Initiation, Learning, and the Failure of Regimented Education

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The formalities of schooling can be traced back to initiation rituals in the early history of our cultures. Separation from the community into an age-group cohort, group instruction by a specialized adult, silence and obedience, progression through a sequence of levels sanctioned by solemn tests, "death" of the child and "rebirth" as a member of the community of initiates, all those components of school culture make sense when considered in this broad anthropological context. However, they do not support genuine learning, which is essentially self-generated, exploratory, continuous and unpredictable. This perspective could shed light on many of the current controversies and failures in the field of education.

What started my interest in this was noticing how little of what we have learned about learning in the past century justifies the conventional aspects of schooling. There is now a wide consensus that human beings are intensely curious and exploratory from infancy and that new knowledge and skills are constructed through interactions with the world. Yet the formal structures in which we train and socialize our young seem to defy this understanding. We insist that they learn only what we consider important, only in the ways we consider valid - through passive absorption and repetitive drilling, in silent, obedient groups following the directions of one adult. We obsessively check and evaluate their ability to replicate standardized behaviors. Despite the inroads made by alternative approaches, this is still found in all but a few schools. We now know that these practices are not supportive of successful learning. In fact, they often impede it, in the same way that forcing people to breathe according to a fixed rhythm determined by an outside authority would soon create dysfunctions in their natural ability to breathe. The starting point for this article was my curiosity about the cultural origins of these illogical practices.

The link between traditional initiation and schooling is a good example of a fact staring us in the face for so long that it becomes invisible. To notice it, I had to travel half a world away to Benin (West Africa). In 1995-96, I spent most of the school year observing elementary classrooms and meeting with teachers in a school district of the main city of Benin, Cotonou. As my role was to train the designated teacher trainers who had been promoted from inside the system, it was essential for me to understand the shared perceptions of Beninese educators about the nature of teaching. Benin is a former French colony and its school system was originally designed as a near duplicate of the French school system. Since I am French and a product of that system, I was in a privileged position to notice the effects of that transplantation and of the years of the country's independence on the content and culture of schooling.

From the beginning, I was struck by the formality, almost rigidity, of the interactions between teachers and students. It reminded me not so much of my own schooling, but of what French schools might have been like a hundred years ago. While schools in France kept evolving by incorporating new pedagogies, it seemed that the Beninese school system had frozen in time. Teachers and administrators were perpetuating the system as a sacred relic or museum artifact. I became curious about the difficulties I and other trainers were experiencing in trying to introduce "learner-centered" approaches. There seemed to be unspoken, but powerful cultural barriers between those newly imported ideas and traditional teacher-student relationships.

In Culture and Commitment: A Study of the Generation Gap, Margaret Mead introduces a distinction between "three different kinds of culture - postfigurative, in which children learn primarily from their forebears, cofigurative, in which both children and adults learn from their peers, and prefigurative, in which adults learn also from their children" (Mead, 1). She argues for the necessity to reinvent ourselves as a prefigurative culture to creatively respond to the crisis in our civilization. The cultural value of adults learning from their children is a recent one with powerful implications. Its reversal of the universal pattern of instruction seems to be the culmination of an alternative but robust current in Western thought, which includes Jesus of Nazareth and Christian mystics, Utopian writers, Rousseau, the literary and artistic romanticism of the 19th century and, closer to us, the Progressive Education movement and the counterculture of the 1960's (Mead published her essay in 1970). It would seem that we are in a transition between a postfigurative and a prefigurative culture. The upheaval of traditional values and the pervading sense of uncertainty perhaps qualify the early 21st century as a cofigurative culture.

This change is closely connected to the advent of the modern industrial era. As more and more children were being sent away from their homes to learn things or to work in industries that were unfamiliar to their parents, the traditional pattern in which boys and girls learned their roles and occupations from the same-sex parent was uprooted. In the context of a fast-changing society, the possibility of parents learning from their children had to become less shocking.

Robert LeVine's and Merry White's Human Conditions: The Cultural Basis of Educational Developments contrasts traditional agrarian societies with modern industrialized ones from the point of view of education and child-rearing. In their view, the main factor in the quality of life in traditional cultures as well as in our own agrarian past is what they call ligatures - the bonds of community: What distinguishes the Western ideology as a whole from that of many non-Western cultures is not so much the preference for freedom, even for children, as the definition of freedom as liberation from authority – a polarity that pits options against ligatures in the struggle for a better life. This struggle, this morality play on behalf of children, provided the basic terms in which the modern European conceptions of the child emerged during the nineteenth century. The new ideas were hostile to agrarian models of obedience and reciprocity. Focusing on childhood as a distinct and valuable phase of life, they emphasized autonomy, the child's development as a separate and equal human being, supported and protected by loving parents as he developed his capacities to make free and intelligent choices. In philosophy, literature and the arts, these ideas were advanced and elaborated. In psychology and child study they were justified on scientific grounds. In politics they inspired legislation to defend children against exploitation in factories and to restrict parental control. And in the family they inspired an emotional commitment that knew no precedent except in the rearing of royal princes (69-70).

Looking at this evolution helps me understand some of the difficulties of implementing Western models of education in the developing world. In a country like Benin, child-rearing, even among educated urbanites, mostly follows the traditional patterns of agrarian societies. It emphasizes obedience, continuity, replication of the elders' knowledge and the centrality of a wide network of links to family and community. More generally, in Sub-Saharan Africa and other "developing" parts of the world, the impact of formal schooling remains more superficial than can be told from statistics. Schooling there can challenge some aspects of traditional life by offering new economic and social opportunities but it has not grown local roots – it is still largely perceived as a foreign import. The foremost causes of this are the agrarian nature of the economic and social relations, as described by LeVine and White, the recent colonial history of those countries and the function of schools in their colonial systems.

On the other hand, many current educational practices in "developed" countries are built upon very different assumptions, which entail beliefs in autonomy and even self-invention, in forsaking the past and de-emphasizing ligatures as the main source of value in life. Of particular interest is the case of constructivism and other learner-centered pedagogies. When they are transferred to more traditional societies through development projects, those approaches that relocate the "construction of knowledge" in the individual student present schoolteachers with an intractable conundrum. They contradict not only the traditional patterns of child-rearing, but also the authoritarian design and purpose of the colonial schools which provided the basic template for current schools in these countries.

An interesting study by R. Tabulawa exemplifies this dynamic. The author examined the incongruences between the learner-centered approach that the government of Botswana was attempting to introduce and the teachers' own perceptions of the nature of teaching and learning. Overwhelmingly, teachers espoused an authoritarian paradigm in which their role was to impart already organized knowledge and the students' role was to acquire it passively. Students themselves brought to school attitudes of obedience and deference towards elders which conflicted with the inquiry-oriented approach of the government reform. This conflict of values was easily revealed by interviewing the concerned parties. Interestingly, after basic quantitative studies showed that the reform was not improving school results, the government's decision was to invest more resources into the same approach – a good example of the limitations of quantitative analysis in informing education policy.

As a trainer of teachers in Benin, I constantly engaged in conversations with schoolteachers about the learning process. I kept noticing a basic rigidity, a reluctance to identify with children, even if only for the sake of understanding a technical detail. In the United States, a typical contemporary educator routinely takes inner, virtual journeys through the cognitive processes of children in order to design precise teaching interventions. In more traditional societies where the divide between childhood and the earned condition of adult is still a fundamental feature of society, it is psychologically much more difficult for educators to cross that divide in imagination.

Another way to describe the basic dichotomy established by LeVine and White is through the observation that, in a country like Benin, virtually all adults have been formally initiated. In my experience and, I believe, that of most Northern visitors, it is extremely difficult to comprehend the implications of this basic cultural fact. Mircea Eliade, founder of the comparative study of religions, defines initiation as an essential manifestation of humankind's spiritual nature, the word "spiritual" being understood as englobing all of experience, not only religious life in the modern sense:

"In short, through initiation, the candidate passes beyond the natural mode – the mode of the child – and gains access to the cultural mode; that is, he is introduced to spiritual values. From a certain point of view, it could almost be said that, for the primitive world, it is through initiation that men attain the status of human beings..." (Eliade, 3)

[Note: In 1958, when this book was published, "men" was commonly used in writing to mean "people."]

The near-universality of initiation in human cultures is striking. In the West, initiation has become diluted and diffused through many micro-societies such as sports teams, clubs, trade unions, the military and schools. It is omnipresent as a cultural theme, but it no longer exists as a central unifying institution. The disappearance of clear rituals of passage, particularly for male adolescents, has often been associated with social and psychological difficulties. Pointing out the adolescent characteristics of American men has become a worn cliché. In recent years, various movements to reinvent male initiation have emerged in North America. Michael Meade, a contemporary author who has had a long experience of the therapeutic use of rituals with men's groups and marginalized communities, vividly describes this dynamic:

"When rites of passage disappear from conscious presentation, they nonetheless appear in unconscious and semi-conscious guises. They surface as misguided and mis-informed attempts to change one's own life. They become mis-carriages of meaning, tragic acts or empty forms and ghostly shapes. For, underlying the surface structures of schools, fraternities, sororities, maternity groups, military organizations, street gangs, rap bands, crack houses, meditation centers and prisons lie the bones and sinews of initiatory rites and symbols. Whenever life gets stuck or reaches a dead end, where people are caught in rites of addiction, possessed by destructive images, compelled to violent acts or pulled apart by grief and loss, the process of initiation presses to break through." (Foreword to Eliade, xx)

For Meade and others in that movement, the loss of the anchoring and meaning-creating function of rituals of passage accounts for the increasing emptiness and suffering in post-industrial societies. To address the disorientation that young people experience, psychologists and other advisors exhort us to restore the softening boundaries between adult and child and to rediscover clear-cut parental roles, but our humanistic, child-centered beliefs about education are inseparable from this breakdown of traditional roles. It is that breach in the wall between uninitiated and initiated that makes possible LeVine and White's "morality play on behalf of children."

The consideration of children as full-fledged "persons" and the attendant practices in child-rearing and education are very recent developments. Even Western Europe and Japan lag noticeably behind the United States in that evolution. Growing up in France in the 1950's, I cannot remember any instances of adults taking a serious interest in our games and our perspectives on life. A child was basically seen as a human being but not yet a person one can have a conversation with. The normal range of grown-up attitudes towards children was from amused to irritated condescension. This stands in contrast to much of North American culture in 2007. At the playground in my neighborhood, all adults make it a point to interact with children as if they were real persons. They may do so with varying degrees of sincerity - some of them do not seem to believe their own performance very much, but interacting with children on an equal level of "personhood" is the cultural standard. This does not imply that parents or guardians understand children any better. A lot of those performances feel artificial. A poorly assimilated psychological vocabulary often replaces the much harder to achieve empathetic understanding of the actual experiences of children. An example of that would be the frequently heard line: "You're just asking for attention." In this case, the child is behaving in a way that does not fit the adult's expectations. In the old days, the adult would have suppressed the behavior by scolding or punishing. A more "enlightened" adult might have created a tolerant space for the behavior, without trying any harder to understand it. At the playground, what happens instead is that the adult speaks to a psychological entity ("the toddler," "the preadolescent,") and to a pattern ("acting out to get attention") with which he or she has become familiar through popular psychology books and magazine articles. Such a remark is impossible for the child to assimilate in any usable form and may in fact lead to more difficulties in growing up than more traditional manifestations of disapproval. Yet the context is: "Children are persons whom we can understand and relate to with the help of psychology." Two generations ago in the U.S., the wall between childhood and adulthood would still have been opaque enough to make this kind of interaction inconceivable - and it is still significantly the case in most of Europe, where pop psychology is not as widespread.

In a sense, the field of developmental psychology ("child development") occults the disappearance of formal initiation as a significant cultural evolution by postulating a "normal" sequence of stages culminating in adult normalcy. It negates a crucial fact in the history of all cultures – that membership in the adult community, indeed full humanity or personhood, is a construct that is granted by those who have that identity and earned by those who aspire to it.

In this context, the chaotic state of the public debate on education can begin to make a little more sense. Our schools and teacher training programs are replete with the language and reasoning of child psychology. How much that practice reflects genuine insight into children's lives is another question. The point is that educators cross the above-mentioned wall so routinely that they sometimes need to be reminded of its existence. At the same time, some other features of schooling uphold the separation: the teacher and the principal's authority, classroom rules, testing, grading, discipline, curriculum and assignments. In my view, all these derive from the universal blueprint of initiation. They were originally designed to lead children through a ritualized transition across that wall. Thus two conflicting attitudes towards adult-child relations coexist in education. In some institutions, one or the other will dominate. Some teachers – and some cultures – tend to uphold the wall more than others. Some aggressively try to bring it down. I believe that most teachers uncomfortably embody both attitudes and that their mutually exclusive nature is a cause of stress in educators, particularly when it remains unexamined. "Traditionalists" wear themselves down trying to hold their students within a paradigm that reflects less and less the way the rest of society treats children. "Progressives" struggle to change a system the basic logic of which they do not recognize – they indeed bang their heads against the wall.

It seems clear that all formal education derives from the original template of initiation and that many aspects of schooling can be better understood through this lens, including some of the more puzzling ones. In Non-Western Educational Traditions, Timothy Reagan identifies the following features as specific to traditional initiation: physical separation of a group of children from the rest of the community under the guidance of a specially trained adult, creation of an age-based cohort that will go through a sequence of initiatory stages together, and instruction about the responsibilities of adult members of society. These very terms could be used to describe what a school is to someone who has never seen one.

Although I could not find any definite theory about the origin of the core patterns of schooling, most authors who speculate on "primitive education" seem to trace it back to religious training of some kind. For example, Monroe (9), from a Eurocentric perspective, names ancient Egyptian and Chaldean priesthood schools as the earliest ancestors of our own institutions. R. Freeman Butts's classic 1955 A Cultural History of Western Education makes a distinction between puberty or initiatory rites, which, according to him, did not entail specialized educational agencies or teaching roles, and training for the priesthood, which did. He mentions a third category, "vocational" schools, in which the secrets of a trade were transmitted through initiation to new members. He adds this qualification: "It may be that reliance upon formal schools and specialized teaching in prehistoric cultures was greater than we now believe; the absence of written records makes certainty impossible" (9). William A. Smith traces the earliest appearances of formal education to African secret societies (291).

The distinction between universal and specialized (priesthood, secret society, trade) initiation reappears when one does a library search on the word "initiation." Two very different kinds of items show up: anthropological studies on rites of passage in "primitive" cultures and texts on esoteric and mystical disciplines. One cannot fail to notice, however, that the same essential patterns appear in both contexts: separation from the community, instruction from an authority figure, ordeal, identity-changing knowledge, spiritual death and rebirth. I believe all specialized training, whether for priests, shamans or other occupations, was patterned after the identity-shaping universal initiations into adulthood and that school as we know it descends from the priesthood schools of early literate cultures.

A crucial aspect of initiation is the ordeal itself. Its function has been investigated by Eliade, Meade and many others. Attempting to fully understand it would take us beyond the confines of this essay. It is intricately linked to the creation of meaning and the essence of being human. In the initiatory ordeal, we acknowledge the basic truth of our woundedness and we circumscribe it within a pattern of symbolic death and rebirth. By being consciously experienced, the pain of the human condition generates meaning - specifically membership in the human community. In societies where traditional initiation is still practiced, uninitiated youth are not yet persons. They are made into persons through a process of death and rebirth. The term from mafia movies "a made man" is quite accurate in that respect. At the end of their four years of college, U.S. students go through a ceremony which confers upon them a new identity. Significantly, that ritual is called commencement, a word which, like initiation, means "beginning."

Searching for the traces of this basic pattern in the unexamined habits of formal education leads to interesting observations. The clues are everywhere. For example, in current educational parlance, tests and examinations are presented as ways to evaluate the effectiveness of instruction. Historically, however, and up to this day, they have had a much broader function. They have focused on the student much more than on the instructor or the pedagogy. They have served as entrance gates, valves, so to speak between formal levels, as ordeals of endurance which challenge students to prove themselves, even as mild forms of punishments. More often than not, tests and exams receive more attention than the learning itself. In many educational systems, they are the overriding element that determines most of what happens in classes.

In more general terms, schooling seems to entail the assumption that some degree of duress, inflicted by the instructing authority, is necessary to learning. For example, one could make the argument that demanding of children that they sit silent and motionless for extended periods of time is in itself a form of mild torture. Interestingly, silence and stillness are central features or initiation rites in many cultures throughout the world. Everything we know about children, how they grow healthy and how they learn militates against this practice. Yet it remains a foundation of schooling. The rationale for it is based on notions of socialization - impulse control and self-discipline. In anthropological terms, children must surrender their free, natural, unsocialized mode of existence – they must "die" in order to be initiated into the meaning of full personhood. Yet from the point of view of maximizing learning, there is enough evidence that classroom discipline causes opposite effects: boredom, irritation, distraction, disconnection, resentment, unwanted behaviors and rebelliousness. In an article titled On Living in Trees, David Hawkins persuasively argues that the mere presence of the element of compulsion inhibits genuine learning:

"What I believe is true for the rat, and am sure of in the case of man, is that the most powerful learning mechanisms available to us are built in, biologically rooted mechanisms of search and exploration, relatively separate from the primary biological drives of hunger, sex and the like. These learning mechanisms have a lower priority in the short run than drives relating to hunger, sex, pain and fear, so that exploratory behavior dominates only in the absence of other more urgent need. The exploratory, map-building tendencies of rats and men are in the long run just as important for survival as hunger, sex and fear, but this value depends upon the fact that they are not exercised for the sake of survival." (185)

If Hawkins is right, this represents an indictment of schooling as a whole and a challenge to reconsider everything we have assumed about educating the young. In the same article, he contrasts the vertical, linear organization of knowledge in conventional education ("ladder") with the tree-like or network-like complex flows that more accurately represent the ways in which we really learn. The structuring of instruction into a vertical sequence of levels separated by exit and entrance tests doesn't help learning, but it makes sense as a remnant of archaic patterns of initiation.

Higher education provides striking examples of "education as ordeal." At the end of a long obstacle course, students face the doctoral dissertation, the greatest obstacle of them all. The nominal requirement is that it should be an original contribution to the field, but in practice that aspect is less important than making sure the candidate works on it for a long time and demonstrates the perseverance, patience and discipline that will make her/him worthy of the title. Except perhaps in pure mathematics, it would be inconceivable to grant a doctorate for a short, rapidly produced dissertation, even if it demonstrably were a work of genius that would revolutionize its field. Brilliance is not the point. On the other hand, many titles are awarded for work that everyone knows is insignificant in substance. What matters is that the author has demonstrated the required qualities of character by enduring the ordeal with patience and good spirit.

In general terms, titles, degrees and professional licenses can be traced back to ancient rituals in which the new initiate is finally welcomed by his peers into his new identity. From the strict point of view of learning, they contribute nothing. Instead, they introduce a context of strife towards objectives that are unrelated to the subject matter: status, acceptance and material gain. Likewise, the way schools combine the teaching of specific information and skills with socializing goals like obedience, conformity, work and competition can better be understood through their filiation with traditional initiation, an essential aspect of which is its messages about the responsibilities of adult members of society.

The distant parentage of schooling with traditional initiation can throw a new light on the educational problems of a post-colonial society like Benin. The school system, a replica of its French counterpart, is not only a tool for the acquisition of useful knowledge and skills. On a deeper level, it is perceived by its recipients as an initiation, albeit one that is diluted, despiritualized and laden with foreign values. Its function during the colonial era – indoctrination into the colonial project and training of pliable executants – cannot be forgotten. Its implicit intention to invalidate and erase all local traditional knowledge systems continues to elicit deep-seated resistance. This fundamental "strangeness" affects all those who are involved in education and distorts the implementation of even the best-intended and best-designed policies.

When development agencies and policy analysts approach education as a technical problem, hoping to finally make it work by improving funding, administrative efficiency, human resources management and so on, they overlook a central cause of its ineffectiveness – the cultural chasms and contradictions that make people in developing countries experience it as a foreign implant. In post-colonial societies, schools are like a bullet that has lodged itself in a part of a body where it cannot be surgically removed. The social body must protect itself against its potential harmful effects and reorganize itself to include and integrate the alien object into its normal functioning. In such countries, one cannot expect schooling to supplant traditional ways of training and socializing the young and make those obsolete. One cannot expect either that the school system will by itself work harmoniously as an ordinary part of the social machinery. In order to actualize the positive potential of the transfer of Western knowledge and technology and to minimize those cultural frictions, deep adaptive work may be required – the willingness to examine the complex layers of values that are embedded in schools and to begin a difficult public conversation about them.

One example of this adaptive work could be that in societies where schools are not truly relied upon for the transmission of everyday practical knowledge, important new technologies and skill sets should be introduced through apprenticeships, mentorships and other informal and traditional transmission modes that do not evoke the tensions implicit in the colonial school. People who design education development projects might consider the possibility that perpetuating the rituals of the standard classroom is in a sense like driving with the parking brake on.

Another area that has recently garnered attention is the integration of indigenous knowledge systems into curricula. In many developing countries, innovative educators are beginning to lift the labels academics have assigned to traditional knowledge - "primitive," "superstitious," "irrational" – and to incorporate them into more organic and relevant curricula. This epistemic dialogue between ways of knowing can only enrich both sides. It could help make development – a problematic concept when it is defined only by "developers" from abroad without input from the "developed" – an integrated and sustainable reality. Beyond the issue of development and modernization, by considering the connections between core features of traditional societies and our contemporary assumptions about learning, we may bring new light to the puzzling difficulties that educational systems encounter even in the richest countries. My hope has been to show the value of subjecting to scrutiny the habits of mind we most take for granted when we think about education.


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Hawkins, D. (2002) "On Living in Trees." In The Informed Vision: Essays on Learning and Human Nature. New York: Algora Publishing, pp.171-193.

LeVine, R., & White, M. (1986). Human Conditions: The Cultural Basis of Educational Developments. New York: Routledge & Kegan Paul.

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Comments

Great article

As an educator, I can clearly see the TREMENDOUS number of flaws inherent in the system. The time to start addressing these issues was, like most of the problems we're facing, a long long time ago. It's always wonderful to hear voices explain clearly reasons as to why it's wrong.

 

In contemplating during my reading, it struck me that if one was to place this description of schools alongside a cult initiation it might help to show more people some of the problems in our education system as well as our constructed "society" (which needs to go through a renewal of itself drastically).

 

All bridges can be rebuilt.

Agreed

 

Agree with above. For education to change, our whole society needs to change. I, personally, did not have a teacher that endorsed "thinking for yourself" until high school, but i did have art & music classes available throughout grades 1-12 which too many kids these days don't even have access to.

Origins of Modern Schooling

I highly recommend John Taylor Gatto's book, The Underground History of American Education (just google it, you can read for free on the web). He details how our modern system of schooling was pioneered by the Prussians (in their goal of creating a perfect military state), and also from the methods used by the Indian caste system to indoctrinate the Untouchables.

Our school system isn't failing, it's doing the job it's been designed for. It's part of a control grid, installed by the Rockefellers and Carnegies of the world, to limit human potential, which they correctly percieve as a threat to their dominance (the pecking order instinct).

Freeing ourselves as children is one essential key to freeing humanity as a whole, because it is much easier to change your path and rethink your ideas (doubt) as a child or young adult. There is clearly a point in time at which we lose our capacity to accept new information and instead run on autopilot, or in one reality tunnel. I think of my Grandmother for instance, as an extreme example.

sentimental education

I always bring up my memories as a six year old child to illustrate the unreal education system.I think it's a classic case, of how my sixth grade teacher singled me out, because i did not conform like the other kids, because i drew a picture that was different from the rest of the kids, in a particular exercise, of drawing a picture of our dreams.

Also i recall learning to read fairly quickly, but my spelling skills are messed up and i might have been able to learn math , but something at about the age of 10 prevented me from moving well in that skill.Perhaps there are genetic factors, perhaps the times and situation, my parents, being an only child, but really from the age of six on i felt like i was not too keen on how things were going in this american education.

Why if i could learn to read quickly was i so suppressed in other areas ? Maybe when i was growing up as a kid in the 50's i was lucky that i got through grade school without being so emotionaly confused by all the signals of the system, that i could read at least.As now days it seems that children are having an emormously difficult time even learning how to read a book.Not to mention the effect of the environment and toxic TV.

Truly the education system is a mess.And i could go on in this vein, pointing to the obvious lack of concern by so-called leaders.It is so appalling that by 12 i hated even saying the pledge of allegiance, let alone those ridiculous duck and cover drills, that getting under your desk was going to keep you from harm, well maybe falling glass, but what then? I have to try to laugh at how, we use to say, "put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodby."

Oh the 50's with the shadow of the bomb and Howdy Doody.

The great purpose of school...

"The great purpose of school can be realized better in dark, airless, ugly places. . . . It is to master the physical self, to transcend the beauty of nature." -- William Torrey Harris, US Commissioner of Education, 1889-1906.

Thank you for this insightful essay. I would like to second Mossyfern's recommendation of Gatto, and also mention in this context the work of Joseph Chilton Pearce (see _Evolution's End_ and _The Biology of Transcendence_). He connects the lost initiation rites with a stage of brain growth and myelinization that is supposed to happen but, in our civilization, usually does not. It corresponds to a birth into a larger identity that both contains and transcends the hyperrational ego self of the 12-year-old. For centuries, we have considered reason to be the highest form of human cognition, and the man or woman fully governed by reason to be the most highly developed human being. Pearce discusses further stages of development involving the poorly-understood prefrontal cortex.

Charles Eisenstein

www.ascentofhumanity.com

"to transcend the beauty of nature"

Thanks, Charles. That puts a fine, demonic stamp on the enterprise.

I concur on the relevance of Joe C. Pearce's work, I have "Bio. of Trans." and esteem it greatly.

In it he sketches the research on pre-frontal cortex connections to neuro-cardial systems, the "brain-in-the-heart" which has been pioneered by HeartMath. I've been using a HeartMath biofeedback device to restore some of this connectivity, and feel it has been effective. I'm a kinder, gentler egomaniac now, markedly more capable of empathy and compassion. All is not sweetness, alas, for the Terminator, and Agent Smith, are still loose in my wetware. Some days, it's rough in there.

No worrys. I know, when the light hits, the dark gets tough, but dawn comes, and shadows retreat.

When School Is a Tragedy

Let me add a touch of the truth concerning how the school experience can hurt children. When my nephew began school he could already read, print, was exceptionally curious, higly talkative, and was showing signs that he was a pretty brilliant Kid. His educational experience became a mess of accusations that he was hyperactive, insistences that he be drugged on Ritilin, insistences that he be psychologically tested. It was found from tests he was in grade 2 working at a grade 8 level of comprehension. His experience now moved into behavior modification: use his love of sports as punishment, cut him away from his peer group for isolation, create a behavior journal to be carried from school to home and signed by teachers and parents. Infect the home environment with the school environment so his behavior can be worked on from both ends. This works on parents natural expectations for their children. This program of accusation, intimidation, punishment, isolation and harrassemt was ongoing. I believe the behavior journal became his self-fulfilling prophesy where he had no other identity than a behavior problem. His experience now moved into young experimentation with drugs, the experience of being locked down in a CAS safehouse. Young experimentation with alcohol became his own school charging him. This rushed him into the world of courts, lawyers, fines, wearing the label of young offender, being on probation, being banished from the school system and forced to now educate himself in a special center for behaviorally impaired adolescents. His attempt to re-enter the normal system and reunite with his peer group of friends was as relentless as the systems insistence that normal school and highschool dances could not be possible for such a behaviorally impaired young person. His natural inclination to escape such pain and confusion in his young life through drinking, thrust him into a weekend in city jail, being transferred to a minimum facility which held hardened criminals waiting for transfer to maximum facilities. Here he underwent some pretty degrading experiences. Now to court and from court sentenced to three months confinement in a closed Youth Detention Center. He got out of this center in April of 2000 and eight months later, at 18, on December 23, 2000, he committed suicide. Ask yourself what happened to his young brillance? Why has the need to conform outweighed the young right to be cultivated and socially grown in a rich, learning environment? How can our young people ever enter and take part in our society when their reputation is destroyed before they even grow up? C.Wright Mills stated; "every social pattern that touches our lives molds and shapes us and determines success and failure." In 2002, I studied my nephew's life from birth to his suicide at 18. I studied Suicide for six years. It was sad and compellingly tragic when I had to realize through Emile Durkheim's work into suicide, that when you disrupt the beginning family story for a child, collapsing their developing self-identity and self-beliefs, society makes a ready prey for suicide which can be cultivated in, at the moment self-belief collapses. And we call ourselves a civilized society!

the call

for civilization, seems like a great idea, but the great pessimist Freud, was not too hopeful that our so-called civilized society would work.In the shot run or the long run.I think this was his contribution, his word to add to the collective unconscious pool of insight, as it were.

as far as Tragedy, Nietzsche added his word on that.

i bet Mark Twain had some just wonderful insights on our

"Education" too

let me see, he was saying how kids don't speak the river slang no more bcause of the railroad, initials, it's like words we once used when we were in school, like cool, and bitchin. but at least we could have long rambling conversations in the night with our school friends.

kinda like floating on a raft with Huckleberry finn and Tom Sawyer and Jim(the black run away)Oh and Becky.

i did not much like The Red Badge of Courage, but i liked For Whom the Bell Tolls. Maybe i will read Emerson more some day.Funny how that Walden's Pond is getting smaller.

Also, your post, rings a bell that should toll loud and clear.Sure am glad i was not one of those Ritilin kids.I was a flower child. 

Serious School Issues

CJ....thanks for responding to the seriousness of my post. I am sharing young Mike's story on many internet social networking sites. I loved this dear, sensitive and caring young boy so I make sure he did not die in vain. I am waking parents up and empowering them to fight back even if it means going to the top of the pyramid to the big cheese! Huck and Tom's raft is well afloat and more parents are sailing on it all the time. Its really tragic that as a society we made such a radical turn from the flower child to the Ritilin child. You know what they say, "Sow them in pain and you will reap them with tears and sorrow."

speechless

What a horrible tragedy. Words fail me, and I am sure it is not that unusual.

One of the things I tried to avoid doing in the paper was getting into a lot of 'our culture is bad' ranting. There is plenty of writings about that, some of them excellent. The evidence for it is, of course, overabundant. The problem with that polemical approach is it tends to refer implicitly to other, 'good' cultures which, as far as I can tell, have never yet existed on this planet. If we want to see a really human civilization, we have no choice but to invent it ourselves.

Looking at your story in the context of the article…

Here are two ways to be brutal to children. You can treat children as if they are not persons yet, order them around, beat them up when they don’t obey, but basically let them run free most of the time. Then at a certain age, you take all the boys out of their family and community and subject them to all kinds of physical and emotional ordeals for a couple of weeks: red ants, mutilations, terror tactics and so on. Then you bring them back in and they are finally persons – no one messes with them any more.

That could happen in some village cultures in West Africa.

Or you can be so thoroughly confused about this ‘boys into men’ business – confused about your own personhood and manhood, actually -- that you mechanically, compulsively attempt to take them through that process every moment of every day of their childhood and adolescence. This results in killing their spirit and driving them crazy. But you’ll be treating them as grownups while you explain to them what’s wrong with them and how you plan to fix them.

That’s North America 2008.

Take your pick. I prefer the former, but not by a huge margin. We can do still better, I think, but there is no historical template for it.

Marc Lazard

Facing Reality

Hi Marc...sorry I muddied the waters but you know I don't adhere to the perspective that our "culture is bad" but more so that our societies have been hoodwinked by too much psychological study, too strong an attempt to control human behavior and education too much about the needs of a structured class environment rather than enhancing richly the child's environment to learn creatively.

 Its a tough problem in school today because of course the dissemination of psychological techniques begins at the University level where those who will teach, teachers, infiltrate strong psychological thought into all teaching mandates.

When one considers the growth and development occurring simultaneously with the early school years it imparts the importance that, that growth, should be upheld by everyone touching and influencing the young growing life of the child.

Yes, we must not break the spirit of children, they become troubled teens in pain, lost in their lives, and as they represent the future society, we can only hope that we have done our work well as we pass the torch to tomorrow.  

Young Mike's life is a testimony to the failure of our educational system. His young death is a testament to how far away we are from truly grasping the importance of the first eighteen years of life and their relevance to becoming a strong and functioning member in society. 

Your article is excellent, the kind of  which we need more of!

excellence

as i apply my art, as i do my thing, as i speak my mind, as is my want to do, dare to say the things the nobody else will or can say.having said that, and in this medium i attempt to navigate the rough water of the flows and trecherious bends of the exchange,I admit freely that i can't quit get the hang of people posting a blog or on a forum and then with that bit of information offered they now are some formal to appear as some kind of authority, or expert, on the topic, or prolly that is not the intention, as such, but what happens is in the process of the information gathered with foot notes, ect. like in a univeristy class writing exercise,. We are now in some kind of formal pose, as if the bloger or forum treat topic person has to cover for their , ah, paper on some just so important subject.And it is, but therein lies the rub.We are back to the very mind set that we are attempting to deconstruct.I have to admit i do not not understand the blog owner's response exactly in light of the last response.

Why would you have to say "sorry i muddied the waters" why are we now sorry for saying what we feel upon reading some information offered as food for thought? I see this as part of the problem, that we are now speaking of ants in Africa, as opposed to the current trends in education in a very dysfunctional system, that cranks out kids like in the movie The Wall.'We don't need no education, hey teacher leave those kids alone" like that.I sorry? I'm sorry for not getting a just wonderful education.I did not learn to write in a college class, well not exactly.I had to teach myself to be a poet and a writer, i had to crawl through history books on my belly and read the writing by the ants.The War of the Newts. I done. Really i think the author of this blog did a good job, but it seems that we are as usual in these exchanges, coming down to the nitty gritty of the actual exchanges in the trenches.Or in this case under our desks.I i'm sorry i failed to duck that remark! sorry i will now say something that is off the wall, well it's taken that way,from the writing between the lines on the wall.Rock and Roll highschool.

really i understand the ideas on initiations, really.

really i rant, i rent, i rail, i pin the tail on the donkey. 

I can't find the Donkey's Tail

CJ....tragedies in life seem to be a specific fuel that empowers us to dare to say the things that nobody else will. My response that I was sorry to have muddied the waters with my otherwise truth telling was just my own integrity to not offend the specialized work of someone who put alot of thought into a great article. Social convention seems to say that I should only comment on the article but the nature of the article speaks to the importance of school education juxtoposing with the natural environment of the actual experience. If the actual experience has the ability to harm, hurt or even kill, I think it just must be said outright! I am also a poet and have published so I know where you are coming from, the greatest part of my own education has been "the self-taught part."

why apologize?

 seeker,

Like cjmoore, I do not understand why you say you are sorry. You didn’t muddy anything. You told a horrible, true story that helps us connect the abstract ideas evoked in the paper with a brutal everyday reality that we often don’t notice because it’s wrapped in the jargons of psychology and political tracts. You did a useful job for everyone who is interested in this conversation.

cjmoore,

The red ants are here. They’re everywhere. They’re not just over there in Africa.

Marc

 

 

 

Going where Angels Fear to Tread

Hi Marc.....I guess I could say sorry I said sorry but that would be abit extreme.....I will simply chalk it up to revealing the truth is sometimes like delivering shock...one must be aware that words wield the power to affect people and I am still getting used to revealing honestly, feeling responsibility for my words and attempting to hold integrity in balance with what is being addressed.

where i am coming from

i agree, but i, and i write like i think, i don't think like i write.I follow through, with what i perceive, there is no way to make an omlet with out breaking them eggs, but it always comes down to arguments, of the chicken and the egg.If we are going to get down to the causes and the undertlying causes, of the symptoms of our civilization that perport to be called"education" and then we have very educated people telling us about the flaws in the methods as we then mirror those flaws, and bare brunt, as we bare witness, so do we begin to find pathways to open the discourse.Where as i feel all the documented foot noted information that this blog blogged, is grist for the mill.As we now have some idea about how to begin to unravel this mystery.

If i did not speak my mind, through the shattered excuse of an education, perhaps my mundane profane educated guess was shattered on its way out of the school of hard knock knock jokes.

ok, knock knock...ok...who is there?

sorry, i'm not here, i'm over educated.

ok, the professor has entered the room.

ok...now i'm getting an education.

in "the schools that do not teach"

oh, sorry, i can not afford it.

well , lets look at some kind of theses of the origins of

religion, and compare it to how people tought the children in the village.And then morph over to the actual hands on ways these academic wonders are passed on to the next batch of corporate clones.Oh, sorry, i ranted again.I realize that i am not writing a text book here.

However, i do feel that my lack of academic conditioning,is not necessarily a monkey wrench in the works, perhaps, it's time to see that the sand box is broken, then thinking outside of it, it the beginning of finding new ways to see, where we have been, come, and gone, going now.

rubric cube?

the idea of pinning the tail on the donkey, with a blind fold on.A kind of sensory deprivation game.?

(i sometimes leave my writing mistakes, just to break the monotone)

also, as i have been told that i do not make sense, by a authority on making sense, i wonder if it is possible to make too much sense? 

or is it just a fluke of the medium of the message? 

creative writing

"school of hard knock knock jokes"

That's a keeper!  I bet with a Ph.D. on your wall, you couldn't have come up with that.

 Marc 

actually its a kind of dyslexic demotic

or so another famous RealitySandwich literate, came up with.

cj

or it really is because of my self education, and my attempt to create a new way of writing, that comes from my writing a thousand of poems on the internet, let alone responses.

also i like James Joyce, ect. 

The Sandbox is broken

CJ...oh my god I love your black humour...as distasteful as all my research is, its writings like yours that keep me from falling down in discouragement or distress. I love your mistakes....its not about the correctness of anything, its about the power of the content. I believe we can only figure out the mess of education through sharing true stories and examining the nature of the experience by attempting to put ourselves in the shoes of young kids like Mike and trying to gauge how it must have felt to live through 18 years of such enforced agony. Don't you just hate those authorities on making sense? Its a little like the woodchuck who chucks too much wood and just can't stop

how much wood would

it take to build Lincoln's cabin?

how much wood would it take, how many woodchucks would it take to chuck it all?

but a woodchuck can't chuck wood?

i bet Huck could!

 

thanks, seeker, you made me smile, even if it's an upside down frown.

and now for that Chuck Berry song, "School Days"

School Days

CJ...maybe the woodchuck chucking wood and for what reason, and with how much wood he needed to build etc would be a better school lesson for kids whereby asking them to figure out how much wood went into Lincoln's cabin or Huck and Tom's raft would incite them to think outside of the box rather than putting the funny little jingle to memorization. Maybe figuring out the raft would incite them to freedom, adventure and the simple joy of wondering about life and all its mysteries. Only to happy to give you smiles as I am freely taking your posts as delicious black humor which has me here chuckling away by myself

Excellent article

Truly a masterpiece!

Operating Manual

Buckminster Fuller's "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth" offers some insight into the origin of schools.

 "...schools began — as the royal tutorial schools. You realize, I hope, that I am not being facetious. That is it. This is the beginning of schools and colleges and the beginning of intellectual specialization ... Only the Great-Pirate-protected robber-barons and the Pirate-protected and secret intelligence-exploited international religious organizations could afford such scholarship investment. And the development of the bright ones into specialists gave the king very great brain power, and made him and his kingdom the most powerful in the land and thus, secretly and greatly, advantaged his patron Pirate in the world competition with the other Great Pirates."

 

I certainly hear you Marc and have myself gone through the mind-numbing hours and years of highly regimented schooling. However, I've recently become involved with a program called Learning Through the Arts. This program is run in schools in Canada, the US, UK and parts of Europe. Essentially the program brings artists into classrooms (Kindergarten-Gr12) to act as a kind of creative wildcard.  The artist's must still connect to the required curriculum, yet are encouraged to develop and orchestrate a creative activity that will engage and enliven the students.

Dance, music, painting, drawing, media (photography, video, computers), media literacy and "active ecology" are the primary forms employed in order to connect the learning process to the creative process and offer paths for children to fully engage their natural tendencies towards expression, creation, curiosity, investigation, wonder and so forth.

There are no exams, no "rote learning", no right or wrong answers, no textbooks - it is all very hands on, or outdoors, or very messy, or colorful, with a lot of singing and dancing. What matters for the students is expression and creativity and an understanding of the world around them.

The program can potentially be introduced into any school.

One fact I find interesting with this program is where, after introducing Learning Through the Arts in his school, one Principal described the number of "discipline problems" falling from 100 to 8. This means that these children are excited and engaged in both the learning and creative process.

As for "higher education" - I hope programs like Learning Through the Arts set young students up to demand,  and to continue to engage and instigate ever more creative, organic and colorful ways to learn and express themselves.

An amazing TED Talk on this subject:

Sir Ken Robinson makes an entertaining (and profoundly moving) case for creating an education system that nurtures creativity, rather than undermining it. With ample anecdotes and witty asides, Robinson points out the many ways our schools fail to recognize -- much less cultivate -- the talents of many brilliant people. "We are educating people out of their creativity," Robinson says. The universality of his message is evidenced by its rampant popularity online. A typical review: "If you have not yet seen Sir Ken Robinson's TED talk, please stop whatever you're doing and watch it now." http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/66

A question

I don't have an answer to this question, but i just had a thought: Wouldn't it be more productive, efficient, and effective to just set every student up in front of a computer for supervised schooling online several hours a day? I mean, you can buy a simple computer for a couple of hundred bucks these days, and you'd more than make up the cost because you'd be able to customize the teaching format around individual students. Of course, some classes like art, music, speech, etc. would have to have a teacher for instruction but it seems like english, history, languages, sciences, and maths would work better online. Then, teachers could concentrate on supervisory and one-on-one helping responsibilities instead of having to prepare old-school "one-size-fits-all" lectures everyday. Bless our hardworking teachers, but i think we need to re-think everything in education, including the whole "markerboard+lecture" format. I think that kind of thing is seriously painful and ineffective for every kid, not just the creative and/or "disobedient" ones.

Questioning School

Hi True....when you say "Bless our hardworking teachers" you touch a nerve here, for our questioning of school and education should not be a tactic to marginalize all teachers into a narrow tube of thought. Take John Gatto, New York's Teacher of the Year when he honestly states, that to cover as a supply teacher in one school was to be met and told that he would be teaching a typing class in which the typewriters were not to be uncovered and he was to teach anything but the subject...or his teaching services would never be used again. Intriguing information about schools!

Computers are fine in schools but not before students should be taught to think for themselves and to question things coming before them. One highschool student this year told me he signed up for an Advanced Accounting Course only to begin the course to find the teacher was unqualified, computer illiterate and the advanced computer part of the course had to be dropped. The student questioned this because in todays world manual accounting has been derailed by computer programs which access the entire accounting story.

Teachers supervising sounds too much like "management" or being managed rather than teacher/student communion and creative learning.. Really what is the "disobedient ones"...are they the ones with the stronger imagination who struggle against conformity and why do we as adults mock them by assuming that in 13 or 14 years they have come to know the ways of life, should never err, never stumble and never fall?  

not doing

"Computers are fine in schools but not before students should be taught to think for themselves and to question things coming before them."

Can we make that "...*allowed* to think for themselves..."? The notion of "teaching" this runs contrary to the idea that children already are autonomous beings – which is the idea that undergirds most of the critiques of schooling. I think in many cases we can benefit children the most by refraining from doing something rather than doing. It’s a question of belief. I believe they already think for themselves, at least until we crush them with our “education.” What do you believe?
  

Abolish School

Hi Marc....I believe that school crushes the imagination and wonder of childhood. When I said "taught to think for themselves" I meant rather than telling them what to think, we should be encouraging them to think and question what goes on in their own particular learning environment. If young Mike had been allowed to stand and say, "you are really hurting me here...why are you doing this" he might be alive today! Control, authority and punishment prevents that from ever happening!

 When I read John Gatto's book, I realized how entrenched the school system is in our society which is disturbing when taken with all his realizations and confessions as a teacher. Its alarming to realize that basically the school system is probably nothing more than a tool for social conformity and control. I am all for home schooling or new types of learning that are creative in nature and would entail creative engagement between a child and teacher.

Are children autonomous beings? I was as a child so can only assume that all children are too. I distinctly remember being an independent thinker at a very young age. I in fact by 7 told my parents that I did not believe religion nor would I take it into my mind.

I am all for abolishing school!! However is that realistic in a world so expensive to live in, that all the mom's have been stolen and most of the kids have become "latch-key" kids?

Unite!

"I am all for abolishing school!! However is that realistic in a world so expensive to live in, that all the mom's have been stolen and most of the kids have become "latch-key" kids?"

It can be done when families band together. There are many successful examples. That's how the most illustrious alternative schools got started. 

 

Families banding together

This is a complicated matter in our society. Most parents I speak with must work and are very intimidated by even the thought of homeschooling. Most are having grevious problems with school issues and say that private alternative schools are not affordable. One family just went this route at a cost of $20, 000.....so this is a big problem for families who cannot afford this. One family realized their kindergarten child was already being targeted as "hyperactive" so removed him to an alternative school for that year at a cost of $500.00 a month. It would be nice if there was a solution for all families! If you have ideas Marc please share them. 

those who have done it

I suggest you explore these two websites:

www.educationrevolution.org

www.democraticeducation.com 

You will find info on people who have done it, on how to do it and even people who are looking for others to do it with, plus all kinds of other resources. 

Marc 

Attack Against Homeschooling

March 7, 2008, The San Francisco Chronicle

California appeals court ruling clamps down on attempts to homeschool.

The second district court of appeal ruled that California law requires parents to send their children to full-time public or private schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home. (Is this about money again? Does our society consider all parents stupid? Whose children are they? )

California courts have held that....parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children, Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. The judge wrote, "A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children, in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation."

(Fear tactics used, dealing with children in truancy situations and parents at risk for prosecution. This battle will probably be ongoing and is likely to spread.)

against the trend

I am not up to date on the California situation, but the national trend in recent years has been in the direction of affirming homeschooling rights.  Knowing the extreme cultural diversity there, I would say the Croskeys are up for an uphill battle.

Marc

The whole Battle

Don't mind me Marc...I am kind of watching this uphill battle and receive quite abit of information from many sources, many cities and countries. It is going to be an uphill battle cause some parents are so angry they are actually willing to go to jail over this. Parents are frustrated because many kids go to school but also have to be tutored and they question why the teachers and system is failing their children. For those who cannot afford tutoring or find free tutoring its simply a nightmare that seems to be getting worse.

Sorry to hear about the

Sorry to hear that they were unqualified, but to hear that they were computer illterate is simply astounding. Hopefully they will be replaced soon by an individual who cares about what they're teaching about and educating students.

I agree, mostly

I agree that the silent classroom listening to the teacher is an incredibly inefficient model. That has become even more striking to me recently while working as a math tutor. Every person tends to grasp math concepts in an idiosyncratic way. And almost everybody who has been schooled has misunderstood or altogether missed concepts in past years that prevent her/him from grasping the current material that is presented to them. Math instruction absolutely has to be individualized, and remedial tutoring even more so. From my limited experience, I believe that teaching math one-on-one takes brilliancy and teaching the same math ideas to 20 or 30 kids at the same time is not even in the realm of the human.

About computer learning, I think we have to be careful to notice that interacting with a computer is a very specialized cognitive mode and it needs to be balanced with other modes like paper books and notebooks, conversation, manipulating physical objects, making things and projects and so on. Some individuals will have more affinity with one mode of learning or the other. A good principle when trying to help someone learn something is to be willing to come at it from as many different approaches as possible. 

 

 

the teaching

exactly, one to one, from one mind to the other, i always see myself in that light, that i was learning from the master.The master came, in the form of the teachers i met along the way.I saw what was required, that one must become a conduit to the transfer of knowledge between the mentor and the student.For instance one of my favorite poets, whose mentor was another poet he never met personally.I followed to some extent the reasons that the one was drawn to the other.I read poetry by both of them, and things that the student said about his mentor.I heard the one, the student speak about his teacher, in his own class tought at a university, i droped in on the class.As the student, the teacher now lived in the same area that his mentor lived in, the teacher poet called himself a regional poet.In this region i was living in, in my readings of both poets, i felt some kind of resonate quality of their mental landscape, that actually impressed on me the deepth of their minds reflected off one another.

However i was drawn to the poet teacher, and the times i heard him read, in his class, and at poetry readings around town, i always felt a resonance with him, even though my own directions were diverging from that regional poetry.I do feel that his poetry has always been part of me, part of the influence that was poured into the mix of the teachers i met along the way, however incongruous seeming all the various influences.One a kind of nature regional poet another perhaps a maverick self taught teenage prodigy of the leader of the surrealists, or another self taught symbolist jazz eared poet.Or an old Socialist poet that could talk for hours about his favorite writers,who said " how can you possibly be bored, all you have to do is look outside the window, and it's all there" this about how to be inspired.And then he would take a sip of his whiskey and a bite of his sandwich and kept hammering nails in his little house up off last chance road, near where the golden tongued nature poet got his visionary inspiration from the redwoods around his little cabin, or his walks along the frothy lipped California coast waves that whispered their verse to him.His days like totem animals at the edge of the woodlands.

Computers and Modes of Learning

Hi Marc....when it comes to computers in the classroom it has not become a problem because school boards are pleading budget shortfalls which do not allow for purchasing or maintenance of computers. I believe computers in the school are as inefficient as calculators..the mind should do the work before the machine!

Learning modes are interesting things. For example I know my mind works best in an analytical way and I learn through hearing and listening. Some minds work best spontaneously. Some minds work best in a concentrative mode. Some minds work best through pure modes of curiosity. Some minds work best through gentle, patient and even poetic modes. Some minds work through explorative modes.

When we consider that there are varying ways of thinking and learning then it goes back to, what the hay is school really about and why are we doing that? John Gatto says, "its all about dumming down, stereotyping kids and furthering the social class system." Tutoring has become a very big thing for many students because with large class sizes, one on one has virtually become impossible!