A Sorcerer's Corner: Carlos Castaneda's Doomed Romance with Knowledge

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I: The Pen is Mightier (A Sorcerer-Academic in Exile)

Over the years, Carlos Castaneda (who died of liver cancer in 1999) sold millions of books and stirred up a mountain of speculation and controversy. He was called "the godfather of the New Age" by Time magazine, an ironic designation (his works are hardly populist) but an indication of his influence on "alternative" Western thought. Over the years, Castaneda has been denounced as a trickster, hoaxer, opportunist, and just plain liar (for example, by Richard de Mille in Castaneda's Journey and The Don Juan Papers, and Jay Courtney Fikes in Carlos Castaneda: Academic Opportunism and the Psychedelic Sixties). Without going into detail, there are a considerable number of inconsistencies, if not glaring contradictions, to be found in his books, and these have led skeptics to conclude that the accounts were cut from whole cloth. I may as well say, right off the bat, that I consider this idea untenable. There is simply too much in the books of obvious merit -- too much insight, depth, and sheer novelty -- for me to believe that the answer is as straightforward or convenient as that he made it all up. Ironically, since Castaneda claimed to be recounting his initiation into a "separate reality" in which the laws of physics were closer to quantum mechanics than those of Newton (i.e., more microcosmic than macro-, more subjective dream reality than objective consensus reality), the shaky, amorphous quality of his accounts could even be said to confirm their authenticity, rather than to undermine it.[1]

Those who put forward the hoax-invention angle rarely acknowledge the kind of literary genius required to pull of such a hoax -- on a par at the very least with Edgar Allan Poe -- perhaps because, if they did, they would wind up expressing admiration and awe rather than skepticism and consternation. On the other hand, the examples that are given of seemingly recycled knowledge in Castaneda's books (luminous eggs, energy filaments, similarities to Krishnamurti and Gurdjieff, and so forth) could just as well be cited as validation. Such sweeping criticisms invariably ignore the much more unique material in the books, that pertaining to the "old seers," for example, to the first and second "attentions" and "the assemblage point," and some extremely precise psychological descriptions that pertain to the art of stalking. Many of these latter observations I have found verifiable in day-to-day existence, while at the same time they seem to have no precedent in esoteric or psychological literature. To me, this strongly suggests that Castaneda obtained this information somewhere other than from his own imagination.

The well-known spiritual teacher, Osho, had this to say about Castaneda:

If there were someone like Don Juan he would be enlightened, he would be like a Buddha or a Lao Tzu -- but there is nobody like Don Juan. Carlos Castaneda's books are ninety-nine per cent fiction -- beautiful, artful, but fiction. As there are scientific fictions, there are spiritual fictions also. . . . When I say fiction I don't mean don't read him, I mean read him more carefully, because one per cent of truth is there. You will have to read it very carefully, but don't swallow it completely because it is ninety-nine per cent fiction. . . . On that one per cent of truth he has been able to create a big edifice. On that one per cent of truth he has been able to project much imagination. On that one iota of truth he has made the whole house, a beautiful palace -- a fairy tale. But that one per cent of truth is there, otherwise it would have been impossible. This man has come across some being who knows something, and then through drugs, LSD and others, he has projected that small truth into imaginary worlds. Then his whole fiction is created. [My italics.][2]

 

While I don't agree with Osho's conclusion, or at least with his ratio of truth to fiction, the idea that Castaneda must be read with extreme discernment, and the suggestion that he fell prey to fantasy, seem to me to be accurate. Castaneda had a gift for bringing almost inconceivable concepts and experiences into the realm of everyday reality. His work forms a bridge between two apparently (or previously) inseparable worlds, and invites the reader to cross over into "a separate reality." The tendency of the reader -- to the extent that they lack direct experience of the world of sorcery -- is to imagine that that other reality must adhere to the same rules as this one. Although Castaneda wrote of "first and second attentions," he describes most of the events as if they are occurring in the "first attention," that's to say, the reality which we all know. Had he not done so, his books would have been much closer to what, possibly, they actually are: dream narratives.

I don't think Castaneda invented anything in his books: I think he dreamed many of the events he recounts, maybe even most of them, and then did what he could to reformulate them, or reconceive them, as if they had happened in this reality. In the process of that reformulation, it may be that something else happened. Since there was a larger than average amount of interpretation in transcribing his experiences in the second attention (his dreams), Castaneda's own personal bias colored his accounts. Little by little, and unbeknownst to Carlos himself, they became the means to his own ends. The obvious end for Castaneda was that he became a titled academic (he got a master's degree for Journey to Ixtlan), a best-selling author and leading figure in the counterculture, a guru, and finally a cult leader. In his own mind, he got to be a warrior and a sorcerer. Since everything in a warrior-sorcerers' life comes down to hunting energy and turning it into personal power, Carlos was on a "power trip" in the most dramatic and profound sense of the phrase. While Castaneda accessed some extremely powerful and profound truths about existence, he then used those truths for his own empowerment, thereby turning them into something less than truth -- something closer to an extremely glamorous kind of information. If so, then the accuracy and authenticity of his writings is a far subtler and more mysterious question than investigators such as De Mille could ever hope to answer, and even than a supposed "Master" such as Osho was able to comprehend (or willing to speak about).

Osho's comment was that Castaneda projected truth into imaginary worlds. I think this is accurate, and that the books themselves are acts of sorcery, and the separate reality which Castaneda led millions of people into was one which he co-created using the reader's attention to do so. Castaneda's books (there are ten in all, not counting Magical Passes and Wheel of Time) not only describe a perception of a separate reality -- to a degree they also induce it. All good writing creates a trance state in the reader, provided they are willing to be entranced, and Castaneda's books excel at creating such states. My guess is that this is because they were written -- or at least conceived -- while their author was in an unusually deep trance state. Castaneda even admits in one of the volumes that he dreamed his books before writing them. For the remainder of this article, then, I will assume that, however unreliable his accounts might be, and despite any evidence of "tampering," Castaneda was reporting experiences that genuinely happened, and not merely inventing them or suffering from hallucinations. However, and somewhat ironically, this argument is predicated on a belief (mine) that such a thing as the second attention exists, and that dreams are indeed gateways into another reality, one that exists on a parallel track to this one. It then becomes possible that some, maybe even most, of Castaneda's encounters with "sorcerers" occurred in another realm to the one we are accustomed to calling reality.

If we allow for this possibility, then Castaneda's gift was for relaying experiences and knowledge passed on to him from elsewhere while in an altered state of awareness. In other words, his greatest insights, although they came through him, do not appear to have come from him. This can be said of all great artists, in one way or another; the problem with Castaneda is that his source was not God, but godlike beings with whom he had direct contact (even if through dreams). If his accounts are to be even partially believed, then Castaneda was a kind of glorified postman for superior, post-human intelligences. And Carlos' way of dealing with his soul-shattering experiences was even by writing them down -- as suggested by don Juan, in one of the early books, when Carlos becomes a figure of fun to the sorcerers because of his relentless note-taking. Don Juan compares Carlos and his notebook to a drunkard with his bottle, or a baby with his pacifier -- writing for Carlos was a particular "doing" which he used as "shield" against the onslaught of the irrational which being caught up in the sorcerers' world entailed. Writing about his experiences was a way for Carlos to distance himself from them-hence, as DeMille suggested, there were two sides to Castaneda: there was Carlos, the character, swept away by the sorcerers' narrative, and there was Castaneda, the aloof master-chronicler of that fantastic narrative.

It may be pointed out here that if, as I'm suggesting, Castaneda dreamt many of his experiences, it's unlikely he actually dreamed he was taking notes throughout. In which case, Carlos' note-taking may have been a literary device (created by Castaneda) necessary, on the one hand, to explain how he was able to remember everything in such vivid detail, while on the other, serving as a symbolic indication of his tendency to remained detached from his experiences, a passive witness, much as we often are as dreamers.[3] One thing is certain, and that is that, first and foremost, Castaneda was a writer. Writing was his primary function both in his ordinary life (assuming there was such a thing) and in the world of sorcerers (assuming there was such a thing). When we write down our experiences, we naturally have a degree of control over them that we lack while simply living them. As the author of his own experiences, Castaneda could recount them -- and maybe even remember them? -- any way he chose. This is why writing down an account of factual events always renders them as fiction, no matter how accurate a writer tries to be. While writing can help us to assimilate and understand an experience, by the same token it can also foster the illusion of having done so. There is always the danger that writing about an experience will become a means not to assimilate it fully, because, by having control over our experience and reaching premature conclusions about it, we can file it away and forget all about it. Intellectual understanding is theoretical and not practical -- it's "all in the head." Its power is to make the unknown known, a double-edged sword, because we can use the mind to fool ourselves into thinking we know, when all we have done is interpreted an unknown and accepted that interpretation as reality.

There is plenty of evidence (not the hard kind, but suggestive evidence) that Castaneda was allowed access into the sorcerers' world not because he necessarily belonged there, but because he had the right kind of "journalistic" (i.e., intellectual) bent to pass on his experiences to the rest of humanity. If that was his actual reason for being among such beings -- and/or for being visited/abducted by them in his dreams -- it's possible that (like his fellow imaginer Whitley Strieber) he was exposed to a level of intensity, power, and revelation that he wasn't ready for. Like a photo-journalist who ends up in a war zone, dodging bullets and witnessing atrocities while trying to hold his camera straight and keep his head despite his lack of army training, such an experience could unhinge the sturdiest of minds. If Castaneda was only given his experiences in order to relay information to the world, his own integration and understanding of them may have been inessential to that function. Castaneda's testimonies then become the accounts of one man's rational struggle with impossible realities, while at the same time, they provide a subtle (but unwitting) description of the pitfalls the intellect encounters as it tries to navigate its way through the war zone-wonderland of the sorcerers' world.

In short, the same formidable intellect that allowed Castaneda to communicate the energetic truths he was given may have meant that Carlos was unable to fully assimilate them. In the first of his books, for example, The Teachings of Don Juan, a third of the work is devoted to an unreadable appendix called "A Structural Analysis," in which Castaneda attempts to wrestle the imaginal realities (which he has just recounted so magically) down to the rubber mat of reason. The attempt seems less to mollify skeptical academics than to satisfy some need in Castaneda himself: to strip his experiences as "Carlos" of all their magic, power, and meaning. In the process, he reveals himself as a rational lunatic, an unwitting clown dancing buffoon-like while infinity takes pot-shots at his feet. The tragicomic aspect of his story is that Castaneda may even have been chosen partially for this very limitation, because, as an intellectually sophisticated Western male, he was equipped to present the knowledge in a way that would be easily digestible to the general public. At the same time, and once Carlos' own life had played out its tragic tune to the bitter end, it would also make abundantly clear the dangers of that knowledge, and the limitations of the intellect for grasping it. Although he gave up trying to pass for an academic, Castaneda kept on writing books to the end, and if accounts of that end are to be believed (primarily those found in Amy Wallace's Sorcerer's Apprentice), the knowledge he worked so hard to bring to the world finally slipped through his fingers. This fact may provide the most persuasive evidence that Castaneda's exposure to the incomprehensible forces of sorcery proved too much for Carlitos. It strongly suggests that, unwilling or unable to relinquish his self-importance, he was defeated by "the third enemy of a man of knowledge," succumbed to the temptations of power, and became (in the words of don Juan) a "cruel, capricious man."

While Castaneda never presented his works as fiction (he fiercely denied such charges), he was cunning enough to make sure they read as fiction. As such, and in a sense, his books became indistinguishable from fiction. I'd wager that this is a major reason for all the confusion and skepticism, because anything that looks this much like a yarn must be a yarn. But I wonder also if it was part of Castaneda's subterfuge. The novelistic form of the books allows more literal-minded readers, those unable to entertain the subtle, subjective nature of the sorcerers' world, to dismiss them, based on purely circumstantial evidence (the many contradictions cited by DeMille and others). This subterfuge might have been considered necessary, not only for the protection of the message, but that of the messenger also (and the public). Yet it seems to me that the real danger which Castaneda-the-messenger faced was his own incapacity to shoulder the burden of knowledge.[4]

Caught between a strange and deeply threatening new reality, and an old reality that no longer offered much comfort or assurance, that would have seemed increasingly hollow and illusory, is it any wonder if Castaneda took refuge in the role of Carlos, sorcerer-author, guru, and cult leader? It may have been the only bridge he had between the two worlds which he was straddling, and the only way for him to make sense of either. The irony and tragedy of Castaneda, the writer, is that the tool he was using to protect himself from madness -- his intellect -- was the very thing that was most likely to undo him in the end. In the end, writing became not so much a bridge between worlds but a means to take refuge in an imaginary world -- refuge even from the truth which he used to create that world. Being the author, Castaneda, would have given him an illusion of control as "Carlos" (his own creation) so intoxicating that it was almost bound to turn into an obsessive and neurotic drive for power. The very gift for which Castaneda was chosen, as the conveyer of hidden knowledge, would eventually make Carlos an outcast in both the world of men and the world of sorcerers.

 

II: Abstract Falsehoods

The next part of this essay -- in the spirit of its subject matter -- comes from a dream I had some years ago (2006) about Castaneda and the sorcerer's path. It is not based on any factual accounts or even on material from the books (though it pertains to them), and foregoes any attempt at objective analysis. Instead it dives into the deep end of "received knowledge," or at least imaginative reasoning (and storytelling) -- just as Castaneda himself did. The reader may therefore wish to apply a greater degree of discernment for this segment.

I am in a dimly lit room discussing the Kennedy assassination with a second person. More than just discussing it, we are almost reliving it. The forces behind the assassination, dark sorcerers, are trying "to turn the abyss inside out." They are attempting this "because it is impossible." I mention the play Macbeth, saying that it is a good parallel to the assassination (I remembered later that it was performed in the White House, just prior to Kennedy's death). The other person thinks about it then disagrees. Macbeth was about slaying the king in order to become the king. "They" killed Kennedy for far more complex and less human reasons than mere worldly ambition. Yet the parallel does exist. I state that the emotions involved in the Kennedy assassination, ambition bordering on insanity, greed, envy, fear, hatred, remorse, despair, hunger for power, are similar to the emotions that run, like pigment, through Shakespeare's darkest play.

I am then discussing with someone Carlos Castaneda and his books. They are informing me that there is a basic and profound flaw in the works (something about the Sun and the Eagle), and that "they are not to be trusted." My realizing and accepting this painful truth is a test of my warrior's spirit. It is the equivalent of a religious man's test of faith, or of the existential crisis of an atheist. It may in fact be somewhere between the two, since a sorcerer is neither religious nor atheist. Perhaps it is akin to a Gnostic who must accept that he is really agnostic, i.e., does not know, as yet, and cannot take it on faith. For the past eighteen years, I have "followed" (attempted to live by) the teachings found in Castaneda's books as rigorously as I have been able. It is perhaps only a slight exaggeration to say that they got me where I am today. Yet these books are not to be trusted? If so, I realize that this is true of all written works. This fact, or realization (that anything that can be written down is false), is doubly challenging to me as a writer. Whatever I believe, and whatever I write (being founded in what I believe), is flawed, incomplete, potentially misleading at best, at worst counterproductive. At first this seems like a terrible truth. Then I realize that I have to write, I have no choice. So it doesn't really matter, does it? Or does it?

Perhaps the danger is in believing in the sanctity and infallibility of my own words, thoughts, and intellect, as Castaneda apparently did, and so falling into "the pit of Because"? Another point that is raised in my dream is that "people read in order to relax." This is what attracts people to books, and to written doctrine: the unconscious fact that, by engaging the intellect, they are able to relax and feel temporarily at peace. In a sense, we trick ourselves into believing, just as when we read a novel, in order to find comfort and solace in the abstract realm of thought and belief.  People read to relax. Some people even read Nietzsche to relax (I was one of them).

I have no choice but to write. But I have a choice about what I believe.

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The death defiers, old seers who would turn the Abyss in on itself, are driven by the terror and the hubris that comes from knowing that what they aspire to is impossible. This gives them a (false) sense of heroism, or romance, about what they are doing. Their goal, their Opus Magnus, is the "Higher Identity" of individual Godhead. What they cannot or will not accept or understand is that this can never be. There is and can never exist any such "higher identity." It is a false goal, made real by a desperate hunger to attain it. It is an abstract falsehood.

The reason is that the Universe is designed to ensure that "personal intent" can never exist on the other side of the Abyss (or even once we are in it). Personal intent relates to -- stems from -- personal history. A Man of Knowledge (don Juan Matus, for example) is someone who has erased every last trace of personal history, and with it the personal self. There is no more nor less to it than this, and Castaneda may have unwittingly glorified and mystified what is really an incredibly simple, though monumentally hard, accomplishment. This is both why and because he could not attain it himself. Castaneda's works are his attempt to erase personal history by writing (and reinventing) it. But since he failed at this task, they remain contaminated by that history, as pure water that has passed through a dirty filter.

I am discussing this now with Lyn Birkbeck, the astrologer and a fellow warrior-traveler. If there is even one scrap of personal history left the moment a sorcerer attempts to cross the Abyss, the "Eagle" rejects the sorcerer and spits him out. He may be destroyed or he may be given a second chance, depending on factors beyond my understanding at this time. (Matus, in Power of Silence, was given a second chance. He died but the "Eagle" rejected him, so he began a new cycle of life. All this is very unclear.) That single scrap of personal history could be anything at all: the way a piece of candy tasted, the memory of a breeze on a summer's day, it doesn't matter. That one tiny scrap of memory (attachment?) will destroy everything, and the warrior's bid for freedom will either be delayed, or end in destruction. "For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour." (Book of the Law)

Apparently this relates to the body in some way, and the idea that even the slightest thought, pertaining to self-consciousness, at the Crossing of the Abyss will be magnified to Infinity. It will cause a blockage in the circuit and the entire organism will "short."

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There is an odd interlude in the dream in which I am a Sherlock Holmes type character, sneaking into the sleeping quarters of the old seers (the dark side sorcerers), and carrying the leader out while he sleeps, laying him down in the middle of a trafficked highway so that he is rudely awoken by the sound of traffic. He then realizes he has literally been "caught napping." The head sorcerer takes it well, however, as do his cohorts. They seem to have no problem admitting that "Sherlock" has got the better of them. Yet nor do they cease their efforts to find a loophole in space-time (a glitch in "the Rule"), by which they can cheat Death, the Universe, Karma, divine law. In the dream this is represented by their trying to get a TV to pass whole through the Abyss, and failing every time (the TV gets bounced back).

In the most obscure, intense, and mysterious part of the dream, I am with don Juan and Carlos for a time. We are in a large mansion, belonging to some rich friends of Carlos, where he stays sometimes, mooching. Carlos takes notes about everything. Then he leaves, and I am alone with don Juan. The telephone rings, he gets it. It is Carlos, collect-calling from some distant place. I ask don Juan if this is the first time he has done this, and don Juan shakes his head, no. He accepts the charges, explaining to me that, though extremely annoying, Carlos is also very useful. "He always asks the right questions."

I deduce from this that they (the new seers) are using Carlos to get their doctrine out. I suspect that Carlos himself either never suspects or is unable to accept this fact: that he is only allowed to spend time with the seers so that he can write it all down. Otherwise, he would be unwelcome in their world. It may be this basic, incontrovertible fact that accounts for the "flaw" in his writing. Then again, it may not.

Don Juan is extremely crude with Carlos, seeming to take pleasure in shocking him. Carlos makes some realization about the body, and don Juan replies curtly, "The fucking body is for fucking, yes." This statement, so far as I can glean, relates to organic existence. The actual reason for bodies to exist is in order to engage in carnal experience, yes; but this is not simply for the body's satisfaction. It is rather that bodies, our bodies, are created by the Universe/Eagle in order to perpetuate itself. The goal of the Universe (and of the body) is to create perfect vessels for its awareness to reside in: the awareness of the Universe, as opposed to the personal self.

There is a profound and obscure point that Matus makes here, with the words: "The original sin was death." So far as I can deduce from this, it implies that man did not come to know death because he sinned, but that dying -- or perhaps the sense of a separate self that can die -- is itself synonymous with and indistinguishable from "sin." For this reason, death is the ultimate mark of "failure" for the Man of Knowledge. If he is truly a man of knowledge, death is an impossibility. It may be that the death defiers seek to defy the Universe by gaining personal immortality ("higher identity"), and that, over time, as they realize the folly of this, they gradually "evolve" into beings who seek to defy the Universe by being erased, by "dying." Both these things are unattainable however, are in fact the only two impossibles, in a Universe of possibilities. "Death is forbidden, o man, unto thee." (Book of the Law)

Again I am talking with astrologer Lyn. We discuss how the Universe is arranged, and the Eagle's gift to the warrior:

A warrior continues for an indeterminate time on his or her path with a heart. During this period (which is the exact duration of the warrior's life as an individual self), he or she remains as if within an isolated space, a kind of cosmic quarantine. While s/he slogs away, keeping to the path of freedom, increasingly doubtful of ever attaining it, the only thing that keeps the warrior on this path -- continuously focused on both the end, freedom, and the means, discipline-is his or her "personal intent," or will. At a given point, however, a point which none but the Universe can determine, something gives. A bubble bursts, a lid is lifted, the Universe quite "literally" (energetically speaking) lets the warrior "out of the bag." Once s/he is removed from the isolated space or "quarantine," the warrior is then drawn inexorably through the "portal," to freedom. In this final phase, no volition or personal intent is required on the part of the warrior. In fact, it is not even possible.

I deduce from this that the Universe does indeed apply a kind of quarantine, which ensures two things. Firstly, that no individual may attain freedom -- i.e., become a vessel for divine consciousness, a Son of God -- through will or desire alone. They must in effect be selected by the Universe to receive this breathtaking gift. This prevents the possibility of unscrupulous sorcerers, driven by superhuman thirst for power, attaining "higher identity" and becoming, as it were, fickle gods. It may easily be seen how this would quickly bring about the end, not only of the Universe, but of "God" Itself. (This may indeed be the ultimate goal and abstract falsehood of the death defiers, but let's not go there!)

Secondly, and more directly pertinent to our concerns, this quarantine measure ensures that every warrior who remains on the path-with-a-heart for the necessary duration will attain freedom, through no specific act or achievement of their own, but merely by virtue of endurance, persistence, and, if you will, faith. This is a necessary rule. If personal volition had anything to do with those all-decisive moments in which a warrior makes the final bid for freedom, it would be impossible, utterly impossible, for the fear of failure not to bring about failure. The personal self (Poe's imp of the perverse) being what it is, there would be no way to override the contrary impulse and will ourselves to fail. Out of sheer desire for freedom, our fear of not attaining it would invariably win out (the greater the desire, the greater the fear).

Another way of saying this is that the personal self cannot ever will its own erasure. It must be tricked into surrendering. The governing power is not the warrior's but the Universe; as such, the Universe always gets its way and the warrior, provided he hang in long enough, invariably attains freedom.

After mulling over the dream later, I decided that there were three basic options for the individual who had embarked upon the warrior's way, or path with a heart, and three alone.

1)         To persist in the warrior's way (a.k.a. "the path of righteousness," "service of Spirit," etc.), and endure the time of "incubation" or quarantine, until such a time as the Universe breaks the seal and we return to our True Selves. ("A warrior is waiting and a warrior knows what he is waiting for.")

2)         To tire of and lose faith in the warrior's way, and return to the heartless path of an unexamined life, complete with personal history, personal self-ness (everything is personal for the ordinary man), and a final, very personal death. This is by far the most common "failure" for the warrior -- giving up.

3)         Finally, there is the fool's option, to defy the Rule. This is the way of the old seers (and presumably some new ones), by which they opted neither to persist in the warrior's way nor to return to the ranks of ordinary ignorant humanity. Instead, they chose to forge their own path against the current, attempting to "turn the abyss inside out" and so escape the inexorable Law of Karma. This is the uncommon route to failure, and leads to such dire consequences that "failure" can hardly be considered the word, and "damnation" might really be more accurate.

In all cases, CHOICE is involved. This is the final beauty and power of the warrior's way. Warriors take responsibility for the choices open to them, and make those choices accordingly. This is why there is no reason for fear on a path with a heart. Only that can befall us which we consciously choose to experience. The beautiful paradox of this is that, in the end, a warrior has no choice. He or she has accepted that the only possible freedom comes from surrendering the personal self to the "Rule," which is God's Will, and in submitting to the Law of the Divine.

 

III: A Rock & Roll Nagual's Suicide

The challenge of Castaneda's works is that they cannot be taken apart from the man himself, most specifically, the effect that the sorcerers' knowledge had upon Carlos' sanity. This is not so straightforward a challenge as merely distinguishing between fact and fiction, but of recognizing the ways in which the author's distortions -- his personal history -- slanted the material and made it less than wholly accurate, or truthful. Richard DeMille's books on Castaneda are written from the point of view of somebody who is certain that Carlos made everything up. DeMille has a great deal of evidence to support his argument, yet for many readers, myself included, his evidence remains inconclusive, and even somewhat irrelevant, because our own experiences seem to corroborate Castaneda's accounts. And yet, there is a crucial element in the books that makes them deceptive. To put it more kindly, they are not what they seem.

There is a little-known book called Encounters with The Nagual: Conversations with Carlos Castaneda, by Armando Torres. In this book, Torres offers up some compelling descriptions of the sorcerers' world which he claims are transcriptions of (unrecorded) dialogues with Castaneda. Fittingly, his book puts Carlos in the role of don Juan, the great sorcerer-seer, while Torres assumes the Castaneda role of asking "the right questions." At one point in their exchange, Castaneda tells Armando Torres that don Juan was the real author of the books, and that, although he didn't write them letter by letter, he was in charge and supervised every statement. "In time," Castaneda tells Torres, "I discovered don Juan's strategy had been carefully calculated."

Here Castaneda confirms that he was chosen specifically to disclose the sorcerers' knowledge, and that this was at least partially why he was allowed into that world to begin with. Another factor to support this hypothesis is Castaneda's description of himself (in his own books as well as Torres') as "a three-pronged nagual," an energetic facet which meant he didn't really belong among the other sorcerers. Because of his strange "configuration," Carlos' function as a nagual wasn't to continue don Juan's lineage, but to end it. Presumably, writing the books was a central part of that denouement. In Torres' account, Castaneda states that the three-pronged nagual is "destructive to the established order, because their nature is not creative or nurturing," and that "they have the tendency to enslave all those who surround them." Torres' Castaneda adds that, to achieve freedom, these naguals must do it alone, "because their energy is not tuned to guide groups of warriors." This was born out by Castaneda's actions as a leader: he eventually went insane, and in the process he created an abusive cult in place of a group of warriors. Two of his closest apprentices -- "the witches" Florinda Donner and Taisha Abelar, who also wrote sorcery books -- allegedly wound up committing suicide after their nagual died.

Elsewhere in his book, Torres quotes Castaneda on his ideas about the different ways of dying:

The soul does not exist. What exists is energy. Once the physical body disappears, the only thing left is an energy entity fed by memory. Some individuals are so oblivious of themselves that they die almost without realizing it. People who die with a blockage of their assemblage point are like people with amnesia. They can no longer align memories because they do not have any continuity. As such, while they live they feel permanently on the brink of oblivion. Then when they die, those people disintegrate almost instantaneously. The impulse of their lives only lasts for a few years at the most. However, most people take a little longer disintegrating, between one hundred and two hundred years. The ones who had lives full of meaning can resist for half a millennium. The range expands even more for those who were able to create bonds with masses of people. They can retain their awareness during entire millennia. . . .

In a general sense, the duration of our existence depends in a great measure on how we treat our energy. Ordinarily we leave this life filled to the brim with everyday concerns. We are eroded by the things we see and touch. For that reason we die. But if we call back to ourselves all of that vital force through recapitulation, death can no longer be the same because we will have our totality. From the seers' point of view, a warrior who has recapitulated his life does not die. His attention is not dispersed, and is so compact that it is one continuous and coherent line. So his recapitulation never ends. It continues for eternity because it is the work of retracing his steps of existing on his own and being complete. . . .

 

A sorcerer is somebody who spends his life tuning himself through arduous discipline. When his time arrives, he faces death like a new stage in his travel along the path. Unlike an ordinary man, he does not try to soothe his fear with false hopes. The warrior departs for his definitive journey filled with joy, and his death greets him and allows him to keep his individuality like a trophy. His sense of being is so finely tuned that he becomes pure energy, and disappears with the fire from within. In that way, he is able to extend his individuality for thousands of millions of years. We are children of the Earth. It is our ultimate source. The option of sorcerers is to unite with the awareness of the Earth for as long as the Earth will live.

As everyone knows, the idea that our actions determine whether we are damned for all eternity or get to go to heaven is something that millions of Christians believe. Christians have a convenient loophole that makes such a burdensome belief bearable, however: as long as they accept Jesus Christ into their hearts and keep their faith in the Lord, they will be saved. Their belief isn't primarily about their actions on a moment to moment basis, and is not anchored in ordinary reality but is based on faith. Castaneda's belief system, on the other hand, was predicated on the same kind of stakes-the difference between dying and being erased forever or living for eternity (or thousands of millions of years)-but the outcome isn't based on faith but on "impeccability." Each and every one of Carlos' actions played a part in determining whether or not he attained the sorcerers' goal of total freedom.

I have had my own experience of such an all-consuming belief, when under the influence of psychedelics I entered into a state of consciousness in which I was convinced that each of my actions determined whether I would be damned or not. I couldn't handle it. The reason I couldn't handle it was because the burden of such an awareness was too great for my person to bear. Essentially, I went insane for a brief period of time while I was living with that knowledge, or rather, with a distorted version of knowledge which made it all about my personal actions. Whether Carlos really believed in the two options of dying, and whether he really went insane, the message is the same: the sorcerers' knowledge is to be approached with utmost caution, and even with suspicion. In one of the books, Castaneda writes how it was necessary for the new seers (don Juan's lineage) to understand the teachings of the old seers, and even to incorporate them into their own teachings, in order to be sure not to make the same mistakes. Judging by how he ended up, the teachings of Carlos Castaneda -- which supposedly pertain to the new seers -- might best be seen in a similar light. Since they have been filtered through Carlos' own perceptions, and since Castaneda supposedly had some similar features to the old seers, they may be closer in essence to the teachings of those old seers, and may even be equally erroneous at some basic level. In a word, and going by Castaneda's example, they do not lead to freedom.

One way to judge a fruit (besides eating it) is to look very closely at the tree. If it's covered with bugs and other diseases, chances are the fruit isn't that healthy either. Carlos never attained freedom, and he never became one with his path with a heart. He remained a somebody on a path, and all his teachings were colored by that lack of alignment, that lack of heart. So in the end he became a negative example. He wound up sick and alone, surrounded by the women he had enslaved. From what I can piece together of the clues, this was the result of using his "sorcerers' task" as the rationale for gratifying his baser desires. The reason it went awry for Carlos, I think, is that he never fully let go of those desires, those personal agendas, and eventually they drove him into a sorcerer's corner. If he never erased his personal history or healed the wounds of his past, then it would have been those same wounds that drove him into that corner.

Another way of saying this is that Castaneda never surrendered his will to power. The will to power is the masculine prerogative, and it is all about doing. The feminine energy (which might be called the power of love) is the energy of being, and ideally the two energies balance and complete one another. When the will to power is not balanced and kept in check by the surrendering energy of love, it leads not to freedom but to self-destruction. According to one of the most intriguing areas of Castaneda's books, the old seers drove themselves into a corner when they attempted to attain freedom (to defy death) by becoming more than human. Power then becomes a way to avoid one's humanness-vulnerability and fallibility-by prematurely transcending it instead of accepting and integrating it, and attaining freedom that way. Much like the old seers-only in his case as a writer and speaker-Castaneda was able to create a cloak with which to persuade thousands of people that he was something other-something greater-than he was. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The efficacy of that cloak ensured that some critical blind spot within his psyche remained securely in place, and so he went deeper and deeper into distortion. Like a cancer, that blind spot worked away at an unconscious level until it took him over completely. He became delusional, and finally he went insane.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Too much of it can kill. It was too much knowledge, and too much power, that drove Castaneda insane. Yet the problem of that knowledge may have been less the quantity, or even its quality, than the way in which he interpreted it. Judging by his books, Carlos' downfall came about because he insisted on clinging to a personal perspective in which it was up to him to do something with the knowledge he had been given (something besides communicate it, that is). "Reality is a doing and a doing is measured by its fruits," Castaneda told Torres. It's a statement that speaks volumes about the bent of Carlos' character. Although Castaneda wrote about "not-doing," about becoming a nothing, erasing personal history and all the rest, his books are imbued with the energy of doing. They are romances -- gripping mystery novels in which the author, as much as don Juan, is the protagonist. His decision to present his experiences as a dramatized narrative was probably based on a desire to convey the sorcerers' knowledge in a way that was both arresting and absorbing to the public. His books, like all good novels, allow the reader to identify with Carlos' narrative and to enter into it and experience it viscerally, as if it were happening to them. It was, I think, a calculated decision, and one that ensured the success of the books, as well as creating controversy and confusion around them, and a general consensus that they were largely fictional accounts. In a way, then, Castaneda chose popularity over credibility. I think it was the right decision for the books and for the readers; but it may have been the wrong one for Carlos.

Castaneda allegedly kept framed copies of his book covers on the walls of his "compound" in Los Angeles. It's a strange decision for someone dedicated to erasing their personal history, and it suggests that Carlos' identity was heavily invested in his books and in the role of best-selling author. His books consolidated his identity as a writer-sorcerer, not only by turning him into a literary celebrity but also, in a less obvious way, by creating the character of "Carlos Castaneda." The books cemented that character, the sorcerer's apprentice and three-pronged nagual, in the collective consciousness by (optimistically) charting his addled and arduous path to freedom. Eventually, however, Carlos' path with a heart became a road to ruin, as described by his "wife" Amy Wallace, in her book, A Sorcerer's Apprentice.[5] Over the course of his ten books, Castaneda reinvented himself by weaving a sorcerer's narrative. The primary function of that narrative, apparently, was to convey the sorcery knowledge which he had accessed, via encounters with shape-shifting naguals either in ordinary reality or via dreaming (the first or second attentions). The secondary function of his sorcerer's narrative was to turn its author into a somebody-a rock and roll nagual with millions of readers and hundreds of adoring (and sexually available) disciples. This secondary function -- that of inflating his personal history instead of erasing it -- appears to have become primary to Carlos, and that would be precisely why it brought about his personal downfall. The narrative then had to be completed, not by Castaneda but by Wallace (the feminine perspective), whose book put Carlos' sorcery romance into a far more mundane (and sordid) perspective, and revealed that Castaneda had stacked the deck of his literary-sorcerer's enterprise so as to come out a winner, and, as a consequence, been kicked out of the game.

He who lives by the pen, dies by the pen. Castaneda's decision to romanticize the sorcerers' knowledge, to turn it into a dramatic narrative to draw readers in, inevitably meant that the knowledge was also personalized. It then became his story. And like all mythic narratives, Castaneda's journey was a heroic quest in which the possibility of failure, defeat, and ignominy was always present. Since it was up to Castaneda, the writer, to do something with the sorcerers' knowledge, it was up to Carlos, the character, to live up to the teachings of don Juan, or not. And failure in that mighty endeavor would mean much more than simply losing face. What was at stake was not merely his worldly reputation, but the continuance of his individual consciousness. Playing for such stakes, the sorcerers' knowledge became a burden that would overwhelm the very best of men. I wonder if, when he saw that he could never beat the odds, and like the old seers, Castaneda chose to try and cheat death instead of surrender to it? When it became obvious to him that he was going to fail, did he decide to settle for the next best thing to immortality and focus his intent instead on "creat[ing] bonds with masses of people" so as to "retain [his] awareness during entire millennia"? If so, then he wrote himself into a corner from which no amount of sorcery can ever free him.

He may be out there still.

 

 

NOTES


[1] One charge leveled at Castaneda was that, once his "tales of power" had apparently reached a natural end (when don Juan left the world), he contrived a way to spin off a bunch more books by accessing buried memories of "the left side." In my opinion there is nothing in the books themselves that suggests such a subterfuge. Some people argue that the books declined in quality after Tales of Power, and that this substantiates the idea that Castaneda was making it all up, but this might be circular logic: the later books contain more outlandish and unbelievable accounts, therefore they are of lesser quality, therefore the accounts can't be true. But since, in the later books, Castaneda is describing his experiences in the second attention, that would account for their increased outlandishness. To my mind, and with The Art of Dreaming as a curious exception, Castaneda's works continued to astonish, and even surpass themselves, with each subsequent volume.

[2] In an email to me, Castaneda's wife Amy Wallace wrote: "Carlos agreed with Osho, by the way, and said ‘99% of everything I say and write is bullshit.'" I wondered if that statement was included in the ninety-nine percent.

[3] In The Eagle's Gift, Castaneda describes when he starts to access memories of "the left side" (second attention) through dreaming, and how he has a choice either to witness the dream/memory from the outside, as if it were happening to someone else (his past self), or entering into the dream-memory, and reliving it from the inside.

[4] Since Carlos was privy to the inner workings of the sorcerers' world, he was obliged to carry experiences which he could share with no one, not even his readership. Since he would have been unable to comprehend much of the knowledge he had been granted, being so far beyond his experience, he wouldn't have been able to write about it either, so it was solely for him. This is why it is essential that, whatever else, the messenger must not allow his experiences -- neither the honor nor the nigh-unbearable pressure of being chosen as divine emissary -- to go to his head. To do so proves fatal, in one way or another. The temptation to succumb to a sense of power and uniqueness is one that all extraordinary individuals have to face, and overcome, in lieu of being corrupted. That temptation becomes especially great when, as an extraordinary individual, they are marginalized by ordinary people, shunned. Prophets tended to be thought insane, and so they often wound up that way. The combination of exposure to divine knowledge with frustration, anger, and despair in the face of a world's incomprehension and indifference often leads to self-righteous aloofness and superiority. Likewise, the traumatic effects of revelation combined with a complete lack of support from one's fellow men is likely to drive such an individual into psychotic delusions of grandeur. The only way for the messenger to withstand the pressure and not wind up half-mad with paranoia and megalomania (two symptoms exhibited by Castaneda in his final years) is to constantly remind himself that he is only a messenger. As a carrier of information, he has neither the power nor responsibility to create (or even interpret) the message. His only task to deliver it faithfully and withdraw.

[5] By which time, Castaneda was reputedly working on a novel about his alleged stint as a government assassin, but was too ill and deranged to come up with anything coherent. The decline of his sanity and writing capacity is evinced by the relatively poor quality of writing in The Art of Dreaming, his last book to be released while he was alive. The Active Side of Infinity, the final book in the series, maintained the high literary standard of his other books, but was released after his death. Since the book contains "sensitive" material -- autobiographical details about Castaneda, and the revelation of "the sorcerers' topic of topics (the flyer mind)" -- it's possible it was written some years before Castaneda died, with a stipulation to publish only after his departure.

 

Image by Kevin Cochran, courtesy of Creative Commons license. 

Comments

Elegant Recapitulation!

This article, Aeolus, is an elegant recapitulation! Bravo! The perfect gift for a warrior is to simultaneously believe and disbelieve. The warrior’s path, however, cannot be reasoned out and rationalized, for then, it merely becomes another trap of attention. This or that. It seems that you are fully aware of the freedom of this path, as well as the pitfalls. I wonder what it is that has caused you to doubt and question your own path to freedom? I also wonder how, as a warrior, you can be so rigid in your three “and three alone“ basic options for a warrior and other inflexible statements? Sounds like rhetoric. What changed for you?

This silent knowledge, which you cannot describe, is, of course, intent –the spirit, the abstract. Man’s error was to want to know it directly, the way he knew everyday life. The more he wanted, the more ephemeral it became. Man gave up silent knowledge for the world of reason. The more he clings to the world of reason, the more ephemeral intent becomes.” – The Power of Silence

doubt has set me free

Do you perceive something wrong with doubting and questioning the path to freedom?

 

 

Clarity

I was very clear or so I thought. I was not percieving anything wrong, in fact I said "the perfect gift for a warrior is to simultaneously believe and disbelieve". Doubt and question!

I asked you a question, I was not accusing you of anything. "I wonder what it is that has caused you to doubt and question your own path to freedom." No blame, no accusation. A very straight-forward question ~ warrior to warrior. What changed?

truth loves a vacuum

there may be too many factors for me to answer that straight-forward question, much as I'd like to, because it wasn't a rapid change but a gradual one. 

The dream recounted in part two was certainly one factor. My experiences with a sorcerer-guru in Canada was another major one. Two long term relationships that started out as destiny and ended up as ill-fated. In short, life slowly removed the stars from my eyes and over the past year I have ended up in a place of doubting everything, because of doubting my own capacity to determine what is true or real. Relating to that is a massive susceptiblity to the influence of teachers/writers whom I perceive as wiser or more powerful or "connected" than myself. 

Maybe the main thing was realizing that one can't "do" one's way to freedom, and that freedom as a goal or even a path inevitably leads to "doing." That creates a vacuum and for the rational mind, a vacuum (unknowing) is very much like doubt, and even cynicism - which of course are just more doings.

 

It's all Ephemeral

Thank you for your honesty. Doubting your own capacity to determine what is true or real is the ultimate paradox of the dedicated warrior. There is really nothing more to do than to just keep dancing! Vaya bien.

 

Truth is whatever you can dance to!

 I couldn't agree more.

Solo hay el baile

 : D 

 

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Castanedas legacy

Mwatcher8

I agree that Castaneda was picked to publish this knowledge because of his writing ability.One way to investigate this body of work is to use the classic shamanic journey as taught by Michael Harner and others, or perhaps remote veiwing. The results may prove more interesting, as I have found, rather than endless speculation. Find your own truth. 

Supernatural Trickster

Apparently there are library slips from a California University (UC Davis, maybe?) that show Castaneda checking out books on shamanism and eastern mysticism during the time when he claims to have made the trip to Oaxaca. This, to me, is a "smoking gun". Also the fact that only Carlos' first book, The Teachings of Don Juan, has any legitimate anthropological data at the end of it, whereas the later books do not, and the fact that the books became increasingly unbelievable over time leads me to think that unfortunately his story is not true in the sense that he actually lived out those events.

Nonetheless I do hold his books as being supremely important, and I would even go so far as to say they changed my life, being one of my early introductions to concepts of shamanism.

Like any good fiction, you can find a deep spiritual message in the details if you look. Personally I don't care much that the stories are probably false. For me that doesn't really diminish the value of the teachings.

Hilarious that Jason cites

Hilarious that Jason cites Osho as a means to expedite the blatantly fake Castaneda. Mehta, Gita (1994), Karma Cola: Marketing the Mystic East Gita Mehta's expose book on Osho is a must read -- the U.S. state department routinely shipped victims of Osho's liberation techniques straight to psych wards stateside. Ah but then some people more easily drink the kool-aid, as Alex Constantine reveals about Osho: "The Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Movement: In 1985 the Portland Oregonian published a 36-part, book-length series linking the cult to opium trafficking, prostitution, money laundering, arson, slave labor, mass poisonings, illegal wiretaps and the stockpiling of guns and biochemical warfare weapons. The year-long Oregonian investigation revealed cult ties to CIA-trained mercenaries in El Salvador and the Far East. Domestically, Rajneesh's secret police force worked with Agency operatives." http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html So the BBC documentary expose on Castaneda that I posted before is quite clear that Castaneda was not some truth-seeker hiding as a trickster but rather a manipulative con-artist parasitizing off people's innocence. Unfortunately this is an all-too common phenomenon these days not even worth focusing on, as it's an energy parasitism, with words being a too superficial medium to solve the problem. haha.

speaking of dodgy sources

It's an unwatchably poor, paltry documentary, IMO. As for Osho, what he said was of interest and relevance, and can stand apart from who he was. I wasn't citing him as an authority on truth - something Drew seems to believe he's cornered the market on. ;)

let's give this up

I think it is time to give up this Castaneda nonsense.

You seem to start down that path yet you conclude taking much of it seriously at the end.

Castaneda, it appears, invented most of what he wrote by combining parts of Eastern philosophy, Gurdjieff, various martial arts, ethnographic accounts, and perhaps a little bit of actual experience. He may have started with some real anthropological research that he embellished perhaps with only the more modest ambition of obtaining a PhD. However, when the books began to sell and the money roll in, he was forced to invent more and more. As each successive book came out I became less and less convinced of the genuineness of what I was reading. Now I can't see a great deal of difference between Castaneda and the infamous case of T. Lobsang Rampa except perhaps Castaneda's yarns are better written and he somehow managed to gather a small secretive group of followers.

You could argue that even if Castaneda made it all up, what's the harm? At one time I thought these little fictions were okay. They were very entertaining and the thoughts and philosophy seemed to have some value and apparently still do so for many people. Lately I have begun to doubt that. For one thing, it is hard to start from the basis of falsehood and derive something of value. You can say "I am going to tell a bunch of stories to illustrate my philosophy" but that wouldn't be falsehood - the reader would know he is reading stories. Castaneda gave no indication what he was writing was largely invented. People believed the fictions. Groups of Castaneda inspired people descended on Huichol people with predictable consequences. Castaneda's fictions are about native Americans. His fictions not only misrepresent legitimate native American healers but they also cause a grave injustice to those traditions. Several members of the Castaneda inner circle which had all the characteristics of a cult have committed suicide. This isn't really harmless.

Go to this site

http://www.sustainedaction.org/

For a better perspective on Castaneda.

Jim Cross

http://www.broadspeculations.com

Jason implies that I'm

Jason implies that I'm selling something -- but I've made a point not to sell anything. haha. I do though regularly recommend qigong master Chunyi Lin for his phone healings == $90 http://springforestqigong.com Chunyi Lin just had the Mayo Clinic doctors prove his qi transmission heal chronic pain not treatable by Western medicine!! Chunyi Lin has, with this new study, over-turned Western science and materialism. Conclusions: "Subjects with chronic pain who received external qigong experienced reduction in pain intensity following each qigong treatment. This is especially impressive given the long duration of pain (>5 years) in the most of the participants," writes lead author Ann Vincent, MD, MBBS, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota. http://www.springforestqigong.com/medical_research.htm Of course PZ Myers the "top" science blogger has denounced Spring Forest Qigong as fake -- even though PZ Myers is a professor at the U of MN but refuses to call Chunyi Lin for a phone healing! haha. Meanwhile Chunyi Lin has a successful healing center and has taught the Mayo clinic doctors how to do qigong healing. Just check out the amazing testimonials -- people have been healed of serious diseases like late-term cancer, M.S., Parkinsons, epilepsy. One person had a rare lung disease that the Mayo Clinic said needed a lung transplant -- and she was on oxygen 24 hours constantly. After eight weeks of Spring Forest Qigong she went off her oxygen tank and even her scar tissue on her lungs is gone!! Completely healed. The local news covered it in Minnesota: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVhZ0dteLU4 I asked Daniel Pinchbeck and his publisher Mitch Horowitz to investigate Chunyi Lin but Daniel just said that if he moved to Minnesota then he would train with Chunyi Lin. But no more -- everyone can get a phone healing and I just had my first phone healing from Chunyi Lin a week ago. It feels like a laser inside your body!! Go for it and have a life changing experience!! Take care everyone and thanks to the real spiritual masters. Chunyi Lin went seven weeks in full lotus yoga position in a cave in China -- the whole time taking no food, no water and no sleep. http://qigongmaster.com If you want to study the details of how this works then study this book -- full free online: http://www.mediafire.com/?1owotofjjzr "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" translated by Charles Luk.

Secret Sufi Teaching

Drew,

Get off the internet and find a girlfriend. And get some food, water and sleep.

You'll thank me later.

a true mystery

When I first began reading CC I was also reading a lot of literature, poetry, and bit later magic realism.So my experience of C was tempered by my other reading.I was drawn to CC but it was not a separate reality from some of the other stuff, as it were.In other words I was not more drawn to CC then other stuff, it just sort of became blended with what I was reading at the time, like Burroughs, or Rimbaud. However, at that time I was becoming to drawn to surrealism, and my entry point for it, was the American surrealist Philip Lamantia, who inspired Ginsberg and Kerouac to some extent.I liked reading Castaneda but because of my interest in surrealism, all that sorcery stuff seemed a little forced, ah, as Philip would maybe have said "its commercial"I don't want to put words into Philip's mouth, but I did talk to him a few times briefly.I don't know what Philip thought of Castaneda,or if he ever even read any of it, but I know he was very influenced by Andre' Breton, who explored deeply into that what he called "pure psychic automatism"- automatic writing-stream of consciousness, and so on.

If somebody reads the Manifestos of Surrealism, with the kind of intent that they read Castaneda, they would find some real gems of insight, however Breton did not have the commercial success that CC did.Breton did not become a "new age-ish"like "cult" following, he was into what he called "the complete occultation of surrealism". So far as I know, nobody ever really expanded on what Breton thought what he meant by that.For me it did become a kind of occultation, in that like Castaneda who used the"assemblage point" point of departure, which itself was occulted in his mysterious story style.We are speaking of the journey, of the entry point to that "other" that was depicted by Breton and Paul Eluard in a photograph in the 20's of Andre' and Paul, "passing to the other side" This longing to enter into a "separate reality" through "occultation" by means, various techniques, writing style, art, music, magic-k, or sorcery, are immediately stood up against all the external image of art , poetry, magick ect.Castaneda, is an enigma to some, he is a con-artist to others, however his life seemed to walk a strange combo of farce, force, and flim-flamery, and art for art's sake? I too read Nietzsche to relax my mind so as to get a better view of what he thought about"Will to Power", which can only be groked by what he connected it to by way of the "Eternal Return of the Same".

And by extension we can grok what Crowley meant by true will and so then by "the pit of because".Is this also Nietzsche's peek a boo with the abyss, which he was clever towarn us that it would peek a boo back? Or again is this what it takes to be a damn good writer of philosophy, or poetry, or for that matter Castaneda's almost too clever writing style, that only he could do.But with Castaneda, his life seemed to become too wrapped up with his own disguise, his persona was telling itself that he could outwit, the commercial interests, with the "complete occultation" which he really could not quite complete. Just as there is not a whole new generation of people that are taken with Andre' Breton's Manifestos of Surrealism,( I wonder if those masks that people are wearing to the occypy are not a little Breton-ish.) I wonder if Breton came closer...to the other side...if only because he expelled everybody before they left the surrealist group.Only somebody that understood Breton, would understand his motives, yet all this passed a point of assemblage, before anyone could fix that point in time.

Yes to Breton

He was a major influence in my 20s, at the very start of my internet writing career. See here: 

http://web.archive.org/web/20000303005635/http://www.wynd.org/3.html 

 

www.aeoluskephas.blogspot.com

Crowley was a big fake. I

Crowley was a big fake. I know Jason likes Crowley as well -- it's worse than a joke. Gurdjieff outed Crowley as a fake: http://www.lumen.org/intros/intro20.html To Aleister Crowley, for example, who came to the Prieure for help with his drug addiction, Gurdjieff showed all due consideration - until Crowley was about to leave. "Mister, you go?" Gurdjieff inquired. Crowley assented. "You have been guest?" - a fact which the visitor could hardly deny. "Now you go, you are no longer guest?" Crowley - no doubt wondering whether his host had lost his grip on reality and was wandering in a semantic wilderness - humored his mood by indicating that he was on his way back to Paris. But Gurdjieff, having made the point that he was not violating the canons of hospitality, changed on the instant into the embodiment of righteous anger. "You filthy," he stormed, "you dirty inside! Never again you set foot in my house!" . . . Whitefaced and shaking, the Great Beast crept back to Paris with his tail between his legs.22 Amusing as it is, this incident also displays some of the problems one faces when trying to make sense of Gurdjieff. More so, perhaps, than any other mage of our time, he seems to have been operating under premises that were obscure or difficult for the ordinary person to sort out - in this comparatively simple case, the obligations of hospitality versus his dislike and distrust for Crowley. As for his larger aims, which could tell us something about the direction of his Work and what he hoped to accomplish with it, we have little if any idea. (He himself told Ouspensky, "My aim cannot have any meaning for you.")23 Colin Wilson points out his book The Occult that Gurdjieff would give females orgasms at a distance -- as detailed in Rom Landau's book God is My Adventure. Colin Wilson then states that even Crowley, the supposed sex magic master, did not have this ability. Well guess what -- even I have this ability for the "O at a Ds" as I call them. But when I asked qigong master Chunyi Lin if it is was o.k. that when I transmitted energy to females there was bliss -- he said that is o.k. but unless I store the energy in my lower tan tien then the transmissions will be weak. I realize that giving females climaxes -- having psychic mutual climaxes with females is a "weak" transmission compared to my earlier qigong abilities ten years ago. But again even Crowley was not able to do these orgasms at a distance yet people still think Crowley is some sort of guru. haha. What a pathetic joke, as Gurdjieff exposed.

right

if Gurdjieff said so, because there are so many people that grok Gurjieff, and if Colin Willson said so, and everybody knows that Colin would not make things to fit his own agenda, yatta yatta.I guess my point, is that you perceive what you are ready to perceive, that is why not many people cannot talk about Castaneda other then to gush that they got that rare knowledge he was all about, or to call him a fake.But one cannot compare him to say, Crowley, because he came before, "new age"became a household word, and when psychedelics were just becoming available to a lot of young people.A.C. sort of paved the way for people to be more brave about taking these mind expanding substances.So, regardless, I don't think you can call Castaneda a fake exactly, Castaneda was his own creation, he was a writer of some darn interesting books, even if you just call them shaman mystery novels.And by the same logic, you cannot call Crowley a fake, because there is nothing to compare him to.Even so he was a master of illusion, of course Gurdjeiff had to look like he was the only master.It is more a joke to pretend that anyone knows otherwise.I'm just saying, that to take literally what you read of these exchanges is nothing to laugh about.I personally would never make that mistake, because, just as I would never presume to make pronouncements about such affairs, I can only hope to glean some little gem of insight that falls from the language that some of these writers use.When I use to read Andre' Breton for instance, I always felt that he had lovely thoughts, as far as Crowley is concerned, he is more an acquired taste, I once saw a signed copy of Gems of the Equinox, in which he wrote, something to the person he was giving the book to, to come over and try some of his "hot curry", if you like hot curry then maybe you would like reading what mister Crowley has to cook up for you.

Crowley worse than confused

Crowley, worse than confused, has become the basis for mass disinformation about spirituality, as Professor Hugh B. Urban exposes: http://www.esoteric.msu.edu/VolumeV/Unleashing_the_Beast.htm But as I hope to show, although Crowley did know a fair amount about Hatha Yoga, Raja Yoga and other Indian religious practices, he does not appear to have known much about Tantra. What he did know seems to have come through secondary, superficial and often highly distorted sources that are deeply colored by the Victorian Orientalist biases of the 19th century. Nonetheless, not long after Crowley's death, Tantra would soon become largely confused in the Western popular imagination with Crowleyian-style sex magic. Ironically, despite his general ignorance about the subject, and arguably without ever intending to do so, Crowley would become a key figure in the transformation and often gross mis-interpretation of Tantra in the West, where it would become increasingly detached form its cultural context and increasingly identified with sex. Finally, in part because of this equation of Tantra and sexual magic, Crowley has also been one of the most influential figures in the revival of magic and a variety of alternative religions at the turn of the new millennium. Much of the literature now being sold under the titles of "Tantra" and "sex magic", I would argue, is largely the fusion (and perhaps hopeless confusion) of Indian Tantra with Crowleyian magic. [9]

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A long time ago, I read most of Castaneda, and tried to live according to what I read. But I stopped reading him, and his influence waned. I told myself then, that I had lost the path - that, if I am paraphrasing correctly, "the eagle only comes once in a man's life." I thought the path was no longer for me. With time, I thought perhaps I stopped because I did not trust him; and though I nearly lost myself, I found myself on the path again, not the path of Castaneda, but my own. I am very glad you are writing, Aeolus Kephas. You help clarify things. www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

thanks

that provides a glimpse of the dharma of writing, for me, beyond the mere compulsion/distraction of it

i'm sorry

Who is so confused? Yeah, a lot of people, including people who obsess over the difference.This is not knowledge, it is confusing apples with oranges.Sex is always identified with sex, it doesn't take a rocket in the pocket scientist to figure that out.No, if you want to become some tantric adept, then you prolly would not look into Crowley sex magick, not that there is not some similarity after all, Crowley explored what he explored.But, how did we get off into this track, I was only attempting to apply the language that people like Crowley or Castaneda use, to talk about such profound subjects.As Aeolus used, as I don't think he only wants to talk about Castaneda, but that he regards certain aspects of the phenomena surrounding Castaneda as leading into another area that he wants to illuminate better.

So you're in Mpls but ignore

So you're in Mpls but ignore Chunyi Lin? haha. I've read your permaculture blog -- great stuff. But still the youth are too easily dragged along by "trendy" info when you can be experiencing the real deal so easily! Spring Forest Qigong has free information sessions at Normandale -- where the classes are taught. Check out these testimonials -- this healer is awesome and if you get a phone healing it feels like a laser in your body! haha. http://www.springforestqigong.com/testimonials.htm Actually qigong master Jim Nance was trained by Chunyi Lin -- he had to sit in full lotus two hours non-stop every night, with no breaks. He said his training was like Carlos Castaneda's books and Jim Nance wanted me to help him write his memoir of how he became a qigong master. I knew Castaneda's books were fake but I didn't say anything because anthropologist Robert Needham made a great point about Castaneda's ethnographic fraud: http://aotcpress.com/articles/fieldworks-fictions/ The Teachings of Don Juan plunders Zen in the Art of Archery, which in turns borrows from Lichtenberg’s aphorisms and the Zen masters. Behind Castaneda lies Herrigel, and behind Herrigel Suzuki, like the Kwakiutl mask within a mask within a mask that Needham’s argument uses as a brilliant foil. So William in Minneapolis -- you are so close to a real master! I hope you take a Spring Forest Qigong class through Normandale or get a phone healing -- it feels like a laser. Chunyi Lin can see inside your body. If you do the training then it can get real wild real fast.

Healed of Epilepsy -- right

Healed of Epilepsy -- right in the Twin Cities Minnesota! a REAL spiritual master training others to be spiritual masters!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerE0BXoq5E

C'MON HEMPEL

hey c'mon hempel, your mouth is full of shit -- i knew recently a woman who recovered only after the MD's tricked her to gull a sugar-pill that was offered as a potentially mortal experimental drug; OK that was a FAKE that worked, and that's the trickster realm, and i thought you read "The Trickster and the Paranormal" and had appreciated that fakery goes hand with hand with that; so you call yourself a trickster (and a fool of good and everything!) and you can't appreciate the art of fakery? you're a cologne-smelling shit of a trickster!! -- so you know what's the real deal? there's no real deal you sucker!! there's only--how did you call that?--"female formless awareness" ... OK, but i guess you must go beyond words ... OK I'M MORE ENLIGHTENED AND MORE WISER THAN YOU EVER WILL BE! Rev JFK Tadeus Sporadic Omniscience Church

yes, but

please do not feed the trolls

troll feeding is sacramental to SOC

Sporadic Omniscience Church is troll-friendly and shit-throwing endorser ... it keeps the lasagna flying! :D

art of stalking

Perhaps Castaneda could not in the end erase his personal history because he could not stop writing,( and in his case from what I remember in the books he was constantly writing notes.) and by writing he was seeking an audience and this would affirm the personal identity and ensure the continuation of the internal dialogue, (the cessation of which would stop the world) and in a sense it is the internal dialogue which is the evasion or excuse that keeps us from peace. Why the need for an audience? Why the need to be seen, be known, what is the primary objective behind writing, I like the idea that it is an undoing or deconstruction of oneself. Like stalking?

'An impeccable stalker can turn anything into prey. We can even stalk our own weaknesses. You do it in the same way you stalk prey. You figure out your routines until you know all the doing of your weaknesses and then you come upon them and pick them up like rabbits inside a cage.'- Carlos Castaneda

This seems to relate to what I'm picking up so far from your podcasts, is that by noticing (or stalking?) one's metta narrative which comes in the form of symbolic messages or synchronicities, you can notice your patterns and perhaps start to deconstruct them by writing about them, becoming consciously aware of them. But this writing can become an attachment. Perhaps the eagle rejects the internal dialogue, so there has to be a constant rebooting back to the primary source of consciousness in order to get by him.

d'oh! hari kari by pen....

That's a mighty fine point and one that I am concerned I may fall on one day. 

The writing part isn't absolutely necessary - as CC wrote, you could do it with your finger. There's something about externalizing experiences so as to see the larger context of narrative, outside the "I," that can be liberating; but the flipside/danger is that like CC we create a new fictional I and I-dentify with that instead?

Writing to retrain/silence the internal dialogue is like fighting fire with fire...

 

'There's something about

'There's something about externalizing experiences so as to see the larger context of narrative, outside the "I," that can be liberating; but the flipside/danger is that like CC we create a new fictional I and I-dentify with that instead?'

 Yes, I was trying to understand Jake Kotze's idea of synchromysticism, whereby they seem to note synchronicity only as a means of recognising the non local mind ...rather than noting synchronicity and then creating a story or meaning around it, or rather the meaning is seen as secondary.

Writing

Writing is an impeccable form of recapitulation and method for erasing personal history. Writing from the "second attention" presents "new" concepts and ideas and writing them down is the recapitulation of these ideas. It is, for a warrior, a very energetically efficient way to recapitulate in the moment. Castaneda was not the idiot so many presume him to be. He wrote about cutting edge stuff that too few people are willing to acknowledge as valid because they are trapped within "the mold of man" and do not dare to walk to the edge of the precipice. It's amazing to see how many people have used Castaneda's material and concepts in movies and books and spiritual endeavors. And yet, no one gives credit to Castaneda because they don't want the fall-out that is evidenced here. That's okay though because Castaneda wouldn't have wanted all the attention. ~ Keep Dancing!

George Lucas

did give credit to Carlos for the idea of "the force"

Honor and respect

The brilliance of a warrior’s life, no matter which discipline of the warrior that we follow, is that death is a constant and daily reminder of the wonder, beauty and awe of being alive. From there, the warrior explores with the same commitment to life, any pathway that meets his interest. When CC came through my awareness, the recovery from ancient belief systems was propelling me through a series of inquiries into all the philosophies of life. Never again a hook line and sinker person, CC provided me with a great way to walk the desert and see more than my filters were keeping me from seeing. As growth and maturity occurred, the lines into many philosophies being explored, I found the roots of CC academic research throughout the panoply of human awareness in esoteric texts of the world religions and shamanism. But this further confirmed to me his brilliance… not undermined his authority. He is, was and always will be an artist. And this confirmed for me that the true warrior becomes an artist of their lives, a creator. I could not throw the baby out with the bathwater, no matter how muddy some of those stories were. Rather, through successive reading, I became more and more committed to being a warrior and artist of awareness on a path of freedom… not a “Castenedian”, not a follower, not a believer. Beliefs are fallacies, direct experience and knowledge can open one to deeper abstractions and we can so easily get lost in the metaphor… the story distracts our attention while shifting our assemblage point. The left hand does not now what the right hand is doing… Slap! So many people get lost in the finger as the masters point at the moon. The wonder and awe was the point, not the finger. CC is an amazing finger. It is up to each person to follow their own path of questioning, applying the principles found there, and through to the inevitable conclusion of one’s own life path. As a warrior, I honor those that came before, have needed to take everything apart and reassemble it, take actions, make choices, fail and succeeed. Doubt is a necessary part of belief… Knowledge is beyond. We have an opportunity to read fiction or fact in any text as we wish. It is what we choose to do with it, that will determine our joys or our pains around a path well walked.

Thank you for this great recapitulatory journey... Well done!

Storyteller

Interesting article, and well-written. Thanks for sharing it with us here on RS.

As a young man in the early seventies, experimenting with pyschedelics, entheogens and in general beginning to deal with my own conditioning, Castaneda was a powerful influence. At the about the same time, I was introduced to Buddhism by a friend who was studying with Chogyam Trungpa. To me, they were both talking about the same thing - the nature of consciousness and subjective experience, and the extent to which experience is affected by the conditioned self/ego, and what to do about it. As my Yuhicha friends are fond of saying: the story is the same story. (Followed by the inevitable admonishment: "don't get beside the point", by which they mean "don't confuse metaphors with experience" - or with Truth, for that matter.)

Castaneda offered a fresh perspective; he cast the story in new metaphors. That don Juan himself may have been one of those metaphors is not the point.

I think the man was a genius; that he may have also been something of a scoundrel is also not the point.

The Ultimate Recapitulation

If you have read the Castaneda books and  have succeeded in connecting to the energy behind the words without reason,  ration and judgement, you will know when you read Encounters by the Nagual by “Armando Torres” that this book was  really written by Castaneda. It is the ultimate recapitulation of his life. The  first line of the introduction says it all

My  name is Armando Torres. I have written this book in order to complete a task  that was assigned to me years ago.

http://thetoltecpath.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/nagual.pdf

don't confuse metaphors with experience

Interesting stuff on shamanic culture, Aeolus. I have a comment on the "Eagle" Archetype - how that played out for me - starting w/your quote and a preface:

 ^^

 "The goal of the Universe ("Eagle") is to create perfect vessels for its awareness to reside in: the awareness of the Universe, as opposed to the personal Self."

 Many years ago I read one Castaneda book and actually liked it since it had many elements which matched my own subjective experiences during lucid dreaming states. My kid-self figured out how to fly, and how to stand on air! As for my own "shamanic" adventures? = It happens all the time (without any whatsoever mind-altering substances).

^^

 If interested, www.spiritspeaks-theofilia.blogspot.com blog entry from May 29/2010 called "Many Majestic Eagles Circle the Earth" (which the mystic in me saw in a Vision that day) where I riff on how the Eagle Archetype introduced itself to me and my reaction, many moons ago.

^^

Eagles circle the Earth way above derogatory name-calling, way above any feeling of superiority. We circle WITH all Life. (how is that possible?) ----I know, because my Bliss-body is always on, always spinning at high (Crown chakra) altitude -- not unlike the archetypal, as well as the 'real' Eagle who circles above the Earth's surface. ^ I once met face-to-face my 'Bald Eagle' Self...I watched Her descent and marvelled at its Beauty. She landed directly before me (on the sidewalk). We peered deeply, lovingly, into each other's eyes. . .She had my face, my green eyes. Such Tender moment! But I allowed Her to walk away, because I knew better! I knew even then that my Real Self belongs to the realm beyond all images. If I wasn't versed in reading Archetypes I would get stuck in relishing the idea that my Power Animal is the bestest of 'em all! I could have set up shop and channel Her and make tons of money, but that would abort my Ascent to the Real Absolute Spirit (on the 'embodied' level).

No -- George Lukas got the

No -- George Lukas got the "force" from when George Lukas traveled to China and met real qigong masters! As I stated Rodney Needham proved in a great detail that Castaneda directly forged the book Zen in the Art of Archery. O.K. so while we're discussing FAKE spiritual leaders that are all favorites of Jason: Osho, Crowley, Castaneda -- let's move on to Herrigel, the FORGED source of Castaneda's work. Yes Herrigel, author of Zen in the Art of Archery, the main foundation for Castaneda's "authentic" teachings....was a Nazi. http://books.google.com/books?id=MCaf86Fg4GEC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=Exempl... Shots in the dark: Japan, Zen, and the West By Shōji Yamada, As the author points out Herrigel's being a Nazi goes against the Buddhist teachings he aspired to -- and the same can be said of Castaneda -- not just a fake but an evil fake.

Now Chogyam Trungpa --

Now Chogyam Trungpa -- another FAKE spiritual master spreading evil.... Excerpts from Stripping the Guru. Sex, Violence, Abuse and Enlightenment.....a much overdue and critical look at "Enlightened Masters" just released: http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/trungpa.asp .... Trungpa had the couple forcibly stripped by his henchmen—against the protests of both Dana and one of the few courageous onlookers, who was punched in the face and called a “son of a bitch” by Trungpa himself for his efforts. “Guards dragged me off and pinned me to the floor,” [Dana] wrote in her account of the incident.... “I fought and called to friends, men and women whose faces I saw in the crowd, to call the police. No one did.... [One devotee] was stripping me while others held me down. Trungpa was punching [him] in the head, urging him to do it faster. The rest of my clothes were torn off.” “See?” said Trungpa. “It’s not so bad, is it?” Merwin and Dana stood naked, holding each other, Dana sobbing (Miles, 1989). Finally, others stripped voluntarily and Trungpa, apparently satisfied, said “Let’s dance” (Marin, 1995). “And so they did.” To be part of Trungpa’s inner circle, you had to take a vow never to reveal or even discuss some of the things he did. This personal secrecy is common with gurus, especially in Vajrayana Buddhism. It is also common in the dysfunctional family systems of alcoholics and sexual abusers. This inner circle secrecy puts up an almost insurmountable barrier to a healthy skeptical mind.... [T]he vow of silence means that you cannot get near him until you have already given up your own perception of enlightenment and committed yourself to his (Butterfield, 1994). http://zbohy.zatma.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/mzs/sex.html If this were not enough of an assault on Buddhism, and it certainly should have been, Trungpa appointed Osel Tendzin as his successor in 1976. We can conclude this regrettable chapter in Naropa's history by referring to a March 6, l989 Newsweek article: Tendzin (American Thomas Rich of Passaic, New Jersey) "acknowledged that he contracted the AIDS virus four years ago but continued to have sex with some male members of the church." Newsweek quotes him as confessing to his congregation, "Thinking that I had some extraordinary means of protection, I went ahead with my business as if something would take care of it."

Jason is wrong again....

As I stated George Lucas got "the force" from qigong -- not from Carlos Castaneda. http://sites.google.com/site/taoismnet/home/supplement/article-list/tao-... The Star Wars series is a classical warrior story, but it's not generic. The movies were specifically modelled on Taoism with special emphasis on Taoist Chi Kung training and philosophy. A mentor of mine, a very old Taoist master, was friends with the late Joseph Campbell, who was an adviser to George Lucas, and they discussed the movies together. My mentor revealed that prior to the last three movies, a group of Taoists guided Lucas away from the Campbellism of the earlier three, and so the later movies more accurately portray the ways of the Taoist schools of cultivation, but that the earlier ones are better at portraying some of the training methods.

http://art-energy.org/aboutqi

http://art-energy.org/aboutqigong.html One of the best definitions of Qi is “The Force” in the Star Wars series. Obi-Wan Kenobi says it is "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." The Force is life, and life is the Force. Some think of the Force as a sentient entity that may be capable of intelligent thought—almost as if it were God; others just manipulate and use it as a tool for their own purposes. (George Lucas has Obi-Wan's teacher named Qui-Gon Jinn in other words: "Qi Gong Genie.")

5 May 2008 13:59 Chris |

5 May 2008 13:59 Chris | Martial Development said... Dr. Aust: as a matter of fact, they are! One of this man's students claims to have shared his master's incredible Qigong story with George Lucas. Lucas rejected it, and then borrowed elements of it for his Star Wars prequels. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:r8n3IDr0QQYJ:hawk-h...

why drew hempel wants the sandwich all for himself

Question: does anyone know the genus of the bug which crawled up drew hempel's backside? Drew can find plenty of accounts of how GL was inspired by CC (specifically Tales of Power) on line if he wants to (eg. http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/000_access_FORCE.html ), but due to whatever strange rectal life form has taken residence within him, he's much more interested in proving me wrong (again), regardless of how trivial and throwaway a point (someone tell drew I'm not a fan of GL OR AC, and definitely not Osho!).

Not to be impolite, but isn't it pretty obvious to everyone at RS (and RI, and perhaps everywhere else that drew and his butt-tunneling companion frequent) that drew hempel (and/or his insectoid implant) considers himself an uber-shaman, tantric master, and qi-gong jedi knight cum leonard cohen ladies man (check out his website: "Remote Orgasms R Us" for the full story), and that, because of that firm and feisty persuasion, he is compulsively driven to try and undermine anyone who poses a threat - in his mind and/or butt - to the maintenance of that snug little hempel reality tunnel - CC and now apparently AK included.

Someone tell drew he's a genius, for Sith's sake!

www.aeoluskephas.blogspot.com

Wow Jason you actually

Wow Jason you actually replied to the substance of my comment -- I guess you didn't have a choice. haha. Let's see what you bring up for evidence. The link you provide starts with a highly questionable statement: "INTRODUCTION: In 1960, an anthropology student named Carlos Castaneda was to meet an individual who would change his life forever. This individual was named Don Juan Matus, and their association was to be documented over the course of many books." http://the-wanderling.com/don_juan.html The in-depth details as to whether Don Juan Matus actually existed. O.K. -- Jason you said that BBC documentary expose on Castaneda was not worthy of your stamp of approval -- but let's at least provide a link to the BBC documentary so that anyone here who watches it will notice how blatantly obvious it is that Castaneda was evil. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8575648331106173390 Now let's look at how much Carlos Castaneda actually influenced George Lucas, compared to qigong masters -- Lucas read about "life force" in Castaneda. Yeah but as I've pointed out Castaneda directly lifted "life force" from Zen in the Art of Archery. So the real validity of Castaneda is that he forged a Nazi who was trying to promote Zen. Again anthropologist Rodney Needham exposed this in his book Exemplars. Wow I'm glad to hear you're not a "fan" of AC, GL or Osho -- although it sounds like semantics to me. Calling yourself "not a fan" doesn't really limit yourself does it -- you could be anything else but a fan for I'll I know. Seriously though instead of people wasting their times of FAKE spiritual leaders let's consider some REAL spiritual masters. As I've pointed out qigong master Chunyi Lin is one of them. Another is John Chang. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8 So there's a plethora of REAL spiritual masters out there but some people are fixated on the fakes. I wonder why? haha.

Hey drew

Perhaps you need to hear, while I am not optimistic that you can, that your words and your attitude do not recommend anything you are telling us. If there had ever been a possibility that I would consider Spring Forest Qigong, or Chunyi Lin, after reading your posts, there is none now. www.offthegridmpls.blogspot.com

William you sound like a

William you sound like a spoiled consumer.  I know your job is to sell things but the Mayo Clinic has verified Chunyi Lin's qigong external energy transmissions are real!!  Who cares what I say or think? haha.  You can ignore the truth of reality if you want and meanwhile ignore the BBC expose of Castaneda as an evil person.

http://www.springforestqigong.com/medical_research.htm

 

Conclusions:

"Subjects with chronic pain who received external qigong experienced reduction in pain intensity following each qigong treatment. This is especially impressive given the long duration of pain (>5 years) in the most of the participants," writes lead author Ann Vincent, MD, MBBS, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota.

People are strange that way - -consider PZ Myers, the top science blogger and a professor at the U of MN -- he claims Spring Forest Qigong is fake but he refuses to investigate for himself!

 

haha.  I've taken on the deniers elsewhere -- why?  Because it's hilarious.  People openly follow fake perv cult leaders like Castaneda and ignore the real spiritual masters.

Here's a couple threads were I take on the deniers -- blatantly ignoring "gold standard" science research!  Why because they can't handle the truth. 

http://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/external-qi-energy-transmission-proven-by-mayo-clinic-and-its-ancient-lineage.8606/

http://anamericanatheist.org/2011/10/29/investigating-woo-spring-forest-qigong-research/

So if a person ignores Spring Forest Qigong -- or say the John Chang qigong tradition -- or say http://qigongmaster.com -- Master  Zhang or say Master Wang, Liping.

Too bad, so sad.  There are people who have figured out that there a real spiritual masters out there and then there's people who think they are Pleiadeans. haha.

William - good luck with your urban permaculture -- I'm glad you kept Minneapolis from taking your house, etc.  

Check out this third grader who sits in full lotus and does external qi healing on his friends -- it was covered in the local news in Minnesota.  Ooops I gues that means you have to ignore it right William? haha.  Please pretend this doesn't exist.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/health/third-grader-heals-friends-wit...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trrrrrrr

What you are doing is called trolling. And it is not due to his being a spoiled consumer but rather that you are both a poor salesman and an asshole. 

Laughter is my value test.

Carlos Castaneda

There really are actual shamans who traverse the other dimensions of reality that invisibly surround us. You can read about their experiences at one of the truly great library systems in the world, the one at the University of California, specifically UC-Davis.

Casteneda's books are probably a distillation of what he read at UC-Davis. It doesn't mean his stories aren't true, just that they didn't personally happen to him.

Lygeia I'm not sure how you

Lygeia I'm not sure how you can say that Castaneda "distilled" something -- have you watched the BBC documentary expose on him?  Castaneda was a perv cult leader causing women to commit suicide. 

so far

I have seen nothing said about CC that I have not seen before, except aeolus's unique approach to the subject, which I will say again, I do not think that he cares that much about the Castaneda legacy, one way or the other.But the key issue seems to be about his own thoughts about the writing itself, how is it that Castaneda could pull off such a colossal hoax, ah, within a hoax.Is it just the subject matter, who's time seemed to synchronize with the rise with all things shamanic? We almost seem to get strange feeling that Carlos was perhaps a front for information that was released by the life force itself.I was going to say the the Castaneda case could be a front for more then just one person, the whole thing plays out into the hands of forces that are not friendly to anything shamanic.Yet we see that language used seems to be an amalgamation of sources that could have been taken from a University library, the inference that invisible "shamanic forces" from other reality dimensions were coming through regardless of Castaneda's will to power.Does it get more convoluted as it goes along? Witness, the rise of "new age-ish" ah, shamanic speak, and yet how many voices do we hear that are actually from the horse's mouth, or shall we say the eagle's beak? A mystery within a mystery? Do we get anywhere nearer to the Nagual? Or are we merely parroting the words of his dummy? If it is too good to be true, then it prolly is not true, we are not looking at the right places, it is not how CC ended up, it is not about any "cult" followers, that mysteriously was used by him for his own base needs, and or who committed suicide, it is about the real message that was hidden in the novel like story, that a few hippies were taken by, and a few others that were influenced by older hippies or parents.Yet, here we are at the 2012 date and people are still arguing about what the real message was, or is, aside from some romantic notions about impeccable warriors.I know, Carlos was so convincing, and he has spawned a whole cottage industry of shaman jargon, and we all were able to pick up the talking crow of this strange new reality, all those interchangeable terms, stalking, assemblage point, and the rest, little smoke to top it off.How it all fits nice and neatly together like pieces of a surreal puzzle, almost too nice and neat.When I began to get into poetry, and into surrealism, there was no nice neat interchangeable parts, one had to find the secret words with in the invisible force, by haphazard falling into the invisible worlds by chance, just like Andre' Breton called it, "objective chance". The entry point was some hidden passage in a poem or a short story, like Borges's Library of Babylon, but even Borges was too slick, Breton always pointed to the mystery of the muse, her name is Nadja, she is the assemblage point into madness.Care to enter? all the language do not fit nice like, you may have to leave your eagle feather at the base of the vase.

round & round

thanks to WT for restoring some sense and sentience to this space, and I would agree that very little new's been said here, and nothing at all by the debunkers, who have just wheeled out the same tired old arguments again, just as if they didn't read my piece, which is no doubt true, because even if their eyes ran over the words and sentences, their minds are already made up so none of it actually made it past their prejudices. Sigh. That is too bad coz it means my piece may be failing so far as what really interests me, which is bridging opposing POVs and reconciling irreconcilable differences. Alas, the CC debunkers mostly seem to lack flexibility or imagination so the idea that dreams might be real or that fact and fiction might overlap in a world shaped by perception is lost on them, which is all very tiresome to have to sink to that level of sap-headed either/or thinking, and the obvious question is, why do they care enough to debunk CC if they're so sure it's all baloney? But even that's not really interesting enough to think about for any longer than it takes to finish this sentence. I'm curious that we have yet to hear from the other wing of the inflexibles - the blind Carlos devotees and wanna-be Toltecs who I know are out there and who I would expect to accuse me of being a debunker for daring to suggest - well whatever, time to board my flight, bye for now. www.aeoluskephas.blogspot.com

I'm all for that but ...

... you must admit calling hempel he's parasited by an insectoid you sound exactly like the dudes who call you a reptilian if you don't buy into his narrative ... (besides giving credence to a belief system and maybe--getting lunatic here--, feeding it) ... it's like people come here and say "yeah, from warrior to warrior and all that" ... not saying hempel isn't a nit-picking-reactionary-shit-thrower-of-(often)valuable information" ... YEAH BUT HEMPEL YOUR SHIT SMELLS LIKE COLOGNE!!!!