent of our situation is a whole other topic that Charles does not delve into; and forgivably so. There are many paths to the mountain peak, choose or better yet blaze your own.

The value of Thrive as food for thought

I was a consultant for THRIVE to get the crop circle info right, and, given my concerns about this film, which is being cheered by many of my New Age correspondents, I've been posting about it and about Charles. See the top two posts: http://TheConversation.org, where I bow to the value of these conversations that Charles's writing has elicited in these dangerous times when we need all the smarts that all of us can come up with.

Suzanne Taylor http://www.CropCircleMovie.com

All sounds the same, but when will it stop

Well, it was a very interesting read. I've watched thrive, i found it very informative. And there are some bits in there I could say I don't agree with.. But everyone is saying similar things whether it be negative or positive about it.. Personally I don't think the story is wrong, and I don't understand why people don't think its substantiated enough. How much or what "evidence or facts" do u want?? The fact is, like the doc said, they have a lock down/control on a lot of things in our lives.. So yes there is a major control and yes there is a chance for us to have clean energy.. It's not about whether we need technology, but this could help the world, so why wouldn't people want that? But at the same time, I also know that every single person needs to make a change within themselves! The past 5 months I have become more consciously aware within my self and now life is great.. Even though this stuff is real, I don't allow it to affect me on the inside and thats what I love.. Life is great and there is so many things about it that make it great.. If we all woke up and realise we had a choice and stop letting our ego make our decisions. I can't see many people doing so called bad things, because at the end of the day if you had a choice, would you choose to be negative? I don't :)

A simple shift in consciousness from I to WE

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Here and now

Excellent discussion.Whether I wake up tomorrow in a new age utopia of evolved consciousness, or a jail cell for having posted on this "radical" web site, either way, if I identify with what is changing and relative ("stuff happening") and say, I am this body, these beliefs. these sensations, then I'll still becaught up in confusion.Sometimes I think the whole evolution of mankind i.e. in 2012 depends totally on me, if I get established in freedom and clarity, then so will the world, and if not, then not.Imean what difference will it make what reality is, if I am in love with it? And if I'm not in love with it, do Ijust not make Hell out of Heaven anyway?So theabsolute position is to be free in this moment without relating one atom to past or future.OK, that's all fornow, gotta go!; )

it all comes down to belief

If we are thinking, this shouldn't be happening, and it is happening, then we are struggling with reality and creating suffering for ourselves. Wheer it is raining, or I have cancer, or a NWO is being established, it's the same principle, isn't it? We can act compassionately and evencourageously without coming from a place inner resistance.The first belief appears to be, I'm separate, then, these solid-looking things really are solid, then, life is this way and shouldn't be that way and so on.If I see another's suffering and think, how pathetic, is thatcompassion or am I just projecting my inner resistance onto that person? Isn't therre a subtle judgment in that?I say this just as a caution, e.g., how can we transcend hierarchy if we still carry a hierarchy of concepts internally, this experience is good, thatexperience is better, that experience sucks, and so on? I am stillcaughtin this conditioned thinking; there may be a shift in consciousness happening, but I personally may not be evolved enough to carry the frequency, because I'm stillgiving too much credence to unsubtantiated thoughts.

I agree with you entirely,

I agree with you entirely, but I suggest that to attempt to create a consciousness revolution in the mass population by naming it as such will get you nowhere. It will be labelled hippy, new age, vague and unrealistic.  To really get to people we have to speak to them in simple and logical terms.

Why are our systems flawed? Because they are hierarchies. What shape are these hierarchies? Pyramids. Why is a pyramid the wrong shape? Because it suggests one person can be placed above or below another in terms of power, wealth or social position. This contradicts the natural and logical systems theory that all participating elements of a system are equally involved in its processes. What other shape could replace the pyramid? A flat circle - the only true way to achieve real democracy is to eliminate representation, leaders and other false "democratic" ideas and allow all to participate voluntarily in the systems that effect them.

Extremely Naive

I can hardly comment .... the writing is so gobbled and terms and ideas have been mistranslated and assigned definitions that do not make sense... This is gobbildy gook... read The Money Masters... read Jekyll Island... the system you deride and call forward to change is and was created by these folks... WAKE UP I am frankly astonished at the immaturity and poorly written statements here... This entire post is off base... uneducated naieve and poorly written... I thought to spend hours of my time providing an education - and then realized... no use wasting time with young egoic polemic tyrants using controversy as a method of self agrandizement... shame on you little boy shame on you...

Great article!

This is clarity of thought -- and well expressed. Thanks for an excellent article. The pitfalls of humanity are intrinsic to our current social structure, which is a reflection of what is often referred to as consciousness. I, too, have done my share of investigating into various secret societies in an attempt to answer questions about how current society came to be. I think I'm in agreement with you, Charles, when I say that regardless of the dynamics of power amongst the most powerful organizations -- whether they are what we consider to be occult, mainstream, or some unknown blend of the two -- society is not at a point where it is controlled completely. There are certainly signs of hope. At this point, however, I feel equal parts optimist and pessimist. As our technological ability increases, its impact on society will increase as well, having greater potential to be a tool for both liberation as well as domination. It is imperative to understand that the technological changes in the relatively near future will be guided by the scaffold of our society. I agree that simply ousting whoever we consider to be part of the controlling force is insufficient and ultimately not the answer.  New people will fill old roles within oppresive organizations and on top of that, new oppressive organizations, themselves, will form. To have a society with maximum freedom will require a change in all human beings which will then reflect itself in the structure of society. Thanks again for your nuanced view. I will make sure to check out more of your writings.

I disagree with you Charles

I find your argument very biased and predicated on the fact that you know the correct way for a so-called sacred economy to function. I am fundamentally opposed to this presupposition and think we we, as citizens of the universe, should have the freedom to organize economies in any way that we want, without the help of the state. Equality of monetary distribution is impossible since different people have different motivations, strengths, weaknesses etc. The only true equality we need is equal opportunity. Your "wise man" approach to instituting a sacred economy falls short of recognizing the basis for voluntary choice. Not all people believe in making everything free and gifting everything... You have the right to live in communities where that exists but there is no just way to impose that on other alternative economic models that are popping up, based on SOUND money.

Maybe if you watched the movie again...

... and paid better attention you'd see that your critique is quiet presumptuous and naive. I was not 100% approving of this movie either but your attacking all the wrong points as far as I can see. One will never make a successful and holistic diagnosis of any malady without confronting the pathogens or pernicious influences. This is the worst kind of wishful thinking and intellectual cowardice, it serves no one and allows the pernicious influence to dig its self in deeper. Your unfounded and poorly researched attacks do not bring anything useful to the conversation. As was pointed out astutely by Mark Heley. ****"Really? Submitted by Mark Heley on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 15:08. 'They cannot be bothered to suppress films like Thrive, like What on Earth, like Moon Rising, magazines like Infinite Energy,' Charles, the editor of Infinite Energy was murdered! This is even mentioned in Thrive! http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue56/memorial.html www.markheley.com "*********** My main problem with the movie "Thrive" is that the first part of the movie, the part they called "the code", could have been its own movie. The real medicine for humanity is right there in that code. It really deserves and needs to be given the proper time to teach these concepts with all the depth and complexity necessary. This movie could have been a three part series. My point is if your going to critique someone's film at least watch it closely and do your own research and homework so you're able to make valuable and constructive criticism. Mr Eisenstein, I agree with your statement that a shift of consciousness is what we need. Although I can't see how anyone can become "an integral part that contains the whole" by data filtering and avoidance of the hard truths that face us all.

The Koch Brothers !

... how come no one mentions the Koch Brothers, among the wealthiest ...

" Follow your Bliss "

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Debunking & Deconstructing THRIVE

You all might be interested in a blog devoted to debunking all the nonsense in the THRIVE movie. http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/ Also, Georgia Kelly of the Praxis Peace Institute has just published a 55 page pamphlet deconstructing the libertarian political agenda of THRIVE http://www.praxispeace.org/pdf/DL_020612.pdf

Mr. Eisenstein

You are masturbating your intellect and unaware of your unconscious fear. This is evident in everything you write. Please stop writing and work on getting in touch with how you feel. Perhaps then you may write something truly beautiful and inspiring instead of continually taking us all for a ride through your overly developed pre-frontal cortex.

Implosion of THRIVE?

Author John Robbins, Other Progressives Denounce ‘Thrive’

The Santa Cruz–based author is joined by Deepak Chopra and others in a statement distancing themselves from the film.

http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progr...

from John Robbins:

“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film. Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed.

We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.

We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.

Signatories (in alphabetical order)

Deepak Chopra

Duane Elgin

Amy Goodman

Paul Hawken

Edgar Mitchell

John Perkins

John Robbins

Elisabet Sahtouris

Vandana Shiva