Rethinking Veganism

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I keep having this nagging notion that all life is sacred. That means animals and plants. And that Life depends on Life to exist, however hard that is to accept. So with years spent vacillating between vegetarianism and veganism, often feeling justified in my moral uprightness by not eating meat, this concept reduces my "rightness" to rubble. 

Disclaimer: I respect all omnivorous, post-modern dietary choices. Meat-eater, vegetarian, vegan, raw-vegan, paleolithic, whatever! But lately this poking, tug-at-my-sleeve thought prevails every time I eat a meal: all life is sacred.

Then I begin to see that eating a piece of beef and eating a head of lettuce are both the consumption of Life. If the life being taken has been honored, cared for, given proper respect, then the act of eating becomes about unity and connection to other life forms, which is the underlying truth of existence on this planet. And for that matter, the act of eating also becomes a direct relationship to death. Plants, seeds, birds, all must die in order for me to live. Or using different language: energy must be recycled that I may live. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, they said blandly in high school science. I understand that to mean all energy; the energy of a beating heart, of respirating breath, even the energy of cell division.

With that in mind, a meal takes on deeper meaning. So that taking the life of a turkey to celebrate family and community and give thanks on a holiday begins to seem somewhat appropriate. Especially if that turkey lived fairly, cared for and raised in the neighbor's yard and I am taking responsibility for its death at my table. Indeed my own mortality is tied up with that turkey's mortality.

Death used to be acknowledged in the very essence of daily life for humans. From our earliest, more tentative existence to the death practices of our recent ancestors. Tending the body in the kitchen, showing it in the parlor, digging the dirt, placing the gone-flesh in the ground. Now we have very little to do with death, fear it to the extent of subtle mania, expose such in our over-zealous cleanliness and insistence on letting others do the work for us. How did my grandfather get from the hospital bed to that casket? How did my turnips get on that grocery store shelf?

(By the way, insects and weeds must die for us to have fresh produce. I remind myself of this crawling through the garden pulling up dandelion and chicory, squishing stink bugs off the squash leaves.)

The problem with being at the top of the food chain, and having the frontal cortex that allows analyzation and self-consciousness, is that we are cursed with knowing what it is that we do. I know that bug will never fly again into the cool night. You know you take a beautiful summery day or the acrid smell of rain on hot earth away from that chicken. Does the chicken know? Does it matter? We know. But the great gift of being human, of having that frontal lobe, is the same as its curse: self-consciousness! Being present for every moment of excitement, expectation, sorrow, anger, fear, and gratitude. All emotions of daily life. All emotions involved in the reaping and preparing of animals, birds, fish or plants for daily nourishment. This is the emotional framework of the life/death cycle.

Whereas once upon a time we were present with and mandatorily (by nature of the exchange) took responsibility for taking life that sustains our own, now we can walk in a grocery store and buy lamb chops cleaned and tidied in clear plastic wrap, or reach for a sealed bag of spinach with perfectly formed leaves minus bug holes. Perhaps the omnivore's dilemma is the same as the dilemma of contemporary society; that is a seeking of connection to the nourishment that sustains our life. Of seeking connection, God, community, all things that are just different names for the same thing.

As I write this I still have not eaten meat exactly. I did resume eating eggs (local pasture raised) and brewing my own bone broth. Bone broth, as I have come to understand, is full of easily absorbed essential minerals, glucosamine, and gelatin. I can attest that my body has responded kindly to this new nourishment. As a matter of fact I have fallen into a new weekly rhythm around my broth. I walk to the local butchery a few blocks away, where the woman butcher and her employees all know me and greet me when I come in. Every week I ask questions and they offer answers, we laugh, talk about the upcoming local goings-on while I pick up my poultry bones and a dozen farm eggs. My butcher believes in working with local farmers and clean, properly-fostered meats. This makes me trust her. They find me somewhat amusing, the new lady who only buys bones and eggs, who is too timid yet to buy a whole bird to cook, eating the meat and utilizing the bones; but we get along. I then walk home and brew the bones in a pot for six plus hours. I spend those hours at home with the soft smell of food wafting through my house as I clean or read or tend to phone calls with friends. On Sunday I make a soup with the broth that when I taste it, has such a richness and depth that my whole being feels nourished...from the friendliness at the butchery, to the time spent preparing my food, to the sitting down and offering it to my body. And every week I take a big bowl to my mother. All this from a simple bone broth.

I still tend to find the vegan option on the menu when dining out (unless it's an organic establishment) because I lack trust in the typical sources of fish, meat, and eggs; and for energetic and health reasons I choose not to put industrial-produced animal products in my body. Though by now my undeniable hankering to take full responsibility for my place in the food chain has proved worthwhile. I find to do this authentically, I must acknowledge death in each bite as intimately as I acknowledge the life. Still curiously surprised by where this strange notion -- All life is sacred -- is taking me; I go willingly. And giving proper thanks.

 

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"The problem with being at

"The problem with being at the top of the food chain, and having the frontal cortex that allows analyzation and self-consciousness, is that we are cursed with knowing what it is that we do."

This presupposes that we are at the top of the food chain.

indeed!

indeed!

...and we are not?

?

ARE WE CONVENIENTLY BULLSHITTING OURSLEVES!!!

I read most of the posts on this blog and surely there are some interesting perspectives but I fail to see some REALLY substantial discussion about a HUGE point that was overlooked/avoided by the author and most of our community. A community that has alot of suggestion and action towards creating a new life, new way of addressing life in society on spiritual as well as material/practical levels I feel is acting in great ignorance for convenience. 

  If in fact I give you that ALL life is equal we MUST agree by a purely realistic and measurable way that consuming animal flesh is the most resource intensive and wasteful means of consuming food. Aside from that it is certainly cruel, and largely, if not completely, UNNECESSARY!!!!   What MUST be CLEARLY understood is that in order to live as RESPONSIBLE and ETHICAL as possible we must be mindful and act in accordance with what is we face as truth in regard to the USE OF RESOURCES OF A PLANT DIET AND THAT OF ONE OF ANIMAL FLESH AND FLUIDS... It is CLEAR that it takes far more resources, water, grain, waste management, fuel, land, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, etc. to produce animal flesh and fluids than that of plants.. For example a vegan uses 300 gallons of water per day and  a carnivore 50,000. It takes 17 lbs of grain to produce one lb of animal flesh.  THe list goes on and on. We also should be quite aware of the bullshit that its ok to eat flesh and fluids of animals because it is "organic" or "free range" both of which are HIGHLY flawed labels.

 It also does not allow us to offer what we desire, expect, and would like people to identify us with; PEACE> We dont offer peace if we are eating every meal that contribute to violence against animals as well as the resources of this planet. If we cant look past convenience and offer peace, insight, thoughtfulness, mindful action, and responsibility in our choices then how is it possible we can expect that of others who are living in a less conscious way? If WE are sitting here on this site consuming ourselves with conversation about moving forward, HIGHER, while we sit with the flesh and fluid of creatures that were tortured and slaughtered that felt pain, fear, anger, helplessness, and misery  within us it is with great skepticism and little hope that I have for our world. If we are not thinking about the amount of violence we are causing on this planet wasting its resources and trying to convince ourselves and others that we are on a more responsible path then we are surely doomed. 

 I hate to leave this heavy space but I do feel saddened that THIS great community of thinkers is actually trying to rationalize the single thing that could so greatly change our world; our diet.  

 It would be most wise for us to consider;

 - How can I be MORE/MOST compassionate with my choices

 - Is this a NECESSARY choice

 - What is the impact of my choice, is there a more responsible one

- AM I choosing peace or misery

- How am I feeding myself spiritually with this action

- How will this choice affect this planet today and tomorrow

- Is this a choice I am proud of

- Am I prepared to do all that was needed to create this meal or am I ok with it because I am paying someone else to torture, raise and slaughter so I dont have to 

- Do I know anyone who ever died from eating too many zucchini??

 

 In love and peace

 Ray 

Well said Ray

While I applaud any efforts to be a conscious eater - especially a conscious carnivore - the fact remains that the vast majority of people do not think like that, do not even want to be made aware of the background of their meat etc. I've had friends and family tell me in the midst of a conversation 'I don't want to know!". I've also heard the religous dominion-based argument on a number of occasions regarding our right to lord it over the animals of the earth. On top of that, people on a limited budget most often cannot afford grass fed or free range (whatever that may mean). They must opt for the cheapest available food if they eat meat which can be any bit of ground up muck you can get from a factory for 99cents a pound.

To me there is no other way than to stay away from meat - thats a decision I've made and I try to subtley influence those around me to think more about the food they put in their mouth.

I'm not vegetarian because I

I'm not vegetarian because I love animals but 'cause I hate plants ( The Green Planet movie, french humor)

Post-Veganism

Hi Amy,Thanks for your thoughtful blog.

I was vegetarian for nearly twenty years, and vegan for twelve of those years. About a month ago, I started to eat meat.

One factor in my decision was Rudolf Steiner's profound maxim, "It is better to eat meat than to think meat."His experience was that thoughts are as real as objects - therefore, a thought form in our psychic space that instructs us to eat meat is not merely fancy - it's a dynamic being that is asking something of us. If we fight against it, it's not doing us any better than simply eating the meat - and disobeying can cause harm to our being.I was thinking meat and decided to give it a try.

If you don't want all that spiritual stuff wrapped in, you can take a more materialistic approach and say that craving and thinking about meat are signs that your body is missing something.

After eating meat again (and surprisingly experiencing no negative side effects or digestive distress), I feel stronger and have more energy.  More importantly, my mood has become very stable - I find myself able to deal with many problems I'd not had the strength of mind or clarity for before I ate meat easy to handle now. (Again, Steiner comes into play - I won't go into his explanations of how meat affects the astral and etheric bodies or even what those bodies are here, but feel free to look it all up, there's plenty of information online and in his printed lectures.)

I think the most important lesson for me in this experience is a sort of echo of your statement that all life is sacred - It is not only the sameness of sacred life that unites us, but our freedom.  Every being - not just its life, but its individual configuration - is sacred as well. Because of this, we must honor as sacred our individual needs while keeping the compassionate notion that life is sacred.

For some, vegetarianism is appropriate. Whether you base this on blood type, ethical conviction, or spiritual principle: being a vegetarian is the best way for certain people to harmonize their individuality with the sacred fact of life.

For others, eating meat is more appropriate - because it strengthens a weakened body, or because it obeys thought-forms, or because vitamins are missing.

Keeping this in mind, as a meat eater, I have the responsibility of respecting life and death by not eating meat that comes from tortured animals from factory farms (or "natural" farms that claim to raise their animals humanely but genetically modify them, clip their beaks, allow them very limited access to outdoors, etc.)

Plants can also be tortured, and I suspect monoculture crops that have been genetically altered and sprayed with chemicals and planted in chemical ground are tortured. Since a plant is so intensely a being of its environment and growth (whereas animals are more likely to carry their environments within themselves), altering its environment and growth patterns drastically are the surest way to "torture" a plant.

It's not always possible to eat non-genetically modified, humanely raised, spiritually respected plants and animals.  We can try our best - and when we don't know, we can pray over our food and welcome it into a new life through our bodies - the opportunity to transform from pain and suffering into a joyful participation.

Thanks again,

Conner Habib

Transformation

Conner, thank you for your very thoughtful response. I am grateful to you for bringing up the power of prayer and intention: "we can pray over our food and welcome it into a new life through our bodies - the opportunity to transform from pain and suffering into a joyful participation."

We have far more power in our lives - and health- than we allow ourselves to believe. Best wishes to you, Amy

I am very sad to hear this

I want to start by saying that there has to be a line drawn some where, i believe one of the other responses talked about "is it ok to eat a human, or a chimp, or a dog, or pig. It comes down to fear, and the fear lives in the meat that you eat.

Take into account also, cholesterol comes only from animal and animal bi products.

Because humans have such long digestive systems, we absorb to much of this, which leads to heart attacks and strokes, it also causes acidification of the blood. A lion for example has only a few feet of intestines, which allows them to eat meat without running into this problem.

As far as being weak, go talk to NFL running back Ricky Williams about that. he is a raw food vegan, and plows through 6'4 270 pound men on the weekly basis.

If anyone wonders what diet is best for a human, well i would say just look to our friends the great apes, lots of fruit, vegis, nuts, lentils. 

having said all of this, i must admit my diet is far from perfect and sometimes my laziness causes me to take the easy option.

I know all things are conscious, but i doubt a head of lettuce feels fear, or an orange for that matter. I do know that a pig will scream to live!

If we all agree consciousness is a thing, then i think we can agree that creating fear is not helpful if it can be avoided.  I hope this has been found to be a valid counter point. Keep talking and keep thinking 

 

IT takes more tortured plants to produce...

It should not be ignored that it takes far more lives of "tortured" plants to produce the flesh of a tortured animal so the total numbers of life tortured and killed for a meal of animal flesh and fluid is FAR greater.. It must also be understood that if we are eating an all organic vegan meal of plant based foods that does NOT kill the plant (tomatoes, peppers, squash, all fruit, nuts, corn, cucumbers, beans, etc...) it is of FAR less killing as you elude to. 

great post!

It's most people forget plants are a life force to. Thank you for opening my perception and appreciation of all life. Love and Light Laura

Reminds me of a post I made on my blog a few years ago.

I deal with similar thoughts on subjects like this, from the food we eat to the materials that we use to build our homes and clothe our bodies.

http://blog.bryanklein.com/2005/05/69-disgustipated.html

-Bryan

Fruitarianism

In eating fruits we are not killing any living being. It is the gift of nature. In fact, trees WANT you to eat their fruits so their seeds can be propagated. =) I try to eat only raw fruits, raw milk and some vegetables from time to time as medicine.

The Sacred Of Life

I have also been through the whole vegan, raw dingo dango thing back when I was a sitting self-made wannabe buddhist. But I don't think that staying of meat, fish, eggs or any other animal food is making you more holy or anyway closer to enlightment. Think about it, the native indians, amazonian tribes, shamans etc. eat meat and they are some of the people who are the most close to nature and mother earth. They respect animals they kill. This is something that I call sacred, we where hunter and cathers ones. And the Theravada monks eat whatever they get offered from people. And there view on it, if you look at karma. Is that it is just as bad to say no to something that is offered to you. Because it will just start of the whole negative chain of karmic thoughts. And what about the Aghori Sadhus, they fucking eat human meat. That is there way to see through taboo, and through the inpermanece of the human body. So if you want to reach enlightment, then don't focus on right or wrong. But the origin of your actions, and why is it wrong or right. But hey, do what your feel like. Just remember don't just eat one rice grain a day like the Buddha, he almost died. Peace

So basically what you're

So basically what you're saying is don't be an asshole and don't eat crap. Can't disagree! I would perhaps wrap it up in less spiritual talk, but hey, that's part of your charm eh? ;-)

oh and just to be clear, not

oh and just to be clear, not being an asshole and not consuming crap is actually a big deal, probably the biggest there can be for us 21st century humans. It goes way beyond being careful what you eat of course. So, no diss here.

Plants are conscious too

I happily agree with the article. We should remember that plants are conscious too. See the film The Secret Life of Plants on google video or you-tube. I'm trying to find my balance of raw/cooked/plant/animal. Best to all.

animal gifts

I've been a mostly-vegetarian for a number of years, but I eat meat and seafood on occasion, such as when I'm offered it in someone's home, gifted it, or when my body occasionally craves it. I choose sustainable, organic, and local meats and seafood when I can. I respect animals and am conscious of my impact on the environment, and so feel gratitude on the odd times when I do enjoy eating them.

For example, where I live we had a massive salmon run this year (unlike last year's small trickle). When I was given locally caught salmon this summer, it was a delicious treat. Last year, I didn't dare eat salmon, but this year's bounty was a gift of nature, and I appreciated every bite, since I know maybe next year I won't get to. But that's okay. Chickpeas and lentils aren't in any danger of extinction, and I'm happy to eat those, too.

We have more knowledge of nutrition and food than any people who came before us. We just have to take the time to learn, in order to eat in the way that brings our body's health, our ethics, and the Earth's health into line. Don't let anyone preach one way of eating over the other. Only you know what will work for you, and it may change at different stages in life.

I eat lots of meat.....

I followed an Indian guru for almost 30 years from my late teens to early 40's and ate a hindu-style vegetarian diet during that period of my life. Later shamanism began to appeal to me more and I began hanging out with a variety of indigenous people. They all ate meat and had deep reverence for life. While I respect everyone's dietry choices I just feel better eating an omniverous diet that includes plenty of meat now. The way I see it, everything IS everything and everything EATS everything.

Plants are life also,

Plants are life also, therefore I might as well go back to eating animals? The tastiest meat is supposed to be that of humans... if we raise humans in a humane and organic way, could we eat them? Objections to eating humans? Why? How about a chimp then? They must be tasty, especially the babies. Endangered. How about a baboon then? No Primates? How about a dog? Too intelligent? How about some bacon? Wait, pigs are as smart as dogs.... how about a chicken then?

So plants feel pain now. I see.

"I'm going to say plants feel pain.  Then I'm going to say hmmm, since they do, I might as well eat animals, too.  Because I would hate to think I'm only causing suffering to plants."  Can someone please explain where the logic is in that?

Other Considerations: Environment and Direct Connections

One thing that is completely missing from this conversation is the environmental impacts of eating flesh - especially larger animals such as cows and pigs.

Eating the flesh of cows and pigs, and to a lesser extent chickens, is a massive waste of resources. It takes 16 pounds of wheat and 2,500 gallons of water to produce one pound of beef. In the US, meat production consumes one-third of all raw materials and fossil fuels used. Food animals in the US create 130 times more excrement than the human population.

A person could make the counter-argument that these problems would go away if cows were allowed to graze naturally, but we have all seen the environmental destruction that this causes - erosion and eradication of native plants. Organic meat might be better than factory farmed meat - but the only truly sustainable meat is wild meat - and with a population as large as the world has today - wild meat is not an option.

As for the point about all life being sacred - yes I think we can all agree on this. Almost all of us have had a direct connection with the process of plant growth and harvest at some point in our lives. We all at least know how it feels to kill a plant. How many of us know what it feels like to directly kill an animal?

If a person wants to argue that it is ok to eat meat because plants are sacred too - then I would suggest that, at least once, that person go out and slaughter and butcher an animal for themselves. If this is done, then the conversation about sacredness, direct connection, and respect can begin.

VERY WELL SAID

Perfectly said Jeff... I do GREATLY feel that after countless conversations with people who consume animal flesh and fluids that people are creating a myriad of creations to IGNORE the truth and reality of their consumption so as not to rock the boat of convenience. IF we are all trying to lead the way we must do so be example... every day at every meal... 

Where's purpose?

Why would you delete my post on the purpose of eggs to become birds, the purpose of milk for sustenance, and the purpose of the plant kingdom to provide for our wellbeing? Perhaps you didn't like the quote that the Essene felt you had to be free from consuming blood for at least ten years before being able to access the Spiritual Kingdom?

Millions of Tiny Sentient Beings

And of course there is the small matter of the millions of cells, bacteria, and viruses your body is sentencing to death every second.

 

A question I once asked a Buddhist teacher: if I should avoid taking the lives of sentient beings, does this mean I should refuse antibiotics?

 

He was honest enough to say he'd never thought of that.

Since when are bacteria

Since when are bacteria sentient? I don't deny their importance, or the importance of minimizing the use of antibiotics, but I'm not sure that we have any evidence that they're sentient.  Although I think that all life should be respected, sentience seems a bit different...

I have been Vegan for 3

I have been Vegan for 3 years and Veggy for 2 before that and I have actually thought a lot about the idea of scared life (plant and animal) and what it means to the choices of the things we do eat and I agree with some of what she is saying, however the story is much more complex... The natural order depends on a cycle of birth and death, eating and being eaten, but as a species we have warped the system, forgotten natural order and written our own rules. We wipe out entire ecosystems for our fields, eliminate any competitors that may want our resources (wolves, bugs...) and poison the systems around us (fertilizers, pesticides...); we do not obey the natural order and that is our first issue. To escape this really the only answer seems to lay in purchasing (veggies and meat) from small, local, organic, ecodiverse farming. However, we know how many of those there are and that where we live currently is not at all conducive to having a good self-supporting system. So, in taking in account that generally I am being forced to buy industrially farmed, monoculture crop products whether I am choosing from meat or veggies I still have the choice to choose between the lesser of the evils and that would be the veggies. Yes, we still have to clear cut land, and yes, they still spray the shit of of them. We even still have to ship it hundreds of kilometers in temperature controlled vans to get to our big box super markets. It is still (majorly) industrial farming. Meat products however, have a few extra steps involved - we have to clear land, spray the shit out of the biologically modified crops we plant to feed the animals, then we need more land to house the animals, but not as much as we seem to like to cram animals into horrifying, inhumane, shit filled industrial blocks. Precisely because we have crammed animals these places to fester as they rapidly speed through life (with aid of growth hormones) we need all kinds of medicines to keep them healthy enough to kill and eat. As well, it is well documented that the water demands are also exponentially greater when raising animal "crops" opposed to just plant crops. Then, there is also the matter of their wastes which generally sit in huge sump ponds and actually poisons the land instead of fertilizing it as its meant to. We still have to ship them to be killed in an assembly line like fashion that is not conducive to being humane, cleanly or safe for the workers and finally ship them to the stores. With animal products we create a doubling (i would say at least) in the death within the system - kill anything in our way of growing the plants to kill for the animals and then kill the animals for ourselves. With that considered, all life is of course sacred, but eating veggies is really the most moral, environmental and ethical way to cope within a sick and twisted system that ignores that fact. If we magically switched to a sustainable, biodiverse, local, organic system then there would be no need to forgo meat products. Until then... I have some really wicked vegan raspberry (from USA)- chocolate chip (south America (?), processes in Canada?) blondie bars (flour-ontario, corn starch-USA) that I am just itching to make... Shy

Traditional Foods vs. Packaged Foods

Seven years of vegetarianism felt great for me, but not quite as good as the past year in which I've excluded processed foods and included meat and an abundance of raw dairy (in the tradition of Weston A. Price).

I was able to make the switch because I realized that it would be damaging to my physical and spiritual health to wade in the belief that my nutritional needs are static, especially in a world where there is so much to learn about our evolved and evolving bodies and consciousness.

My move to a part of the country where I had abundant access to small-farmed, truly local organic fruits and vegetables, grass-fed and -finished beef, freshly caught fish and RAW, unpasteurized milk, cream and cheese allowed me to toss aside my sense of morality associated with vegetarianism, in support of my new moral obligation to support this beautifully radical small mountain community that seems to be doing everything right.

The most sustainable way to eat involves a radical shift in consciousness, and it begins with a vision of life before packaging and processing. Take a moment to imagine it :)

Long before food became a corporate profit scheme, our ancestors ate farm-to-fork, cooked with saturated fats like butter and unfiltered olive oil (un-demonize the term saturated fat and discover that your body needs lots of it to produce energy and hormones and to build your cells and organs!) and ate plenty of raw and fermented foods.

They also experienced the joy of preparing food, something that is lost in our culture amongst meat-eaters and vegans/vegetarians alike. The most "nourishing" thing you can do for your body is to know exactly what is going in to it, without having to read a label.

The health conscious community has been duped big and bad with ingredients like canola oil, unfermented soy, pasteurized foods and food packaged in plastic.

If you are reading this post, you have the leisure to choose what enters into your consciousness...it would be wise for all of us with the same privilege to choose to skip the "aisles" at the health food store and rather spend a little bit more energy in choosing whole, traditional foods prepared in our own kitchens via more traditional methods. 

Take more time to find, prepare, share and enjoy real food and we will be rewarded with individual health and collective well-being. It's as simple as that.  

Real Milk: http://www.realmilk.com/

Canola Oil: http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/559-the-great-con-ola.html

Saturated Fat: http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/528-importance-of-saturated-f...

Packaged Foods Corporate Structure Flowchart: https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/organicindustry.html

Read: Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon; The Acid Alkaline Balance Diet: An Innovative Program that Detoxifies Your Body's Acidic Waste to Prevent Disease and Restore Overall Health by Felicia Kliment; Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver

Much Love for the RS Community and the Expansion that is happening right now in all of us!!!

"Everything is blooming most recklessly; if it were voices instead of colors, there would be an unbelievable shrieking into the heart of the night." - Rainer Maria Rilke

Price, Fallon, etc.

Thanks for this Elizabeth -

It's true that, as you write, "If you are reading this post, you have the leisure to choose what enters into your consciousness..."  Bearing in mind that food itself BECOMES consciousness through us.  Instead of remaining inert matter, it transforms, in conjunction with our bodies, into the conscious participation with the world that we call thinking, feeling, and willing.  It's not the only force that contributes to these actions, but it is a vital one.

Food that is less processed tends to transform more readily and to leave less litter in our bodies (the processed chemicals are like a candy wrapper - they contain aspects of the food, but are themselves undigestible and are left scattered about our body and mind in unsightly forms).

All that stated; the notion that diets including highly processed, sugar-added, genetically modified soy beans instead of lovingly tended to animals are better for the planet cannot be sustained.  One pollutes our consciousness with waste, the other continues the act of of responsibility and love.

The human being and the human psyche must be included in the understanding of the good of the planet - not merely a distanced notion of killing animals is bad/eating plants is peaceful. 

That's why the radical shift you mention in our relation toward food - including our psyche and idea-world as PART of the environment - is necessary.

I don't think Weston Price gets everything right, but I believe that Sally Fallon, Thomas Cowan, and others, properly tend to his thesis with spirituality. 

Thanks for bringing their names here. 

Conner Habib 

 

TOSSING ASIDE MORALITY!!

 "milk, cream and cheese allowed me to toss aside my sense of morality"

 You said it!!!! Sorry to hear it. Also sounds like you are consuming more animal protein than you body is actually ingesting which is a huge waste of resources...  

Eat Low on the Foodchain

Howdy Y'all,So, it makes a lot of sense to eat low on the food chain. That means eat anchovies instead of Tuna. Primary consumers (who eat plants) receive approximately 17% of the plants energy. Secondary Consumers (who eat primary consumers) receive about 4.5% and Tertiary Consumers receive about 1% from Secondary. Thanks!

 

It's crystal clear that the

It's crystal clear that the dominant food system is killing the planet and has been doing so since the dawn of civilizations. I just finished the book 'The Vegetarian Myth' by Lierre Keith and I have to say that that's truly the single most important book I've ever read on diet, agriculture and ecology ('Anyone who eats should read this and everyone who eats vegetarian should memorize it.' - quote from one of the reviewers of the book). I honestly can say that after being a vegetarian for 3 years I feel I was blinded into many of the destructive myths about vegetarianism and veganism. There is a sustainable way of growing your own animals and eating a balanced diet with one or two servings of meat per week without destroying your habitat. The biggest issue is what do we do with that vast polluted/depleted/dry/dead land that provided us with the industrial mono-crops that fed both vegans and industrial meat for the carnivorous. ॐ ωє αяє σиє Ҫ☼Ñșḉḭǿῧșҋḝʂṧ ☼

Well I think most of us

Well I think most of us know, or at least should know, that our food, both plants and animals, are not raised humanely within the food industry that feeds the majority of society. Yeah sure, growing our own food in a loving and respectful way would be awesome. However, I don't know of anyone who does, except the ones I read about on the Internet and see on Youtube. There's certainly no one in my area that I know of that is not part of the system. This is mainstream society we're talking about here. Unless we are off the grid living self sustainably and growing our own food, the majority of us cannot help but contribute to the demise of our top soil through commercialized agriculture and the pain and suffering the animals experience to feed the masses. But, I'm not sure what the big deal is. We chose this, whether conscious of it or not. Everything happens as it is intended to. The mindless autonomous actions of society moving around and consuming in a virus like fashion will certainly create a learning experience we would probably never have been given the opportunity to learn from were we not mindless zombies under the control of our institutions that we ourselves created. Society is currently asleep creating it's own wake-up alarm. All the results of all our actions always creates the experiences we need to learn from. We create our own learning experiences. Personally, I only eat raw fruits and vegetables (but not plants). The way I see it, if it falls to the ground then I'll eat it - minus road kill of course. But that's just me. That's the way I choose to eat. I do not find anything right or wrong with the way others eat. Even Earth herself is a carnivore. She consumes every living organism. Well, I don't know if I would use the word consume, more like an organic dance or something where everything is just cycled and recycled, shaped and reformed into other forms of life. I value all life equally, so for me eating chicken is no different than eating humans. But I still very much contribute to the suffering and death of other animals and I'm not exempt from contributing to the destruction our society is currently inflicting upon our food source. I am still very much embedded into the system, and I currently do not have the opportunity or the luxury of growing my own food, so I must continue getting my food from the grocery... for the time being. But I do not feel the least bit guilty about it or focus upon it. It is a situation I have created for myself that I'm sure I will learn from, and I will continue to focus on freeing myself from a system I have no interest in supporting. Nor do I feel guilty about accidentally stepping on other creatures or inadvertently killing other life forms, but I avoid harming them as I am able. Again it is nothing more than an environment that was setup as an experience to be learned from.

Well you think, therefore you are

You guys make me feel old; no spark from the "Essene" commentary? Maybe you didn't (Dead Sea) scroll down far enough? In any case almost 30 years without having to kill anything to live. But, I could probably force down a piece of death if somebody donates 100K to charity (maybe 10k for the Zendo and me to take seeds). Some of my medical colleagues feel some people need to eat meat to stay "grounded", me, not so much. I love all, well more than many apparently can. But, certainly am not perfect, and we all have our own learning curves. Love evil good, Deithart once said. One dragon at a time - you will to redeem. I in I

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Thanks for sharing

Thank you for posting this wonderful entry on veganism. I, too, have been rethinking my stance on this lately. While I tend to stick primarily to veganism, with an occasional foray into vegetarianism, I have been troubled as well by this notion that all life is sacred, even that plants themselves have a consciousness, so how can we really differentiate between plants an animals when it really comes down to it? That being said, I think there is something rather pure about eating plants, considering that it is actually a natural mechanism for spreading more life, as the fruits/vegetables contain seeds which are meant to be ingested and then given back to the Earth, at least in the animal kingdom. This is in contrast to eating animals, who by and large have been killed earlier than their natural life span would have lasted in order to feed people who could probably well have survived on a plant-based diet. Considering the ecological ramifications of no one ever eating animals, however, we can see how population control would then become an issue. In the end I suppose it is about balance, and like you say, it is only because we have the consciousness to analyze all of this that it becomes an issue for us. I don't think lions or bears are too busy questioning the morality of their meal choices. I think it is easy to look at research such as "The China Study" or other such books that promote veganism as the healthiest diet, and get all righteous about veganism being the best and only way we should all live. However, there are also researchers who have a good point that many of us come from lineages that have been eating meat for centuries, which means that we are genetically hard-wired to eat animals in many cases, and that without taking a lot of care to replace those nutrients, deficiencies could become an issue very quickly. I think you are right that no matter what we choose to eat for our own personal reasons, it is important to respect the life that we are taking into our bodies, and the more we can support organic, local farmers and ecologically responsible food sources, the better off we will be. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for more of us to adopt a blessing ceremony before eating, regardless of religious affiliation, in an effort to pay respect to the life cycle that sustains us and give thanks to the underlying spirit force that makes it all work. And when all else fails, there is the tried and true method of simply listening to the body to find out what it needs. Cravings happen for a reason. I like your idea of using beef broth to make soup, that seems like an excellent compromise and your body obviously appreciates it. Thanks again for stirring things up. It's nice to know others have second thoughts about all these philosophically limiting diet options. Peace.

over-population & meat-consumption

a lot of what is disgusting about meat consumption is peoples' attitudes. Ie: the attitude that "the animals are there for me" (not as entities in themselves), & not to mention the way these attitudes result in factory farming & other inhumane forms of treatment while the animal is alive.

That, & considering the vast numbers of people alive today, & the vast quantity of animals that must constantly be slaughtered if we all have the attitude of being "entitled" to our daily meat.... the whole meat-eating scene mostly makes me feel sick. My personal balance at the moment is to eat a vegan/vegetarian diet when I make food for myself at home & eat out at a restaurant. I will consume meat on "feast-days", &, since I work in the food-service industry, if they're about to throw the left-overs in the trash anyway...... But even in that latter case I think about all the hormones & cloning & muscle-memory of suffering contained in what I'm chewing.I love the point about plants being living entities too (true) - & if you think about it, isn't obtaining other beings' life force the whole raison d'etre for eating, period? But every perspective has it's limits, I think. This same notion of 'vitalism' is what causes some in Asia to hunt & kill tigers for their penises (vitality), leaving the rest of the carcass to rot... which I personally think is short-sighted, selfish, & wrong. For example. Anyway - namaste all. - Melanie D.

organic bone soup

... brew the bones in a pot for six plus hours. At this point I bet the bones would pulverize easily and would make a great meal for spring tulips and other lovely flowers.

The big fish eat the little ones

I ate vegan for over three years. It was several factors that made me rethink the lifestyle and eventually start eating meat and animal products. The first point you made started to grow in importance. ALL LIFE IS SACRED. Furthermore plants and fungi are highly sentient beings and for us humans to imagine some sort of hierarchy of consciousness that (surprise) finds us at the top is ridiculous. All creatures also form symbiotic relationships with plants, animals and fungi in their environment. We have been co-evolving with cows, grass, marijuana, cotton, wheat, chickens, goats, dogs, cats that they are a part of our world, civilization. Is factory farming cruel. YES. IS living without causing the suffering and death of other life possible or even desirable? I have heard trees speak and they posses a rich wisdom, and yes kale suffers when you tear its body apart but it does so gladly because plants know what some humans forget DEATH is not an end just moving into a new form. Factory farming of chickens or tomatoes is cruel, unhealthy and not sustainable. Respect is the word. YA heard?

Humane versus Animal

Rethink? re-justify? re-excuse? re-rationalize? Love you, but puh-leeze. Sounds like Alcoholics drinking near-beer (still hooked on the desire, the addiction). How much grain and land does it take to produce a "feedcow"? That same agriculture could feed dozens if not hundreds of human beings. Do we realize benevolence (see dictionary.com- "towards one's fellow creatures") includes "evolve"? Examine the "lions and bears" teeth, sharp meat ripping basic lifeforms; humans teeth, all but the incisors the "canines", are for grinding, not flesh ripping. We are evolving from and above this blood thirsty base instint. Rise above the egocentricity, to where Science meets the Spirit. The I/Eye of God will be attained, empathy will also become a product of evolution, as well. The veil is now ripped from top to bottom.

what about the destruction of the rainforests?

come on people...

how come no one is capable of even mentioning that the demands of the mass consumption of soy products (and there's others...) in the USA and the majoraty of European countries is destroying everyday the rainforests, like in Amazonia or the Palm oil production in Asia... To not eat certain animals you destroy other regions, other animals, other plants, other human lives. And what about Codex Alimentarius...? Also nothing to say aboot that? The change our souls are craving is to be back in to the natural rythms... For that you must grow your food, animal or plant, nurturing it and caring for it until it will give you its life force once you eat it. That seeded on a compassionate economy of post-economy. That would bring us back to community and natural life, the visceral truth we run and crave for.

first we have to make the Earth stable again,by becoming unharmless to Her and that can happen through peacefull communal living in smaller groups inter-connected in to larger nets of multiculturalism and knowledge seeded in self-sustained indepented life in ALL aspeccts. That is the change, and that would bring back the Sacred to life lifting the limits between mundane and divine, between the duality of good and bad. only through our sacrifice to surrender to the the natural rythms we may find our place in this world, we that learned with the lions and the eagles, that with our counciousness lifted ourselves into intellegent beings that feel and think and create. We must create our place in this world as the crown of creation - we would be then finnally (after we and the earth rest in peace for a while)the watchers of the Garden.

But no... We "buy" from farms that aren't cruel... and the issue is dead there. "And to feel nature i must go a week on a rainforest workshop tour to bring the exotic and foreign to my life" instead of finding myself as a creator of art and a grower of life,a sovereign of myself feeding myself and acctually feeling the bounty of the earth and at the same time totally vulnerable in the hands of Gaya... that really makes me sad.

peace to all

Is food the new religion?

It sure brings up some deep feelings! I always have a wonderful time, wherever i am, whoever i'm with.

Levity

Thanks for the levity Harvey. For the record, I think we are all for Mother Earth and the Rainforests. This Veggie uses little soy or palm oil and hopes to cheer our Neyfox up, but certainly appreciates the concern for our environment. We will to evolve, and the Light does indeed pierce the darkness. Positive thinking may not always acheive, but negative thinking never does. Lifting Spirits "One bite at a time". Peace be with us, Brethren, thanks for sharing the love. D.P., tip of the hat to you for this inception

Good try, "Amy"

I see a lot of other readers calling this piece for what it is: someone's desperate attempt to convince herself that having an animal killed for her to eat is ok, or a crafty attempt to convince others of this.  Not quite, Amy.                                                                                                  << Then I begin to see that eating a piece of beef and eating a head of lettuce are both the consumption of Life. >> Consumption of life, huh? Funny. "Death" was the technical word you were looking for, if you are writing fact and not ridiculously crafted PR nonsense. You're not eating the ~fairy-blessed life-energies~ of a cow, Amy, when you pig out on your burger, although it sure sounds a lot sweeter saying it that way. Not sure even the hardcore anti-vegan establishment would buy that euphemism. You really expect to be dissuading people from remaining vegetarian by insisting, "hey! We're actually eating LIFE here, not death!" Good lord, we get to hear some brand-new nonsense today. Good luck with that one.                                                                                                                              The whole laughable, contrived story about how you "walk down to the local WOMAN butcher" and laugh, talk, share, learn, and live while buying bones is so touching that I almost walked down to MY local female, minority, green, god-lovin', organic, community-supportin' butcher and sang and danced far into the night while buying bones for a broth that I would simmer for 6 hours... smelling the rich, hearty goodness.... maybe writing letters to friends and pen-pal orphans in far away lands as it boiled its life-giving goodness... Amy, I don't want to burst your bubble if you really ARE some confused, struggling, desperate individual trying valiantly to figure out if bones = good or plant-killing = bad or whatnot, and not a PR rep trying to convince vegans to start slowly reversing their evolvement and eating animals again... but you could boil bones for 6 and a half days, and you're not getting any "essential minerals" from them. I'd be eager to hear exactly how you "have come to understand" this, as you say. Care to share with us?                                                                                                                                               << Still curiously surprised by where this strange notion -- All life is sacred -- is taking me; I go willingly. >> Oh yes, you know. Read the above comments.... we all know. If you post again, it will be to shyly share with us your next new "secret," of how a small serving of bacon-- fried up while you chant a mantra and sip steaming jasmine tea with good friends-- has given you extra vigor, increased love for all who coexist with you in this crazy ol' world you're trying so mightily to find peace with. (Oh-- to make it sound extra cozy and convincing next time, mention an old sheepdog, Shep, who was curled up asleep by the fire during all this.) You've already slipped with your reference to not buying a chicken... "yet."                                                                                                                             Yeah, we know where you're going so "willingly." If you're not a PR plant, you're just one more weak-willed individual who couldn't handle veganism. Whatever, Amy. Just don't expect to sell this insulting and ludicrous clap-trap to us.

incredibly complex subject

I, too, have wondered about the life force of the plants I consume. I remember an experiment in 1st grade when we had two plants that were the same. One plant (with a smiley face picture on it) we were to talk nicely to, the other (with a frowny face pic on it) we were supposed to say mean things to. The plant with the frowny face started to die after a time and I began to feel guilty for all the mean things I had said. I've never dismissed the argument of the value of the life of a plant. That does not mean, however, that I believe all life forms are equally valuable. There is a hierarchy. Those animals who are sentient, have brains and eye are definitely higher up than a head of lettuce. My human friends are definitely higher up on that hierarchy than an animal. I've known a few people on the "rethinking vegetarianism/veganism" bandwagon, and I've had online discussions with others. What is never addressed is how do we feed 7 billion people meat? If those 7 billion people ate like the average American (and to be fair shouldn't we all be allowed the same?), how to feed all those 7 billion people meat everyday, 2-3 times a day? I don't think it can be done on our existing biosphere - as mentioned in a comment above, raising that many animals for consumption is horrible on the environment leaving "sustainably raised" animals (not enough grassland to accomplish this for everyone) and wild animals that most 1st world-ers would never dream of consuming, including (if there is to be enough for all) animals like rodents. The other thing not taken into account by many in this movement is how if everyone else goes the same route how rare and difficult it will be to procure the "sustainable" meat, and many not being able to afford it in any case, just focus on the "plants have feelings too" or the "meat is essential for good nutrition" arguments of this "rethinking vegetarianism" movement and end up buying factory farmed animals because it's less expensive, more widely available, or because they've been duped about the actual conditions that the animals were raised under. Certainly vegetarianism is a better option for most of them. I have a lot more respect for cultures that consume the whole animal so as not to waste any part of the life they've been given, but again, most 1st world-ers won't eat the brains, hearts, kidney, and other organs of each animal. And if we truly take this idea of not wasting anything to it's logical conclusion, why aren't we eating deceased persons? That would certainly limit the amount of suffering caused to other species by taking their lives long before their natural time. Personally, I'm likely a freak of human nature because I don't know anyone else who feels the way I do, but even if this anti-vegetarianism fad turns out to be the best possible way to eat, I cannot ever see myself going back to being a carnivore. Back in my meat eating days I couldn't touch raw meat with my hands and it had to be thoroughly cooked with no pink showing or I couldn't consume it. After a couple of experiences of cracking open eggs with globs of blood in them I could no longer eat them either. I believe in some ways I was meant to be a vegetarian, partly because of this. So I may have some bias here. But looking on a planetary scope, it seems to me that eating meat only occasionally (once a week or less) and then consuming in some way every part of the animal seems like the only way it can be done both sustainably and ethically -- and I just can't see most people in the U.S. or many other places doing that.

Ferdinand

In my late teens we lived on a very small farm. We had three cows: a mother nursing her calf - she shared her milk with us - and a young male we were raising to stud. One of my chores was to take care of these three. Leading them from pasture to pasture, feeding them, and milking the mother twice a day. I became very fond of them, especially of the single young male who became my friend. I named him Ferdinand, and we played together in the fields, running around for hours every day.

One day I came home to find that my brothers had decided to take Ferdinand to the butcher, and my young friend was neatly packaged and labelled as to cut in the freezer.

I bawled for days, sniffling and sobbing between bouts of rage and acts of violence towards the traitor brothers who were Ferdinand's judge, jury and executioners.

"I will never eat Ferdinand" - became my motto and mantra, repeated over and over to whoever dared come near.

Each day I bemoaned the smells of the porterhouse steaks and rump stews wafting in from the kitchen.

And each day I noticed I became hungrier and hungrier.

One day I fled the house, grabbing the keys to the communal car and heading into the small local town. Pulling into the nearest food joint, I slumped into a chair and ordered a burger. Starving, I sunk my teeth into the burger and began unconsciously devouring it.

Suddenly I was enveloped in the energy of the cow become flesh that was now becoming me. I felt his being. I felt his life, his moods, his needs, his death throws. Suddenly I was overwhelmed by the sense of this being that I was to incorporate into my being.

And I put down the burger.

And I thought of Ferdinand. My sweet Ferdinand.

Ferdinand had led a much gentler life, and sn honorable - if unexpected by me - death.

Suddenly I was surrounded by the threads of all the beings ingesting and merging with other beings.

I went home.
I ate Ferdinand.
With pleasure.
With honor,
and with joy.

Many years have passed since that day, and I have been through years of many dietary regimes - vegan, raw, rainforest premasticated manioc brew...

I have found that my health needs change over time, and that those of others are as varied as our bodies - and our imaginations.

I have studied with countless indigenous elders and communities, and found the connection that I glimpsed that day eating Ferdinand is a part of their daily existence.

And I found that the most useful practice for me, whatever my diet of that day - is to be in that connected space - with each and every bite. Taking in the being that is to now be me. Feeling with gratitude and clarity the being that gave up it's life as it was before to be me. Thankful for the seed, for those that planted the seed, for the earth that housed the seed, for the sun that germinated the seed, for the worms and insects that created the home for the seed, for those that nurtured the plant, for the rain that fed the plant, for those that harvested or ate the plant become now cow or sheep or.... You get the picture. Each bite in our complex food chain has so many essences, now becoming me.

In doing this, just as that day when I could not eat the burger at the food joint, I am unable to ingest certain foods that are filled with chemicals, or with bad energy. Fear, maltreatment, unfair labor practices...

To eat consciously becomes a necessary practice, not clouded by rhetoric or dreams, but by a harsh view of what is on my plate, or in the store, or even in my own garden.

This is an ongoing practice, and not always easy.

To end on a lighter note:

Taking one of my granddaughters to an organic farm which was showing the kids their way of cultivation, the farmer showed them what they were using for fertilizer instead of chemical nitrogen sources. She had spread in front of her piles of fish emulsion, dried blood powder, and ground bone meal.

"I never realized that," my granddaughter laughed. "Vegetables are carnivores!"

Eve Bruce, MD
www.DolphinSpiritGate.com

Plants and Animals are different!

While I am fully on board with all Life being sacred I think the difference between plants and animals needs to be pointed out. Animals, Like us, do not want to be eaten. Plants on the other hand need to be. It is a big part of their seed distribution system. We munch them down and then wander off and defecate somewhere else, which give's the seeds an Ideal start for taking root. Fruit trees put all that effort into making their fruit delicious so that animals will be attracted and help distribute the seed again. Its a reciprocal relationship. Eating Animals does nothing for the animal or Its species, and unless you hunt it your self, it is one of the most environmentally damaging practices. I do not believe we can sit back any more [out side of a hunter gatherer context] and say 'All life is sacred and equal, Lets eat some meat!' Lets put more focus into the Sacred ritual of feeding our body well, and stop clagging up our tiny blood vessels with animal fats and dairy mucous. Lets get some seriously refined energy in our systems and see where that leads us! Yeah!