This is a quote from Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut and sixth man on the moon:

"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out."

Shock number one will be that the 'UFO' phenomenon is real. Shock number two will be that they aren't really 'aliens' after all.

Very curious such a statement would come from Buzz, who has been a stone cold denier of alien intelligence.

Did a web search to see what else is out there on this. Here is an image, quite stunning actually.

I normally run from the Richard Hogland crowd, but this is definitely interesting for sure. It holds both angles and symmetry

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread485504/pg1

Keep an eye on http://www.projectcamelot.org/ They say that they have some very interesting disclosure info about Mars and secret technology. One of the people involved 'Henry Deacon' claims to have been on Mars as part of the secret space program.

 

"Only the puny secrets need protecting. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity."

Marshall McLuhan

 

A link to a talk given by Dr. Steven Greer a couple of days ago in Barcelona :

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1874942

Please click the link below to view it.

http://evolutionaryastrology.podOmatic.com/entry/2009-07-21T13_03_20-07_... "Will the transformation."-Rilke

Look carefully at the shadows of rocks on the surface, and compare with shadow of "monolith". Looks like different angles to me. Remember, Mulder "wanted to believe". I want to Know. JED

The goal- I believe- after people and governments realize that aliens are real- is to ally with the Galactic Federation in order to fight the Orion Empire which supports the New World Order.

ALLY PERSONALLY AND COLLECTIVELY WITH THE GALACTIC FEDERATION TO REWIRE GLOBAL POLITICS.

Ovarian Out, Joan of Art

www.metatech.org/Art_Bell_Area_51_aliens_audio_tape.html

Freaks me out without fail.

thanks for posting the links to the exopolitic conference. It made for an interesting rainy Sunday in the studio. It appears that the ETs have chosen ancient stomping grounds in the English countryside to stage communications with those of us who are paying attention. The French and the Brits have released all(?) of their UFO files and with this conference in Spain it seems likely that Disclosure will happen in Europe first, unless Obama can expose and disband Majestic without getting asassinated.

I don't know what to think of this...

"An ancestral race of bird beings that came from the stars to become the Egyptians...?"

http://www.themetaarts.com/2008march/hankwesselman.html

 

"The SACRED (whatever that means) is surely related (somehow) to the BEAUTIFUL (whatever that means)..."
Gregory Bateson

 

In 1997 after the X-files show ended my sister said -- hey there's those lights I've seen in Taos and north of here (the St. Croix river valley between Minnesota and Wisconsin). We both went outside and she got bored but I watched these lights -- each a different color -- doing impossible maneuvers on the horizon: Not headlights, not helicopter, not a tower light, not a plane. Suddenly I see a craft headed towards me from the lights -- from the horizon. Slowly this larger equilateral triangle (no fuselage -- "flat") -- buzzed out from the forest beyond my neighbors. It was a couple "blocks" away and slowly headed right towards our yard. It went right over the hill on the north side and then right over the tree on the north side. It was bigger than the crown of this huge old oak tree but so close and so slow I could have hit it with a rock.

 

I didn't dare take my eyes off this big black equilateral "flat" triangle (no fuselage) -- it was making a humming electrical motor noise. I didn't want any "missing time" or abduction experience.  Slowly it continued over our garage and off into the valley -- this was the summer of 1997, just after dark.  There were lights on each corner of the triangle -- similar to the lights I had seen on the horizon:  green, red, white.  Since I had no witnesses I thought I can't do anything with this but I knew it was MILITARY.

 

My mom ran the local legal newspaper and one of the news journalists brought me her three-ring binder of local articles from the 1970s: A UFO flap had occurred -- multiple sightings with photos on the papers. Strange orbs -- and even a cattle mutilation spree that scared one rancher off his land. The local journalist then said that this was a "military flight test corridor." Then after the internet took off I was reading rense.com and discovered the SAME sighting - equilateral black triangle -- no fuselage -- slow, humming noise -- low flight. I was amazed -- it was exactly the same sighting.

 

So then I did research. Turns out this big black triangle was clocked doing 1800 mph by the U.N. in Belgium. Also the big black triangle was featured in an X files show (which I never saw). Nick Redfern documents a big black triangle sighting soon after WWII!! http://ufomystic.com is his blog with Greg Bishop. Both have published books detailed military disinformation to promote the "alien agenda."

 

Meanwhile the public is bombarded with the "alien agenda" disinformation. When one top UFO researcher was on coasttocoast recently I emailed him and he said his next book would detail how the big black triangles are indeed a new secret military craft. There's been lots of speculation about how these craft use "antigravity" technology. Paul LaViolette has a new book on the subject which I haven't read yet. The big black triangles are REAL and spooky to be sure -- "flat" -- no fuselage. Silent slow yet can take off to superfast speed. MN MUFON documented several similar sightings in my area in the same time period (late 1990s) and one (Hastings) also had the same superfast acceleration like those clocked in Belgium.

According to (state owned?) Russia Today:

 

http://tiny.cc/wIimG

1. On July 19, our e.t. friends drew an easy-to-understand picture at Liddington Castle, that correctly predicted a bright aurora during the solar eclipse of July 22, 2009 three days later: see www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/badbury/articles.html or www.earthfiles.com.

2. On July 22, they drew a clear and explicit symbol for hyper-dimensional physics as discussed by Nassim Haramein: see www.cropcircleconnector.com/2009/Woodborough/comments.html.

3. Andrew Pyrka has just obtained distant but convincing photographs of several e.t. visitors on the ground at the Starfish or Tzolkin Lunar Calendar: see www.cropcirclewisdom.com/martinsellufo/martinsellufo.html or www.cropcirclewisdom.com/ogdgallops/ogdgallops.html.

Okay, guys, get with it!

RC will be in Compton Bassett from August 3 to 14.

"The past is prelude"

http://www.organelle.org/organelle/sadasah.html

 

 

"The SACRED (whatever that means) is surely related (somehow) to the BEAUTIFUL (whatever that means)..."
Gregory Bateson

 

I came across this article linked from dailygrail.com.

 http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-Intelligence-Examiner~y2009m7d28-Astronauts-admirals-generals-discuss-UFO-coverup

I liked this quote - 'This raises serious questions. If these respected government officials are lying, why? What purpose would it serve to open themselves to ridicule with UFO claims? If it is a conspiracy to get us to believe in UFOs, what's the purpose of that? And if they are deluded, we may have a serious mass delusion spreading in government that needs to be addressed.'

I find the whole UFO/alien phenomenon fascinating for the way it challenges our basic assumptions about reality and tests our BS detectors.  Whatever is going on it is not what it seems.  I agree with Terence Mckenna that "they" have disguised themselves as an alien invasion so as not to alarm us about what is really going on. I think the truth is stranger than we can suppose.

Mckenna on UFOs

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3163231789026536985&ei=7f5ySu_2IY7UrQKpgKX6Dg&q=mckenna+ufo

Sorry, but all that conspiratorial name-dropping that he does...watching him, my Bullshit Detector went off so loud I couldnt ignore it.

 

  The *free-energy* field is full of the oh-so-convenient  - "we had proof but the Secret Gov took it" and "we had wealthy backers all lined up but they backed out" -  excuses.  Sorry, but something just doesnt feel right   

I too had some doubts listening to Dr. Greer, who claims to make direct contact with ETs at will, and conducts contact training sessions for a fee. As the founder and force behind http://www.CSETI.org. he was promoting his upcoming conference in Arizona in October where

"Dispositive proof of contact with interstellar civilizations will be presented, including updates on recent major CSETI contact events along with supporting electromagnetic, audio, and video confirmation...Dr. Greer will also be presenting the latest updates on Disclosure and ongoing briefings with members of Congress, those close to the Obama Administration, and recent initiatives with a G7 country to make peaceful, open contact with the extraterrestrial visitors."

However, after listening to the other speakers (Bassett, Robert Dean and Michael Salla) the compiled evidence is compelling. It is very likely that the large triangular crafts are human military, but that doesn't mean they weren't reversed engineered from captured alien craft. As appears to be the case in the crop circle phenomena, there are both human made creations, and others that well exceed the abilities of our species.

  They are *working* with Wingmakers?! - this was considered to be an Internet fraud and hoax years ago, along with the Montauk Project (which was based upon another fraud - The Philadelphia Experiment,see Vallee) which is also mentioned on their site.

Montauk, along with other *time-travel* narratives like Incunabula and Ong's Hat were long ago regarded as hoaxes - I remember *meeting* Alexandra “Chica” Bruce online - who was involved in these stories and wrote one of the Montauk books - and warning her to get away from these people after I had an online exchange with *Peter Moon*, co-author of the Montauk Project books (before I realized that she couldnt 'cause she needed the money). To then see that they take David Icke at face value (there is overlap here: Stewart Swerdlow, another Montauk Project author, and Chica, jumped on the Reptilian bandwagon and merged it with the Montauk Project story) - is rather disconcerting. Underground alien bases, (in Dulce) time travel, Mars, Aleister Crowley, mind control, the Illuminati and Montauk and etc., ALL of this stuff was floating around the Internet 10 years ago, perpetrated for profit by a very questionable cast of characters: Al Bielek, *Peter Moon* aka Vince Barbarick (who heads Sky Books, the company that puts out the Montauk books, and who is ex-Scientology), Preston Nichols, Swerdlow. Come to think of it, I don’t think the whole Majestic-12 stuff has a lot of credibility, or, some of the people mentioned by Brian O’Leary, like Tom Beardon, Randall Hill and Hutchison. As to why these things are perpetrated is open to question but money, psychological delusion and disinformation come to mind. For background on the Philadelphia Experiment, see Vallee’s “Anatomy of a Hoax”: http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_08_1_vallee.pdf On Majestic and the infamous Bill Moore: http://obscurantist.com/oma/moore-william/ http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg31147.html http://www.philipcoppens.com/bennewitz.html For further background on UFO’s and Grand Conspiracy Theories, see the mysterious Val Valerian (co-author of the Matrix series) aka John Grace. This whole field is riddled with questionable characters: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message315486/pg1 Here is a link to Bruce’s book on Amazon - I wrote the review under the pseudonym “Illuminati” http://www.amazon.com/Philadelphia-Experiment-Murder-Parallel-Universes/... Something on Greer http://www.ufowatchdog.com/greer_seti.html See UFO Hall of Shame. Now I dont know for sure what is going on, but I used to watch this field in the late 90's, and there is a lot of crap and disinfo mixed in with valid info.

I like that the UFO phenomenon is getting more attention. But the use of the word exopolitics has me a little concerned. As does the use of the word extra-terrestrial.

 

'Exo', meaning 'outer' and extra-terrestrial imply that the UFO phenomenon can be explained by the ETH, the 'extra-terrestrial hypothesis'. It can't. Not in so far as 'extra-terrestrials' is meant as biological races that evolved on other planets, developed civilization and  interstellar travel, and found us here on Earth or seeded us here.

 

The whole 'extra-terrestrial from another planet' thing is a modern mythology that evolved around root phenomena. The UFO phenomenon isn't 'outer'...isn't 'out there' because psychic phenomena isn't 'out there'.

 

The UFO phenomenon is a manifestation of our collective unconscious psychic ability. Just as the old Fairy phenomenon was. Same thing, different age.

 

There IS no 'outer', the subject/object distinction is an illusion. MAYA. All the gods, aliens, angels, demons, heavens and hells are inside of us. They are magnified and projected psychic dreams, they are manifestations of the collective unconscious in symbolic form. Living myths. So what we need is esopolitics.

 

Here is a great article on UFOs by Dean Radin

 

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Webpages/Shift-EnduringEnigmaOfUFO....

Search this site for "Co-creating the World Soul" (Evolver Launch in Los Angeles if you want my take on Extraordinary Encounters - very influenced by McKenna.

Before Montauk, Icke, Greer, Jim Keith, etc.. here is where much of it started. It reads like a script template for the X-Files.

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/OH_Krill_Document_1988.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE

For whatever it's worth, I'll repeat, what I already have told some times on RS.

I have app. 150 hours direct, personal experience of the anomaleous phenomena, which generally are named 'Fortean'. Including UFOs, complex beings able to perform activities, which are 'impossible' according to present science, and myself as the victim of some rather advanced and unpleasant psi-technologies. I've had extensive communication with these generally hostile beings, but I've never been abducted though.

My experiences have been with me in an ordinary state of awareness, with no drugs or any mind-expanding methods involved. I simply percieved these phenomena precisely, as I would with any 'normal' physical object or organic being. I have been professionally tested for the standard medical reasons as to this being 'hallucinations', I have been declared non-psychotic by psychiatrists (my only mental disorder is separation-panic, which hardly would lead to such experiences as these), and no regression-technique of any kind has been necessary to bring my experiences forth. As far as normal memory allows, I have all details clear and present in my ordinary awareness.

Half a dozen other people have at various times also observed anomalies on my place, where my own experiences happened.

So for me, there's no doubt about the existence of such anomaleous phenomena, but it's not a point, I want to press. It's up to each one to form his/her own opinion, as the whole subject is so filled with misinfo and contradictory evidence as to make it non-intelligible. Albeit I must admit to some surprise of the simplistic, sensational and commercial discussion being conducted generally.

But I would like to support my own credibility a bit (I like to consider myself an honest person), a point which in this context is almost as important as the experiences themselves. First of all I protect my privacy very strongly in this matter; not because I'm afraid of ridicule or something like that, but because I love the peace and isolation of my present life. I wouldn't want that destroyed by a media-cirkus around my person. Also I'm not in any way economically involved in the situation.

And last, but not least, the whole subject is contrary to my real interest: A search for 'reality' (whatever that may be). And while 'aliens', 'others', UFOs etc can add to a general knowledge of cosmic existence, just as any other source of information, there's not much to gain in (what popularly has been called) 'spirituality'. At best it's a blind alley, where the most positive is, that these other complex beings are exposed as just that instead of nurturing religious notions of demons, angels etc. Anomalies are usually not especially spiritual.

My preoccupation with the subject is based on, that it has made rather an invasive impact on my life. An impact I must relate to unless it leads to irreparable consequences for me. And on this note I would like to connect to 'student of Sophia's recent post. I agree with you in almost all your observations, but to treat the situation from a total 'Maya' aspect is only relevant, if you already are in some nirvana-like state. Otherwise there ARE 'outer' consequences to consider (I can refer to the article and comments on 'free will').

Thanks for your interesting post.

You said:

"I have app. 150 hours direct, personal experience of the anomaleous phenomena, which generally are named 'Fortean'. Including UFOs, complex beings able to perform activities, which are 'impossible' according to present science, and myself as the victim of some rather advanced and unpleasant psi-technologies. I've had extensive communication with these generally hostile beings, but I've never been abducted though."

 

I believe you. I've seen many UFOs, alone and with other people, during normal waking states of consciousness with no drugs. The physical manifestation of UFO entities and craft is part of the puzzle. The physical manifestation of objects such as "implants" in the body can be traced all the way back to early shamanism, and Carl Jung found the physical manifestation of unconscious material to be no problem in a psycho-physical reality. And due to the way psi works the complexity or magnitude of a psychic task or manifestation is completely irrelevant because psi is goal-oriented and it transcends space/time, matter/energy.

 

Implants are 'apports'. As was the legendary philosophers stone. UFO phenomena have always been with us, since early shamanism, taking on different symbolic forms in different cultures and ages. In all such instances, the essence of the phenomena is the same. And in all such instances, objects and seemingly autonomous entities can physically manifest to waking ego consciousness. Again, the complexity is irrelevant.

 

The way the UFO phenomena manifested in ancient India is very informative. I recommend reading Alien Identities : Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena by Richard L. Thompson.

 

"...Alien Identities is absolutely seminal, a real ground breaker...A "must-read" addition to the field." -Whitley Strieber

Mostly based on my own experiences, I do not take a definite stand on the nuts-and-bolts versus the psi-oriented discussion on this subject. Considering that I've met 10-15 different species, it wouldn't be hard for me to accept, that there probably exist great variations concerning corporeality and what goes for 'technology' amongst them. That these beings didn't have much real knowledge of matter-based technology was obvious, but in spite of their probably electro-magnetic field existence, some of them had a psi-based method to produce short and local 'matter'-manifestations such as sound and touch. And while 'matter' as we normally percieve it, really isn't matter, but repulsion of electron-charge, the change from visual appearance (fundamentally EM waves) to what humans call matter seemed to be difficult to them. It could possibly be a question of energy levels (Pippalayana, if you're reading this and don't consider it waste of time, your expert opinion would be welcome).

That these beings are of EM origin was clearly demonstrated to me as all of my digital displays went crazy (one hasn't recovered yet and probably never will), my computer was examined for communication from me in this period (but without being turned on!), and that electronically produced sound (CD) could be altered into some highly disagreeable gibberish, giving messages worthy of the worst kind of brainwashing-methods. Wonder if we subliminally are listening to this type of sounds all the time..... Just speculating.

Besides, these beings' EM existence must have some bio-electric implication also. With one exception none of them would come closer to me than two meters.... One should be grateful for small blessings.

As to the rest of your post, I can only support your opinions. Apart from not having read the book you recommended. Only 'Gods of Eden', which I find quite instructive in a toned-down way.

Sorry all you guys, who concentrate on secondhand speculations presented on symposiums. I thought a bit direct evidence could be of interest; at least to some.

You said:

 

"Wonder if we subliminally are listening to this type of sounds all the time..... Just speculating."

 

Probably, to some degree.

 

From a Biblical perspective this is probably to be considered as part of the 'strong delusion' sent out by God in the 'end times'. If I may speculate a bit - As a result of world disclosure, an exoteric 'nuts and bolts' UFO mythology will sweep the world like wildfire.

 

Then, with the full strength of our collective psi (faith) behind that 'outer' mythology, it will manifest in full and it will be like the 'days of Noah' when the 'sons of God' walked among us. But that won't save us because it's based on a falsehood, based on our inability to recognize the true nature of the phenomena, reality, and ourselves.

...my essay covers the ground you are talking about and relates it to our present Situation on this planet today.  Unfortunatley, I posted it wrong and lost the paragraph structure.  

 

  Two things. You should realize that to go out of your way to stress that your experiences do not involve entheogens subtly reinforces the idea that entheogenic experience is not quite as valid, and this is false. In doing this, you help propagate the anti-entheogenic attitude that dominates our culture.

 

   If by Gods of Eden you are talking about the Bramley book (I read it long ago) you should know that there are those who think that the the author was heavily influenced by  Scientology. Here is a link to conspiracy researcher Jim Keith:

 

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/sp000434.html

 

I am not saying that the book should not be read because of this, I am only saying that this whole field is tricky.

I wasn't aware, that I 'went out of my way' to stress invalidity of drugbased experiences, but if it appeared so, I hereby state, that this was not my intention. I had my share of chemical experimentation in my distant youth, and consider it an invaluable part of my change from mainstream to individualist. With the exception of hard drugs (opiates and amphetamine), I'm all for liberation of drug-use.

But then I can't disregard, that not all drugexperiences lead to 'insight'. I had a lot of co-experimenters concerning drugs, and most of them ended up in a very small, private universe, where entertainment values had a high priority. The few who tried to avoid such waste of opportunity relapsed into new-age-community activities, doing grouphugs or imitating tibetan monks etc. This was in a time of community-feeling being a fad, and participators mostly just demonstrated to each other, how politically correct they were. Hopefully this has changed.....but people being people??

So while I consider drugs as an excellent possibilty to get a first glimpse of a version of unfiltered 'reality', it also contains a great risk of amplified delusion. And anyway, as my main purpose is to acchieve communication, and ordinary awareness is a more common ground for that, I chose this instead of the more specialized drug perspective.

I'm far from being a scientologist myself, especially seen from the angle of organisational structure, but I'm not so critical about it, that I would condemn the value of any work being influenced by it. Personally I e.g. consider Hubbard's psychology far superior to the Freudian model.

Also I'm big enough to form independent opinions myself, and 40+ years in the alternative subculture has taught me to sniff out hidden ideologies disguised as selfevident truth, but actually being nothing more than doctrinal oration. And in the very weird world of conspiration-theory (which I enjoy much), show me the evidence, theory or speculation, which isn't pronounced abominable one way or another by someone else. These people can sometimes be worse than religious secterians, often getting lost in intricacies of dogma, who said what about whom, personal vendettas and correct 'protocol'.

I found 'The gods of Eden' valuable for its intrinsic qualities, and with at least a sound historical research as a basis. And the author only took 'liberties' with his material a few times, arriving at somewhat unsubstantiated conlusions. Many present books or articles are straight out sloppy in this respect.

With all respect. I would like to avoid hijacking this thread by straying too far from the main subject. You mind if we return there?

  The main thread or the sub-thread you are involved with within that main thread? The main thread here involved an almost completely uncritical endorsement of the UFO conference, so I addressed that.

 

  As for sub-threads, such as the one you, Student and Zorro are involved in, I also attempted to address that (without reposting a long essay already posted on this site), though admittedly, my post above combined the two.

 

  The video was an attempt to inject a little humor into the proceedings.

 

  All three approaches can synergetically contribute to a meta-thread.

 

  I did not at all go into your competence as a researcher, I simply passed on some info concerning Bramley as a further contribution to the main thread in which we are all posting. It was a further attempt to provide context for the broad investigation of Extraordinary Encounters by alerting everyone to certain a prioris that have subtly crept into the whole field of investigation, a prioris that are often not seen as such.

 

  As for *drugs*, the very use of that term instead of "entheogen" (or at least "psychedelic", though the two are not synonymous) creates the very confusion you mention: blurring the difference between recreational use and psychedelic yoga.

 

 Warm regards, Joseph

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