Is There Anybody Out There?

For whatever it's worth, I'll repeat, what I already have told some times on RS.

I have app. 150 hours direct, personal experience of the anomaleous phenomena, which generally are named 'Fortean'. Including UFOs, complex beings able to perform activities, which are 'impossible' according to present science, and myself as the victim of some rather advanced and unpleasant psi-technologies. I've had extensive communication with these generally hostile beings, but I've never been abducted though.

My experiences have been with me in an ordinary state of awareness, with no drugs or any mind-expanding methods involved. I simply percieved these phenomena precisely, as I would with any 'normal' physical object or organic being. I have been professionally tested for the standard medical reasons as to this being 'hallucinations', I have been declared non-psychotic by psychiatrists (my only mental disorder is separation-panic, which hardly would lead to such experiences as these), and no regression-technique of any kind has been necessary to bring my experiences forth. As far as normal memory allows, I have all details clear and present in my ordinary awareness.

Half a dozen other people have at various times also observed anomalies on my place, where my own experiences happened.

So for me, there's no doubt about the existence of such anomaleous phenomena, but it's not a point, I want to press. It's up to each one to form his/her own opinion, as the whole subject is so filled with misinfo and contradictory evidence as to make it non-intelligible. Albeit I must admit to some surprise of the simplistic, sensational and commercial discussion being conducted generally.

But I would like to support my own credibility a bit (I like to consider myself an honest person), a point which in this context is almost as important as the experiences themselves. First of all I protect my privacy very strongly in this matter; not because I'm afraid of ridicule or something like that, but because I love the peace and isolation of my present life. I wouldn't want that destroyed by a media-cirkus around my person. Also I'm not in any way economically involved in the situation.

And last, but not least, the whole subject is contrary to my real interest: A search for 'reality' (whatever that may be). And while 'aliens', 'others', UFOs etc can add to a general knowledge of cosmic existence, just as any other source of information, there's not much to gain in (what popularly has been called) 'spirituality'. At best it's a blind alley, where the most positive is, that these other complex beings are exposed as just that instead of nurturing religious notions of demons, angels etc. Anomalies are usually not especially spiritual.

My preoccupation with the subject is based on, that it has made rather an invasive impact on my life. An impact I must relate to unless it leads to irreparable consequences for me. And on this note I would like to connect to 'student of Sophia's recent post. I agree with you in almost all your observations, but to treat the situation from a total 'Maya' aspect is only relevant, if you already are in some nirvana-like state. Otherwise there ARE 'outer' consequences to consider (I can refer to the article and comments on 'free will').

Mostly based on my own experiences, I do not take a definite stand on the nuts-and-bolts versus the psi-oriented discussion on this subject. Considering that I've met 10-15 different species, it wouldn't be hard for me to accept, that there probably exist great variations concerning corporeality and what goes for 'technology' amongst them. That these beings didn't have much real knowledge of matter-based technology was obvious, but in spite of their probably electro-magnetic field existence, some of them had a psi-based method to produce short and local 'matter'-manifestations such as sound and touch. And while 'matter' as we normally percieve it, really isn't matter, but repulsion of electron-charge, the change from visual appearance (fundamentally EM waves) to what humans call matter seemed to be difficult to them. It could possibly be a question of energy levels (Pippalayana, if you're reading this and don't consider it waste of time, your expert opinion would be welcome).

That these beings are of EM origin was clearly demonstrated to me as all of my digital displays went crazy (one hasn't recovered yet and probably never will), my computer was examined for communication from me in this period (but without being turned on!), and that electronically produced sound (CD) could be altered into some highly disagreeable gibberish, giving messages worthy of the worst kind of brainwashing-methods. Wonder if we subliminally are listening to this type of sounds all the time..... Just speculating.

Besides, these beings' EM existence must have some bio-electric implication also. With one exception none of them would come closer to me than two meters.... One should be grateful for small blessings.

As to the rest of your post, I can only support your opinions. Apart from not having read the book you recommended. Only 'Gods of Eden', which I find quite instructive in a toned-down way.

Sorry all you guys, who concentrate on secondhand speculations presented on symposiums. I thought a bit direct evidence could be of interest; at least to some.

I wasn't aware, that I 'went out of my way' to stress invalidity of drugbased experiences, but if it appeared so, I hereby state, that this was not my intention. I had my share of chemical experimentation in my distant youth, and consider it an invaluable part of my change from mainstream to individualist. With the exception of hard drugs (opiates and amphetamine), I'm all for liberation of drug-use.

But then I can't disregard, that not all drugexperiences lead to 'insight'. I had a lot of co-experimenters concerning drugs, and most of them ended up in a very small, private universe, where entertainment values had a high priority. The few who tried to avoid such waste of opportunity relapsed into new-age-community activities, doing grouphugs or imitating tibetan monks etc. This was in a time of community-feeling being a fad, and participators mostly just demonstrated to each other, how politically correct they were. Hopefully this has changed.....but people being people??

So while I consider drugs as an excellent possibilty to get a first glimpse of a version of unfiltered 'reality', it also contains a great risk of amplified delusion. And anyway, as my main purpose is to acchieve communication, and ordinary awareness is a more common ground for that, I chose this instead of the more specialized drug perspective.

I'm far from being a scientologist myself, especially seen from the angle of organisational structure, but I'm not so critical about it, that I would condemn the value of any work being influenced by it. Personally I e.g. consider Hubbard's psychology far superior to the Freudian model.

Also I'm big enough to form independent opinions myself, and 40+ years in the alternative subculture has taught me to sniff out hidden ideologies disguised as selfevident truth, but actually being nothing more than doctrinal oration. And in the very weird world of conspiration-theory (which I enjoy much), show me the evidence, theory or speculation, which isn't pronounced abominable one way or another by someone else. These people can sometimes be worse than religious secterians, often getting lost in intricacies of dogma, who said what about whom, personal vendettas and correct 'protocol'.

I found 'The gods of Eden' valuable for its intrinsic qualities, and with at least a sound historical research as a basis. And the author only took 'liberties' with his material a few times, arriving at somewhat unsubstantiated conlusions. Many present books or articles are straight out sloppy in this respect.

With all respect. I would like to avoid hijacking this thread by straying too far from the main subject. You mind if we return there?

Hi Jeff,

thanks for your levelheaded post. But then you mostly write that way.

I agree with much of what you said, and have on occasion voiced the opinion, that beings, who are higher on the food-pyramid than we are (and hence ingest us in one way or another), not always or necessarily are 'evil' as such. Not more than the average human, who consider other animals as a natural food-subject, be it by evolution or some godgiven dispensation.

Personally I've taken the practical standpoint, that I want to try to minimize the suffering implied in a predatory food-hierachy, by sidestepping it as much as possible. An attitude which is completely personal and as un-invasive, as I can make it.

But then there are different ways of 'keeping cattle', as exemplified by the contrast between the small, ecological farm with animals treated with some respect (albeit they do end up slaughtered) and the industrial-like mass-production of meat, where the animals are treated rather heartless on every step of the process. For the simple reason, that it gives shortsighted economical advantages at the price of un-necessary suffering.

Ofcourse it's always unpleasant to be lower on the food-ladder, but what I find most abominable about our situation, is that our planet is treated exactly as a corporate project, only for gain, devoid of compassion. Our owners probably spend most of their time manipulating their equalent of a stock-market, and let the earthling Quislings (overseers) do most of the dirty job of breeding, harvesting and keeping the cattle in line. Punctuated by the occasional experiment to maximize profit.

There are probably 'thems' and 'thems', just as humans can vary considerably, and also I do not naively believe, that humanity would be treated much better, if we against all expectations started to behave decently or rationally ourselves. But as it it now, we hardly have moral grounds for complaining, seeing as it is, that we as a species often manifest 'evil' ourselves, and one necessary part of 'a way out' would be to understand the predator/prey problem better than we do now and in a wider context.

I'm e.g. rather convinced myself, that we make life a hell for the socalled 'elementals', who mostly are defenseless against the consequences of human greed, stupidity and arrogance.

And theists, please. Do not take my above opinions a support of grovelling meekness. I haven't yet reached the point of a buddha offering his body to a starving lioness, neither do I feel, that I must submit my will to some psychopathic deity. When attacked, I still consider flee or fight a legitimate moral option. I haven't exactly ASKED anybody to use me as food.

Hi Oannes,

sorry, can't remember the threads, where my personal experiences have been presented. Only the first one, called something with 'the others'.

As to your questions, some of them are answered in my answer to Jeff, but I'll go a bit more into detail about some of it. I do not believe in a black/white situation concerning the nuts-and-bolts and psychic controversy on UFOs, 'aliens' 'others' etc. There are several different species on this planet at the moment, and they have different levels of existence. Some of them are also able to change from one level to another, at least partly. E.g. from being non-corporeal to manifesting slightly physical 'matter' phenomena. And vice versa; nothing is clearcut.

Those fundamentally existing as energyforms, use energy for nourishment, and apparantly bio-energy from mammals on this planet can be used for this purpose. So the 'harvest' isn't physical, but energetical; bio-energy as pure energy. And war, overpoluation, severe stress, mental illness, famine and plagues are actually part of the harvesting methodology.

Such an idea is ofcourse nonsense for a materialistic reductionist, but to those not belonging to this group, I would recommend to consider some of the more absurd 'ideologies' emerging in human history. Religions insisting on genocide of practically everyone else, the late South-american cultures with their mass-sacrifices and Hitler's drowning his own germans in the underground-station in the last days of WW II etc.

This special parasitic aspect of alien/others relationship to humans have been told of for thousands of years, but as our present prists of scientism yet have to find a method to study it in a laboratorium, it doesn't per definition exist.

Maybe is doesn't look that way, but I try to minimize tales about my experiences here. So if you have any specific questions, you're welcome to contact me directly and with very few exceptions I'll answer anything.