Mindprints

The following interview was conducted by Gary's publisher, Lindisfarne Books, in 2003, concurrent with the publication of his A Secret History of Consciousness.
The subject of human consciousness deals with the essence of being human. It seems to be an extremely broad subject. What led you to write about this topic? Why a “secret” history of consciousness?
Well, for many people familiar with Rudolf Steiner and other similar thinkers, this history may not seem that “secret” at all. I was troubled by a very strong movement in mainstream studies of the mind and brain to “explain” consciousness. This, like so much in modern science, really means to “explain away,” with the ultimate aim of gaining control over consciousness. It struck me that there is no such thing as an abstract,“free-floating” consciousness, always only your consciousness or my consciousness. If mainstream neuroscience wants to “explain” consciousness, what that amounts to is explaining you or me. For a number of reasons I find this troubling. So I decided to put together an account of several alternative views of consciousness, none of which aim to explain it, but instead try in different ways to grasp its living essence, you might say. I should point out that there are several such secret histories. Mine is shaped by my reading and experience, but I’m sure many people could add to it. Hence I called the book “A” Secret Historyof Consciousness, not “The.”
Consciousness, being invisible, is usually spoken of in abstract, vague terms -- even as a mere artefact of physical brain activity. How is it possible to trace the development of consciousness from,say, ancient Egypt to today? For example, how would you say the world appeared to ancient Egyptians or Greeks in contrast to us today?
In the book I talk about something I call “mindprints.” These are the impressions the human mind has made on the world around it. As consciousness is immaterial -- it doesn’t weigh anything, nor does it occupy space, and so on -- it is through human artefacts that the history of consciousness can be traced.
One of the writers I discuss, Owen Barfield, traced the history of consciousness through language [History in English Words]. I think practically anything that has felt the influence of human hands can be used; Arthur Zajonc’s book Catching The Light can be read as an exercise in surveying the history of consciousness through our differing ideas and relations to light. Earlier thinkers, like the philosopher Henri Bergson, who I also discuss, saw the effects of consciousness in the evolution of life itself. One way to see how the ancient Egyptians or Greeks differed from us is by recognizing that, for them, consciousness had little to do with the head or brain, as it does for us.
For the Egyptians, the seat of consciousness was the heart; for the Greeks it was the diaphragm. The standard view is to look at these quaint ideas and shake our heads at the misguided notions of our ancestors. This, I think, is incorrect. There is a good argument that the Egyptians and Greeks thought as they did about consciousness because their consciousness was different from ours.
Is there a difference between the world we perceive and what’s “really there,” before any perceptual representation? Is it realistic to speak of “really there” without the presence of human consciousness? For example, you quote Owen Barfield as saying that “the actual evolution of the earth we know must have been at the same time an evolution of consciousness.” What does this mean in terms of our perception of the world?
This is a standard mind-numbing exercise, in the same league as “If a tree fell in a forest and no one was there, would it make a sound?” I am increasingly of the opinion -- and it can be only an opinion, as no one can ever know “for sure” -- that it is unintelligible to speak of a world that is “really there” in the way we usually do. I don’t believe the mind “creates” reality, but it does create the picture of reality we see. What is “really there,” I believe, doesn’t “look” like anything. It is only through a consciousness -- yours, mine, a bird’s, possibly a sunflower’s -- that what is “really there” begins to take on features.
Consciousness shapes what is “really there,” but we, I think, can never see what is “really there” when we are not looking at it. So, the world we see is the way it is because we are the way we are. If we alter our consciousness, the world alters, too. This lands us with a very heavy responsibility, as the world will more and more come to resemble our ideas about it.
Two frequently mentioned names in your book are those of Jean Gebser and Rudolf Steiner. How would you distinguish their views of the history of human consciousness?
Briefly, where Steiner speaks of “epochs,” Gebser talks of “structures of consciousness.” Steiner is also very forthcoming about the character of existence, age sbefore anything resembling us appeared. Gebser, while remarking that symbols like the yin-yang existed “before” the earth, does not go into great detail about this curious stage in time. But in a very important sense, many of their ideas about the evolution of consciousness are very similar. Steiner’s Old Moon consciousness, and Gebser’s mythical structure of consciousness are, I think, almost identical, aside from some differences in the time periods involved. This argues that they were both mapping out the same new terrains of consciousness. I find this exciting, as exciting as hearing of two different explorers confer on their separate travels in a very strange terra incognita.
Finally, you end on the subject of time. What is the significance of time and consciousness?
In many ways, time and consciousness seem intimately related. When we are unconscious, we are unaware of the passage of time -- likewise, when we become deeply absorbed in some activity. The opposite is also true; when we are bored, five minutes seem like ages. Time, I think, is not a single “thing.” There is historical time, our own subjective, inner time -- what Bergson called “duration”; there is the time of growing plants and the time of rotating galaxies. I end the book with a discussion of time, because practically all of the thinkers I investigate argue that the next shift in consciousness will involve a radical alteration in our experience of time. Many thinkers have said this, starting with the end of the nineteenth century: Nietzsche, Bergson, Ouspensky, Steiner, as well as Gebser and contemporary philosophers like Barfield and Colin Wilson. I think that, on a sociological level, there is ample evidence that the last twenty-five years has shown such an alteration. Something as obvious as the increased rapidity of life itself is sufficient to suggest it, as is the development of the “information superhighway” and all that business. I think we need to focus on how we can “surf” these changes and not be swamped by them, and through this we will, I believe, be intimately and immediately involved in helping the next shift in the secret history of consciousness take placein a positive way. What we need to remember -- and what I hope I make clear in the book -- is that we already have the ability to take an active part in the evolution of consciousness. It isn’t something that “happens to us,” or at least it needn’t be. Simply focusing on this possibility, and becoming aware of the creative power of our own minds, can achieve remarkable results.
Gary Lachman's A Secret History of Consciousness is available here.
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Serendipity - links to some live discussions on this very topic
Recently I published an article on RS called 'Intelligence is Self Teaching, A Journey into AI, Ayahuasca, and Intelligence itself." which begins to carve around this topic, with an appeal to broader discussion.
http://www.realitysandwich.com/intelligence_self_teaching
I introduce the article ONLY to introduce the current LIVE discussion going on around it at James Randi's discussion forum with both materialists and non materialists. It's proving a fascinating discussion between two or more distinct philosophies that I believe is proving rewarding and transformative
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=169767
Thanks for the article, just ordered the book on Amazon :)
Vee Har O
I've read several book outlines of the history of consciousness and Gary's is very accessible to the general populace, yet energetic in its ability to expand the consciousness of the reader itself. I think you'll enjoy it.I visited the forum you mentioned, but didn't see the connection to Gary's thoughts above, or to his book. That's okay though.
Gary, this interview ended way too soon. Loved your book, and have just put two more books (mentioned above) on my list. Yes, human consciousness must soon recognize its creation powers; must soon recognize that, in its current state, it is destroying the ability of its human symbiont to survive on this planet.
I think that the veil between historical time and universal time is thinning as seen from the current state of human consciousness. I'm currently reading Ring's book, Lessons From The Light, and am becoming more and more convinced that a global NDE may be necessary to eliminate the veil altogether. Contemporary NDEs may be teaching us more than how to be compassionate and to live in the moment; they may be showing us a glimpse of the consciousness of the future.
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are many thousands of words that have been written by respected philosophers about the problems involved in attempting to define consciousness.
I think it valid to take up John Dewey's view of seeing thought or thinking as a reaction to problems or difficulties that interefere with tranquitility of consciousness.
Then the object of analytic thinking might be defined as a means back to tranquility.
We can, of course, define consciousness as merely a series of self-perceptions as satisfactions. Maybe this explains the vast addictions to on-line games like solitaire or any number of variations of games with short-term objectives believed to be attainable by their players.
We might even be able to define consciousness as simply a perception of an ability to project upon time certain conditions that are attainable and realizable and upon their accomplishment the next criterion must be to imagine something that doesn't as yet exist?
This might be defined as just another form of hunger or eating.
It might even be possible that with such knowledge a form of consciousness might have evolved that involves feeding of others as a kind of program of similar satisfaction or completion of circuit that merely recapitulates a kind of principle. A never ending principle that must be performed in contrast to an opposing direction. One way is expansion and proliferation and differentiation; the other is collapsing and negating and terminal.
I'm sure there are alternatives to my short-shrift of alternatives or directions.
I think it interesting that all forms of eating results in offal that form food for other forms of life. The definition of a 'top feeder' seems always to result in a bottom feeder so that we have as yet never found any form utterly 'un-useful'.
Well. Then. So: does this define that an highest-state of being will be feeding, but feeding on none? Least harmful?
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Whatever I said: maybe the opposite! Or the opposite of the latter. You decide!