Small Moments, Many Times
I co-led a retreat recently with Rabbi David Cooper, who is both a beloved old friend and colleague, as well as a mentor at times. I have been hearing and digesting David's ideas about "life, the universe and everything" for over 20 years, paying very close attention to his gradual unfolding on the spiritual path. Certainly he is one of the few people I know who has gone to even greater extremes than I have in his search for freedom, truth and understanding of this human dilemma.
I have spent over 30 years exploring and diving into nearly every approach to "waking up" that came down the pike, often going to what some would consider great lengths in my quest. But while I was busy traipsing around the globe collecting exotic spiritual experiences, David was mostly being a disciplined meditator, digging one deep well, as it is said, in contrast to my numerous shallow holes. He would often spend between three and six months of each year on silent retreat, sitting on a cushion, and maintaining an unbelievably austere schedule of arising at two or three in the morning and essentially meditating all day until ten at night, then sleeping for perhaps four hours and beginning again. He would maintain this schedule for up to 100 days at a time.
Beyond his commitment to silent sitting practice, David, like me, was also at times drawn to some extreme experiments on his journey: he did what the Tibetan Buddhists call a "dark retreat," which, like it sounds, involves being in an absolutely dark room for extended periods of time; in his case, 23 days. Apparently, all notions of night and day disappear, the boundary between sleeping, waking and dreaming begins to blur, and one discovers the infinite capacity of the mind to create vast worlds that appear as real. David also did a "homeless retreat" on the streets of New York City, in which the participants were instructed to show up with just the clothes on their backs, no money, food or water, and they were set loose to survive in the city for five days, relying on their wits, grace, and the kindness of strangers.
So if anyone can speak about and exemplify the value of genuine, committed spiritual practice and meditation, it is Reb David. He has more than earned his teacher status, and being 14 years my senior, he has also been at it longer than I have, for about 50 years. At our recent retreat together, however, I heard him say something I'd never heard from him before, and it both startled me and shook me up. After delivering an evening talk one night, he concluded by stating, "And this is the best I can offer this lifetime. These are the highest teachings I've come to after 50 years of practice, and I no longer expect to discover anything radically new or different."
I noticed my heart sank and I felt deflated. Despite the fact that all the Zen-ish people are always saying "This is it, there's nothing to get, it's all here now," I never really thought they meant it! Did they really mean this is as good as it gets? Surely they must be referring to some other version of this that will come along some time later, once I really understand that "this is it, here and now." But right now? Certainly this this can't be it! How many of us are hoping to truly be here now someday in the future? When teachers proclaim, "This is it," it always feels as if their version of "this" is somehow magically filled with luminosity, eternity and wonder, whereas our puny, everyday "this," though equally pervaded by the Glory of God, generally appears to us as nothing special, certainly not awe-inspiring, and even boring sometimes.
I asked David to define his version of "This is it," and he wrote back: "THIS (the entire unfolding universe, and everything that is happening in every moment) IS (the divine, extraordinary revelation of) IT (that which the world has sought to understand and attain for thousands of years)!!! And if THIS is truly and deeply grokked on the most essential level, there is nothing more to seek but to look into the mirror and recognize that whatever THIS BEING is seeing is nothing less than the God-ing process before ITS very eyes. (Wow!)"
We all have brief moments of experiencing our lives like that, of breaking through our fog and seeing our present reality (no matter what it is) in all of its hidden splendor. Such inspiring awakenings can occur when witnessing the birth of a child, coming upon an extraordinary vista in nature, experiencing a high after meditating for 20 days, or really anything at all that triggers a spontaneous glimpse of the Vast Silence that we inhabit. Yet we keep bouncing back into the daily humdrum view of life, like a rubber band that is stretched and snaps back to its original form; we always seem to come back to "just this," and it's often a huge disappointment.
That's why I was dejected when I heard David say that what he has already offered as a teacher is as good as it gets. Because I know that he also gets bounced back. In fact, he has advised us to reframe our expectations about attaining some permanent state of enlightenment that never goes away, and to think more along the lines of "Small moments, many times." But most of us persist in hoping for some big, final moment of epiphany from which we never return, saving us at last from this world of suffering and our relentless human minds that seem to be running, and often ruining, our lives.
I've been watching and waiting for David to get enlightened for two decades now, but here he was, announcing an endpoint of some sort, and yet he was still just my old familiar, all-too-human friend-certainly wise, kind, open and loving, but, according to some unexamined criteria of my own, not enlightened. It took the wind out of my sails. What are we seekers doing here, anyway? If David didn't get it-the great and final It--after a gazillion hours on the meditation cushion, what hope is there for us more casual spiritual dilettantes?
I examined my criteria, and what I discovered was that there are, in fact, certain teachers out there who do "measure up" to my strict enlightenment standards, and that I seem to base it on a certain sense of authority that they convey in their tone of voice, in the clarity of their teachings, and in their absolute confidence in what they are saying and doing. Of course, I have a hunch that Jim Jones and Hitler probably also spoke with confidence and an air of authority (although lacking the "clarity of the teachings" bit.) But David always sounds to me more like a pundit than a guru, demonstrating an extraordinary intellectual grasp of the dharma, presenting it through the lens of his raw and honest human experience, displaying a great degree of wisdom, generosity and kindness, but still, ultimately, so damn ordinary! He remains a regular guy, with regular foibles, striving and schlepping along with the rest of us, in my mind settling for "small moments, many times" instead of spirituality's Grand Prize, a permanent vacation from one's self!
Ironically, of course, again and again, nearly all of the teachers who do carry the charisma that attracts me, and who speak with great power, force and authority, are usually the very people who eventually fall from their thrones in the ignominy of sexual or financial scandals and the abuse of power. I'm still a sucker for someone who acts like they "know." Seekers are a dime a dozen; I want to be around someone who has found, and there is no shortage of such folks eager to take on that mantle, and then more often than not, charge megabucks to be in their presence.
Where does it leave us if it turns out that all of our spiritual emperors have no clothes? If it's really just us here, scrambling to figure it all out and make it work? For every True Believer who will tell you that their Master is the "One" (and usually the Only One), I promise that you can also find dozens or thousands of disaffected devotees who will be only too happy to share their horror stories. And yet, just as we cling to the possibility of a Great and Final Awakening, we likewise still long for that Great One who Really Knows! We want to sit before a pure expression of the Divine in human form, a direct channel of the truth and a beneficent expression of absolute enlightenment and spiritual liberation. In other words, we want to meet the Buddha on the road, but we don't want to kill him, we want to bow at his feet and have him deliver us our freedom wholesale, direct from the manufacturer with a lifetime guarantee.
It's easy enough to find dead saints to believe in. I'm still under the impression that Ramana Maharshi, Neem Karoli Baba and Ramakrishna, not to mention Buddha and Jesus, were the real thing. It's just so frustrating that living teachers always turn out to be flawed and merely human. We're drawn to their charisma, and then are subtly or overtly asked to assign to them perfection and an infallibility that would leave even the Pope salivating. It is always an all-or-nothing proposition with such teachers; you can't partially believe someone is a Divine Incarnation. You can't filter out what you like or don't like when someone is "speaking the Truth." Devotees in scenes like that are never permitted to have a different point of view, for neither the teacher nor the group mind will permit it.
When such a Master is eventually caught with His pants down, the group usually divides in two: one half limps away, wounded, whimpering, disaffected and angry. The other half is somehow able to twist the truth into a version that allows them to stay and carry on, with their teacher's often bizarrely inappropriate behavior justified as "crazy wisdom," intended for everyone's growth. It is, I'm afraid, absolute delusion, sustained because some of us simply cannot tolerate the loss of our favorite object of reverence and devotion, the one who allowed us to feel we had found our way, that it was the right way, (and usually the only way) and that our spiritual progress was ensured, on schedule, and under the direct supervision of a top representative of God Itself! Not merely a "representative," though, because such groups tell us that we are presumably sitting in the actual, Living Presence of the One and Only God, the Source of the Universe, appearing in our midst in human form!
Of course it is also true that we are in the same actual, Living Presence of God every second of every day, whether we are sitting before a blade of grass or sitting on the toilet. So when one particular manifestation of the Living God becomes somehow ultra-special, we either have a genuine prophet among us or a psychopath, and usually some weird combination of both that never turns out well.
That said, the non-dual tradition of Advaita, a branch of Vedantic Hinduism, does in fact, insist that "Tat Tvam Asi": Thou art That. And physicists draw much the same conclusion from another angle: life is all energy, just molecules dancing a rhumba, and it is one energy that is manifesting as separate objects that appear to be real.
So if it is true that We are That, doesn't it follow that there must be somebody, somewhere, who really knows that truth through direct experience and is more or less able to remain in constant contact with that Realization? Yes, perhaps. And like I said, such people, like Ramana Maharshi, usually tend to be dead.
But while we're waiting for such Messiahs to show up, in the meantime we need to be thankful for the David Coopers of the world, those who generously give over whatever insight and knowledge they have accumulated on the spiritual path, while remaining transparently human, stubbornly real and ordinary, and collecting no devotees or large sums of money in the process. Nor demanding we prostrate ourselves at their feet or think of them as God, unless we include ourselves and everyone else in that formulation. (In David's teachings, it wouldn't even be that we are all God, but rather, that we are each God-ing, i.e., we are a process, not a thing.)
We can and will certainly continue to have mentors, coaches, teachers, and peer-counselors, but perhaps it would be more useful to think of all of them, ultimately, as-imagine this-friends! It might just be time for us to let go of our hunger for Divine heroes and once again uncover the heroic in ourselves and others, and accept that this this really is it, and recognize also that this, the ever-present home of the All-in-All, paradoxically does appear to get better over time as we more and more let go of our me-centered outlook and rest more often in our primordial identity, impartial witnesses to the whole catastrophe.
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Timely for me...
Thanks for this ultimately encouraging take on the path of the "seeker." As often happens for me with articles on Reality Sandwich, both stories on the front page today -- yours and Gary Lachman's -- speak directly to the pressing concerns in my life at this moment.
I've recently experienced that psychic "snap-back" you mention, discovering myself boomeranged back into mundane material awareness after a period of intense transformation. This realization of my rapid spiritual backslide came as a heavy bummer at first, but I started to glimpse that the path is not straight and linear. Your article really made this clear. "Small moments, many times" puts a lot into perspective that I've been struggling with. Many thanks...
(oh, and your treatment of guru-worship is spot on!)
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I relate to this very much, & the article reflects my own line of thinking... it seems to me that we're all enlightened & strong one minute, & vulnerable & fallible the next... it's as it should be, perhaps.
So I like that idea of having a great network of friends...I lift you up, then you lift me up, or maybe she lifts both of us up... depending on the dynamics of that moment.
Seeking collectively to cultivate joy, the rising tide might someday lift all boats.....
It's also comforting to think that Truth really is something so prosaic, it's in us all & all around every single moment, so we might as well just breathe deeply & relax into it when we can... & enjoy small moments of deepening rapport with friends, nature, moments, materials, etc.
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In the Tibetan Book of Living & Dying, the other week, I read about "the rainbow body" phenomenon... in one case, a very average Tibetan man spent his time farming, trapping, meditating - doing whatever it is you do in the mountains up there. As he lay dying, a great rainbow appeared around his house, & within days his body had fully disappeared, leaving only his clothes.
Whether this event literally happened as described or not, the point that remains for me is that - this man had so many beautiful colors inside of him - which perhaps were never seen by another person while he was alive.
To me it just hints at how many average human lives, rough on the outside, may contain a geode inside. And how true spiritual beauty & 'knowledge' may be such a quiet, private, incremental thing.
Thus I like the view that - teachers are all around. In a child, in a flower, in the wind, in an owl, in a wolf, in a mountain, in a stone...
Lastly, I'll share that I'm finding the "chop wood, carry water" attitude a good one nowadays.
Embodied spiritual energies in the paradigm of the artisan (ie: attention to materials, repetitive motions, beauty joy & richness in the mundane), & the potential for vocational community to arise out of others 'doing what you do' with an underlying frequency of joy, comprise my own latest set of enthusiasms...
Thanks for the post! :)
Thank you
So have you visited Damanhur yet?
Look, (RS,) I realize that I'm a broken record, but could you go investigate Damanhur?
I say this, because most of our spiritualities are about getting more comfortable with the present, "living in the now," and so on.
But here's some folks who think that striving towards ideals and the future are worth looking at.
We need to stop being self-satisfied with the "now" and "gee, I'm conscious," and start working towards our new future.
I assure you, this is not it.
You see a teenager broken from lost love, and he asks, "Is this all there is to life?", crying on the bathroom floor. It may not seem like an apt analogy, but it is: Our present days are a living nightmare, even though it seems "normal."
"No, this is not it. Our future is bright. But we need to work for it."
We need something like a success book, but with the aims being global exhileration and solidarity, the eradication of poverty and war at their roots in our heart, real communities, imagination beauty and virtue, and putting all these things into daily practice with (yes) discipline and focus.
yes past yes future yes now yes Damanhur
IMHO, this world is big enough for both living in the now & striving for a better future... The two are certainly intertwined, if not one & the same. Many have pointed at that the seeds of the future are in the now. Or said - take care of the problems we have now, & we might have a chance at a better future.
Nonetheless, looking at the calendar where I turn 30 in a couple of weeks, I think I know what you mean...something about being present as we work for a better world (future). Striking a balance there.
Let's see a post on Damanhur - I think that would be great. Would you be willing to write one LionKimbro?
Yes.
Absolutely I am ready to write about Damanhur. A collaborator (anyone who is familiar with writing posts for audiences, rather than comments,) would be appreciated, but is not necessary.
The title of this article,
As each of us inches closer to the inevitable nirbikalpa samadhi state, I agree that it can indeed be frustrating, but at the same time, comforting to notice the animalistically "human" qualities in each other. It is definitely important for spiritually aware people to organize in communities, in order to share and ease the emotional pain that can so often occure along the "path," as well as to avoid the potential for alienation that is equally as common when one finds themself the only "sane" person amidst a "normal," but insane mainstream cultural consensus.
Personally, I have found that a consistant morning practice allows me to remain neutral through the comedown of rapidly shifting from bliss, to the mundane. From "small moments, many times," eventually comes The Moment, all the time.<
The best advice I can give is to recommend psychically, a consistant devotion that is as concentrated as possible, and emotionally, an unconditional acceptance of circumstances. In this way, everything plays out in perfect sequence
here's a relevant & interesting article
Just discovered today. Taking the - small moments, many times - theme & tying it in with concepts of 'emergence', networks, community, & societal change:
http://transitionus.ning.com/forum/topics/mustread-article-by-margaret
It also talks about non-hierarchical systems.
Self-Organizing is different than Non-Hierarchical
It's a great paper, but I searched the whole document, for "hier," and didn't find a single thing about non-hierarchical systems.
"It's because we've removed our old paradigm blinders that look for hierarchy and control mechanisms in the belief that organization only happens through human will and intervention," is the closest the text gets, it's the one place where "hier" is written.
There's a big difference between "self-organizing," and "non-hierarchical." The body of an animal, the purpose hierarchy in a conversation, the gramatical structure of a stentence, the layout of a building, our moment-by-moment decision making and purposing and internal values -- all observe hierarchy, even though it is emptiness and silence that give the space for the form to rise in.
Networks everywhere are self-organizing; But we need to be cautious of anti-hierarchy and anti-masculine tendencies -- each of those network points is begun by a leader, and there must always be a first leader.
When people of similar values gather together, some one must say, at some point, "So are we serious about this?", and the people will have different levels of ability and commitment to go through with any undertaking. If we have a mindset that is against leaders, against hierarchy, then no body will form -- this is a lesson of nature, a lesson of the Earth.
It's just important that we build hierarchy well, and point it towards spiritual ends, towards our highest values, who-ever we happen to be. Exalting diversity and the outsider who choses to live differently, is certainly part of this.
Someone has said here, "Great things always collapse." Yep, they do. "Form always collapses." Yes, it does. "Nothing is permanent." Mm-hmm; I hear that.
So, it's time to make what we need to, and make it the best we possibly can, the best we can imagine, applying all the wisdoms and knowledges we've learned, and then still some more. Fall 7 times, stand up 8.
Cosmically, the Universe is always trying, over and over, forever and ever, to make Life that lasts. It always collapses; But the Eternal Phoenix always looks on with hope at each new form -- "Perhaps this one."
It's not about enlightenment, it's about love
Mentors and Mirrors
Looking for the Eternal, in that which is temporary, always but exposes each others quality.
The more spiritual advancement ... the more the nature of the material shows itself.
Ramana Maharshi's greatness lied in his ability to "never-ever" mistake the temporary for the eternal.
He never allowed worship, or payment etc.
So the more ones see's such material inebriery, the more it is "spirit" that is showing us.
The plain'er one lives ... the more glorious the rainbow at the end. {referencing one of the comments here}
All the so-called problems with the attainments of others, is that they are super-imposed over the dreary inertia of material manifestation. {life without a pedistal}
If one "entrains" with the not-so-wonderful experiences, rather than trying to transcend their quality ... how is there any other lesson of relevance.
Revelation means to accept sorrow ... Buddha & Jesus both embraced the suffering.
.It is the very judgement between good and evil "fruits" {things/activities} that keep us from remaining true before "all things"
Enlightenment ... Spirituality ... are only promoted in relation to Nescience ... Materiality.
Every night after both great dreams, and horrible nightmares ... there is deep sleep ... without dreams.
This is when rest andreplenishment take place
After all the rainbows ... and all the black holes ... there is 'but the day to day inertia that is our saving grace.
The only thing that allows character to chisel itself out of eternity.
Evey character has flaw ... but only in relation to "another"
There is not one quality of any kind that is not "it" / "that" / "this" ... yet because each of us is also of unique qualitative nature {dharma - that which cannot be separated out} ... ... well, one just can't keep up with all of the infinite possibilities outside of oneself. ... so one tends to judge in relation to oneself.
Buddha and Jesus both spent decades of penance before they could include all of humanity in their vision ... what to speak of lifetimes.
If there is to be hope, it lies in a global humanity {if it can actually be acheived}
As time is compressing as we get closer to the 2012 Zero Point Field State, more and more of our differences among each other become exposed.
For every person struggling decades with spiritual progression ... there are others falling deeper and deeper alseep.
We are each against the grain of each others "inherency" ... so how are we to feel oneness, when difference is the name of the game.
So just like when deep sleep occurs, both the good dreams, and bad dreams subside ... without our conscious endeavor ...
The Cosmos has a similar state {2012} where the spiritual and material "lila of exchange" will find each others premise ... only by losing their own.
The "Tree of Life" will only flourish and feed all then..
Forever beyond personal attainment. ... or loss
The Mighty Almost Always Fall
I'm grateful Eliezer Sobel has decided to share the fruits (both ripe and rotten) of his 30+ year spiritual journey. I just finished his enjoyable and (excuse me) enlightening book, "The 99th Monkey" in which he tells about a journey that would,
"take me all around the world to meet shamans, healers, and gurus; stay in ashrams and monasteries; sit for long hours on meditation cushions; chant in foreign tongues; and live up to 40 days in primitive huts on solo retreat. I experimented extensively with psychedelic drugs, ancient spiritual techniques and outrageous new ones. I was massaged, shitsu-ed, and rolfed; took hundreds of consciousness workshops, human potential seminars and self-improvement courses; sat with psychics, channels, and tarot readers; experienced Primal, Gestalt, Bioenergetics, Object Relations, generic talk therapies, and anti-depressants. And that's the short list. (The complete one gets embarrassing. Suffice it to say that it includes learning the Tush Push exercise in a Human Sexuality weekend -- you don't want to know -- as well as having an obese female therapist sit on my head at Esalen Institute, so I could re-experience being smothered by my mother.)"
And after such a filling - if not fulfilling - journey, he comes to the same conclusion after three decades that I have after three years: there's just no THERE there.
Still, Sobel doesn't regret or denigrate his journey. Instead, he has enriched his own life and the lives of others by his work and study. He disovered edifying philosophies and remarkable people. And his frustration at finding just a few true divine souls among the myriad pretenders, charlatans and hucksters demonstrates the hunger humans have for understanding things beyond their ken.
Like Sobel, I despair that so many of those who seem to possess something special and extraordinary generally fall to earth with melted wings. Many years ago, I was a student of the now-notorious Swami Rama of the Himalayas, whose sexually-repressed childhood and adolescence eventually burst forth in sexual malfeasance with a number of female disciples.
Alas, this has been a recurring pattern for many gurus and "holy men" of both the East and West. With so many once-mighty having fallen, one wonders even about the human frailties of Jesus and Buddha. What DO we really know about them? We certainly know about our own frailties.
I don't think it's necessarily the sexual aspect that is the problem in so many of these incidents. The problem is that so many involve near or actual sexual assault with people who idolize them. And Sobel is exactly correct when either they or their subordinates can only explain away the unpardonable as some kind of "crazy wisdom".
It's interesting to me that Sobel blogged this post when he did because just yesterday I found this site: http://www.strippingthegurus.com/index.html#stgtoc which makes for interesting reading for those wondering about their favorite guru's foibles and assorted legal troubles. As with most things in life, one should read this with a grain of salt, but the pattern becomes obvious after reading about just a few of these holy men: power corrupts and few men can resist temptation - even God-men.
thanks
Hey thanks for the generous feedback, mauiloa!!
Funny you ask that question about Jesus and Buddha--I received this from a friend today, in response to my post:
"It's not much of a stretch for me to imagine Jesus was
socially awkward, maybe a farter; or the Buddha being a demanding s.o.b. when he needed something."
Which led me to conjecture as to whether Moses possibly had abandonment issues, after being left in that basket to drift downstream; and we know that Krishna was having multiple sexual relationships with all the gopis!
Cheers!
Eliezer
stripping gurus...
Excellent find! I'll be reading this for certain.
Here's another defrocking, on the late anthropologist-guru Carlos Castaneda:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/04/12/castaneda/print.html
It's admittedly not the most forgiving (or shamanically-aware) assessment, but certainly sheds light on some once-shadowy affairs ...
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Real Life Miracles
Ahem, ...
So, at Damanhur, ...
See: There are no "easy outs."
There is no philosophy or "final enlightenment."
There is just the rock we stand on, and the air we breath, and the acts we perform.
The "deep realization" of Damanhur is that our lives are work, that Freedom is found in work. That this is unavoidable, that this is how it has always been, and how it will always be.
And: That the calling of the heart, is the calling of high ideals -- Ideals as high as you can imagine, and then further. There are no other principles for choosing one thing over another thing, than ideals.
That Eternity mapped to reality consists in working for ever higher, rather than falling lower.
Our minds are either going up, or down. True: they can jump from up to down at a moments notice.
Yet, what else is there in the worlds of form?
There is naught but to take the vine of thorns, and to work!
Then, the magic will happen.
Damanhur has the credentials that none of these gurus have:
Do not dispair, because miracles are being worked. Any one of you can hop on a plane, get to Italy, and see it first hand. In this modern day, you can just google around, even.
They live in tree houses, for God's sake.
So if anyone tells you, "This is all there is," -- ecological disaster, consumerism, isolation, daily sadness, and so on -- say, "No, there is another way."
Granted, there is still sadness at Damanhur. Granted, work is still hard. Granted, it is not utopia.
But it's better: It's Topia, (literally: a real place) -- and magic does pervade there.
If Jesus were alive today, and raising the dead, I'd be right out there, following him immediately. I've imagined Jesus standing at the corner of 3rd & Columbia, curing the mentally ill homeless, casting out drug addictions, followed by a throng of people. So far, I've not seen it.
But I have seen the Damanhurians, and I swear: They are working miracles.
The proof is in the Damanhurian credito in my pocket, the temples I walked amongst, the tree villages, the farm I worked in, the pigs I fed, and the love I received from the people whom I visited.
If they aren't ending homeless, it's only because they haven't gotten around to it yet, or aquired sufficient capability -- I do know that alleviating global poverty and eliminating war is something they think quite seriously about, and are working towards. Politics is very important to the Damanhurians.
The point isn't to all become Damanhurians, -- even they don't want that -- but there is something in what they think and that they do that is essential that we must learn, and execute.
I do believe that there are others doing this kind of thing; I don't know. I have a sense that Andrew Cohen is working by these same kind of principles; Though I haven't put enough time in, I can't be sure.
"You don't have to be a Damanhurian." Indeed, their goal is only that you become more like yourself, like you really are -- not all bound up in the chains of this world.
But have hope, and develop it into faith. Hold on. Keep your eyes alert, and your ears open. There is not more to Consciousness than the ground of Being, -- Consciousness is what Consciousness is.
But there is certainly more to the world of Form, -- and - as surely as love exists -- there are spiritual currents guiding its developments. Evolution is a fact. What are the worlds of form for, if not to evolve?
Ok, I am a big fan of Damanhur myself...
I think they have a lot of good things happening there and are quite awesome.
But I would recommend that you re-read what you wrote, specifically the first twenty lines or so. Something in there I saw was very, very chilling, especially considering the original post. I'm not pointing it out immediately so as to give you a chance to find it yourself. If you don't see it, though, let me know.
C23
Would he were fatter! But I fear him not:
Yet if my name were liable to fear,
I do not know the man I should avoid
So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much;
He is a great observer
-?
Just guessing...
Not sure what Cassius23 is referring to, but one guess would be that some of your words bring to mind the famous sign on the gates of Auschwitz: "Arbeit Mach Frei"--"Work Makes You Free"--as well as a tone, possibly, of the "True Believer" when you say "ideals are the ONLY etc."--am I close, Cassius23?
P.S. re: Andrew Cohen, see:
http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/
I'm afraid you are right on the money.
"The "deep realization" of Damanhur is that our lives are work, that Freedom is found in work. "
Specifically, the quote above. Freedom is found in work. "Work makes (one) free", which is the literal English translation of "Arbeit macht frei".
I'm really, really sorry to have brought this up in public. I am 100% confident that you are compassionate and a good person but I also have spent a lot of time working against modern day Nazis and thought that if you saw it yourself you could restate it and if something was said, I thought it would be better from someone who was at least trying to act from compassion as opposed to anger(albeit a little foolishly).
Please be careful.
Would he were fatter! But I fear him not:
Yet if my name were liable to fear,
I do not know the man I should avoid
So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much;
He is a great observer
The Gates
No, I'd never heard that the gates said that.
It's unfortunate, but -- if Hitler had said, "2+2=4," and put it on the gates, -- we can't dismiss mathematics.
I understand...
The Shoah one of the hardest(most painful) things to learn about and to know well. However, I would argue that it is something that we all must learn and remember. From the words on their gates to the one time that a concentration camp had an escape attempt that worked(Sobibor).
In regards to the original post, I would say that it is a major, major factor in identifying what enlightenment is and how far we have to go.
In regards to Damanhur and every other intentional community with a unifying ideology, it is the shadow and a terrible warning.
Please go to the link below.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005143
I won't lie. It will be sad, it will be hard, and if you seriously think about it, it will make you question if we can ever be good as a species.
But it is necessary to see, to think and to understand. Few things are more important, and few things have affected what we have done ever since more.
Damanhur included.
C23
Would he were fatter! But I fear him not:
Yet if my name were liable to fear,
I do not know the man I should avoid
So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much;
He is a great observer
Communities and Ideologies
It is precicely because it is sad and painful, that we must strive to transcend.
As for communities that share ideology (principles, ideas, visions,):
The ideology that says that groups of people should not share ideology is itself an ideology, and a very broadly shared one at that.
There is a wisdom in this ideology, but that wisdom has a limit, and we are conking our heads on that limit.
That wisdom needs to not be reversed, but rather, extended, made more complex.
There's a blind-spot in the public consciousness for "non-totalizing societies;" We feel immediately threatened by any society that decides to live by different principles than our own -- "shared ideology." Like fish, we don't see the water of our own shared ideology.
Damanhur's goal is not to make everybody live just like they do. When I announced to the Damanhurians in Cornucopia that I wanted to make something like Damanhur in Seattle, they smiled, but then held my hand on the table, and another hand on my forearm, and said, "Thank you, ... But make it something different. Make it reflect your communities uniqueness. You understand, yes?"
A unifying ideology is not a shadow, if all people are present of their own free choice. There is a grey area here, and it needs to be studied; But to cast unifying ideology (period) to automatic Hitler-land, is to perpetuate the atomized individualized world of "you way over there, and me way over here," and the extraordinary degree of lost potential that goes with it -- all of this, what our presently shared ideology against shared ideology produces.
Teilhard, in 1947, way before Damanhur existed, wrote three principles that are required for any global society:1. The absolute duty of the the individual to develop his own personality. (..!)
2. The relative right of the individual to be placed in circumstances as favourable as possible to his personal development.
3. The absolute right of the individual, within the social organism, not to be deformed by external coercion, but inwardly super-organised by persuasion, that is to say, in conformity with his personal endowments and aspirations.
Our very discussion here pertains to points 2 & 3. Point 3 is what protects the individual from the society.
But point 2 is what permits the individual to find a society that they can grow in, that they can develop in.
Damanhurians would love to see countless societies all over the world, -- societies of high ideals, of love, of compassion, of service, of work, of enthusiasm, -- transforming the world.
Societies that are based in ethneogens and indigenous cultures; Societies based in the exploration of Love and romance; Societies persuing Open Source software development and new technologies; Societies based in scientific discovery, and societies based in the persuit of arts and poetry, and societies based in fishing. Societies dedicated to peace, and societies dedicated to games. Societies for the support and development of every kind of individual that there is, -- so that we can become more like ourselves, so that we can develop further to the utmost.
Societies where work and play and life are in the same sphere, rather than radically cut off from one another, and societies where everyone is so glad to see one another.
Above all, societies based in Love.
The vision is that these societies will know one another, love one another, and give their children free reign to explore and find other societies, to find the one that their heart finds the greatest realization and joy in.
Damanhur presently has working relationships with (at least, as far as I know:) Findhorn and Zegg; I know that they are working on developing still further relationships.
If we are afraid of connecting minds with the Other, then we can never connect. It is like saying, "all companies can only ever have 1 employee." Some would cheer at that idea, but I believe that the world is better for society, rather than worse. Purposes are easier filled with help from friends. Our supreme purpose is fulfilling the Heart, known by countless names.
It can only end in universal love across the whole Earth, but it can never be a forced love.
It's deeper than "Do you accept Jesus into your heart?" -- rather, it's "Do you accept Love into your heart?" And subtler -- no particular language or articulation or ideology matters -- only, the essence of it, and the realization.
Why "Ideals?"
Many people trip when I say "ideals," because they immediately think "Heil Hitler." People have told me this before, and yet -- I have no idea what is a better thing to say.
Here's how it goes:
"What should we do? X, or Y?"
Well, we choose, and we always choose based on some principle, whether articulable or not. This principle works towards some ideal.
The greatest ideal is the Heart (one way of saying it, -- a word is called for, and this one volunteered) which is formless.
There are at least two different things that we talk about, that are formless: The one is the soul (raw consciousness,) which is nothing formed, just the observer.
But the second is the heart, which is the seed of (let's say:) "holy desire," or the desire for the good, or the highest good we can conceive of -- but still further, because any conception is a form.
The curious thing about the Heart's formlessness, is that it's completely wrapped up in matter. When we think of Soul, we think of something invisible that "watches." But when we think of what the Heart actually is, we always see: loved ones, bodies, faces, and all. The terrain of the Earth, and our galaxy. Our cities, and nature, and the fairies and the spirits. We see everything. The world. (This, incidentally, I believe, is connected with why the Christian end is not some abstract "heaven," but rather, our very Earth itself -- Resurrection. And in the Hall of Earth at Damanhur, the ceiling has a prayer, repeated endlessly above, -- "May we remember all of our past lives." These are very similar ideas, in basic intention.)
It is my firm conviction that the entirety of the Universe is a vehicle for the eternal unfolding of the Heart. We can look at the history of evolution for an example.
Teilhard said, "There is nothing, not even the human soul, the highest spiritual manifestation we know of, that does not come within this universal law [that everything is the sum of the past and that nothing is comprehensible except through its history.]" (By human "soul" here, he is, confusingly for this explanation, refering to the human heart, human values, human aspirations.)
What he is saying is that our deepest hopes, dreams, imaginations, loves, profoundest thoughts, and so on -- are the furthest developments (so far) of the Universe itself, and that the mind, (Noosphere stuff,) which always works by purpose, and the ability to set things to purpose -- can be set to serving the highest ideals that humanity can be and articulate.
If someone comes here and says, "That's great, but what about Love?", then we say, "Yes, that's our ideal." And if somehow someone can come in and say, "And what about X?", where X is somehow (?!) persuasively higher than Love, then "Yes, that's our ideal." But the highest we can conceive of.
(More likely, someone would say something like, "Well, but Love implies being soft all the time," and we get into the complexities and subtleties, and the ultimate formlessness of the Heart -- a formlessness that even explains our individual differences and uniqunesses, but you get the idea.)
It is clear that there is danger in making choices, in persuing high ideals.
Yet the alternative is only to persue low ideals, or to feign powerlessness (and thus give power to those who elect to persue it,) because we are fearful of making choices, of doing something. (Another way of saying it: It is our duty to exercise our power, because power is a fact, not something that can be wished or willed away.)
We are taught to distrust high intentions, because we have seen the messes of history. The problem is not the intentions, though -- the problem is that ideas about "how things work," or the execution, were failures.
What is there to do? We must learn from our mistakes. "Oops, continental communism -- not such a good idea. Theory error. Didn't really pan out like we thought it would. Turns out, people having equal amounts of stuff doesn't really cause them to love one another in a spirit of solidarity." (This is also one of the lesson of Twin Oaks.)
If good comes from bad intentions (greed -- get as much as possible!) -- this is horrible, because intentions, where they fail, can always be corrected. ("Damn! Someone got something good from what I did, that I didn't anticipate! I'll have to figure out how to charge them for that next time!")
But if bad comes from good intentions (love -- an intention that ended in Communism, say, --) then, even though it's horrible, -- we can make sure to correct the next time we try to manifest love. (Perhaps we can experiment with sympathetic neighbors, going through a process of trialing and experimenting, before ramping up to entire continents, Mm-kay?)
Its the process of evolution, which -- in the development of mind and concience, works by design and trial and, at the deepest level, our highest dreams & intentions: Love.
Work & Freedom
Every artist who has ever freed themselves, has struggled with the same facts of existence: Work is Freedom.
This is why many artists go to art school, even though you have to pay to do it, and even though it is very difficult. Artists are known everywhere for their dedication to work. Because it's we find our freedom.
If this sounds 1984 Orwellian to you, then unravel the paradox, so that you can see the facts clearly. To be free, we have to be able to discipline ourselves, and to do work.
I went to Damanhur with one question at the front of my mind: "How do they get into action?!" I honestly didn't know the answer. When I got there, I found it clearly: They work at it. Inspiration -- concentration -- meditation -- hypnosis -- humor -- just plain picking up a shovel and trowelling -- anything that can work -- by hook or by crook, struggling every way possible, to conquer the mind that perpetually seeks comfort, and set it towards the ends of the highest ideals they can muster.
When you see the beautiful stone circuits at Damanhur -- the ones that you walk to improve sensitivities, to increase short-term attention span, to (yes,) even help the food go down (Damanhurian humor,) -- there's a lesson there. As our guide ("Lynx," actually) told us, "The point is to get into action; Not to just sit there wishing, hoping; But to bring everything into action."
Did anyone on the meditative path ever suggest that controlling the mind is something very easy?
We are not free, as long as we are slaves to the moment by moment passions of our mind.
There are some things that look like angels, that are actually demons -- the pangs of unrequited love (so very beautiful an ideal!) is such an example.
And there are some things that look like demons, that are actually angels. Work is such an example.
So, ... ... what if?
And then: What would you do?
Yes, and the universe ...
Yes, you be, and then, an "extended you" -- the world of form mind, and the world of form body, animate and twitch. The array of light and sound transform.
That's the "do" that I'm referring to.
So, what do you do, after enlightenment?
Beautiful comments, Lions
You do the same thing that is always done when the Source is rested in...the same thing It Itself did, and does eternally:
Realize, Smile, and Dive forth once more into Life.
You cast yourself back in to what you finally realize was always yourself; and do what you always thought you should. ^_~
On the topic of work, this is the passage from The Prophet (which, if you haven't read, you should. Ken Wilber, too...but you sound like you have read Wilber already).
"Then a ploughman said, "Speak to us of Work."
And he answered, saying:
You work that you may keep pace with the earth and the soul of the earth.
For to be idle is to become a stranger unto the seasons, and to step out of life's procession, that marches in majesty and proud submission towards the infinite.
When you work you are a flute through whose heart the whispering of the hours turns to music.
Which of you would be a reed, dumb and silent, when all else sings together in unison?
Always you have been told that work is a curse and labour a misfortune.
But I say to you that when you work you fulfil a part of earth's furthest dream, assigned to you when that dream was born,
And in keeping yourself with labour you are in truth loving life,
And to love life through labour is to be intimate with life's inmost secret.
But if you in your pain call birth an affliction and the support of the flesh a curse written upon your brow, then I answer that naught but the sweat of your brow shall wash away that which is written.
You have been told also life is darkness, and in your weariness you echo what was said by the weary.
And I say that life is indeed darkness save when there is urge,
And all urge is blind save when there is knowledge,
And all knowledge is vain save when there is work,
And all work is empty save when there is love;
And when you work with love you bind yourself to yourself, and to one another, and to God.
And what is it to work with love?
It is to weave the cloth with threads drawn from your heart, even as if your beloved were to wear that cloth.
It is to build a house with affection, even as if your beloved were to dwell in that house.
It is to sow seeds with tenderness and reap the harvest with joy, even as if your beloved were to eat the fruit.
It is to charge all things you fashion with a breath of your own spirit,
And to know that all the blessed dead are standing about you and watching.
Often have I heard you say, as if speaking in sleep, "he who works in marble, and finds the shape of his own soul in the stone, is a nobler than he who ploughs the soil.
And he who seizes the rainbow to lay it on a cloth in the likeness of man, is more than he who makes the sandals for our feet."
But I say, not in sleep but in the over-wakefulness of noontide, that the wind speaks not more sweetly to the giant oaks than to the least of all the blades of grass;
And he alone is great who turns the voice of the wind into a song made sweeter by his own loving.
Work is love made visible.
And if you cannot work with love but only with distaste, it is better that you should leave your work and sit at the gate of the temple and take alms of those who work with joy.
For if you bake bread with indifference, you bake a bitter bread that feeds but half man's hunger.
And if you grudge the crushing of the grapes, your grudge distils a poison in the wine.
And if you sing though as angels, and love not the singing, you muffle man's ears to the voices of the day and the voices of the night."
"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
Experiment, we Must
That's tragic; And it helps point out that our highest ideals are not about gurus.
Honestly, I think we should all, in our respective cities, network with others (perhaps via meetup.com,) to find others, and to work towards making new communities, new societies, even. Don't ever tell anyone you ever heard of me-- if you need names, point to Andrew Cohen, or Falco, or whomever else in the emerging realization -- I'm sure there are many I've never even heard of -- that you want to point to. Really, it doesn't matter who. The essence of the idea(s) is the thing.
You'll recognize good people, because they'll say, "It's not about me and my -ism; It's about the highest ideals we can dare realize, (Love,) and our particular uniqueness."
We are looking for the ways that self-join; Love does that. We look for what self-organizes.
Dig deep into poetry, into our philosophies, into our world traditions. Study the indigenous cultures-- "What were they doing right? Can we do something like this in the modern age?", and whatever else you know that I don't -- and let us create countless new societies, experimenting, comparing notes. Open up the history books, perform rituals, and make up our own ideas as well.
Countless experiments.
"What is the ideal society that cjmoore could live and die in?" You know that you don't want everyone to be just like you -- so: exalt difference. But you also know that some things are just plain wrong. You also know that what doesn't have structure -- just doesn't work. You also know that we don't have it in us to know the difference, particularly -- so allow for process, change, evolution towards higher ideals. Find people who resonate with your vision, the highest vision you can think of. Or, find someone who's vision you resonate with. It doesn't matter which it is- we don't have power over each other, anyways: if people don't like what you say, they'll just go home, much as you yourself experienced. And if you worry about power, put in safeguards, whatever you can think of, whatever the experience of the world shows you works.
We can do this. We can live very differently. What Damanhur has done, it has done in only 30 years. It's only recently that they broke 1,000 people -- much of their time was spent in being 150-250 people.
Teilhard: "...it is only by way of countless experiments and gropings that the Democratic ideal (like Life itself) can hope to achieve its own formulation and, still more, can materialize."
And: "...Mankind still shows itself to possess a reserve, a formidable potential of concentration, i.e. of progress. ... 'Energetically' as well as biologically the human group is still young, still fresh."
Quite Fair,
Quite fair, cjmoore. Thank you.
All we have is now
Now
Thank you for the article, it reminded me of how easily i fall into the trap of idolization, which of course is just dualism, projection, and maybe sometimes a harmless support over tough times. But something that should sooner or later be overcome.
"If we think of enlightenment as the moment when we're finally free as some future goal we will acheive "someday" in the future is the complete opposite of what a Spiritual Seeker is supposed to do"
Sooner or later, right. The simple truth would seem to be that "Life is now. There was never a time when your life was not now, nor will there ever be" (Tolle). There may be many portals to awakening, among them Time weighs heavy for me personally. A goal, guilt for not working for it, imagining achieving it (while there is "nothing to do, nothing to attain"), all this is played inside time, and time is one the more persisting illusions. Nothing but time.
- The flap of a butterfly's wings in the Atlantic may cause it to fly -
Can a Seeker become a Having-Found?
Is it possible that a Seeker can become a having-Found?
If not, what then is the point in Seeking, if not to Find?
(And to be clear: "Having found" refers to having found Consciousness, the seat of Existence, what it is to Be, the "I Am," in the raw, formless, beyond any idea, beyond the idea of Consciousness, in the present, not in the future, not in the past, and so on, and so forth.)
There is still something more to be found, though, oddly enough.
There's a thing -- the Heart.
The Heart is different than Consciousness in a very interesting way -- whereas Consciousness watches and listens to the world, the Heart loves and acts, and it always does so with form, and always with an orientation towards the future; This is why Ghandi said, "God is Conscience.
Ask Bo: "What did Ghandi mean when he said, God is Conscience." Ask Bo what that means, and to explain the nature of Ghandi's delusions.
It is a simple thing, but there it is. Heart, like it's twin the Soul, is formless (and paradoxical) too, but it engages deeply with the world through Love, through desire.
Ask Bo to explain why Rumi was so passionate, or why Jesus came to save the Earth, if we are to read John 3:16. The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same as the I Am; Treasures stored in Heaven -- a land of high ideals -- are not the same as the ever-invisible, "I Am."
We have a future.
the most common response of the "having found...''
suffering and the seeker. Karl Renz.
My comment.
Karl Renz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=RT_7ETUM1cc
Well Has It Been Sung
"Sometimes the Light's all shinin' on me...
Other times, I can barely see...
Lately, it occurs to me:
What a Long, Strange Trip it has been."
The Grateful Dead, Truckin'
"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi
I used to believe this way
On second thought. . .
Bo and Ghandi
Ask Bo: "What did Ghandi mean when he said, God is Conscience." Ask Bo what that means, and to explain the nature of Ghandi's delusions.
First of all, I don't talk to Bo on tha day-to-day basis. I have only talked to him face to face a handful of times but I have read most of his books and newsletters from Human Kindness Foundation(humankindness.org). I could write to him but it might be some time before I get a response as he is currently on a year-long retreat. Second, I don't know what Ghandi meant by that but I'm sure you could find that out for yourself or ask Bo on your own. His son, Josh or other staff might be able to answer you if he doesn't.
Human Kindness Foundation
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It is a simple thing, but there it is. Heart, like it's twin the Soul, is formless (and paradoxical) too, but it engages deeply with the world through Love, through desire.
Desire has nothing to do with Real Love and the Heart as you say. The Heart is the Fourth Chakra where Love, Cosmic Love constantly hums. It is not romantic, semantic, or dramatic, it is the Peace the Passeth Understanding. It is the essence of the Kingdom of Heaven, the Light, the Energy, the Force, the Spirit, the Matrix, which is in everyone and everything. At the talk, I attended last week hosted by Daniel Pinchbeck, Ken Jordan and Jonathan Phillips, a Reiki Master, was talking about how he worked and observed this Energy in his Reiki Practice.
Ask Bo to explain why Rumi was so passionate, or why Jesus came to save the Earth, if we are to read John 3:16. The Kingdom of Heaven is not the same as the I Am; Treasures stored in Heaven -- a land of high ideals -- are not the same as the ever-invisible, "I Am."
I am not familiar with Rumi but I do know something about Jesus. He came to save us by setting the example and by demonstrating the act of leaving something crude and temporary like the body for something of greater value- Spirit and overcoming the cycle of Time and Death.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within. Be in this world not of it.
All of Heaven's treasures are within you.
God is the great "I AM."
There are riches to be had but they are not streets of gold or angel wings, but made of something that cannot be destroy it's what Bono sings,"All that you can't leave behind."
OM Shanti Shanti Shanti
silent charisma
silent charisma
<david doesn't expect to find anything new, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. as long as he is content with that. what tone did he say it in? i'm curious about his emotional state during that conversation. >
No, he wasn't at all implying it was a bad thing at all; on the contrary, he was saying that what he had learned, realized and was presenting were the highest teachings available, and therefore, he was no longer looking for, nor expecting, anything radically new or different to come along. So yes, content with "this" because "this is it"!