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In the late eighties, I was the book service manager at the C. G. Jung Foundation in New York. I would oftentimes meet the major Jungian analysts in the world. One day, one of the most famed Jungians of England was in the bookstore. Taking advantage of one of the perks of the job - the chance to pick the brains of the leading Jungian thinkers - I began a dialogue with him about a major interest of mine: lucid dreaming.

Lucid dreaming is when we recognize we are dreaming and continue the dream with this recognition. A few years before this conversation, I had begun having profoundly significant lucid dreams - dreams which had exponentially catapulted my own process of healing and awakening. I was curious what a traditional Jungian elder would say about the phenomena.

Much to my dismay and disappointment, this highly esteemed Jungian author pooh-poohed the practice of lucid dreaming, saying it was just hypnagogic imagery, emphatically stating his opinion that it was not a good thing for the conscious ego to interfere with the unconscious. For a traditional Jungian, the unconscious was the font of wisdom, and we shouldn't try to direct or control it. From the Jungian point of view, we should learn from, dialogue with, and get into relationship with the unconscious. Dreams speak in the language of symbols, which from the Jungian point of view compensate an overly one-sided attitude of consciousness. In essence, to a Jungian, dreams are a self-balancing mechanism of the psyche which serve to integrate the conscious and the unconscious. Who can disagree or argue with any of this?

This particular Jungian scholar was of the opinion, however, that it was a mistake to intervene in the dream with the conscious ego, as to do so would be getting in the way of a deeper process of guidance that needed to be kept pure. I have since learned that he wasn't speaking for Jung, though he thought he was, as Jung himself was much more turned on to the dreamlike nature of experience.

The Jungian, perhaps due to lack of first-hand experience in lucid dreaming, misunderstood that lucid dreaming meant that the conscious ego, a sort of command center of the dream, would then control the dream upon the arising of lucidity. This is a fallacious understanding of both what lucid dreaming is and what lucid dreaming is revealing to us about ourselves. Lucid dreaming is a perfect metaphor, expression, and vehicle for realizing the dreamlike nature of both our experience of ourselves and the world around us. Just like we can become lucid in our night dreams, we can wake up in our waking dream and see how we are all collaboratively "dreaming up" our world into materialization, a realization which empowers us to co-operatively change the collective dream we are having.

When we become lucid in a dream, we realize that who we've imagined we are, what is called the "dream ego," is not who we actually are, but is merely a model of who we are. To identify with the dream ego is to become bewitched, fixated on and absorbed into a particularized stance which ultimately is illusory in that it has no substantial existence. Entrancing ourselves into imagining we exist in a way in which we simply do not is simultaneously a cause and result of a self-generating, auto-hypnotic self-constriction in consciousness which, ultimately speaking, we are doing to ourselves. It is what I call ME disease, whose root is a mis-identification of who we imagine we are (please see my book, The Madness of George W. Bush: A Reflection of our Collective Psychosis).

When we become lucid in a dream, we realize that who we were imagining we are - the dream ego - is being dreamed by a deeper part of ourselves...what I call the "deeper, dreaming Self." Jung himself had this realization in a dream he had during the last years of his life. In the dream he entered a church, and much to his surprise saw a meditating yogi sitting in front of the church. Upon closer inspection, Jung saw that the yogi had his face, and Jung then realized that the yogi was not Jung's dream, but that he was the yogi's dream.

In full-blown lucidity, we have an expansion of identity. We discover our inseparability and co-extensiveness with all parts of the dream. This is not a realization that belongs to the egoic, separate self, which is moment by moment contracting against itself, continually trying to strategize and manipulate the dream so as to full-fill its imagined sense of lack. The egoic, separate self is itself the very seeming obscuration to our natural lucidity, so how can it possibly become lucid? Rather, lucidity is an expression that we've seen through our self-created illusion and recognized the true nature of our situation, of who we actually are.

When we become lucid in a dream, we don't "control" what happens in the dream from any sort of personal agency, but rather we change our relationship to the dream. Stabilizing our lucidity, we are able to fluidly dance and flow with the dream so as to co-create with it, instead of fighting, resisting, damning and cursing it. Aligning with the dream, we become open channels for a more refined "order" to incarnate itself through us. We are truly instrumental instrumentalists of a greater symphonic orchestra thankfully conducted by someone other than our own ego.

Recognizing the nature of our situation and becoming lucid, we recognize that the seemingly externalized dreamscape, the universe we were experiencing as outside of ourselves, is actually a mirrored reflection of our own inner landscape. Our lucidity is instantaneously reflected back by the dream, which shape-shifts in no-time, as the dream is nothing other than a projection of our own mind.

I had an amazing lucid dream that night after my conversation with the Jungian professor. In the dream, I was working at the bookstore, and I began to float up in the air and realized I was dreaming. I started flying in the air, circling the aforementioned Jungian, who just happened to be in the bookstore at the time. All the while I was saying to him that this was a dream, and I asked him if he realized he was dreaming. He paid no attention, as if he didn't find my reflections of any value, having seemingly more important things to attend to. After a little while, I woke up.

My dream was my unconscious' way of symbolically expressing what I had experienced with the Jungian earlier in the day. My dream was also showing me different aspects of myself, all simultaneously encoded in the fabric of the dream. Being a dream character, the figure of the Jungian, though a brilliant scholar, was a re-presentation of an asleep aspect of myself. In my dream, he symbolized a part of me that was so absorbed in the dream (and in his head) that he was asleep to the fact that he was inside of a dream, not knowing the true nature of his experience. The dream was actually prompting him to wake up, and he was so asleep that he didn't recognize what was being offered. As if under a spell, his attention was fixated in a limited way that wasn't open to what was happening right in front of him. As a figure in my dream, he is a reflection of this part of myself.

In my night dream with the Jungian, I was trying to wake up this asleep part of myself, which on one hand is a great thing to do, a seemingly bodhisattvic act. Who can argue with the merit of trying to help awaken another being? At the same time that the dream was an expression of my lucidity, however, it was also showing me an asleep part of myself, not only "objectively" in the dreamed-up figure of the Jungian, but "subjectively," in what I was doing in the dream. For if I'm trying to wake up someone else in a dream, then who is the one who is asleep but me?

It is important to differentiate the many different nuances and degrees of meaning in the word "lucid." It is possible to have a high degree of lucidity and still be identifying with a certain fixed perspective that is itself fundamentally insubstantial and has no inherent reality.

To wake up in a dream, night or waking, and to be thinking there are "other" beings to save is still to be somewhat asleep. If one is fully lucid in a dream, one realizes there are no separate "others," but rather, that all of one's dream characters are reflections of oneself. In a full-blown lucid dream, the boundary dissolves between inner and outer, between waking and dreaming, between matter and spirit, and between Self and other.

If I'm lucid in a dream, the dream reflects back my own lucidity. When someone wakes up in a dream, they see through, and don't get hooked by, the sometimes very convincing display that other people are asleep (what I call their "Halloween costume"), but rather see everyone as being an unmediated expression of the awakened one (him or herself). In essence, when one person wakes up, the whole universe wakes up with them, or to say it differently, when we wake up we recognize that the universe has always been awake.

From the lucid perspective, there is no one who needs to be awakened, for everyone equally shares in the awakened nature. Paradoxically, this realization that no one needs awakening inspires us to ceaselessly work for the awakening of all beings. Recognizing our life as a mass shared dream, we compassionately cultivate skillful means to help all the seemingly asleep and apparently other parts of ourselves to awaken to our always existing, already perfected true nature.

My dream is simultaneously revealing both the profundity as well as the potential shadow side of being concerned with awakening an-other. On the one hand, it is the most beautiful and healing thing we can do to step out of our narcissistic fixation, forget about ourselves and put our attention on serving other beings. On the other hand, the potential shadow side of this process is that having woken up in the dream, am I becoming entranced by the forms of the dream? When I focus my energy outside of myself to try to change the dream and to improve my dream characters, am I doing this instead of being in self-referral? Putting my attention outside of myself on an-other's state of consciousness could be an expression of an asleep part of myself, as it could be a form of avoiding relationship with myself. In this case, my actions to help are not pure, as they are being filtered through and ultimately reinforcing my narcissistic, unhealed wound.

The question is: Am I further stimulating my lucidity by helping "other" beings to awaken, or am I just en-acting my unconscious, habitual pattern of putting my awareness outside of myself under the guise of helping others, keeping myself asleep in the process?

When I do dream-work and reflect upon my dream, I see both parts of me woven in my act of trying to awaken my Jungian friend. There is a part of me that has pure intention. There is also another part of me that is unknowingly acting out a habitual pattern of wanting other people to "get something," which is an unconscious tendency to project my own authority, my own knowing outside of myself. This is ultimately an attempt to not take responsibility for my own experience.

Dreams are multi-dimensional in that both points of view are true: I was acting from a pure, bodhisattvic intention, while simultaneously acting out an unconscious shadow element, a traumatized part of my soul. Like a symbol that contains and potentially unites the opposites, the dream is revealing and integrating these two parts of me. Dreams are an expression of our unconscious, while at the same time being an expression of, and the vehicle through which, consciousness gives birth to itself.

One aspect of the non-local nature of the unconscious is that as we contemplate the unconscious, it draws us into itself in a way where we cannot help but become involved and actively engaged with it. Our dreams are inviting us to step into them and realize our true author-ity in their creation. Whether we know it or not, we participate in the manifestation of the unconscious in each and every moment. We are affected and influenced by the unconscious. Simultaneously we affect and influence the unconscious. The unconscious is reflecting this back to us, and all that is needed is our recognition of what is being revealed.

A deeper process, the origins of which lie in the collective unconscious, is synchronistic-ally expressing itself in, through and as, collective world events. The source of what is playing out en masse on the world stage is to be found within the psyche of humanity. Are we dreaming up our collective nightmare so as to awaken ourselves?

What if our dreams are actually waking us up? I think of a dream I had a few years ago in which a dream character said to me, "Why don't you imagine you've become lucid right now?" I took his advice, adopting the point of view that I was in fact dreaming, which of course helped me to become lucid. Amazingly enough, the dream itself had conspired with me to wake me up. Is this dream a reflection that the universe is always potentially awakening us, and is realizing this itself an expression of our emerging lucidity?

I literally dreamed up the dream to wake me up. The dream figure who suggested to me that I should imagine becoming lucid was an awake part of myself I had projected out and dreamed up seemingly outside of myself so as to see, relate with and take into myself. The unconscious always manifests itself through the circuitous route of projection, which is to say that the unconscious approaches us from seemingly outside of ourselves. This dream figure who suggested I imagine lucidity is what I call a "lucidity stimulator" - those endless variations of clues and reminders encoded in the fabric of the night or waking dream - helping us to remember the dreamlike nature of our experience. Maybe everything can become a lucidity stimulator if we see it as such.

We establish our residence in lucidity by recognizing the intrinsically revelatory nature of our experience. What if the unconscious is revealing itself through our dreams (both night and waking) so as to help us recognize that we ourselves are the source of our experience? Recognizing the reflex-ive and reflective nature of both our night and our waking dreams is a self-empowering realization which transforms us from being passive, detached witnesses to active collaborators and creative, participatory agents in our own dreaming process. Once enough of us connect through the open heart of lucidity, all bets are off, as the only limit is our own lack of imagination - a limit that is itself truly imaginary.

 

© Copyright 2008, Paul Levy

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Dreaming Awake the Collective Vision

Before even finishing this whole article, I was struck immediately by the following:

"we can wake up in our waking dream and see how we are all collaboratively "dreaming up" our world into materialization, a realization which empowers us to co-operatively change the collective dream we are having."

That resonates absolutely with me because I have had spontaneous experiences in which I was critically uncertain if I was in a dream state or not, and this while apparently in the waking mind. . .Upon having these experiences(is it coincidental that I had them most after hearing McKenna speak?), it seemed very clear to me that we truly do come from the same deep waters, the collective unconscious that so many only theorize about. I was dunked in and came back with a wet head, and this without ingesting anything psychedelic in almost a decade!

Since having the more powerful of these experiences earlier in this year(2008), I have "stumbled upon" the works of most notably Robert David Steele and Tom Atlee who both work tirelessly to envision and practicalize ways in which we all can consciously co-create our realities so as to benefit all of mankind- a noteworthy concept in the very least!

In one of the Castaneda rip off books by Merilynn Tunneshende, she remarks that her experiences with Don Genaro baffle her as she never knows if she is dreaming or not when he is around, to which Don Genaro replies, "Ah, now you are starting to get it!"

 

 

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Strong dreamers..

I find it hard to lucid dream. However, the few that I have had have been very powerful and have released particular negative thought patterns.

On the subject of treating our waking life as a dream. It was through analysing my waking life as I did my dreams that I was awakened to the synchronicitys happening all around me.

A question for everybody.. Are some people stronger dreamers than others? In the sense that they have more effect on our collective dream than others. "Be the change you want to see through internal alchemy"

Like Phoenix, I have

Like Phoenix, I have trouble achieving that state of lucidity within a dream - or, rather, I have trouble staying asleep once I realize that, oh, this is "just" a dream.

This is very similar to experiences I have had with Salvia Divinorum, which I have tried for the first time a few times this year.

The first time I tried it, there was an incredible experience of completely leaving my consciousness and going to what seemed like another dimension where the perspective "I" took on had no "I" in it, or any awareness of having just smoked this substance. At times I was a floating consciousness, at other times I became a part of objects that I floated into and merged with. This is common with Salvia.

The other times I have done it have not been as intense. It is as if there is a threshold that I am unable to cross, because, as with dreaming, the "reality" of what is happening comes into question and suddenly you are thrust back into waking life.

The reason I bring up Salvia Divinorrum in this context is that I have been trying to figure out what I can do in my waking life to get more out of these occasional experiences that have visionary potential. Since the first time experimenting with Salvia, I've started a Zazen practice. But the similarities between the Salvia experience and the dream-state keeps making me think that a concentration on lucid dreaming could be the key to going further with these experiences/experiments.

So, my question (which I've ramblingly arrived at) is... Have any of you read any good "how to"-style books (or any good books) on the subject of lucid dreaming that helped you to actually put it into practice?

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

find your hands, see your death...

I recall some interesting references to lucid dreaming in Castaneda, many years since I read them though...

recommendations

Stephen LaBerge, Robert Munroe, and Robert Bruce are all authors that offer practical insight in lucid dreaming (and the similar phenomena of astral projection). A study of Tibetan dream yoga could also prove helpful as well. 

Questions

Does a strong ego prevent you from becoming Lucid in a dream?I remember acting in my dreams, but mostly up to age 15. I also had a lot of dreams of flying and just enjoying diving and racing above some landscapes. But it was always a vague memory instead of on-the-spot lucidity.Would you recommend the technique where you try to enter a dream straight drom conscious state? (eg. counting). It involves going through some kind of sleep paralysis. I've tried a few times during a afternoon nap, just lying on my back. I think I may have gotten close sometimes, loosing some sensation in the body, but then my heart started racing and that was it :(I still have the feeling somehow that you need to be of a certain "consciousness" level to achieve this.. am I right? Or is it really doable by anyone with practice?

It sounds like

you are very aware of yourself and the physical; do you pop awake at boogeyman's slightest bumps? I imagine most of the people that spend time on this sight have tried yoga, but I recommend to simply focus on your breath. Next time you are due for a nice nap, lie down and let your breathing become deep and deeper. When you begin, be conscious of your entire body, from toes to fingertips. Slowly bring your breath to the center of your attention until there is nothing else in your periphery. You will likely keep coming back up for "air" at first: stay with the breath and neglect all else physical. If you haven't, check out Phillip Farber's posts on this sight or better yet pick up Meta-Magick for fascinating exercises in this realm. Keep trying man! Our Universe is whispering to you: Quit trying to listen and just hear.

"One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time."

-Andre Gide

Thanks

Hey; I don't know if anybody is reading this anymore. Well I DID manage a small lucid dream, I think, last week. I say "I think", because after the fact, it feels a bit strange. It feels like it was a dream. But I remember consciously doing a few logical things like trying to remember the cover of a magazine I was looking at, its title, looking at my hands. I remember just giggling myself like "woahahaha" so I guess I was too excited and it ended after a couple minutes. Anyway, it was an unplanned WBTB : I just got up for a pee, and back into bed I remembered about LDs. Thanks again, I'm glad I came back because I didn't pay attention to some of the things you said first time. Interesting last quote, and I'll check out that Meta-Magick thing.

A Disgression About Dreams

Hya, thanks again. Here for whoever interested an article from Philip H. Farber "A Disgression About Dreams" http://www.hawkridgeproductions.com/media/dreams.html

from a dreamer

Lucid dreams come around every now and again in a dreamers cycle. As far I'm concerned it's about giving yourself plenty of time to dwell in REM. As for info, there are a number of resources that you can source online, but personally I would recommend a dream journal; this serves to familiarise yourself with your own darktime processes and generate feedback recognition. The Linklater flim Waking Life has some significant clues in this respect. I tend to think of my feet. There are also some molecules (tryptophan metabolites and what have been called dream herbs) which abet such circumstances. Beware, lucidity is somewhat intense, and like meditation, the self-awareness of actualisation can crash it. External noise can abet and hinder also, best to er on the side of quietude.

reaching lucidity

I have long found it interesting that Austrialian Aboriginal peoples hold that the "dreamtime" reality is more "real" than waking consensus "reality".

I have been a Lucid Dreamer since I was a child, and this is easily the one occult area that I have the most personal expirence with.  Reaching lucidity is much easier than it seems, especialy if you intend on having a lucid dream (have this intent in your mind before you go to sleep). keeping a dream journal is essential to the overall process.  After waking up from a dream (which should happen several times a night) write every detail down you can recall about the dream, I use a digital voice recorder so I dont have to turn on the lights.   

 

I for one find that I often (weekly) dream of my childhood home instead of where I now live, so now I remeber if I ever find myself in that house again it must be in a dream.  These "dream sign" will build up over the years and it will get to the point where you will catch yourself dreaming quite often.

 

Going into a dream directly from a waking state, with no loss of conciousness is a bit more complicated.  Being able to meditate for at least a half-hour to an hour is a major plus if not a pre-recquisite.  this is my personal method: lie on your back with no part of your body touching another.  repeat as a mantra: "I am lucid"(or somthing to this effect) over and over, untill you pass through sleep paralysis and the hypnogogic imagery. Somtimes hypnogogic visions can be intense, almost like a DMT flash (medieval Incubi and Succubi have been blamed on hypnogogic imagery).  then the dream world seems to form from a grey-black mist, if you've gotten this far you should be having a lucid dream.

 

  I have found that the rate of lucid dreaming during naps is higher than during a night's sleep.  and the use of Kava definately makes my dreams much more vivid and more apt to become lucid. Anyways, all of this is from my personal experimentations, I don't know if it will work for others.

Kava might help

I know this a crewd method but.. trying to sleep when you are very awake.. maybe the middle of the day after a can of coke (or stronger) is the best way I've found of entering a truly lucid dream.

I know it's a short cut.. but it worked.

What's the can of coke for?

What's the can of coke for?

For all you dreamers.

http://www.ld4all.com

 

An absolute ton of information and links related to the pursuit of lucid dreaming.

 

Enjoy.

Been To Sleep

"The question is: Am I further stimulating my lucidity by helping "other" beings to awaken, or am I just en-acting my unconscious, habitual pattern of putting my awareness outside of myself under the guise of helping others, keeping myself asleep in the process?".............. .................................. ........... ................... ..... I get 'good' feedback from the generator of my reality when i make attempts to 'clue up' other entities/beings,........i know it's beyond me to help anyone realize anything, though that doesnt stop the potential for a 'seeming' as though i'm helping,,,........the feedback i receive can be...& oft times is..... the most fantastic of experiences within my given reality............. i'd be far less likely to bother trying to shine light for you here if the feedback i received for it was either negative or not worth experiencing ........... ...... ..... .....................................~Buoyantly Synching~

BeTS on

Clues for youz................................... We perceive only that which we receive,............... we sense only that which we are sent,.......................... we are conscious of only that which arises into our consciousnesses,...............we communicate only with that which is communicated to us,..................the signal sender creates every subtlety of our reality..........asleep or awake..............thought to be.....real or fake.......a lesson for the learning,...no mistake......................................................~Beyond The Self~

Paul Levy

Paul, I think you have honestly explored many of the different rationales for not taking the "Jungian" expert you encountered at face value.

I'm curious if you have or attempted to have this 'expert' know your mind in reaction to what he posited?

I can understand, in some way, his tack on this.

I'm mindful of the tendancy we have to hold almost vehemently to our own theses and the normal urge to express.

I'm not castigating your position I hope. My own character is such I want to understand the opposing position. At least, I'm trying to learn to do this.

And I can draw from various resources of my own research whereby I can appreciate the reluctance to try and impose the conscious experience on something presumed theoretically to be much much deeper than mere conscious experience or personal-individual experience.

What I get from that man's reluctance is that he loved the uncertainty of that, and not that what you were attempting to delineate was invalid. And that is an intra-personal dichotomy or distinction between your two loci of interests.

The same thing might be being approached from different directions, but the same principle is being delineated.

And, even, maybe not. Maybe what that principle is is not equal and the same. But that goes into something outside the parameters Jung delineated in any exhaustive way.

I think Jung did explore such a little in the paper or book he wrote on 'ufology' and maybe hinted at an uncertainty in how the phyiscal world can ever be unified or find any unified and complete description.

This uncertainty can certainly be held for taking the 'unconscious' as some fixed object. As subject we have a different animal.

I think gnosus said this elsewhere and I tend to think similarly, if I'm not mis-interpreting it: consciousness has all substance to use and all it creates is just as ligitimate. Hence the many-universe concept.

The only problem is, finding some mutuality amongst the potentially infinite number of tendancies or affections and wills. So, what one calls 'conscious' may be another's 'unconscious' or something relegated to a 'periphery' or 'most innermost'. The active focus of personal life must needs leave much much more out of consideration and any potential for definite expression. And that can be like 'checkerboarding' of positive expression or will and influences left on 'back-burner' or outside even peripheral vision. That's another form of 'unconscious' isn't it?

There are probably definite, finite, limited beings living the 'unconscious' we so designate, and we are their 'unconscious'.

We take these as some 'generality' but it is possible what we presume as 'principle' only exists today in our local little universe as particular expressors. And so the 'market' is fully open. We are shoppers and we pick and choose. Still, I rather prefer a summation of potentially infinite limited experiences that sees an 'ideal' picking and choosing from all. Or, maybe even a pre-differentiated state that played out all that long before it became existent or expressed. Maybe that answers to the Platonic "IDEAL". However, I really object to the idea it is merely relegated to just 'dream' or an 'after-life' or is somehow slippery-like unconnected to definite actions by us in body.

All is select or a matter of perception and then active expression. It almost seems to be a question of adjusting ourselves to a differential of internal verus external time values. When these two approach equality, we experience less and less difficulty in being natural and relaxed and easy with it all. Internal and external agreement of sorts. Not of two different beings, but one being recognizing itself from different directions.

Such would confuse anyone . . . er everyone? And none but oneself to save one. That's my definite opinion. No one fights me. I fight me. And so . . . my bruses.

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"I can add. I just can't subtract."

Exploring Lucidity

I've been having lucid dreams for a couple years now..I haven't yet developed a technique to become lucid every night, but the ability to induce them through means of suggestion almost on a regular basis. If you are interested in exploring this world for yourself you first have to focus on how to get there...and once you are there you have to learn how to prolong your stay. The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep offers an easily approachable method to obtaining lucidity by helping you understand awareness in a non-dual fashion. What it all comes down to is that you must learn to integrate your "waking self" awareness with your "dream-self" awareness and form a bridge between these two realms of consciousness. What many don't know is that while you are lucid you may choose to act as the observer and let your dream follow through as if you were not present. Regardless of lucidity you still actively participate in your dreams in one role or another, ie..flying, morphing, etc...the only difference is that by being lucid you inherit and connect the conscious awareness you experience in your everyday life. So if you wish to let your dreams play out in an "unconscious" fashion then you may do so, but learning how to "freeze" the dream and explore the world you were once participating in so actively moments before becoming lucid is also a constructive way to start understanding your subconscious. Using this approach you can magnify and decipher your dreams in a Jungian fashion and return to your waking life with a deeper understanding without the rationality involved by "looking back" at the dream after awakening...though I would still recommend writing it down. So try to find the answers you need while lucid because the experience holds more truth and explanation than the latter speculation,...as goes for the psychedelic experience. Anyways I hope my insight was helpful to anyone getting in to dream travel. -Oneironaut

systems

I've found that different systems work with varying degrees of longevity in their success. Eventually I become aware of a conscious desire to get some unconscious sleep.

Hands, your face in a mirror, a familiar room, a cat, flying (the Adam's method and others), walking through solid objects and tests of dream logic all have a hand in the realisation and then the maintenance of will without the initial desire. What to do with your thoughtforms, even if they believe it when you tell them that you're dreaming (and do try and be polite about it), is another subject entirely.

Heading off as high or as low or as far out as I can get from the initial context usually bears some fruition. Whether you reach the ouroborous dragons circling the closed eye, the object obsessive, morlockian scholars or that weird hotel at the end of the universe, down the shore, I urge you to keep going when you get there.

Lucid dreaming and control

I've been 'lucid' dreaming for a few years now but they come very rarely. At first I was able to manifest things, usually naked women in dreamspaces absent of color and scenery, but it was difficult to maintain the level of concentration. As time passed I could hold my concentration longer and I eventually moved on to different expressions of control. I started to become aware/conscious while in the middle of dreams, usually in some kind of strange landscape/dreamscape. In the last couple of years I've been developing my skills at flying, which is very hard and requires a lot of concentration to stay in the air (and during one of my most recent I experimented with deconstructing structures). I can now fly very fast and at great distances but if I go too fast I wake myself up. It's great fun! Note- One thing I realized is that during these dream states I always encounter at least one bridge with which I interact.

The right kinda

The form of the concentration I have to use and the whole sky hook, physical allegory that works for me are pretty specific in their application. If I have any idea of trying to achieve my goals in say, flying, then I immediately begin to slow down, descend, not turn etc. Using swimming strokes in the air might be good for turning but association with actually pulling myself around invariably leaves me tired! Only full concentration on holding a previously thought of goal outside of my lucid consciousness, in my general unconscious seems to work for me.

"The universe is its own magic."  Shunryu Suzuki

being grounded

i've had very lucid dreams on the land i live on and when i go to sacred sites i tune in on a dream level with the land i'm on...or the hse i'm in etc....i see it as 8 hrs of my day spent as a sleeper...a weeper....a creeper....i'm watching shit going on around me in life and also in my dream state....not much more to add to this except....keep living the dream people....not the American Dream that Albee wrote of....but conjoining the subconscious with the reality we know...a dream undeciphered is a question unanswered..... Solas agus gra

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Meditation

I went to a 10 day Vipassana course from Goenka once and had the most vivid dream since long. I wish I was into lucid dreaming back then! Except.. the dream was a nightmare that woke me up in sweat, with all the negativity that was "cleaning up" there. So I don't know, if I had been lucid it might have been too much to handle, or... I could have pushed the "inside cleaning" further. Definitely, if I go again I would try to have LD's there. I heard guys there talking about the long time meditators, they were saying that some of the teachers there didn't really sleep any more. Goenka himself recommended to practice Vipassana while lying and going to sleep. LD's have motivated me again to meditate. But I wonder how much benefit I will get out of it. Thing is after my Vipassana course I continued to meditate 1h morning and 1h evening for several months and I never had a Lucid Dream. Perhaps that kind of Vipassana is not really suited for LD's though. And thanks so much for mentiong the Tibetan Yogas of Dream And Sleep. I bought it. I loved the explanations of karma and the nature of dreams, and the possibility for dreams of clarity. Perhaps astral projection is that kind of dreams, connected to something global, so it IS really possible to go to places you've never seen and exist in the "real" world. I was very surprised that the book doesn't mention Sleep Paralysis anywhere though.