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The Path of Pain: Spiritual BDSM

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"Pain, when pushed and endured long enough, brings to the surface the uninhibited, raw soul of human beings. When two people can experience this together, it is like meeting on another plane." --FifthAngel

Kink. Sadomasochism. Bondage. Dominance and submission. In mainstream society, these things are often associated with a kind of wink-wink nudge-nudge secret sexuality, uncharted territory that surely lies just beyond the fuzzy pink handcuffs and nurses'-uniform lingerie. Within the world of spiritual BDSM practitioners, however, these activities are far from a novelty.

My initiation to "the scene" happened, as so many initiations do, at a time of crisis. I had fashioned a sedate, secure life for myself in the town where I was born. I had a good job, a spacious apartment, a reasonable social life and good standing in the town's close-knit, conservative community. At the same time, I nurtured a burgeoning literary career initially built on BDSM erotica (Bondage/Discipline, Dominance/Submission, Sadism/Masochism), was involved in a polyamorous arrangement involving five people spread over three states, and had come to feel that no religion or belief system described my personal sense of how the world was ordered. The disconnect between who I was and who I had to be to remain comfortable in my community was enormous, and the strain had become unbearable. The most logical way out involved moving to a more openminded city, but that felt like a pipe dream, something I could accomplish in three or four years at best.

Suffering a constant, low-grade frustration with my life, I signed up to attend the closest reputable BDSM event available -- 250 miles away. The event promised hands-on workshops by day and "play parties" providing opportunities for practice by night. I kept my expectations low. I had never been terribly outgoing, and assumed that I could easily don my voyeuristic writer persona and observe from a safe distance.

Within hours, I lay stripped to the waist, blindfolded and bound elaborately by rope. My newfound partner experimented with flat-knuckled punches to my chest, carefully creating maximum sensation with minimum harm. Patiently, my partner led me through the nerves and social barriers that could prevent a full experience. "Let out sound," she told me. When I barely managed a squeak, she elaborated. "Open your mouth. Now make a noise with your mouth open." Punch. I made a noise, felt the energy of the punch travel through my body and exit on my breath. I had the sense that she smiled.

The theft of my eyesight turned my awareness inward, and every thudding blow seemed to scatter my cognitive functions further and further until ordinary thought stopped altogether. Unable to move, unable to see, capable only of assimilating the dull thud of the strikes, I touched on a very pure and unfiltered awareness, something accessible only when enough layers had been pulled away to uncover it. For the first time, I had a sense of truly being myself -- no brainspace for taking notes for future stories or distancing myself from my own experience in any way. My standard methods of filtering information were completely shattered.

After a dizzying sampler of sensations, I sat at my partner's feet, dazed and flying on endorphins while she stroked my hair. I recall her introducing me to a friend: "This is Kal. She can't talk much yet." At length, she led me to the snack area and plied me with water, ensuring that I had at least somewhat returned to the ordinary plane before we parted ways.

In many cases, the achievement of "headspace" -- that sense of entering into an altered state -- is a primary goal in BDSM. Sex, in many cases, is not. The echo of tantric traditions can be recognized in BDSM's tendency to elicit sexual energy but then harness it for a use other than physical satiation. Much of BDSM's equipment and practices also mirror shamanic or tribal initiations: at the event, six-foot-tall X-shaped St. Andrew's crosses provided a traditional framework for flagellation, while a huge free-standing structure allowed participants to suspend one another in midair using rope. One of the hands-on workshops addressed safely embedding flesh hooks in the chest to execute an "energy pull" using this structure. For spiritual BDSM practitioners in particular, the use of sexual energy, pain, constricting bondage or fervent servitude is specifically geared toward the achievement of a psychospiritual state well beyond ordinary consciousness. There are no constants for headspace; what it is like and how it is achieved varies from person to person, and often from scene to scene. The exact nature of the state participants aim for also cannot be predicted. Those in the BDSM community acknowledge this and prepare for all possibilities; in BDSM, as in many other spiritual practices, not all altered states are "fun."

I anticipated discovering a rift between those who felt a strong spiritual connection through BDSM practice and those who did not, perhaps unfairly projecting my own history of spiritual separatism. Refreshingly, the community as a whole is keenly aware of the spiritual aspects of play and seems particularly interested in the impact of energy on scenes. It is not unusual for practitioners to choose where to play based on the energy of the scenes around them. At one of the workshops, the presenter led the audience through a group breathing exercise, then asked the audience to move closer to the stage, unable to feel their energies as well as he would have liked. This, I realized, was a community well aware of the unquantifiable forces that impact emotional catharsis.

The insular nature of the event encouraged a freedom of behavior that would have been utterly unthinkable to me just weeks before. The day after my initiation, I volunteered to receive painful stimulation of pressure points as part of a workshop demonstration. I stripped to my underpants, handed my clothing to the stranger sitting beside me for safekeeping, and stood before an audience of 150 to accept the pain. That night, I crossed paths with my partner again, and she led me into further experiments of sensation, driving hooked needles through the skin of my chest, drawing welts upon my back with a singletail whip.

Once it seemed that we had settled back into our ordinary frames of mind, I decided to leave the party at the same time she did. As we walked out into the crisp night air, she questioned whether I was "back" enough to drive. "I'll be fine," I assured her, "just as soon as I find my car." Immediately recognizing this for the red flag that it was, she ordered me back inside for ten more minutes, another snack, and another glass of water. After that, stepping out the same doors, I found my car immediately -- right in front of me. I've come to realize that while I can always tell just how drunk I am, I never have any idea how deep into headspace I am or how altered my state has become.

My initiation and ensuing breakthroughs immediately altered my ordinary life. I was quickly cured of a lifelong mild phobia of elevators. "I've taken two needles in my chest," I found myself thinking; "of course I can ride the elevator." The survival of a specific physical challenge drained all the dread out of anticipating an unlikely future ordeal. Learning to process physical discomfort became a direct template for overcoming mental barriers.

The intensity of the many physical ordeals I enjoyed left me flying for a time, then shattered me. Within a few days, I felt a deep, ugly toxin release, similar to the post-chiropractic effect but much more pronounced. Worse, I could not exercise in an attempt to release further endorphins -- movement caused too much pain. Then the bruises began to itch. For weeks I barely slept. The energy lingering from my initiation kept me reaching for the notebook beside my bed nearly every hour. "Now I can see that my life would be significantly and immediately different if I were to move," I wrote. "Not the same life in a new location."

My initiation also broke open the shell separating me from the energy necessary to move forward in my life. A day after the event, a friend offered to let me move in with her until I found a place to live nearby. Eight weeks later, I drove a U-Haul 300 miles to her doorstep and took her up on it. A year later, I attended the same annual event that heralded my initiation. With no plan in mind, following the rhythm of that energy I'd discovered, I found myself assisting in a workshop led by the person who had initiated me. We had a hand, perhaps, in the initiation experience of others in the audience. As I continue to explore my own unique path of spirituality, BDSM remains a highly useful tool. I have often noted that every scene teaches me something about myself. It is a constant path of self-exploration.

This path is not an easy one. When I first caught a glimpse of my bruises in the mirror, I was taken aback. I'd seen one too many Lifetime movies about battered women to initially see them as badges of courage and markings of initiation. There are charlatans and inexperienced poseurs, as in any group, and the wide variety of practices embraced by the BDSM community can sometimes make it difficult to find those pursuing it as a spiritual path. A common problem involves substituting BDSM for therapy, especially regarding sexual issues. And for many, the BDSM path is by necessity a clandestine one thanks to the stigma still attached to certain aspects of sexuality. Weathering such intense spiritual work while hiding it can be maddening.

However, BDSM can also offer modern, urban individuals a way to explore the spiritual potential of sexual energy. It is often devoid of the more flowery, aesthetic terminology some people find off-putting in New Age contexts. Generally, BDSM seems concerned with practical, hands-on applications rather than a "buy-in" to any particular methodology, thus allowing practitioners to follow their own paths. The vast majority of BDSM communities welcome newcomers and interested outsiders, making BDSM fairly accessible in urban areas. At its best, BDSM can serve as a kind of lay ministry, breaking down the barrier between sex and spirit that our culture at large still struggles to overcome.

Photo credit: image by Neil Carpenter, under Creative Commons license.

Comments

We've talked about this

We've talked about this before, and reading this has reinforced to me that in my life, BDSM has a place in fiction and fantasy, but isn't for me in actual practice. And that's not a good thing or a bad thing, it just is. I fully believe in its loving and spiritual aspects, but I'm just hopelessly vanilla. Thank you for being so open and honest about this; I remember how deeply it affected you at the time and now I understand better why that was so.

Thanks for sharing

Many have walked this path before you and many will follow. I think it's great that you can share what you've discovered in a way that may make the path seem more reachable to those who may have only fantasized about the pain.

i still wonder about the

i still wonder about the "spiritual" aspect of these practices.

 While there are rituals involving use of pain in many tribal ceremonies such as the Sundance, I don't know of evidence that you find such rituals mingled with sexual acts. I wonder, for instance, whether or not the Classical Maya explored this. I would like to read some research about this. 

I also recommend Gerald Heard's book, Pain, Sex, and Time.  

 

"Will the transformation."-Rilke

Spiritual aspects

I don't know about the historical context of mixing sex and pain spiritually, but I know there is a long history of spiritual traditions that enjoy a melange of techniques (the Santo Daime come to mind). In many ways, I think spiritual BDSM may be the modern stitching-together of techniques from Sundance et al and Tantric paths -- with, as I noted in the article, much less emphasis on sexuality than the mainstream perception of BDSM implies.

Spiritual BDSM is such a broad practice that it's difficult to pin down in just one article, but at the risk of making a gross overgeneralization, I will note that the most popular activities -- inflicting pain in a controlled and bell-curved fashion, beautiful but thoroughly inescapable bondage (normally with certain types of rope), submission (usually involving formal codes of behavior toward another person) -- all encourage the practitioner to exit normal cognitive and physiological functions and dig deeper into an altered state. Many spiritual BDSM practitioners experience trips strikingly similar to those described by any number of shamanic or psychedelic devotees. Trances are common, as are visions and profoundly altered self- and worldviews. One man has described hearing the voices of many onlookers chattering away during a scene, but was later told that the space was utterly silent -- which certainly left him wondering as to who or what had been murmuring to him.

Thank you for the book recommendation -- I was pleasantly surprised to find my local independent bookstore carries it. I will recommend one in return: "Dark Moon Rising: Pagan BDSM and the Ordeal Path," by Raven Kaldera. It's a collection of essays on the topic, including "Shaman's Boy: Serving A Greater Path," by a submissive who serves a shaman. This one connected a lot of dots for me.

Do you really understand what you're doing?

I'm doubtful many S&Mer's really understand the psychic and spiritual repercussions of what they're doing.

Yes they are entering altered states and opening themselves through trance to other dimensions, but which other dimensions? And what calibre of energies are entering their energy fields through those open portals?

I'll give you a clue... the kind of spiritual entities that get off on human pain, torture and suffering; something like the inhabitants of the Buddhist hell realms. And once they're in your energy field getting rid of them is no easy matter.

Is this what S&Mer's truely want in their lives? If so then fine, it's a free world and everyone has the right to whatever type of physical or spiritual experience they desire. But it's only fair to give newcomers the truth so that everyone who comes into contact with this subculture can make truely informed choices.

 

 

Confining The Volatile Mercury?

Reading this article, I was reminded of the words of Francis Bacon, "We must tortue Nature until she reveals her secrets." I wonder if there is an element of this attitude in some of the S&M practice? Is it not a function of the daemon of abstracted reasoning to bind in chains the "human form divine?" To seek to confine and rigidfy the volatile mercury of the feminine energies?

 

Perhaps I'm failing to understand a sophisticated technology - like trying to watch tv without being plugged in...

 

An interesting read!

 

 

can of worms

Somehow this has me thinking about a great number of things that are valued in BDSM, such as symmetry of marks upon the body. Food for thought.

 

At any rate, you make an interesting point. My general sense is that BDSM is used by spiritual practitioners to get the rational brain out of the way, similar to meditation. Physically, I've often heard the effects of BDSM compared to the "runner's high" -- joggers push through that uncomfortable "wall" to get to the second wind on the other side. I don't know if that fits into what you're describing here...I'll ponder this further.

BDSM is not a kinky ouiji board

I disagree with your take on this for several reasons.

 

I grew up in a household where spirit guides and hands-on energy work was commonplace, so I understand where you're coming from in terms of unexpected ramifications of that kind of work. However, I think BDSM is not the same thing. I don't know of any spiritual BDSM practitioners who seek to connect with beings on other planes through their practice, and have heard no stories of unwanted/malicious spiritual contact in this format.

 

It's my opinion that BDSM operates somewhat like meditation in this regard. Many people find it possible to open other dimensions, converse with beings, etc. through meditation, but that does not make it dangerous for new practitioners. One progresses in meditation at the pace one can handle. I see this same principle borne out in BDSM practice.

 

I also disagree that if there were spirits attracted to spiritual BDSM, they would be the ones interested in "human pain, torture, and suffering." This is a bit like saying spirits who appear to fasting mystics get off on the weakness of a malnourished body. BDSM spaces (spiritual or not) bear little resemblance to, say, Abu Gharaid. (I've yet to attend a BDSM event that didn't involve a lot of laughter throughout the night.) The willingness of all participants is the founding tenet of all BDSM. This is what differentiates it from "torture." Spiritual BDSM practitioners make a conscious choice to seek a state outside the normal day-to-day by pushing the limit of what their brain thinks their body can take. That is a very different situation.

 

As for informing newcomers, this is a given in the community. It occurs to me that I've forgotten to note that there is a highly visible "faux" BDSM strata that may cause some confusion. Generally, professional dominatrixes, BDSM "roleplayers" on online dating services, and the like are not a part of the community. The community comprised of actual hands-on practitioners who have embraced this lifestyle is very open to all who are interested, and information is given freely about the potential spirituality of practice.

 

In terms of mental/spiritual safety, there are always at least two people involved: the person going on the "trip" and the person facilitating it via the provision of pain/bondage/etc. Essentially, everyone engaging in a spiritual BDSM voyage has a "sitter" at all times. The majority of BDSM occurs in communal spaces where assistance of any sort can be summoned with a word or a gesture. "Aftercare" (the art of bringing someone back into normalcy after a BDSM event) is taught, respected, prized, and omitting it is a good way to get blackballed from the community.

 

And finally, to answer your question -- "Do you really understand what you're doing?" -- to the extent that anyone can really "understand" a spiritual path, yes, I believe the community does. I've been involved in a number of communities/sects/paths, and have never felt as secure in the communal comprehension of activities as I have in this one.

 

I appreciate your perspective and questions. This is the first time I've written at length about BDSM for an audience outside that community, and I'm grateful for the very thought-provoking and intelligent questions raised here.

thank you, k.c.

reconnected to the memories of the healing/invigorating experiences i've had myself, and inspired to again seek such experiences (especially with in the context of potentially recognizing different aspects of my spirituality), i am especially grateful for this your expression.  i recognize the subtle themes present in my artistry that continue to reveal desire for interaction in this regard. thank you for helping me accurately acknowlege this.

Thanks for the interesting

Thanks for the interesting read Kal. I can relate to your experience of pain being an outlet for spiritual discovery, as I spent weeks in an intensive care unit in intense pain. It seems to me that signals from the body, like the ones we get from pain and/or strenuous exercise block out incessant thought patterns allowing us to connect with a state of awareness and being that otherwise could remain an undercurrent of our subconscious.

I am happy to hear you received positive results from the BDSM techniques. From an observer's perspective it seems as though your results were linked to your intention to seek out the unknown because something seemed to be missing in your life. Good luck to you as you continue you on your path. -TBR

Pain and transformation

Pain is a huge transformative force, isn't it? As is intention. There's a well-known comment in BDSM communities that goes, "If I like pain so much, how come I hate it when I stub my toe?" Of course, it's all about intention -- when we go into the pain willingly, it's so much different than when it's suddenly and unexpectedly visited upon us.

Accessibility

This was a really fascinating look at your experiences! As someone who generally sits far on the rationalist end of the spectrum, it can be hard for me to "hook in" to what people are talking about when they discuss the spirituality of various topics, but this was definitely easy to understand and relate to. Then again, your point about BDSM as a practical, hands-on type of spiritual experience may have a lot to do with why I find it so accessible in terms of writing. It's interesting to me that an experience so attuned to the physical and physical sensations can be as deeply moving in a mental and emotional sense as it is, and it's neat to see the spiritual ramifications as well.

"our main duty is to go beyond thought"

that quote from swami nirmalananda...might seem inappropriate here but it struck me as perfect for the context. meditation is one method, extreme sensation ("tapas" or heat in the yoga tradition) is another. personally i'm grateful to the BDSM folks for educating all of us regarding how to simply and straightforwardly talk to a sexual partner. what a concept lol!! i enjoyed the article, kal.

Right on

I think your quote is wholly germane. And I agree about communication -- it's very refreshing!

Great article on a difficult subject

Hi Kal, a great article on a difficult subject. I'd never really thought of BDSM as a spiritual path before. Definitely worth reading/writing/thinking about. I notice you began the piece with a quote from FifthAngel. Where does his side of things fit into this picture?Is the one who inflicts the pain merely facilitating the other, or does the sadistic element of BDSM also represent a spiritual path? Is there a completely different form of 'headspace' here? D.Max

from the other side

Great question. I think spiritual dominants -- really good ones -- are the BDSM community's shamans. Many have had the same kinds of experiences they seek to lead others through. I am quite sure that the facilitation of the "trip," as it were, is a spiritual path in its own right.

 

The dominant headspace is something rarely addressed, probably due to the general focus on protecting and properly guiding the submissive. My own path has led me to explore both sides personally, and dominant headspace is definitely equally powerful to the headspace achieved by submission.

Another perspective

First, thanks for having the bravery to discuss what is to most people a profoundly misjudged and misunderstood subject.

Coming from another perspective:

I've always wanted to explore d/s, but up until a few years ago I'd only been able to explore it in a transitory and surface way, since I didn't want to explore with anyone I couldn't trust.

One night, I meet a man at a bar who had been hitting on my friend. We ended up talking through the night and into the next day, both of us testing the waters, as it were. I got so fascinated by him that I almost missed a flight! The connection was immediate, the conversation frank. Our first sexual encounters could never be described as "vanilla" (I hate that word, anyway!) We both sensed the potential for more, but he was the one who was brave enough to broach the subject.

My fantasies had always been of being dominated; instead the utterly terrifying and unknown territory of the top was to be my destination.

All sorts of fears immediately assailed me -- would I be able to fulfill my partner's fantasies? Would he become so lost in new sensations that he would lose all interest in making love to me, or what if he wanted a sensation that I just couldn't give? What would happen if we tried it and one wanted to continue but the other didn't? I'm a terrible actor; would I be able to overcome the self-consciousness that I was bound to feel in order to fully enter into top-space? Would we hurt each other? What wounds would it open? Where would it ultimately lead? Would he end up negatively judging me? Would I lose faith and do that to him?

Let me tell you, the fears didn't end -- for either one of us. Early on, there were several times when I almost just disappeared from his life without a word. It was so profoundly frustrating! (Did I also mention it was scary?) Figuring out how to end scenes was unexpectedly awkward. Getting the equipment and the mechanics right interfered with the flow. Learning to trust each other enough to communicate honestly and without defensiveness about our fears, hangups, and desires was the hardest obstacle to overcome by far!

A turning point came during a long weekend, where we took turns focusing on each other. Things clicked between us; I went into a trance state that he said later lasted twenty minutes. He said I was fully conscious and vocalizing, and that he was trying to rouse me since he became a little concerned, but I wasn't there. I didn't come down for days.

Although this wasn't the first time I'd experienced an altered state during sex, this was, by far, the most profound, and it gave me a new understanding of the approach that I needed to take when I topped him -- above all else, I needed to pour all of my love and longing for connection into him. In short, he had to be the focus, not my own insecurities.

I began to top him in MY way, not the way I imagined that he wanted to be topped. In some ways, the constructs of top/bottom began to dissolve -- I was both because there was glorious release to be found in serving him by leading. My way was far more gentle than he thought he wanted. It didn't always work, for sure, but he began to achieve his subspace more and more often. In fact, both of us found ourselves in the the most profoundly awestruck and ecstatic states.

The boundaries between male and female even dissolved; we began to feel that we were beyond gender sometimes, the yin and yang truly flowing into each other so much that I began to understand the cliche "I don't know where you end and I begin."

As he began to trust me, he opened more and more, which was even more difficult for him than it had been for me. Although frustrating sessions still happened, each one was an opportunity for honest communication and for developing a more profound intimacy, which lead sometimes to psychic communication. I would focus on sending non-verbal messages like "Feel me ... FEEL me!" and he would respond out loud, "I am, baby. I feel you." I can't tell you how that rocked my world!

Feeling him truly submit to me and knowing that he felt safe and cherished in doing so has changed me forever. I felt powerful, but maybe not in the way you'd expect. I felt powerful in tenderness and in awe and in appreciation for the rarity and beauty of the thing and felt that my feminity was finally able to be fully expressed.

This experience has done a lot to heal an old psychic wound -- the false dichotomy, the dualistic split I'd always felt between my masculine and feminine sides has largely disappeared. In its place is a greater understanding of gender. The alienation I'd long felt from my own gender began to disappear. I really understand now that it's the culture of these times that caused the wound and the split. I see now what is possible beyond gender.

Although I am in an open relationship, I wasn't prepared for the strength of the love and connection I developed with my lover. He took a job in another city, and three months later, I still feel like I'm missing a limb. It truly isn't the loss of the "kink" I miss, it stopped being about the sex a long time ago. What I ultimately discovered is that "kink" for me is a tool for developing intimacy, for fostering connection with a partner and with the universe, for knowing oneself and one's partner better, and for experiencing both the god AND goddess and the dark/light energies. Although I miss my lover terribly, I am profoundly grateful that I had the chance to experience him and myself in this incredibly intimate way.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't imagine either of us ever achieving it with another person.

Thank you

What a profound and transformative tale. I am heartened by all the people who have commented on this article with their own experiences. I resonate deeply with yours in so many ways that to respond fully would probably be beyond the scope of a blog comment. If you'd like to enter into a dialogue about it, please feel free to e-mail me via my contact page.

 

Going "beyond gender" is a voyage I am also on, for reasons which would easily fill another article. I think that many of our binary world views, including those in the kink community -- top/bottom, male/female, sexual/nonsexual, spiritual/nonspiritual -- are for various reasons becoming exposed as the fragile, pointless systems that they are. We only manage to be binary because we have placed our faith in that system. To deny the rigid confines of binary thinking is to abolish its usefulness altogether. It's that easy/hard/simple/complex...

thanks, and book recommendation

Thanks for such an honest and thoughtful piece. This is such a fascinating subject, especially for what it reveals about our smiley-faced culture. It seems sometimes as if we're missing something crucial to human-ness when we insist on things always feeling good. There's a great book about the religious uses of pain: Ariel Glucklich's "Sacred Pain: Hurting the Body for the Sake of the Soul" (Oxford U. Press, 2001).
Here, from p. 201 of the book, some food for thought:
"We have lost our capacity to understand why and how pain would be valuable to mystics, members of religious communities, and perhaps humanity as a whole. The role of pain, before it was displaced, was rich and nuanced, and ultimately situated persons within broader social and religious contexts. Our failure to remember—to recognize—this fact is a direct legacy of the nineteenth century’s medicalization of pain and elevation of mental disorders (followed by psychoanalytical pathology) to the understanding of human religious behavior."

Good article!

My partner and I use kink quite frequently for spiritual and magical purposes; the altered states of consciousness achieved in a scene by both the top and bottom are excellent for creating change on a number of levels. It's good to see more writing on this aspect of play and ritual. I'm linking this to the links section at  http://www.kinkmagic.com next time I update the site, just FYI.

The Inability to Recall

I enjoyed reading this article  as I am constantly intrigued by the spiritual side of the BDSM experience which I have only experience since meeting  my soul mate ten years ago.<br>

<p>Due to personal circumstances we only meet four or five times a year but it is the spiritual and emotional part of the experience which sustains me in the interim. <br>

<p>Having dabbled in BDSM on and off in the search for something I did not really understand since my late teens and usually during tines of great physical, mental, emotional hardship, I initially had some bad experiences.<br>

<p> After these I shunned the practice for many years, but eventually the need to find out became too strong for me. I then spent several years of mainly searching but occasionally experimenting, without finding what i was looking for until i met my present partner.

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My partner sees me as accepting his darker side - I do not see this as a separate side of him but part of the whole person whom I love and I accept in its entirety. For some reason, although this man inflicts great pain, it is of course always consensual and I feel safer with him than I have ever felt with anyone else in my life. <br><p>Needless to say BDSM is only a part of our relationship.<p><br><p>We write to each other about our experiences in order to get an insight into what the other is experiencing. The strange thing is that after a particularly intense scene, I am incapable of remembering anything in detail, and when he recounts the experience, it seems like he is describing a book i have read or a dream i have had. At first I felt that it was because I did not write about the experience early enough after the even. Now i've realized i am incapable of doing so.<br>

<p> Do any other subs have similar memory loss after a scene?. <br>

<p> Sophie

Postscript

Forgot to add that - contrary to what many people think is involved in ALL bdsm esperiences, I do not seek or receive or feel any humiliation in this relationship. My lover, although he sometimes canes me mercilessly, always treats me with the greatest respect - as I do him.  He never insults, abuses or mistreats me in any way, shape or form. This might sound a ridiculous thing to say after what I have said about being caned severely, but I do not consider this abuse as I submit to it willingly and he would not do it without my consent and would stop it if i asked him to and will not subject me to this if he feels I am not in the right frame of mind or strong enough to endure -- and often he sees this and i do not.

 

I accept his judgement in these cases.