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Staying in Your Place

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In the past four years of regular medicine work I've noticed a change in the ayahuasca world. Where it was once understood as a tradition of the Amazon rainforests, ayahuasca is becoming a world-wide, spiritual practice; something as religious and open as meditation, yoga or healthy eating. As this change continues to unfold, with far fewer shamans than participants, it will be up to ayahuasca devotees to offer newcomers guidance as they strive to grow safely, and with integrity in the medicine. One of the first and simplest insights I would share about an ayahusaca practice would be this: try to stay in your place.

When I first drank ayahuasca the insights I received were as numerous as the swirling colors, out-of-body visions, psychic communications, vomit fests, and harrowing encounters with spirits and spirit "worlds." The practical teachings I brought back to my everyday life were simple but profound: drink more water, eat more vegetables, meditate regularly, get exercise, stop watching so much television, stop taking drugs and alcohol, etc. It was like spring-cleaning in a dirty old house. 

As the years have passed and my relationship to the medicine has deepened, the insights I keep close to my heart have become simpler and less material (what food to eat, what physical things to do or not do). My ayahuasca insights these days are more about the core, moral precepts and metaphysical assumptions that guide my life. Probably the most basic of these principles is a simple statement I learned this past year: Stay in your place...

About two years into my medicine experiences I was learning how to sit up with a straight spine and whistle along to the medicine songs, without collapsing or purging into a bucket on my hands and knees all night. Things were getting better. After daily meditation and yoga came into my life back at home, and I had cleaned house, I found the ayahuasca experience to be less chaotic. Ayahuasca could take me on a rollercoaster ride into my darkest secrets and shadows, but I wasn't purging all night anymore. Sometimes I was actually sitting up and singing along (although I still couldn't feel my body).

Then I took another step forward. I had a ceremony where I came face to face with a spirit creature that I can only describe as "evil." Where my usual ayahuasca encounters with intense fear or with what might be called “the demonic” had felt primarily internal, archetypal, in some way an aspect of myself or a myriad projection of past sins shaped into the form of something ugly and menancing, this was completely different. Like something as fleshy as a human being and large as a tree had appeared in the mesa, my thoughts ran back and forth trying to manage my impressions: Jesus, what is that? That’s not coming from inside of me. That’s a real demon. (On my knees. Bent over. Heart beating faster. Palms clammy and prostrate on the ground in front of me. Then trying to take off the blankets wrapped around me). Got to get these things off me and cool down before something bad happens. Before I have a seizure or something. (Hands heavy. Face hot. Afraid. Stuck. Can’t find my way out of the blankets.) Wait. Don’t freak out. Remember what to do. You’ve been here before. There is no such thing as evil. It’s just an aspect of yourself. It’s just me... It’s just…(Images of my words curling me underneath the hot blankets and onto the floor. Images of my words tempting me into the fetal position. Disappearing into myself. Formless. Point zero. Seeing black holes in space. Body slouching to the ground). I’m never doing this again.

As rapidly as these thoughts filled my head, some by words, some by colors or shapes coalescing with memories and sound reverberations from places like the busy subways of New York or the honking horns outside my Brooklyn apartment window, back at home, I fell onto the floor into a kind of helpless, fetal vomiting pose. Like Luke Skywalker being electrocuted by the emperor on the floor of the death-star. As soon as I hit the ground, the visions intensified and the creature grew larger. My stomach turned over, and I prepared to vomit. But then, for the first time instead of purging until I felt better, I prayed, authentically, for help: Please (directed exactly at no particular thing, being, or concept) I don't know anything (and in that moment I wasn't being Socratic). Help. Nothing is working. Please show me something true to hold onto. Anything at all. I want to do this without so much pain. I can't promise anything in return. I have nothing to give…

And instantly, as I admitted that I could not mentally negotiate my way into peace, that I was truly empty inside, my help arrived from somewhere or something else. I heard the words, from no particular thing, gender, astral being or concept, "Sit up and breathe. Stay that way until the ceremony is over."

I sat up. Straightened my spine. Palms falling open onto my knees. Taking a deep breath. Gaze lifting. Nostrils opening. Breath flowing evenly. The demon transfigures upward. Flowers everywhere and light so bright it could blind the sun.

To this day, I have no idea where the voice came from, but I knew it was telling me the truth. It wasn't the methodological "truthyness" of sitting up, or the theoretical underpinnings, or physical chemistry of the sitting as opposed to lying down, but the core truth of the words, "Sit, Up," extended into a flowering vision of the infinite. Grids of stars and astrological data swirling at light speed through the perfect outline of a human body meditating in a seated position.  

Regardless of whether or not the demon had been just an aspect of myself, coaching myself to believe that everything was one, like it was some kind of ultimate answer to an ultimate problem, had only pushed me further down. By sitting up and breathing the question about whether or not the demon was internal or external ceased to exist, and along with it the demon itself. They simply vanished into the light, a short tickle in my throat on the way up. And by staying in my place the rest of the night, focusing on nothing but my posture and my breathing, I made it through my first ceremony without vomiting.

I would venture to say that most anyone can relate to this particular ayahuasca lesson. Because the same pattern lives inside each one of us and has probably helped us out of some tight spots in our lives. When we are stressed out. When we are reactive. Angry. Hurried. Worried. Compulsive. Obsessed. Defeated. Ashamed. Down and out....but still, I have a light.

The breath is still coming.

The heart is still beating. 

I have the power to choose optimism.

And right then and there is born the first and most important prayer of a young adult's saintly aspirations: Please give me more love in my heart. I don't ask for power or possession. Rather that a corporate spirit of optimism be increased. In the world and inside of my heart. Help me to be firm in myself. Help me to sit strongly inside this power. Help me to love more. Help me to stay in my place without being shaken by fear.

In the medicine world an insight like this, even though it's powerful, doesn't mean all the shadows are gone, the demons illusions, the purging done for good, and the mystery of reality "solved." It simply means this: things can always get better, and every one of your tiniest efforts truly matter. If you believe in goodness, in your goodness, and in the goodness of life itself, you can encounter darkness yet stay upright without falling over. You might fall over again next ceremony, or in thirty seconds, and you might have many more ceremonies in the future to spend purging, but for now, for this ceremony, in this moment: Stay in your place. Breathe.

It's been no joke. An astronomically difficult experience has become exponentially more manageable for me by just those little words. I'm not striving to be an ayahuasca shaman or ayahuasca guru, but I know that where I first used to give a lot of advice to people embarking to drink the medicine for their first time, I wouldn't say so much nowadays. If I was asked for advice, this is right where I would start. Try to stay in your place, and remember your breath.

Of course, in my everyday life, I've seen the exact same lesson play out in different ways:

1. Gossip. There is a propensity in spiritual and visionary communities to use our psycho-analytical and visionary imaginations to diagnose each other's "stuff." Sometimes it's diagnosis plus prescription: "Oh, trust me, you just need more ‘x'." But the truth is that the most difficult things we face in our lives happen beyond the grasp of our understanding or ability to manage. Things like Haitian earthquakes or major cities being flooded. We should remember that every last one of our opinions about anything or anyone is an energy force we release. That force has the power to be creative or destructive. So sometimes it's best to keep our opinions to ourselves and stay in our place.

2. Relationships. Anytime I feel myself reacting to my romantic partner, or a co-worker, or a family member or friend, or even random people on the street or in the subway negatively, I stop and ask myself "can you stay grounded in peace right now?" If the voice in my head says "no way" and starts to argue its cause, then I know it's time to be quiet. Because, for me, the answer to this question has to be "yes."

Yes. I can stay firmly grounded in peace and love right now. I will always choose to believe that I have enough strength to do just that much, just right now. And if I can't, or I don't, then I'll forgive myself quickly, ask others for forgiveness, and find my center again. Believe it or not, most relationships in my life, even the ones I thought were dull or completely impossible, have become better because I refused to come out of my metaphorical chair to respond negatively to what I'm feeling inside.  Truth be told, if I tried to hold everyone accountable for everything I felt inside, in all of my interactions, I would have no friendships. I would be a correctional facility. Always looking to the past. A prison. I would have old systems of discourse. Structural comparisons, cynicism instead of humor, deadlines and spiritual dehydration.

The more I forgive others and balance my internal world, the more I love each person in my life. Like a big glass of water for my soul. That's been a lesson about staying in my place.

3. Work. Sometimes people think that discordance only exists within my head. Within my perceptions. I don't believe that's true. I can't go that far. Sure, I believe in the oneness of God. I believe we are all god(s), or at least that we have far more power than we know, but I also believe that God, whatever that means, is larger than all of his/her creations. In other words, I still believe in God's transcendence as well as imminence. And I'm not interested in going for personal enlightenment (where I, Adam, realizes all separation is just an illusion and God wakes back up). I believe the world has real problems. They aren't just my inability to stay "blissed out."My belief in the world's problems doesn't necessitate their existence because I'm simply not that powerful. And it's not a reflection of God's character that his creation has its share of problems, either.

I'm interested in redemption or evolution: a place where all boundaries and all of dualism are constantly moving toward higher union with God. Where there is work to do, but it's all good work. Redemption can be delayed but never, ultimately, avoided.

On that path, it is important for me to find my calling. My spiritual path. While I may not have perfect understanding of my "purpose," humility is going to be essential to my purpose, whatever it is. So I remember to ask the question, "Am I doing something to serve others right now, or am I reaching outside of myself, trying to take something and run from the work in front of me, from my responsibilities?"

More and more these days, I see the work of evolution doesn't go away just by hoping it will or thinking it's not there, or believing it's all an illusion. I can't use metaphysics to avoid following my path with integrity. Staying in my place means believing that I can and should contribute to the project of creation. Starting now.

So, where did the voice who spoke to me come from? Was it the ayahuasca grandmother? Buddhist and Christian ideals lingering somewhere in my subconscious? Exactly who uttered the phrase "Sit up and breathe" to me during the ayahuasca ceremony? Truth be told, it doesn't matter. Every religious practice has this exact same voice in common. In the coming months and years, as we face the moral responsibilities we each have, it will be important that we follow the universal voice inside of us, however we find it, however we hear it, staying true to our path, seated firmly in our place, instead of talking about reality objectively. For today, that's where I'm at with the medicine...

 

Image by Viviane Lamarlère, courtesy of Creative Commons license.

Comments

"Truth be told, it doesn't matter."

Adam, Thank you for this honest post. Very refreshing to read your words; your humility shines through. I like your approach!

wonderful advice!

surrender and observe :)

 

 

 

YES

I like the post very much, and although I have a slighty different view of the "work" portion, that ultimately doesn't matter. I'm pretty much at the same place with the medicine...enjoying the nuances of her teachings and getting more specific instruction as to who I "really" am and how to reconcile the dual nature of the spirit and human into daily life. It's all a grand play, and it's marvelous. :) I also agree with Vee Har O and the dictum, "surrender and observe". Ever since I've done that in ceremony the rewards have been beyond miraculous. Namaste, and thank you.

thanks for a very honest post

We go through many medicines and practices. In my experience, all the movements really lead to the stillness of awareness, allowing, patience, letting go... Thanks. http://www.beyond-karma.com

Thanks, Bryan

 

Hey man. Thanks so much for the affirmation of my work and for sharing your heart. It means a lot to me. It actually cheered me up quite a bit last night (was kind of having a rough day yesterday). So I read it a few times to myself. At any rate, your story is awesome, and I hope that you'll keep me updated on your path.  Definitely have to tell me what you think of my book. July 8th is coming soon!

 

lots of love,

 

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

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This article is proof positive that drugs are not for amateurs. Ayahuasca has become the new pepsi and everyone thinks they can handle it. Why don't you try Salvia? People could save all that money and traveling and still scare themselves to pieces and it only lasts ten minutes. These substances are not for everyone. When are we going to learn this simple fact?

hi ludicman

Whoa! I'm always taken back a step when someone I've never met tries to rip me a new one in my blog.

To respond a little...

I can't honor the comparison between Pepsi and Ayahuasca. I don't personally use any entheogen recreationally, although I started off experimenting with psychedelics, for sure. That being said, my experiences with Salvia were also profound. In fact,I wrote an article for Conscious Choice magazine about a year ago in defense of the ritualistic use of Salvia (it was being misused and videotaped onto youtube, etc).

I found Salvia to be a powerful teacher plant, but at the end of the day not the plant I felt most alligned with. 

My experiences with Salvia were not at all terrifying or purgative, either. But, then, not all of my ayahuasca ceremonies have been scary or purgative. 

I'm not sure how you found your conclusion, "These substances are not for everyone. When are we going to learn this simple fact?"

Maybe you could explain yourself a bit more here? 

Also, curious why you said "drugs are not for amateurs?" I wouldn't call salvia or ayahuasca, used with integrity, a "drug."

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

I think...

These substances are not for everybody, this is a fact- I couldn't imagine my aunt, for instance, engaging in this kind of journey. My experience with salvia was a lot like being bitchslapped by the universe: "Don't fuck around, little boy!" Powerful stuff... My throat closed up and I cloudn't breathe, I was thrown into a whirlwind of terrifying impressions of things I can't even begin to describe in the slightest. I came out of it just glad to be alive and sane, which is in itself a valuble lesson. 

I can see why someone would be averse to hearing someone advocate psychedelics in any capacity, be it for healing, fun, dancing all night, whatever... People come out of it scarred sometimes. I think that comment wasn't really directed straight at you, though, Adam- Ludicman was pointing out that with proliferation of the medicine people are going to have difficult, terrifying,  possibly stragiht-up negative damaging experiences, especially since there's so few people who are really skilled at this kind of work.

I feel you

 

I feel you, Bark. While writing my book the past few years I wrestled with one particular subject, and it was psychedelics. Since it was, really, psychedelics that led me out of drug abuse and into a shamanic, ritualustic, disciplined lifestyle (meditation, yoga, veganism, no drug use, etc), I wanted to raise the flag for psychedelics. But, then, about the first 20 or so of my ayahuasca ceremonies in the jungle revolved around purging and healing some pretty serious trauma I had suffered from the very same psychedelics.

In my professional life, my day job, I work with schizophrenic adults as an activities therapist/case worker. Many of my residents, I believe, misused psychedelics (and lots of other drugs, really). It's the kind of thing that led to many of their "breaks" (in my opinion). And as I meet more people in the shamanic worlds doing healing from psychedelic "Clint Eastwooding," I'm convinced that psychedelics without the proper set/setting (and even better a ritual led by a shaman or therapist) are not the way to go.

That being said, I believe that plant teachers and shamanic sacraments can also be dangerous. I've worked with some hucksters and hoodwinks in Peru.

However, none of this, for me, changes the fact that there is a burgeoning world of ayahuasca shamanism, and it's playing an important role in human evolution. People can fuss about tourism and western culture poisoning the well, but, to me, that's a pretty naive point of view that I tend to hear from people who have never actually been to the jungle and seen how inevitable the march of globalization has already become, well before ayahuasca tourists got down there.

And quickly people will find that ayahuasca, the medicinal guides of the medicine itself, who exist in the astral, are as diverse as the people of New York City. And there are storylines and globalization efforts for good and bad playing out there, too.

Ayahuasca, in my opinion, is a gateway to this astral world. Within that world there are traditions based in light that can do things to speed evolution. Things that, frankly, are quantum leaps beyond what most people are even capable of imagining. 

I feel you, though. There can be negative experiences. But, in my opinion, there's an entire world of negativity available whether you go astral or not. People wound each other every day, and people wound themselves.

I think the key thing is to realize that evangelism, as classically understood, is not really part of this ayahuasca "proliferation." Sharing is part of it. And that's as old as the first shamans telling stories around the bonfire. 

At the end of the day, the only reason someone like our "aunties" should drink...is if they want to drink and approach the experience with some degree of humbleness and personal conviction.

 

Did you feel like you learned anything from your Salvia experience? What do you make of "why" this happened? Or do you just chalk it up to being a "Bad trip"??

 

Thanks for the feedback, bark. Peace!

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

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ya, I've had to deal with schizophrenics a lot in my life as well, because my uncle is that way- he attributes it to "LSD-24" (which I believe exists but I don't think it's psychoactive) given to him as part of a time-dilation experiment conducted by CSIS when he was 13. Either way, he had a really bad acid trip and didn't come down (yes that actually does happen, unfortunately- I used to think it was propaganda). What do you think is the origin of paranoia? the "dark side" of psychedelics... I think it's to do with our pattern recognition "hardware", probably the serotonin 5ht2a receptors (affected by most psychedelics as well as atypical anti-psychotic medication). Creativity, spirituality, maybe language, and paranoia all seem to be somehow linked to this area of the brain... (this is just my unqualified internet research, but it's a pretty strong hunch... I've been mildly obsessed with this for quite some time) it seems like maybe our experience of "god" is an experience of hightened pattern recognition.

All the schizophrenics I've met are religious in one way or another, all of them see patterns where there should be none (or at least, where I see none)- many of them are gifted artistically as well. Wouldn't it make sense that schizophrenia has to do with our "archetype processing" "hardware"? Look at the effects of psychedelics- literally seeing patterns, bursts of creativity, linguistic effects for better or worse, "seeing god", a sense of deep meaning, interpreting everything in a mythic sense... and sometimes paranoia. All of these are related to pattern recognition, no? 

I think our pattern recognition capabilities are what give rise to our higher consciousness- what seperates "man from beast" so to speak... an idea seperate from a consciousness of the "pattern" it's a part of can not be used as a tool. for instance, a hammer dissociated from the behaviorial pattern associated with "hammering" can't be used to pound nails... If that makes any sense. This also gives rise to art, I think- using ideas, archetypes, as "tools".creating, recombining patterns- this is consciousness, to me.

Consciousness

 

Hey Bark,

Good thoughts. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here about consciousness. I especially liked when you wrote about what I think of as the vacuum paradox (the hammer example), or "nothing exists in a vacuum."

What interests me is the ability to train our minds to see past archetypes and patterns and to get in touch with something that is not reactive or controlled, afraid of, death/change. For example, in many of my first psychedelic experiences I was heavily seduced by my sense impressions and by my ability to see, at least conceptually, patterns (visuals, idea webs, sound harmonics, etc). With ayahuasca the patterns get to a point where they move so incredibly fast, for such a long period of time, that two things happen to me both during and after ceremony: 1. My ability to intuit and sense patterns and information improves exponentially. 2. My ability to stay centered in a peaceful, happy place improves exponentially.

The degree to which these two abilities manifest, for me, are almost directly proportional to two things that I do inside the ceremony: 1.Breathing and learning to allow the "patterns of the mind" to flow through me, as opposed to attaching to or fighting against any of them, following any of them down any rabbit holes (which often leads to fear, vomitting, etc). 2. Waiting for and trusting that, as my negative patterns express themselves, reveal themselves, and "drain," something brand new will appear (and for me so far it always does).

The more I do this the more a sort of blank center of mind has been cleared inside of me. From that clean, open space, from that newness, I have much more awareness to make moves in the everyday moments of my life, and much more awareness of what patterns, both long and short term, will help maintain or expand that center space.

For me, the emergence of this space, the expanding of this space, is kind of beyond good and evil. It's beyond truth claims or concepts, patterns, sensory information. It feels, at least to me, like something that all patterns travel in and out of. That life force comes out of. This space, to me, doesn't "seem" dependent upon anything. And the only thing required to develop it is the amount of quality time we spend with it. From there we can choose which types of energy patterns to associate with (I like to say that I prefer renewable energy sources!!).

And as I have spent time with this space, interestingly enough, my relationship to time itself seems to be changing. I am tempted on a regular basis to "claim" that the whole world will be experiencing this "change in time" as more people are expanding this space at exponential speeds.

Now, to me, this seems different than chemical, causal relationships (what I would call the patterns and movement of patterns). It certainly feeeeeels different in my body. 

I guess I'm interested in origins. And I believe, maybe this is what remains of my christian faith these days, that an origin exists (not just transcendentally but imminently). I believe I've had experiences of entering into the space of this source. 

I think a lot of people who take psychedelics mistake the speed and sheer amount of impressions and patterns for God. The aesthetic pleasure and "art" of the mind as "God." To me, this is kind of a red herring, though it doesn't have to be. It can be the source of humor, laughter, joy, as much as sorrow, violence, and fear.

Most of the schizophrenics I work with, again just my musing here, seem to have gotten pretty looped into some fairly wicked patterns at a deep, kind of root chakra (primitive/institcual) way. So they believe they ARE the patterns, usually several major ones that for some appear as voices, others as behavioral trends (called decomps). The sad thing is that most of this seems to come with a combination of drug abuse, abandonment, and major victimization events. Like a woman who is kicked out of her home, grew up being molested by her father, and was then raped on the streets, homeless, by some similarly victimized predator who had probably been molested by his father, etc.

I'm also fascinated by the idea, though, that many of these people are in some way acting as channels/mediums for society. And if we took some big steps in our mental health care system, who knows....maybe we could learn something beautiful. At the same time, I don't like to suggest that all schizophenics are shamans or anything naive like that.

Anyway, bark. Awesome exchange here. You really got me thinking and finding fun ways to express what I'm learnin these days. Good stuff!

 

lots of love,

 

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

Hey that reminds me...

What you were saying about an increased ability to determine patterns ties in directly to the hightened experience of synchronicity. It's like we're antennaes for reality and that particular serotonin system is the gain knob, or something- trippy shit. I think it might be true in a more literal sense than I originally thought- the chakra system corresopnds to the visual spectrum of colours, yeah? Also just boadering on infrared/ultraviolet. Which are mostly all contained in white light... Imagine if there were some kind of creature that refracted in gamma ray or xrays or infrared or something. (just a ramble) But like you were saying with the ability to "see" harmonics, couldn't synchronicity be seen as a "harmonic" in (at the risk of sounding cliche) reality?

Ah, this reminds me a beautiful conversation I had with my favorite space-elf this summer... Just as we got to the point in conversation of "synchronicty is like a harmonic in reality", two of our friends drove by in a car, another couple walked up and sat down next do us, someone else we knew crossed the street at the end of the block, and this psytrance DJ from a rave we were at the previous night walked up and started talking to us, simultaneously. He was like, "Hey, you know the trippiest thing about synchroncity? It happens more the more you talk about it." We were like "yeah we know." LOL

 Life is deep, in the words of my good friend Keegan...

 

The source you're talking about reminds me of the Tao, or Goddess Kali (in my interpretation)... Wherefrom all crystalization comes. The fractal seed- Lawless law. Where there's no patterns, but all patterns come from... Primordial chaos. 

"CHAOS NEVER DIED. Primordial uncarved block, sole worshipful monster, inert & spontaneous, more ultraviolet than any mythology (like the shadows before Babylon), the original undifferentiated oneness-of-being still radiates serene as the black pennants of Assassins, random & perpetually intoxicated.

Chaos comes before all principles of order & entropy, it's neither a god nor a maggot, its idiotic desires encompass & define every possible choreography, all meaningless aethers & phlogistons: its masks are crystallizations of its own facelessness, like clouds." -Hakim Bey, TAZ 

 

Thank you Adam

I remember that the lightest moments in my life was moments with tears in my eyes, saying I'm nothing and I can't play as I do in my life and I surrender to life...Meditation clears you, but these kind of moments makes you better each time.

"Anytime I feel myself

"Anytime I feel myself reacting to my romantic partner, or a co-worker, or a family member or friend, or even random people on the street or in the subway negatively, I stop and ask myself "can you stay grounded in peace right now?" If the voice in my head says "no way" and starts to argue its cause, then I know it's time to be quiet. Because, for me, the answer to this question has to be "yes." "

 

I really, really, really need to integrate this practice into my everyday life. I need to be able to remember it when I'm actually in the moment... that is the biggest challenge for me.

this *is* good advice. thank

this *is* good advice. thank you, adam.

Hmmm

It's an interesting consideration...I'll have to meditate on one of the things you said because I'm also someone who psychically senses another persons essence, feels as if I know what needs to be corrected in that person, and how I can go about doing it.

On one occasion, after boiling it all down for a long-time friend, she replied with frustration, "I can see that what you're saying is fundamentally true, but I don't know how to get there from here." I could instantly see her dilemma; her feet could not follow my path.

I became aware that day of the difficulty of shining the light of my personal insight upon another's dark path in order to immediately and permanently steady their steps, but I thought that it was then my challenge to find a way to do it so it would have my intended effect.

What you said above has helped me to realize that I can no longer be a 'correctional officer'. The visual effect was profound; it's as if I am imprisoning others in a private facility of my own judgment, with the sincere belief that under my influence they will receive the proper correction. This is not only presumptions, it is absurd.

Thanks, Adam! I'm taking off the uniform for good this time.

Thank you!

Dear Adam, thank you so much for sharing: it feels great to read a text someone who has had more or less the same experiences as oneself. You have put eloquent words to thoughts I have had for a long time, and it is so important these days when ayahuasca is becoming increasingly popular. I personally strongly recommend everyone to have an experienced person with them during a ayahuasca experience, preferably a "shaman", or better said, any person who really CAN guide people on their spiritual journey/in other dimensions. I also would like to mention, that the leader of a session should preferably be a truly loving person, and I am very serious about this. I have had terrible experiences with a person who was a very "professional" and impressive shaman with strong, dominant energy. He turned out to have immense personal problems which practically made it impossible for him to really forgive neither himself nor anyone else. Very disturbing energy to have to endure during such a ceremony... Another thing which I find important to remember is that what you see and experience during a session might be only the projections from yourself or from others: they are interesting, but nothing to be afraid of. Adam said it: breathe and be still - meditate and open to the power of love, without conceptualizing too much about it... Best wishes Susan Florries

sit up and breathe

ahhh Adam - I've always loved how you openly and honestly look around you and share what you perceive in the same manner. From the first time I read one of your essay's it was as though you hold your own light high so others can see where they are walking. Really looking forward to your book. elizibeth "We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey." - S Covey

Baby Sitting

Adam, In your words: "Sometimes its best to keep our opinions to ourselves and stay in our place". But, since you asked me...here & now ,where to begin? My point is this; you may be a good creative writer but you never get to the grist of the psychedelic. ( Since you don't like the word drug and I don't care for entheogen, let's not pick over the semantics or we'll end up like Stan Grof said eating the menu and not the food.) I'm very uncomfortable with some of your opinions in this area. Yes, I don't understand why certain people take these substances. Yes, I do think some people don't need them. Yes, I think they aren't for everyone. Isn't that why we have Shamans? It's obvious that a lot of individuals who try them end up more confused and need a lot of baby sitting. In your words: "My ayahuasca insights...are more about my moral precepts and metaphysical assumptions..." I agree that you moralize a lot in your work but I don't see the metaphysics at all. Perhaps "religious assumptions" would be more accurate. Maybe a theological background limits our understanding in these nonverbal areas? In your words: "Help me to love more". Does one need psychedelics to grasp that? Couldn't one get that easier down at the local Buddhist temple? In your words: "I came face to face with a spirit teacher that I can only describe as evil". Please, that's just plain soupy. In your words: "Help me to stay in my place without being shaken by fear." I know it is no joke but that's part of exploration. Yes, in our duality we do experience fear. However, you say as a devotee that you want to guide others. Your giving advice but you haven't gone beyond fear yet??  In your words: "Jesus, what is that?...The demon transfigures upward". Oh my, maybe you should stop having these ceremonies. Where was your guide when you were at zero point? In your words: "Breathe and stay in your place". In my words: "Shut up and work".

easier?

 

Hey Bark. First I have to say that it's tempting to not respond or engage on a discussion board when someone is flicking boogers at you! Both of your posts have such a tone of hostility. It's as if you believe that I am doing something morally dispicable. That seems hypocritical to me. I'm being religiously assumptive, morally prescriptive, etc. And to you that means "x," which you do not like and so you feel justified in being mean to me. Or trying to hurt my feelings or using this aggressive tone.

To me, this is what staying in your place is about, which is why I shared it. To be more blatantly metaphysical (and I happen to disagree that religious assumptions or assertions are a-metaphysical--that just seems a little unimaginative to me), I believe that the religious goal of many spiritual practices, and so forth, is to get in touch with what I feel I've experienced (and feel so many other peers and elders have experienced) as a source energy that exists within or through everything. That source energy exists and makes whole anything in its parts as well as its whole. So if I take the leg off a chair, the question, "is this chair still a chair," is not as relevant as the belief, the faith statement, "nothing has been lost." To me, this principle governs the interactions of what people perceive as "spirits" when they work in the astral (which is, quite literally, very difficult to open as effectively without certain tools and gatekeepers--like ayahuasca). Those spirits, or energies, are constantly in motion and constantly interchanging to create the interacting world of your perceptions and mine. However, those movements are in touch with, but somehow not completely governed by, a prime mover or a space holder. 

These assumptions, for me, are not absolute truth claims. That being said, I don't think you need absolute certainty to make truth claims or assumptions. I think that's rationalism at its most dogmatic and hypocritical. I fear that's what will cause the most tension as quantum mechanics, things like ayahuasca, meditation, etc, are studied more and fleshed out by modern science. These things do not work without human receptivity. Which is just fine. It's nothing to run away from screaming, "SUBJECTIVE!!!"

If you want to know if someone is being dogmatic, in my opinion, you don't look so much at their words but at their tone. Not trying to be a jerk, but I feel like I'm just presenting my ideas here, with a certain amount of conviction, while I feel like you are crossing a line and just being mean spirited.

I don't know that I've gone beyond fear yet. Not in some final,ultimate destinational sense. Have you?

I trust my guides. They've allowed me to wade into my fears without ever leaving me. I'm still here. And I believe that I'm a good person. I don't want to guide others. Rather, I feel that those of us who are making medicine work a lifestyle and practice should lend our help to our community. I think this takes a great deal of sensitivity, and I have felt called by spirit to share my sensitivity. Doesn't mean I will hit the nail on the head every single time. But I think if these posts spark discussions and lead to revisions in myself and in others, then we're doing good work.

Finally, no you do not need psychedelics to find God. I said as much in my post. I'm speaking specifically to people who are practicing with, or considering, the ayahuasca path. I question the assumptions that are present in your use of the word "psychedelics," as well. I know that's probably such a typical psychonautic response, but the way you use the word feels prescriptive to me.

Also, I said "spirit creature," not spirit teacher. 

 

"Shut up and work"--my guides might say that as a joke, or as a prod to wake me up during ceremony. They might even say it seriously as a reminder, but never to belittle me.

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

hey!

Wasn't me! I swear! For a second I was like, "Oh god how could I possibly miscommunicate so horrendously?" but then I realized that you actually were replying to ludicman. Please check the username of the poster beforehand... I seriously had an "oh no!" moment... LOL All good though... You make some good points- I think it's really good that you give so much time and energy to the replies on your blog, it gives the community a sense of engagement, even if it gets a little argumentative sometimes.I still don't think ludicman is intentionally being mean-spirited, it just looks like your average difference of opinion to me.

sorry bark!

 

Whoopse. My bad! Sorry about that, Bark. I feel you, and I enjoy these discussions quite a bit!

 

Adam Elenbaas

work

I like how you have singled out work. I believe that we all have work to do while we are here. I also believe in what you say 'staying in your place'. I'm assuming that you believe that all of us who have had true experiences with the divine feel a need not only to stay in our own newly found elevated place, but uproot others from their comfortable and confused position. This is where I have run into the most conflict with my own personal actions. I don't believe it is our right to try to sway others one way or the other on the path of life they are choosing, as doing so is futile. I believe that staying in our place is the execution of the divine rite of creativity. In this sense, whether others become enlightened through our own personal methods are solely up to them. The way I see it creativity is the purpose of creation as we know it.

 Hey Lan, This is a

 Hey Lan,

 This is a great point, and I find that honesty is the best way to respond to this particular question, coming from others or my own head.

I do believe that finding your highest self is in some qualitative sense "better" than being stuck in self-destructive behaviors, and ways of being. I also find it kind of trite when people pretend as if linear, hierarchical, dualistic modes of being, feeling, and relating are in some way "evil" or "less than" something more holistic, eternal, etc. To me it's hypocritical to damn dualism and hierarchy and structures and boundaries.

To me, holistic health, ayahuasca insights, meditation practice, yoga, religion---all things we use in order to hold with love the totality of our experiences. Some of which are time-bound.

Dogmatism (which is what I think we're actually talking about here) to me, is not about words or assertions, it's about the energy of our voice, the energy of our intentions. You can feel it when someone is trying to sell you something. You can feel it when someone's simply being themself and it inspires you in some way.

I explore all of this in my book, quite intensely. No wonder it's called, "Fishers of men: the GOSPEL of an Ayahuasca Vision Quest. !!

I'm hoping to explore the subject of evangelism and "work" a bit more in the next installment. I think we have a responsibility to be of service to our world, but I also think this is quite different than "evangelism" as its understood (mostly because of the Christian right wing).

Lots of love,

 

Adam Elenbaas

Godspell of ayahuasca

Adam, Thank you for the post and your comments. It is very well balanced and I appreciate that. I came back to plant medicines after a 35 year hiatus. Yoga and meditation were already a part of my daily practice and I was concerned that the use of the medicines (in my case it was mushrooms) would somehow contaminate or destroy my meditations. The opposite was true_ very much to my surprise_ as I had been willing to pay a 'meditation tax' to have the entheogenic experience. But I find I look forward to my morning meds even more than before.

  It is interesting about voices. When there is a directive from spirit there is not any doubt whatsoever. None. Zip. Nada. And I'm someone who can doubt themselves out of most anything. One week after my entheogen afternoon, while straight and sober,  I heard the voice (perhaps it would be more accurate to say I was TOLD) and it was clear and concise. The words? Simply this: "You are here to play attention."

  I've been working/playing with that ever since.

love it

 

 

I love it, man! That's a great line....

 

Adam Elenbaas

Same Message Differant Point

Its funny I worked with an ayahuascero for 6 years, studying with him, aya and several other medicines. When I read the title of your post I thought to myself, "huh... I heard that one before." But the message and the point was differant. When I was told stay in my place, I was being told to commit to the spirit of place where I lived. I was being told to seek guidance and relationships with the life place, the bioregion I lived within. Instead of seeking out some exotic/shamanic "other" from the amazon. I was told to work with local spirits and local medicines, and to grow those medicines I needed where I lived that did not come from my bioregion. I was told to work with the local animal spirits, and told that I had no reason to leave my life place my bioregion to learn. I was told to stay in my place and no longer need to go to South america or any where else, because all I needed was right in my back yard. I was told that by staying in my place and not becomeing dependant on medicines from else where and traditions from else where helped these places and traditions even more in the long run then if I participated with them as I had been doing. I was told by the vine and by the spirits and by the sacred cactus achuma these things. Very clearly. I was also told to share that with others. Its funny when I read the title of your posted I thought you had received the same message... maybe you did you just dont know it yet. I dont know. I have been wondering when more and more people where going to get this message. I some times wonder when the ayahuasca analogs movement will finally catch on? I wonder when people will start growing and wild crafting local analogs and starting their own ways of relating to these medicines? I wonder if the ethnobotanical market online will end like it is for bouncing bear ethnobotanicals? I wonder if this will make it less of a global thing forcing people to adapt locally? I wonder if people will adapt their methodologies to lightening their impact? I wonder if people will adapt their practices like the austrialians have with changa, and create new ceremonies and new traditions based on a new relationship with a very old plant? I wonder...

beautiful message

 

Great thoughts here. I like the idea of learning from the plants and animals of a particular region. I like the idea of new traditions and new experiences emerging. 

I'm not sure I see the "need" (to borrow the word you used in your post) to pit any of this against traveling to South America or participating in other regions, or bringing medicines from one region to another, or desiring the help of an ayahuasc shaman, or feeling called to work with ayahuasca rather than, say, white pine sap or Basil up here in New York. Perhaps some combination of both bio-regional sharing and flag-flying is a new tradition itself?

This gets me thinking, though. Thanks for sharing!

Adam Elenbaas

Well if your need to travel

Well if your need to travel to SA and drink aya, or fly up a shaman to your area, or your need to import medicines from another area justifys the social and ecological impact> more power too you. But being able to make that justification when alternatives that do not have that same ecological and social impact are available and the outcome is just and perhaps even more benifical to the individual as well as the communities that are impacts both human and ecological... well not making that choice is fairly self centered and irresponsible, socially and ecologically.

There are people who are no longer importing ayahausca from peru, hawaiii, brazil ect and are growing their own vine indoors in their home and harvesting the leaves. The leaves are then concentrated and added to extracts of local plants such as D. lepiota or illonensis ( mind the spelling there or any where lol) and are then being smoked cultivating healing effects that are differant but ending with the same benifical ooutcome of drinking tea in a traditional ceremony. These same people are developing their own relationship with these plants and medicines and are becoming their own curanderos, learning dirrectly from these relationships with the plants.

The real kicker here is that these people who are doing this are doing so with a minimal ecological and social impact. These people IMHO are taking the next step in healing and social as well as ecological responsability, which is what this teacher plant has been according to many been teaching them.

I see a "need" for ecological and social responsability in our health and healing as well as our learning and spiritual development. I am not seeing this as a constant in ayahuasca tourism, healing retreats in south america or when shamans are flown in, or when the drink is imported or its plants or analog plants even.

 There are quite a few people starting to figure this out and these people are devoting their time and energy to developing really amazing inovations on how we relate to this medicine and how it can be provided to people in a new yet very anceint manner that is both ecologically and socially responsible. to those people I take my hat off... 

tricky subject

 

Okay. I'm with you. Here are some of the questions that come up for me. I'm curious to hear your answers!

1. What is the "social impact" that you see here?

2. I think I have a sense of the ecological impact you are describing here, but could you talk about this in more detail? Other than airplane/travel footprints, what do you see?

3. Do you think ayahuasca is primarily a chemical experience, or something else? My skepticism is that analogs are not at all the same medicine. I have, I suppose, a kind of spiritist understanding and relationship to the plants (which it kind of sounds like you do too). So I'm curious to hear how you reconcile analogs with the use of the traditional ingredients (at least the base two--vine and leaf).

My own involvements outside of Peru are things that I'm hesitant to speak about. That being said, I think a good majority of serious practitioners and traditions functioning here in the US are harvesting and growing, like you said, closer to home than Peru. Does that satisfy your call for local farming? Or do you want each of us to become our own shamans with our own plants?

 I have to say that I'm not too fond of the idea of people growing themselves and becoming Curandero's on their own. I know that's how it's been done in the jungle for a long time, but I think some form of guidance is also essential to teaching our culture about respect for the medicine and relationships to plants themselves (plants can be posessive, jealous, lustful, etc). Some protection and guidance seem like a good idea.

Okay. That's about it for now...

 

Adam Elenbaas

Hi Adam, Its great to

Hi Adam,

Its great to have this dialog with you. To many people just have a knee jerk reaction to this and shut it down.

These are super great questions. Ones that have all been discussed over and over again on the vegetalismo tribe over the years at tribe.net.... now defunct.

The social impact is inherintly tied into the ecological, it is so multifascited that it would take me for ever to track all of the details here for you. So I would like to try to get it down to a more simple way of putting it. You dont see the social relationship to the ecological impact and that in and of it self is a problem that global out sourcing and ecclecticism creates as well.

But to give just a few examples... and it really is just a few. It requires Oil. This oil comes from say the Ecudorian Amazon. the shuar people live there. They drink caapi vine but call it natema. These people are at war with the oil companies. The oil companies are destroying their land and if they destroy the land they destroy the people. We support this process every day buy out sourcing aya and curenderos, importation and exportation is dependant on oil. This in turn effects the land of the shuar and in turn effects the shuar. There are MANY MANY MANY more examples. But I want to let you really take a look at the interconnectedness of social and ecological impacts that we fascilitate everyday by participating in non-local economies, practices ect.

Did you know that the chemical in jet fuel gets dumped often before landing, which then gets into wet lands and water supplies. this chemical can be now found in nearly every womans breast milk and is a chromesome mutagen linked to cancer and certain birth defects... its also kills frogs... frogs man... frogs... the symbol of cleansing.

These birth defects and cancer cases have an impact on us socially. Personal impacts are hard to chart, but people going bankrupt to cure their cancer is a social impact that many people just in this country can relate to.

There is so much more... When a community out sources what it needs from some where else they cease very slowly to care about the impact they have on that some where else they cannot see, and they cease to care about the impact they have on where they live. In the later case they do not see that the minimalls that are springing up are connected to the destruction of wild life in wet lands just as an example. The plant and animals are effected, but the people are effected as well. Out sourcing robs communities of local jobs and healthy relatiopnships with their communities natural resources. if you ever grew up in a logging town you would see this impact 100% the ecological impact of exporting timber transforms in to explotation of the land and the people and when they are spent the people are left with nothing because the lumber companies pull out and you see crime and social sickness spring up like the black death. lack of education, methamphatamine addiction, oxycotten addiction, heroin use, parents protituting their own daughters, new mothers drowning their own children in the bath tub. I work as a case manager in a rural community These are actual things I see everyday.

Now when we import or export anything that requires the huge industrial complex to do so we turn our backs on healthy alternatives but we also turn our backs on the human and other than human biotic communities that we are impacting. We justify this because this is the way of the world, and we LIKE IT. It fullfills our desires.

We dont have to do this! But we choose too...

I could go on and on and on... just pointing out relationships. But instead I recomend reading books that are out there that talk about the disators of global economy.

Do I think that ayahuasca is primarily just a chemical experince?

I am not sure how to answer that... It would seem that people tend to seperate the chemical and the physical fromthe spiritual with questions oriented in that manner. I dont do that. I am an animist. Spirit and matter are one. Even molecules.

I also have a spiritist relationship with the plants (also chemicals, why not?) the plants that have the chemicals that ayahausca have provide experinces that are nearly identical in effect to that of an ayahausca experience. But yes they are differant. But that differance does not mean that they are inferior at all.

Some one said once that these plants are the communicator species of the biotic world, which includes the natural worlds transpersonal expressions too IMHO. These plants can establish a relational resonance with place. They keep you health, as winkleman pointed out they are psychointigrators that allow people to adapt to place and establish healthy relationship dynamics with self and place and other than human persons of place. Thats not all they do but its a part of it. big part.

Growing and harvesting local plants or plants that are grown locally to the biotic community we are ONE with allows for a certain resonance to occur. We start to care about where we live because its healing and teaching and feeding us. This last point can NOT be underestimated or over looked.

The local plants are part of the place we call home, with the aid of caapi leaves which can be easliy grown in any ones home, people can establish a relationship with these plants. this is what vegetalistas have been doing for centuries.

" My skepticism is that analogs are not at all the same medicine. " why would we need the same medicine as the people of the amazon? when a variation or subtype of that same medicine would help us more effectively in fulfilling our needs and having less of an impact on the world at the same time?

"That being said, I think a good majority of serious practitioners and traditions functioning here in the US are harvesting and growing, like you said, closer to home than Peru. Does that satisfy your call for local farming? Or do you want each of us to become our own shamans with our own plants? "

I think that is wonderful, more power to them! not every one has that option in a sustianble manner. So for those that can grow all of their medicine needs at home or closer to it thats great.

Do I want each of us to become our own shamans with our own plants? I think we have the potential for that to occur. What I would like is for people to listen to that quite voice of the spirit of place and to extend their personal identity to that of the land beneath their feet just as every animist has around the world since the dawn of time. We participate in animist ceremonies drink their potions but do not listen to the land as they do because we are so distracted with our desires for new and exciting, exotic, different things IMHO. I think that a plant from the amazon grown in a green house in new Mexico becomes part of that spirit of place and can and will communicate as a part of that place with and through the nervous system and spirit of the human that drinks it or smokes it. Of coarse a jungle person like the caapi vine speaking for the desert and to people of the desert needs to be looked at a little closer...lol

" I have to say that I'm not too fond of the idea of people growing themselves and becoming Curandero's on their own."

That is perpetuating some Ideas on shamanry and animist healing that might really need to change honestly, because i think they are based on some interesting assumptions. in some amazonian societies and some animist societies there are no such thing as shamans or curanderos because every one in that society is encouraged to be "one who knows" themselves. In the case of one amazonian culture that drinks caapi tea, the plants are the teachers and they learn from them all they need to know and every one knows as much as they can learn. there is no hierarchical or centralized curanderismo or shamanic tradition.

We have to ask ourselves if emulating this relationship dynamic that we see in Peru and SA is really suitable for fulfilling our needs in the united states.

" I know that's how it's been done in the jungle for a long time, but I think some form of guidance is also essential to teaching our culture about respect for the medicine and relationships to plants themselves (plants can be possessive, jealous, lustful, etc)."

If we relate to the plants as being that way that is the kind of relationship we are going to get from them. How much of that is transference from the cultures and individuals working with them? If we empower each other and decentralize the role of healer and teacher and take it out of a hierarchical stance we can learn and heal in a more synergistic model, instead of the conflict oriented manner you see so commonly in SA.

"Some protection and guidance seem like a good idea."

I agree! but what are we protecting ourselves from really? also what kind of guidance do we need and what are we being guided to? These are questions we need to answer for ourselves instead of taking other peoples words for it. if we empower each other and trust each other and ourselves the guidance we receive from our piers the plants and the natural world is priceless.

Medicine societies can be created to help, empower and support people, medicine circles are already doing just that. We can learn a lot from other peoples ways of relating but honestly we must form our own way of relating in order to be healthy and wise. We are not going to do that if we become co-dependant on other traditions, healers and medicines and life ways that are not our own co-creation.

Good stuff

 

Hey Lightning,

These are just such good posts you are writing. I was definitely humbled to be reminded of the oil factor in traveling back and forth to South America, though these days (again without saying too much here) I feel my own involvement with medicine practices have a lot of integrity in terms of eco-impact.

How do you feel about "lesser evil" arguments? Just teasing some of this out in my mind. I'm especially thankful for this since I'm sure I could be fielding a lot of very similar concerns when my book is published and people start asking me questions. It's not like I haven't considered this kind of stuff, but I don't think I've really formulated my own personal position (so this is really cool to chat with you about).

What about these ideas:

1. Divisive trends on the planet right now aren't stopping to think of Jet-fuel. Although it would be great to stop and think of Jet-fuel and the wetlands, isn't it more important to learn as much as we can, as quickly as we can, from plants like ayahuasca, in order to adjust things like oil in Ecuador (to use sloppy summary).

2.  Encouraging shamanic culture sharing, plant-medicine transporting, etc, is actually more evolved than regionalism? Consider a few of my thoughts here:

I have a friend whose really into working with local plants (white pine lately), and her rap is very similar to yours. My argument, however, is always that, to me, this "locale" is somewhat deceptive when working in the astral. People as plants, for example, have their roots in many places other than their immediate environments. This could be karmic, from past lives even. I'm just not certain enough to stick a sharp flag into the physical ground around me. Know what I mean? And, isn't it all the same earth anyway?

However, I reallllly dig what you're saying about growing ayahuasca plants at home and about the plants immediately fitting into whatever place they are in. However, it's not legal to do so, so I think we run into some big problems there. When working with an illegal substance that, to us, is a medicine, for the purpose of healing ourselves and the world (from things like oil dumping in Ecuador), which is the lesser of evils? Growing these plants illegally and possibly jeapordizing the integrity of an entire movement? Or is it flying to South America? Hard to say, right?

In one instance we support vigilantism with regard to our culture, breaking the law and taking illegal medicine plants, but when it comes to the culture of the local land, you propose that we shouldn't go against the law of our local eco-system (okay, that's a bit of a stretch, but do you feel what I'm getting at?).

I also like your ideas about non-hierarchical medicine circles and training. I think that the Santo Daime is an excellent example of a collective ayahuasca practice. Such a beautiful medicine practice. And they are legal here in the US, at least in Oregon, and very conscious about their brewing and harvesting. Proves it is possible to do the right thing all the way around, I like to think.

I was led in a ceremony lately to give a small donation to the church's ongoing legalization efforts. What better way to help the entire situation? 

You are right that if we approach plants with certain assumptions about them that they might just act that way. But I also know that plants can choose to act for themselves. And not every plant likes people or wants to help us. I don't romanticize plants too much after my dietas! 

Protection from what? And what is the goal? To me, the goal is to grow closer to God and the light. It takes work, I think. I realize there is a kind of conservatism present in these statements that you might not resonate with. But I'm only speaking for myself and what I'm learning from the medicine. Along that path, I think we need protection from our own selfishness. We have to learn to recognize the voice of God, guiding us, and then align ourselves and hold the line. And not everything out there is benevolent. Predators are real. They aren't just projections of your mind (though they can be). And if we meet them, we have to be firm in ourselves and love in order to stay safe.

Anyway. This is fun. Adam-out!

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

Very much enjoying the

Very much enjoying the dialog myself. I have spoken on these subjects for so many years now, it gets hard to repeat myself but its always rewarding. It is especially nice that you will be answering questions with the public after your book comes out, seeing how this is a subject we both have knowledge and passion about, it feels good to be able to talk about this with you prior to the books release.

These questions though I really wish deep in my heart I did not have to answer. I wish that there was no need even for these discussions, and its this wish that I work to manifest for future generations.

"1. Divisive trends on the planet right now aren't stopping to think of Jet-fuel. Although it would be great to stop and think of Jet-fuel and the wetlands, isn't it more important to learn as much as we can, as quickly as we can, from plants like ayahuasca, in order to adjust things like oil in Ecuador (to use sloppy summary)."

Right now in this question there lies a really deadly snake. Perhaps a few honestly it could be a whole nest! These trends and this desire to ignore our own impact, to put the importance of learning as much over the well being of others? This is an attempt to justify how we participate in causing a childs birth defects or death, and a mothers breasts being removed. Ask the mother if this justification works for her? 

In the same vien some one once said in regards to entheogens " when you get the message hang up the phone." Now in this case we have to ask ourselves, do I need to perpetuate and make these justifications when there are other options available that may be ultimately more benifical for every one in the long run? We have learned SO much already but this knowledge is useless with out wisdom.

"2. Encouraging shamanic culture sharing, plant-medicine transporting, etc, is actually more evolved than regionalism?"

High synergy is more evolved... syngery with right now right here.

"I have a friend whose really into working with local plants (white pine lately), and her rap is very similar to yours. My argument, however, is always that, to me, this "locale" is somewhat deceptive when working in the astral. People as plants, for example, have their roots in many places other than their immediate environments. This could be karmic, from past lives even. I'm just not certain enough to stick a sharp flag into the physical ground around me. Know what I mean? And, isn't it all the same earth anyway? "

It’s not all the same earth at all. Each place has its own persona, it is a network of interwoven individuals forming synergistic relationships through diversity of biotic forms and climatic systems. The Greeks and the roman talked about the genius loci, some people see this as the spirit of place itself. yes all is one, you and I all one, we share one collective consciousness yet we are also individuals. Correct? I may have many past lives but this is the one I am living now. I may be one with the whole earth as might a plant, but that plant and i live and are a part of one small piece of land which has an effect on us and we in turn also have an effect on. It puts being here now in a different frame work.

Close your eyes and Imagine that the spirit of Gaia has one soul and this soul manifests as all things each snake and blade of grass is one with this collective gaian soul and so are you. Each bioregion or complex network of ecosystems are a person, they have an awareness, thes snake and the blade of grass is that place, and they know it and work as it to live in a balanced synergist manner. We have to discover this and cultivate and awareness of this. This is basically ecopsyche and new cosmology, Brian Swimme and the like point this out.

Though we are one with the entire cosmos, my eyes and the souls of my feet are in one place... it is not deceptive when you are grounded and centered and open to the whole at the same time. TRUST ME!

"However, I reallllly dig what you're saying about growing ayahuasca plants at home and about the plants immediately fitting into whatever place they are in. However, it's not legal to do so, so I think we run into some big problems there. When working with an illegal substance that, to us, is a medicine, for the purpose of healing ourselves and the world (from things like oil dumping in Ecuador), which is the lesser of evils? Growing these plants illegally and possibly jeopardizing the integrity of an entire movement? Or is it flying to South America? Hard to say, right?"

Ok I am sorry but your very misinformed... None of the ayahuasca analog plants or the plants themselves that are traditionally used to make ayahuasca are illegal to grow, or possess, or sell on the online ethnobotanical market or even at the local head shop. None of these are illegal what so ever. AND not only that but there are SOOO many plants that can be used as tryptamine sources and even a few betacarboline sources that even if the laws did change there would never be any stopping people from making ayahuasca analogs.

For example... Demanthus lepiota (spelling) and demanthus Illonoensis (again check spelling) also called prairie mimosa, was selected as a grazing crop for cattle and planted through out the united states... this plant is every where growing wild. and in some places is growing with the invasive plant syrian rue right beneath its branches... no joke... we have two plants that have been found by collectors growing right next to each other which can create the identical pharmacological effects as the ayahuasca plants do. How about that? I think that’s pretty neat honestly! These plants grow like wild fire and K. Trout has written books on extracting from them, not only that but people have been finding new and amazing ways of extracting the chemicals in ways that are completely ecologically safe and sound.

Yes extracting these is illegal, at least the trypatime plants is... however so is making a tea in the united states, bringing a shaman up to serve tea is also illegal, having the tea shipped up is also illegal. Unless you are a part of a sanctioned church. If you have to break the laws of man to uphold the laws of nature so be it. I would go so far as to say that we must uphold and respect the laws of nature and challenge the laws of man when they conflict. If we must justify further our participation in giving a woman breast cancer or a child birth defects by stating well its against the law to brew the tea outside of this or that church... I for one just can't make that justification, and any healing or personal merit that I may gain through healing and learning from these plants is nullified by this participation.

"You are right that if we approach plants with certain assumptions about them that they might just act that way. But I also know that plants can choose to act for themselves. And not every plant likes people or wants to help us. I don't romanticize plants too much after my dietas!"

The deita and the relationship dynamics between people and plants are often culturally "colored" Once again...The way we relate to these plants impacts the way we perceive them and how they relate to us... The UDV and damie are classic examples... they might as well be working with a different plant by how they relating to them in comparison to meztiso curanderos. The relationship dynamic of a buddhist animist ayahauscero for example my be very different from that of a traditional catholic shipibo curandero. The plants are going to respond very differently... in some ways entheogens show us what we wish to see until we can see that they do this and show us what lays behind the veil. there are many very capable shamans and religious leaders that never see beyond their own viel, which is fine and it even works for them and their communities... but its not a clear perception of what’s really happening. When you meet healers and visionaries that have learned to see past this, your really in for a treat and a real powerful challenge.

"Protection from what? And what is the goal? To me, the goal is to grow closer to God and the light. It takes work, I think. I realize there is a kind of conservatism present in these statements that you might not resonate with. But I'm only speaking for myself and what I'm learning from the medicine. Along that path, I think we need protection from our own selfishness. We have to learn to recognize the voice of God, guiding us, and then align ourselves and hold the line. And not everything out there is benevolent. Predators are real. They aren't just projections of your mind (though they can be). And if we meet them, we have to be firm in ourselves and love in order to stay safe."

Adam these are really important stages of spiritual growth... but they are not the dead end.

I will give you a really interesting example to chew on and leave it at that... In santoria, barquina, Voudon, even Christianity and many other possession oriented practices and religions that believe in possession the world over, there is perceived a transpersonal other, a spirit or intelligence that is separate from your own that can and some times will possess you take over your body and mind some times with your consent some times with out. This even occurs in Islam, there are even some great videos on you tube of Islamic possession and exorcisms, great stuff... any way... lol.. This other is in possession of you. What makes this possible is the belief in the transpersonal other.

NOW... in Tibet they have possession rites as well. The Lhamos ( or shamans, Lhamo means god-man) of Tibet will get possessed by gods and demi gods to do healing and even the Great Official oracle of Tibet gets possessed by a great bodhisattva in a trance dance ceremony. Deity embowerments are a frequent practice as well. But the difference is between the Tibetans and these other traditions is that the Tibetan tradition is nondual, and has a very intimate knowledge not belief mind you but knowledge that there is no such thing as a transpersonal "other" there is also no inherent self. so if there is no other and there is no self then there is no such thing as possession. So what do these people call this phenomena then? they call it embodiment. They manifest, invoke those aspects of the whole, the cosmos that they are. In the case of Lhamos the embody and become Wrathful deities which are spirits of places, mountains lakes streams, mountains, valleys that have been converted to serving the Dharma (which is a complicated thing to explain)... These god men and women, these Buddhist animists embody that which they are to effect healing, growth and change.

The point I am making here is that these people have a more complete and educated perception of the phenomena of what other traditions call possession. Just as when we see a cargo plane dropping off groceries in the Alaskan outback we don’t establish a cargo cult and blame the gods when it doesn’t show up... they do not perceive the phenomena of possession as possession. I am not a cultural relativist but I am also not attempting to demean any cultures either in making this statement.

This same basic analogy runs across a wide spectrum of phenomena that we experience in shamanic work and working with entheogens. Are we being attacked by a transpersonal other? is there a transpersonal other that is the light outside of myself that I need to just bow to allow within myself? These dramas and processes that occur often within entheogenic experiences will fade to white when you get the point... you will feel a great burden unloaded from you and you will feel oneness like never before and you will see beyond the illusions projected by our collective mind for the benefit of your edification. An insight you never had before will come and you will be liberated from a specific facet of suffering.

All in all I want to leave you with this... we can heal, learn and grow in a way that is responsible for the impact of that growth, learning and healing. We have hit an important stage where we have learned a lot from these traditions and plants and places and at a great sacrifice to the well being of life on this planet. If we do not honor that sacrifice our mother, pachamama made then we soil it. if the mother must nurture us to the point where she must have her breast removed because of the damage we cause in doing so... my god... where si the wisdom in that... what of the future generation that must be nurtured by that breast?

Indeed this is fun...

 

Adam, Great essay. Thanks

Adam, Great essay. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I look forward to reading more and learning from your experiences. ~ Rebecca Lerner

Did I end the conversation?

Did I end the conversation? Never heard a response.

  Hey

 

Hey lightning,

 

Yeah, to be honest you kind of did. Not that I sat down and was like, "I'm not going to respond to THAT."  I enjoyed some of what you said in your last post, but there were a few things that didn't sit well with me.

 

"It's not a clear perception of what's going on..."

 

"TRUST ME!"

 

"Right now in this question there lies a deadly snake..."

 

And..

 

"These dramas and processes that occur often within entheogenic experiences will fade to white when you get the point... you will feel a great burden unloaded from you and you will feel oneness like never before and you will see beyond the illusions projected by our collective mind for the benefit of your edification. An insight you never had before will come and you will be liberated from a specific facet of suffering."

 

These statements, to me, clouded the rest of whatever points you were trying to make. They felt condescending. And after re-reading your post a few times, I wasn't sure who was speaking in your post, and to who, and for what reason, exactly. I had felt clear with our conversation, mostly, up until that point. 

I lost interest  in the conversation (not intentionally, again, just didn't come into my mind to respond). You made good points I thought. I didn't agree with most of what you wrote, and I found your bit on local shamanism particularly ironic considering the context of our convo (realitysandwich on theWorld wide web).

 

Anyway. No hard feelings. Hit me up on my next piece later this month. Maybe we'll find something new to debate!

 

peace--adam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

Places

Thanks for this. Your title stood out to me for reasons I will sort out in the near future.  I have some healing and breathing in my future as well.  Timely indeed. 

Re: lightenings post.

Hi Adam,I followed the flow of the posts between you and little lightening bolt.I agree with how you interpreted the last post. I got the resounding impression that he was clearly making the "I am the teacher and you are the student" stand. Then the flow stopped as it should have. I too found it disappointingly condescending. There are many paths that lead us to the same one truth. I believe that the human pinnacles of all different forms of spiritualism know this to be true and respect the diversity of the paths we choose to follow in finding that truth without judging.I believe that the ayahuasca or ethneo/spiritual medicines are beneficial to those ready to receive them. I believe that these are those whom you are addressing by sharing your experiences and I thank you for it. I would like to expand on your statement about schizophrenia caused by drug abuse or as another ayahuasca journeyer once described as a psychotic break during use who was able to continue using the ayahausca under the care of a shaman and heal.If you look up the word Faith you will find Trust and vice versa.Semantically speaking they are one in the same but I beg to offer a difference here.Faith is something projected outwardly, ie; I believe in something greater than myself which can assist me and will assist me and the outcome will be positive and restorative of my trust.Trust is something you possess and have to offer up or give, it's seen by some as a surrender of personal power and if given to the wrong person or spirit the consequences will be dire and the responsibility of impending doom falls on the giver.Finally there is hope, wishing...hope is what fills the space in between first trusting and finally gaining faith...ie; I'm trusting so I hope this works out okay in the end leaving me with faith....everything worked out..ahhh, sigh, relief.So it goes in this order, first you surrender your power in trust and second you hope for the best....third and lastly comes faith it is the outward acknowledgement of the universe that your were heard, your prayers were answered, your wish was granted...etc. What has been given has been received and the giving of your trust is rewarded with a response of a fulfilling and restorative outcome. This positive outcome is in fact the energy of Faith itself. It's what makes us believe in love. Trust is an energy action and Faith is it'senergy reaction. I believe that this energy field has been broken in the psychotic break or schizophrenia of these souls. Something has caused this lack of trust and without it we can become stuck in this frightful state of confinement or spiritual paralysis.  Best of luck with your book.

super interesting

Wow. Such an interesting perspective on the words trust, hope, and faith. Really saw and felt the truth, down to my bones.

I see faith and trust as the same thing. I think they can be used to express the same thing, anyway.

 Here's how I would differentiate.

 

If I have faith or trust, then I am never trusting in someone or something. Rather, I am experiencing trust or faith. Trust = how it feels when you are trusting. Faith = how it feelings when you are faithful.

 To me, faith, trust, and hope, or just the word optimism, are expressions of the idea that we are not placing our trust in someone, something, an outcome, a desire, an expectation, or any "thing" else. More like we're standing in the knowledge of God's love, which lives in all things to it's utmost potential, at all times, perfectly.

 We only think that the words mean placing OUR trust into SOMEONE or SOME OUTCOME because we are not 100% in the experience of faith. The Universe allows us to experience faith, love, truth, hope, optimism, God, etc, to the degree that we choose. Reality is the relative experience of the one absolute.

Really, trust in anything is impossible. It's an abstract and conceptual state of being. It's projections of emotions, ideas, and images. True trust is the experience of trust. True experience of anything IS faith, IS love, IS God.

We're having it all the time. So, whenever we access it, surrender into it, trust in it, believe in it, find it, know it, become it, walk it, etc, then it's all good.

 Enough of these experiences and our perception of time starts to shift because time is only an aspect of the feeling that we can be more or less, further or closer to the center of being.

This is why I use the words interchangeably, because I've had experiences that have made the words (among other 'things') synonymous.

Does that make sense?

 

Still, your definitions here are super keen. I really dig them. I think they are really useful, and I especially like how you see them related to schizophrenia.

 

My book website is done! Check it out: www.fishersofmenbook.com

 

peace,

 

Adam Elenbaas

Thank you for this posting,

Thank you for this posting, Adam. I have been finding myself in a pretty bummed out place recently, and your words were exactly what I needed to read today. I have been back from the jungle for 3 months now. I studied with the medicine for one month, and was attempting to film a documentary about the organization that hosts the world travelers that find themselves apprenticing in the medicine. My primary reason for being in the jungle took the back seat as I found myself bonding with ayahuasca. I watched those around me, some had been drinking for years, struggle with the medicine. I observed their battle like mentality that was so incredibly rooted in fear. I saw them struggling on the floor and realized that it is possible to drink ayahuasca for the rest of your life, and that it is not guaranteed that you will ever actually 'get it'. I observed others stuck in a cyclical sort of purge. Re-purging things, suffering in ceremony and be stunted in their growth. As much as I can see where this struggling, battle-like mentality comes from (the desire to control the uncontrollable, the desire to always be the masters of our own 'reality'?) I must confess, I never understood how it was so hard to see what must be done to find a harmony with the medicine (which is really just harmony with the self)... To surrender. After two weeks of ceremony I received the message, 'breathe and surrender'. Although incredibly nervous, I followed those intsructions with all of my heart, only to find complete unity with my higher self and the medicine. I had a few cermonies that I tuly believe saved my life. I moved to a chair the next ceremony and found that as I gained the ability to focus my breath and posture and set my intentions, my cermeonies intensified in downloads of wisdom, lessons of healing, countless other completely amazing things and the ability to even help others with their vomit buckets and aid in purging. Not to say that I didn't still get my ass kicked or that my purges were any less intense, or nerve-wracking, but I had an ever growing sense of faith that I could handle them, that I could bare them with a sense of willingness, grace and humility and in turn maximize my potential to learn. From this point forward I made astronomical leaps in the medicine and was eventually approached by our shaman and offered the chance to be his apprentice... Hours before my flight back to the states. Now here I am. Trying to finish this documentary. Trying to figure out where to go with all of this next. All I can do is listen to that inner-voice, be obedient even when it requires the hardest work, and make sure that I am opperating in integrity, love and peace. I have put everything in my life on the line to follow, what I feel, is my path. To continue in faith and really, just focus on breathing. Thank you for your words. I have been feeling a little down the past few days and your posting has truly been inspiring.

lots of love to you

I feel supported reading your response, lori. If you need interviews or any networking help for your documentary, let me know.

 

My book comes out July 22nd. Have you seen my website yet?

 

www.fishersofmenbook.com

 

I'll be excited specifically to hear back from my peers in the ayahuasca world after my book comes out. 

 

Really, thanks for writing. Please hit me up on facebook if you want to email and need any support integrating. We never walk alone!

 

lots of love to you,

 

 

 

Adam Elenbaas

my additions to the conversation

Adam, I really enjoyed the post and the subsequent conversation. I feel I could benefit by sitting up and breathing through my entire life. Sometimes I feel I'm just trying to opt out of being present, like some defensive reaction to the pain of being. I also like your advice on dealing with relationships, I'm really working on finding the pause to stay in conscious peace and not just blindly react. It's a challenge I'm working on for sure. Actually, RS and Evolver have been helping me with my relationships. They've been helping me to say what I mean and then sit back and work through any obstructions to love that come up with people who have different perspectives. Sometimes I'm surprised to find that it's my own criticism that attacks what I say the most, and this too is helpful, for I am able to see the background dialogue that's in my head before anyone else even enters the conversation.

I'm also fascinated by the idea, though, that many of these people are in some way acting as channels/mediums for society. Yeah, I feel like we're all playing fractal roles in humanity. I feel like I'm carrying a sliver of humanity's transpersonal baggage, and when I work through it I am working through a tiny piece for humanity. Like I'm both Jewish and German, and it's like I've got both sides of the trauma raging in me, and I feel as I process it I am processing a tiny piece for the whole. I also feel it's all working through the family lines, too, and that sometimes a lot of the family line's weight is carried by particular family members who exhibit signs of sickness. I feel like sometimes then the family wants to get rid of that family member in some unconscious urge to purge the sickness that the family member is holding, except it doesn't work like that, it has to be processed. Anyway, that's a thick subject to get into, but I just feel so intensely when I think about the level of emotional suffering a lot of our fellow humans are carrying. I just want to take care of them all and help them heal. They are important eyeballs of the world. Their suffering is not to able to be swept under the carpet. It is ours.

 Little Lightening Bolt, I really enjoyed the time you put into your posts that educated me more about the local analogue options. I do feel that ayahuasca misses its jungle when done in a different locale. It would be cool if I could interact consciousnesses with a plant that I share my life with. That would be a very deep relationship. I also wanted to say that I appreciated your perspective of jet fuel. Although I think if I felt in my heart it was the right decision for me, I would travel to the Amazon, but I like to consider all the impacts of my decisions. And perhaps if I followed this path I might eventually lead to a point of discovery that that isn't the wisest decision after all. Maybe that would be my path to learning.

 "Spinning in circles / Walking a straight line." - Trey Anastasio

great article and even better discussion in the comments

Thanks for this article Adam, and especially for the discussions in the comments. There are lots of great points made and lots to think about. A couple of things in particular stood out and I would like to add to the discussion.

Just recently Rak Razam did an interview with Dennis McKenna and released it as a podcast. http://in-a-perfect-world.podomatic.com/entry/2010-05-04T14_32_27-07_00 One of the topics brought up was about 'globalhuasca' and the development of ayahuasca analogues. McKenna made the point that in order to grow the collective consciousness "We have to develop our own shamanic rituals, our own relationships to these things that are more integrated into our society, so that it can move through society in a more appropriate manner. Along with working with this plant technology and learning how to use plants in our environment, learning the globalhuasca wisdom if you want to call it that. We have to be careful to avoid rigidity and dogma. We have to develop methods that work that are not controlled by any religion, or any corporation, or even any particular indigenous group. We have to do it on our own."

I'm not terribly concerned about the ecological impact of ayahuasca tourism because the combined numbers of ayahuasca tourists to Peru in a month wouldn't fill up more than a couple of the hundreds of flights into Lima. That being said, if the traffic to Peru was people who are dedicated to learning plant medicine and are coming to get an education that they will take back home to integrate into a local practice then the cost of the flight will be minimal compared to the benefit.

And as far as the legality of the use of entheogens in the US, I refer you to the statement made by St. Augustine, "An unjust law is no law at all."

Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading your new book :)

great post...

Just came across your post and read it a few times.

Been going to ceremonies for just a little more than a year (mostly Daime ones and never in the Jungle). I'm still struggling with a lot of fear (more like terror really) and pretty much every single time I think "why am I doing this to myself? I'm never ever doing this again". But I keep going back not sure why...

I thought it was very interesting that you talked about staying in your place. Santo Daime is very much about staying in your place it's in lot of their songs. I was wondering if you got that insight after going to a Daime ceremony? It used to make me angry that they encourage people to stay in their places. Especially when I'm going thru hell laying on the floor wishing it was over... Now I get it although I can't do it very often:)

resonance

Just came across this article, and it is amazing how much it resonates with Santo Daime. (And even more synchronicitous, the last poster before me also pointed out this resonance.) "Stay in your place," in fact, is repeated constantly in the Daime hymns. The other word that is constantly used is "firmeza" (or firmness). Your article expresses the meaning of firmeza -- for example:"If you believe in goodness, in your goodness, and in the goodness of life itself, you can encounter darkness yet stay upright without falling over. You might fall over again next ceremony, or in thirty seconds, and you might have many more ceremonies in the future to spend purging, but for now, for this ceremony, in this moment: Stay in your place. Breathe. It's been no joke. An astronomically difficult experience has become exponentially more manageable for me by just those little words."This whole article sounds so much like a Daimista approach to the medicine. Your discussions about gossip, relationships, and work sound like they express a Daimista perspective. Not saying that all Daimistas think alike, of course, but it just sounds a lot like what I hear expressed in Santo Daime, especially by the elders.