I am Rock and Roll
Wat a minute, am I rock and roll? Yes and no.
As Soupy Sales and White Fang, circa 1965, would ask, "What do we mean by that!?" "Yeah. What do we mean by that!?"
We mean that rock and roll and the being-ness of moi are one and the same, but it is a troublesome identification and it requires a sense of history to make it tolerable. Let me explain.
Everybody, all humans, came out of Africa. There is no longer a serious debate about this. You, I, and our various neighbors came out of the lower east side of the African continent. Let's start there.
Our foremothers and forefathers began walking out of Africa 65,000 years ago, left, right, left, right, one, two, one, two, stepping northward along the beaches carrying babies, to populate first southern Asia, China, Java, and later Europe. At first we all had dark skin, and later, in the places where sunlight was less intense, skin pigmentation became less too, so that honkies could get vitamins from the limited light.
That mama and papa had music at the start of it goes without saying. There are all kinds of speculations in the literature about how that happened; such wonderings are pointless and at the same time many of them could be more or less true. Darwin thought that music originated as mating calls and territorial tags. OK. Right. So what? The problem is that differentiating the calls of birds from, say, the symphonies of Beethoven, has become a false distinction framed in an underestimation of the bird, on the one hand, and an overestimation of the bourgeois male, on the other. We don't need to go there. And Ludwig noted the songs of birds in his sixth symphony, apparently without worrying about his position in any grand scheme vis a vis "lower" species, and this makes him a rocker. Again, Soupy says, What do we mean by that?, etc.
Listen to that first movement, one, two, one, two, with a touch of swing, where the three comes in. There is a kind of stuttering in the strings, where one, two, one, two becomes twelve or two sixes. This either makes sense to you or it doesn't, based on what you know of Ludwig and the blues, but the point is that beats can be divided by three as well as two. In Europe, classically, we have tended to use either twos or threes at any given time, but in Africa, in spite of all the variations of musics across hundreds of ethnic groups, playing two and three at the same time became a kind of universal underlying musical characteristic.
Scholars have speculated variously about why this is, and we mustn't take these sorts of speculations about ye olde origins too seriously, but I like the one about mama swinging the baby one, two, one, two, while pounding turnips on a cycle of three. According to this theory, babies grow up in Africa experiencing polyrhythms in the movements of the mother more or less constantly, because in these cultures, babies spend most of their time on the body of the mother as she goes about her business. And of course there is music in that environment that expresses polyrhythms, and the kids absorb that too. Latin American musicians, particularly Cubans and Puerto Ricans, call the combined rhythm of three and two clave, and it is the basis of their music. One, two, three, one-two.
I once jammed on stage with the Nuyorican poet Miguel Algarin, and started by snapping my fingers in the clave rhythm, and the bongo player got in right away with something very complicating and, to my ears, very African, and Miguel immediately began yelling for Chango, one of the west African deities who followed the slave ships across the middle passage to the Americas. Three against two is that evocative, that culturally specific, and immediately goes to the god realm one way or another.
So why was African polyrhymical practice, as well as African religion, retained in Latin America and not so much in Anglo America? Broadly, there are two answers to this. One has to do with the conditions of slavery being different in the two Americas, and the other has to do with religion. I'll take the religious explanation first, because it's the shortest.
The Latin countries are Catholic, and the north is predominantly Protestant. Catholicism, though fairly rigid in its dogma, has exhibited more flexibility in its tolerance for some native cultural practices than has Protestantism. Drumming persisted in the Spanish Caribbean, but in the Protestant north, it was made illegal before the American Revolution. It is worth noting in this regard that the location in North America where African musical customs had their strongest persistence -- New Orleans -- had been a Catholic town.
The slavery issue is more complicated, but it comes down to two main factors.
1) In North America, slaves were shipped into large ports, like Charleston, and then dispersed over a vast territory. In the Caribbean, the area of dispersal was much smaller. This meant that in the islands, slaves from Dahomey, for example, might be concentrated in a small area, rather than being mixed in with slaves from other regions. Under such circumstances, particular customs had a better chance of persisting over time.
2) The working environment in the North was not as harsh as in the Caribbean, where climate and disease took a heavier toll. This meant that the Caribbean plantations required "fresh" supplies of slaves from Africa on a regular basis to replace those who had died. In the north, slaves tended to live longer so that, for example, by the time of the American Revolution, the majority of slaves in North America were American born, thus making the continuation of old customs less likely.
In all places where European and African peoples lived in close proximity, there was cross-fertilization. Whites learned to grow rice from blacks, for example. But in a master-slave structure, it is to be expected that the burden of adaptation is on the slave, not the master. The master has the privilege of freely picking and choosing from the slave's way of doing things for his own profit and advantage. The slave adopts major aspects of the master's culture, such as language and religion, not as a matter of choice but of necessity. North American slaves had to learn English. And those who were able to adapt to the master's music found some advantage there, fiddling in the master's ballroom, one assumes, being more pleasant than field work. It took some time before the master got around to taking on the rhythms of the slave's music, but at a certain point, it became advantageous to the dominant class to finally adopt, on a large scale, elements of the African style in music.
By the mid-nineteenth century, whites performing in black-face minstrel shows had adopted the banjo, an instrument with African origins that had been played by Africans in the Americas from early days, and the Civil War served to popularize the instrument further among white musicians. But the music of minstrelsy, written by northern, city-dwelling whites with little or no exposure to real southern black culture, initially bore more resemblance to Scottish ballads than to African American song.
Hymn singing during the great religious revivals of the period did serve to meld black and whites styles of music to some extent, since call and response and repetitive songs somewhat akin to the African style were easily learned and performed by large gatherings, and given the fervent celebration of the holy ghost, segregation receded in this context to a degree unprecedented in other social contexts.
The inoculation of the white population by the pseudo-Afric affectations of white artists in blackface makeup had a couple of notable effects. One was that it served to humanize blacks for the white masses. This seems counterintuitive, because minstrelsy was a parody based on a stereotypical fantasy, and might rightly be considered by African Americans an insult and a rip-off which, rather than improving on racism actually perpetuated it, but the effects of cultural phenomena are complex, and not all are so negative.
American popular songs had always carried a strain of sentimentality. Mass market popular music, in the sense of a modern pop culture business phenomenon, got its start at about the time of the American Revolution. The memory of that great founding upheaval was very real for those who experienced it first-hand and it persisted in family legends, fostering a founding mythos of the nation that featured the struggle of ordinary individuals against seemingly invincible powers. This was given a boost by the Romantic urge that emerged in the arts in general in the post-Revolutionary period in Europe and America. But the American audience in particular had a taste for songs that dealt with the struggle of the heroic underdog and the sadness of the soldier, sailor, or poor boy a long way from home. One result of this sentimentalism was that in minstrelsy, after the initial phase of mocking a stereotyped happy-go-lucky rural idiot character had run its course, there emerged blackface characters who displayed humanizing emotions of love and loss. Thus minstrelsy, which began by sanitizing and even idealizing life under slavery, played a role in abolishing it.
The other effect of minstrelsy that I want to note here is the way it fed back into black musical practice. Mistrelsy emerged roughly twenty years before the Civil War and emancipation. So by the time that large numbers of free blacks were moving into the labor market, the minstrel style and all its conventions had been well established. This meant that black performers who wished to go into show business had to adopt the fake "Ethiopian" accent and stylized shuffle and mannerisms falsely attributed to African Americans. In a final ironic twist, they had also to adopt the blackface makeup, because key to the effect was the uniform coloration of the performers' faces. A dozen white guys in black makeup are all the same color, but a dozen black guys out of makeup are not. So blacks had to learn black style from white artists who had made it up with little real reference to the way real African Americans actually behaved.
By the late nineteenth century, a free black middle class had emerged, and from its ranks came a number of classically trained musicians, the best known of whom are probably Scott Joplin, who popularized ragtime music, and W. C. Handy, whose adaptation of a song he learned from a country singer (St. Louis Blues) marked a milestone in the evolution of commercial popular music.
So we have two interlocking musical trends here, and for two hundred years they have happened in the context of a commercial popular culture. One is Africans adopting European music and blending it with whatever elements they were able to retain from their original cultures, and the other is whites taking up elements of African musical practice and carrying it over into European styles. It's a feedback loop that has been going on for centuries, it is the engine of American pop.
The blues is an example of the two trends meeting in a commercial popular environment. I realize I'm on dangerous ground here, because the blues, like most folk-based musics, carries a sense of a pure strain that is prior to, beyond, and even opposed to a perceivedly co-opting and corrupting commercialism. The simple answer to this is that labels such as "blues," "jazz," and even "folk" are themselves commercial categories generated and propagated for purpose of marketing. Duke Ellington is supposed to have said that there are only two types of music, good and bad. Once we get beyond this and into names of styles, one way or another we're talking commerce. Robert Johnson probably referred to what he was doing as "the blues," but he was selling it, no? The ethnomusicological literature is full of conversations with traditional singers who have no particular label for what they do. What do you call that? -- "I call it a song," or "it is the story of a great hero and his bride." It aint "folk music" until it comes time to market it.
The point is that it is in the American marketplace that black and white styles most fully merged, beginning with blues and jazz, and moving into rock and roll, which is where I came in. American music is a hybrid, and it happened from the start in an ethnically mixed environment without which it would not have happened, but it happened in an environment of oppression, and therein lies a problem, particularly for a teacher of music, such as myself, and a white musician, ditto.
Now I have to go into the balancing act that occupies me every time I teach this stuff, and particularly when I teach a course in song writing, as I have now more or less every year for a decade, and where, inevitably, half the males in class are white guys from the burbs who, in the presence of a drum beat, instantly assume the peculiar, rounded vowels and crisp consonants of thickest black-Bronx English. Why does this make me cringe?
Questions multiply. Am I uncomfortable with this because I see it as a sign of ignorance? Am I assuming that if they knew where this music was coming from, if they understood what it was, they wouldn't assume that voice? And when I play a blues-inflected solo on the guitar, am I doing the same thing?
For more than a century, racism and segregation permitted white artists to present as their own styles of music innovated for the most part in the black community. This allowed Irving Berlin to plagiarize Scott Joplin with impunity, and George Gershwin to be marketed as "the King of Jazz." Elvis was a particularly good example of the musical consequences of segregation. The producer who discovered him, Sam Phillips, was looking for a white singer who sounded black, in order to market a hybrid style of music with strong black roots to a white segregationist audience.
Again, as with minstrelsy a hundred years earlier, the effects were not all negative for the black side of the non-equation. First of all, segregated communities provided the conditions for intense experimentation in black musical practice that might not have happened at all in an integrated society. Also, the segregation of the recording industry allowed the development of black entrepreneurship in music that culminated in the successful cross-over of black artist into the mass market, as with Motown Records in the 1960s.
Michael Jackson, may he rest in peace, is a particularly good example of the hybrid, on many levels, from his musical style to his success and of course his efforts to, shall we say, deracialize his appearance. The fact that as late as the 1990s, he became the first black artist to regularly play the rotation at MTV is testament to the longevity of segregationism in the US. Things continue to improve, seemingly, and even the premature label of "post-racial" America is in some ways a positive sign, but conditions are still far from ideal, and conditions of exploitation continue.
So does all this mean that my white students shouldn't be rapping? Does it mean I shouldn't be playing rock and roll? Are the two things the same? Rock and roll is substantially hillbilly music, which has roots in the British Isles, where I was born. And I learned it from white musicians before I was even aware of its black roots in any meaningful way. But is rap the same thing? Is it more black than rock? And does any of this matter? Doesn't music belong to everyone? And maybe the fact that we bought all this music justifies our sense of owning it? Well, I've come to a position on all of this, sort of.
In graduate school, when I was taking my oral exams for the doctorate in music, I was asked the following question: What if you were teaching a class on jazz, and someone asked what right you, as a white man, had to teach black music, what would you do?" I found myself saying that we would have to make that question, the issues it raises, a part of the course content. That's where I'm at with this.
I don't rap; in performance, I don't pretend to have an accent that I don't use in my normal speech; I don't tell my students they can't co-opt other people's musical styles, but I do try to understand where my music comes from and help my students to understand where there's comes from, and to make issues of appropriation part of the curriculum.
In a culture where participation in indigenous peoples' spiritual practices can be arranged for you by a travel agent, it is important to understand the history of the things we choose to practice, particularly with regard to historical conditions of exploitation, to respect the traditions behind all cultural practices, and to make decisions on what and how to practice in light of these considerations.
P.S. I want to note here that I probably would not publish this piece in a venue where readers couldn't easily respond to it with comments. The cool thing about this format is that RS allows us to experiment, to put out ideas that are not fixed and may never be settled, and to learn from the community's response. I look forward to readers' feedback.
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I think that you used some
I think that you used some great analogies here. This reminds me of the Frazier Herskovitz debate. The founders of the Africana Studies field were arguing over whether or not African retentions even existed in American culture. Eventually it was accepted that not only were African cultural artifacts visible in African-American culture but in Anglo-American culture as well and vice versa, just as you demonstrated with your music example.
At the same time, at the root we all come from the same source. We're all indigenous to the earth. But, as Americans, not indigenous to this land, we're disconnected from our cultural roots (to varying degrees whether our more recent heritage is African, Asian, or European). But, it's important to remember that as members of a spiritually bankrupt culture as a result of our ancestors experiences with colonialism, when we awaken to our longings for connection to spirit that we don't just co-opt the traditions of an occupied people. What we are longing for is our ancient connection to spirit. Yes we are all indigenous but that does not mean that we are Lakota or Cherokee or Navajo or Hopi.
Recently, I've been experiencing a lot of confusion coming from friends and acquaintances who are unsure of my intentions when participating in Native American ceremonies. I'm very sensitive to issues of cultural appropriation and this has only challenged me to make myself that much more sure that I find the most respectful ways of connecting to spirit while continuing to follow my path, especially while doing so in a Native American context.
I was born on the land that other people than my ancestors cared for. To me it makes sense that as I wake up to the whispers of my own ancestors, I ask permission to the Native people of this land before I just start participating in their ceremonies. I think it's important to remember that they are still an occupied people. This is still occupied land. Our indigenous brothers and sisters are still suffering. And if we claim ownership over their spiritual practices we are only extending colonialism into the spiritual realms.
That being said, it's important not to lump different traditions into one whole. They are distinct cultural traditions with cultural artifacts as well as their own cultural mistakes. At the same time, we are all part of the same whole. And, at the root we are all indigenous to this planet. What is important is being conscious and coherent. We must be aware of the way that we act with regards to culture. Prayer is universal. Spirit is with all of us. Culture is manmade. But within cultures that come into contact with one another, respect is paramount for meaningful interaction and clarity of intentions.
For a good read on differing Native views on cultural appropriation see this link:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldenfloweroflife/message/691
sing songs you are taught in dreams
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Great post. I can relate
Great post. I can relate to a lot of what you wrote.
As someone who is a fan of, as well as plays, Delta/country blues guitar, I've entertained the ideas that this music I've 'adopted' is foriegn and not of my ethnic heritage/culture. I went through a period where I was experimenting with adding scandinavian or irish motifs to the blues I was playing as a way to make it my own. But I was quick to realize that as someone who has been born and raised in California (aside from some superficial traditions handed down) I am NOT Danish or Irish and really have no truck with those cultures as a result. But after some research and after reading an excellent book on this subject called "Escaping the Delta" I made peace with the fact that blues (like ALL American music) is the result of African and European influences that have been mingeling since the very beginning of this country, and as such I do have a "claim" to it so to speak. Not in a cliched "We are all originally African" way, but as an American playing American music.
For me one of the purist examples of this perfect hybridization is the Old-Time country singer Doc Boggs. He was an Appalachian hillbilly who grew up surrounded by the British and Irish folk songs that survived pretty much intact in the isolated hills where he lived, but also next door to black neighbors who sang blues and phonograph recordings of the same. As a result Doc basically played blues on the banjo (an 'African' instrument) but sang in a very 'celtic' modal manner--nasally with specific ornamentations and inflections that you might hear in old Irish ballads. VERY deep music. Ralph Stanley is another example. His version of 'Oh, Death' could be the dictionary defintion of White American Soul Music.
I also want to add that I think your approach to Native spirituality is commendable, and is a path I feel most Americans should adopt (realizing however, that it will never likely happen). This seems to be in tune with the ideas of becoming indigenous that Gray Snyder writes about. America is spiritualy bankrupt and the vast majority of people don't even know how spiritualy impovershed they are--filling that void with shallow and/or fundmentalist Christianity, TV, and other shit. A small percentage however do realize how thirsty they are and turn to alternative paths or religions to slake that thirst. I often think that if white America could collectively awaken to the fact that their pre-Christian European ancestors lived lives and practiced a spirituality not that far removed in basic idealogy from traditional Native American beliefs, there could be a profound shift in consciousness as Americans rediscover that their ethnocultural birthright gives them a connection to the Earth and the sacradness of nature--and a "real" spiritual ideology much more profound than the dead Christianity or consumerism that has harmfully grown in its place. It is a sprituality that is authentic to one's ethnic heritage in a way--and doesn't have the phoney residue of "let's pretend we're indians."
That said, the second part of this relates to what you wrote. Namely the realization that while your ancestors practiced a spirituality similar to what Native Americans had/have, at the same time we live on the North American continent--this is not Germany, Ireland, Poland, etc . . . . As such there are ways of spirit that arose indigenously on this continent that are reflections of specific regions, climates, flaura, fauna, landscape, etc. It is a balancing act. One that recognizes the similarity between your ancestor's indigenous religions and what is/was practiced on this continent--and then realizing that what the natives of this continet believed was a perfect component and/or 'creation' of a certain place's ecosystem so to speak. All this and you can still call yourself Christian! In fact a 'truer' Christain that you were before. After all, the Jesus I read about in the Bible is a real Shamanic nature figure if there ever was one!
"Sitting on the outside, just me and my mate. I made the moon come up two hours late. Ain't that a man?" -- Muddy Waters
retentions
Hi Alan, thanks very much for your thoughtful comments. The whole question of African retentions is fascinating. Robert Ferris Thompson (I think I got the name right) wrote a wonderful book demonstrating that African practices in the visual arts continued in North America, as evidenced by "bottle trees" and placing pottery around grave sites. There is also discussion in the literature of tap dance being a result of the prohibition of drums, so that the polyrhythmic percussion had to be taken up by the body.
One other thing you brought up, or strongly implied, which I neglected to mention in my article -- the idea of permission, or teaching, or admission of the "outsider" by the people themselves. Very often in the musical context, even MOST often, musicians are quite welcoming. I jammed with Don Cherry one time in concert. He was playing a kind of kora or African harp, and I played a classical guitar. I came out of that a changed musician, and in that context, any question of the appropriateness of my riffing with him would have been absurd. So the personal transmission in a context of mutual respect is key.
One other note on that. I once was involved in a large group discussion with the anthropologist Denis Tedlock, and the issue of white appropriation of native knowledge came up. Denis said that the Guatemalan shaman with whom he was then working wasn't worried that the westerner would publish the shamanic knowledge, but that he would get it wrong. Thank you. st
You jammed with Don Cherry!
You jammed with Don Cherry! Yes! The other day I played a set with Marcus Belgrave. :)
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Actually I see Black Metal
Actually I see Black Metal as somewhat of an angry and immature response (but a response none the less) to what some refer to as the modern/Western 'culture of death'--or as Jim Morrison said once 'a society that is hostile to life.'
It seems to be a blind unenlightened rage and mourning for a percevied lost pre-christian tribal and pastoral 'Eden' of sorts.
It would be great if that movement's hate and anger could be channeled in a more positive direction.
That said, the band Wolves in The Throne Room seem to be doing just that.
"Sitting on the outside, just me and my mate. I made the moon come up two hours late. Ain't that a man?" -- Muddy Waters
Cultural appropriation
Great article, very lucid dissection of these complicated cultural problems.
As a kid, I adopted a "black" voice to fit in with my black friends. I'd never noticed it until it was pointed out to me by my parents; it was just something I did to fit in. My friends didn't find it odd, only my parents, who's experience of growing up was much different.
I read an interview with Jeff Beck in Guitar World years back wherein he recounted the story of Clapton and himself meeting Jimi Hendrix backstage after a show. I'm pulling from half-forgotten memory, but he recalled Jimi asking them why they played blues, and then pointing out that blues was "his" music (in the cultural sense), whereas they had their own culture to draw on and create from; why appropriate? Jeff Beck says he took this to heart and started exploring other areas on guitar, whereas Clapton obviously sees no contradiction in being a white British blues musician. So who's right? And does it matter?
Hrafnagud, I think you're right, that the hate and rage of Black Metal are a sort of musical reaction to our current environment. I would consider even the most hateful, primitive black metal to at least be a useful reflection of that darker part of ourselves, which is a major part of our current problems, i.e. "death-worshiping" culture. It's crazy that death/black metal has become a truly global art form, with bands hailing from almost every continent. Quite a negative atmosphere out there.
And Wolves in the Throne Room DESTROY Behemoth.
You are absolutely correct--- Blackened Death Metal is Global
No Time For Love if They Come in the Morning
As far as the "white boys" from the burbs in your class rapping goes, why not just get a dialogue going with them about Hip-Hop culture? Maybe some of them know some real shit about Hip-Hop.Maybe some of them don't. Knowing the roots or all this music is very important, and I def give you respect for your theory and practice.But as I'm sure you know, each generation is a combination of past influences and present circumstances. So some very real things happened in this country since the 70's, that has made something like Hip-Hop more accessible and perhaps more authenitcally felt by those white boys in the suburbs, who back in the day would really be world's away from someone like Scream Jay Hawkins.For one, the Middle Class that was apparently booming in the 70s significantly decreased by the 90's. The Institutionalization of the Civil Rights generation occurred. This worked in collaboration with the rise and impact of Black popular culture. These white kids in the suburbs have had more of an opportunity to actually interact with Black and Latino cultures at an earlier age and in more frequency than previous generations.Lastly, Hip-Hop, at it's root core, is about inclusiveness. It seeks not to turn people away. That is it's underlying message. That being said, I personally feel that anyone who seeks to go deeper into the culture should do the essential knowledge of not only knowing the roots of the culture, but also get hip to the context of all of it. If you are a white kid from the suburbs who loves Hip-Hop, then show it by learning about as much of it as you can. Know the history of the relationship between the black community and the major record labels, etc (I think this and your other articles are great things to read as well) And yes, just imitating a style is always whack. B-Boy 101, create your own style. However, as someone once said, "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery." So maybe these kids are just searching and moving towards a great attractor behind all of this. True Unity!They got the message, know just give them the tools to get their Knowledge game up. Perhaps you feel that that is not your role. You can quiz them with little things then. Ask then about The Nation of the Gods and EarthsAsk them about the Five Elements of Hip-HopAsk them about RakimAsk them to freestyleThen join them in the freestylethat sounds like it'd be fun
teaching the source
This is exactly what we need Dialogue
All great posts as we now know we aren't trying to one up each other, we do have an absolutely unique opportunity to reach out and TALK. The fact that we can even talk about the sociological impact of an entire group ie. male white kids in America with no idea who they are, they just know they aren't what they seem. The music they listen to in America reflects that dissociation. At some point we are going to have to speak about the impact of Feminism which came about mainstream in the '70s, and along with every other civil rights revolution at that time and which is now prevelant everywhere just not politically correct to do so, labelled white men as the enemy to be hated and destroyed as they represented the patriarchy, now the grandchildren of these labels have all this sin eater guilt and impact hatred as their reality, the rage the kids feel comes from guilt that is not theirs but has been placed there by blame. Somehow this label will have to be removed before any positive healing can take place. Now we see that male white kids in eastern europe have grown beyond this and have created an entire occult subculture based on ancient Eastern European history. It is all about finding one's roots and heritage, and retrieving a collective identity and a personal self respect which can only come about when we find out the truth about who we are. Definitely the most interesting and controversial discussion here.Thanks!
Remember these are just my opinions based on my observations.
origins is not really the issue
Thanks for the response. You obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience. It may be that my remarks about historical roots have confused things. But "origins" is not what I'm after. All musics are hybrids.
The issue I'm struggling with is how appropriation of the cultural practices of historically oppressed groups by the historically dominant group is routinely passed off as simply sharing, as if all parties in the process are willing, equal participants.
It's the inequality and the history of rip off that is the problem. It's the unexamined sense of privilege that allows so many of us to dip into this or that continent, this or that style at will, as if the world is our oyster. I struggle with that.
Addressing this isn't silly, it's a conversation that goes on all the time because it's a necessary conversation, and one that relates to the larger plunder economy that many of us are trying to transform.
Cultural Awareness and History Seem important
Propaganda Anonymous
Knowledge about what has happened in the 20th Century American music scene strikes me as important.
One can do the Political Economy of 20th Century music and see what has happened to socially oppressed groups of people.
One can see the how much of a role major corporations have played in the development of the Actual Hardware that was developed to play the type of music we listen to today, as well as the sociology of entertainment industry in America as a whole.
I think it is possible to see patterns of business that have been used to pimp the performer, while seeking to get something for nothing.
So I think if you identifies with receiving some sort of socially constructed privileges in ones life, then one can learn about these patterns and do the work to stop them and play a hand in the creations of some new patterns of interaction.
This happens through experience with going outside of the realm you were raised in.
Questioning as many everyday perceptions of the regular man/woman on the street when it comes to their views of society, and why some people are the way they are.
And with the right study of Dave Chapelle's keen breakdowns on "race," the "privileged" will be on a much better track.
The Empty Form
Propaganda Anonymous
People singing or talking in a way that sounds similar to the way it's done within Hip-Hop does not necessarily make it Hip-Hop.There are surely similarities abound when it comes to musical templates, as eventually we can all be traced to the same source.
But what makes Hip-Hop particular is not so much the Form, but the Content. So for instance, much of the phrases utilized repeatedly with many songs that get termed as "Hip-Hop" have direct roots to something like The Nation of the Gods and Earths. Phrases like "Dropping Science" "Doing the Knowledge" and lots of others.
These are all reference points that inform people about Hip-Hop.That's just a quick example. I can elaborate if you want me too.
I believe that Hip-Hop has a distinct historical birthing period. Even though there were elements that in Hip-Hop that have gone back for hundreds, and as you state thousands, of years. The way that everything came together and got expressed is, in my view, what makes Hip-Hop, Hip-Hop.
The racial demographics of that time and space has Hip-Hop as a largely Black and Latino phenomenon. Yes, there were White people there from the jump, but they were the minority. So I tend to agree with those who call Hip-Hop a primarily Black/Latino art form.
However, because Hip-Hop is always expanding and has an inclusive nature, the demographics today show a wide multi-ethnic base to Hip-Hop.
What I love about this culture is that it reminds people to look at the roots with admiration and then attend to what grew from it with enthusiasm.
So now there are many rappers like KRS-ONE and De La Soul who speak about Hip-Hop offering the possibility of people to go beyond the notion of race, and just straight claim, "I'm Hip-Hop." when someone asks "What are you?"
Hip-Hop itself can be an Identity, like the modes of Race were/are for most people. I still don't think one can just say "I'm Hip-Hop" without understanding the 20th century roots of the culture though.
That would be like someone saying "I'm a Buddhist" without ever sitting down and reading the Dhammapada, or meditating.
Though I always leave room open to chaos, heresy, and paradox, and so I acknowledge that the most rooted Hip-Hop cat could very well be someone who has no idea about the roots.
I also have some faith in modern statistics and probability, so I know that this would be an extremely rare case.
In conclusion, study those degree's kids
As unlikely as it would seem Hip-Hop and Death Metal are related
Folk Indeed
Propaganda Anonymous
I totally agree.I think these music's would fit the Folk mold.
What are some good Death Metal bands highryder?I've been super digging on Mastadon's new album"Crack the Skye"I'm not sure if they would get termed as Death Metalbut that album is amazing!
Who are you digging on?
I know that Necro and Ill Bill have gotten in on the Death Metal/Hip-Hop fusion, but I can't completely dig on most of what Necro puts out.
Ill Bill though I think is pretty fresh.
Un-folk
@Highryder - One can only hope that the all this rage is somehow constructive. I guess destruction could be considered constructive, if you have to clear old ground to build something new. Or maybe we're all just unconsciously preparing for the cold, grim future.
@ Jeff Charest - Good points, but I don't think it's wise to dismiss the conversation entirely. As for Eric Clapton, well...He is caucasian, and he does play "the blues". No slight intended. I think the Jimi question is more about encouraging self-exploration than trying to weed out the "inauthentic" or something, which, as you point out with your examples, is a meaningless term.
And Link Wray is awesome. But then, thanking war for introducing new musical styles to top 40 radio...that just can't be right. A mixed blessing, at least. Or am I crazy?
@ Propaganda - Hip-hop is especially crazy when you look at it as a cultural phenomenon. It had/has(?) so many aspects: art, music, dance. And when you see how quickly all these things exploded, and how talented the artists became in such a short timeframe, it's a little mindblowing. But do you think hip-hop's "appropriation" by the mainstream has been beneficial? To me, it seems like heavy corporate influence, especially on the music side of things, has led us to today, where most albums are conceived as commercial products, rather than the cage-rattling that, to me, defined what was good about hip-hop. Basically, the sh*t has become music by conservatives, for conservatives. Was money always king in hip-hop? And if not, why has it become what it is?
And "Folk" is a marketing term, so they know where to file the record. As Highryder said, content is the important thing. What we call it is irrelevant. I think these types of discussions are helpful, if only so we (I) can revisit old pre-conceived notions and see if they still hold their weight.
Evocations
Reminds me of a lyric from MC Paul Barman:
"Was I making a mockery of a culture like a Choco Taco? Was I to rap as France was to Morocco? Was I colon rap colon colon France colon Morocco?"
Also, one strain of this discussion evokes the scene in David LaChapelle's "Rize" where shots of young angelinos "crumping" are interspersed with shots of African shamanic/ritual dance.
This is a great article in that it elicits questions that are expansive and often go silent for lack of an open forum.
Crack the skye is a Wonder work
Kerrang honors Behemoth
"Success"
Cultural appropriation and Native Americans
Black Crowes--- Before the Frost
cultural exchange
people have always been traveling, migrating, learning from and with one another. all of the indigenous people that i know are familiar with the time-honored, respectful tradition of protocols of cultural exchange. those of us not raised indigenous are probably not aware of these protocols.
as i have begun to learn them, they feel as simple as the terms "respect" and "exchange" indicate. offer a song from your tradition, learn a song from mine. the antidote to the habit of acquisition and appropriation.
two things that deepen and complicate this: when we are not rooted in our ancestral indigenous traditions, we feel we don't have something to exchange. for many of us it's been several generations of loss!
sincerity and authenticity go a long way: can we learn one phrase in any of our ancestors' indigenous languages? can we learn what they used for offerings - resins, seeds, berries, a prayer, a song? keep a little bag of myrrh and juniper berries around our neck or on our altar?
and then, what if we're buying an mp3 or CD or a song book? to whom do we offer the exchange? again, we can act our way into gradual understanding with simple authentic intentionality. offer a silent exchange, speak a prayer or a thankyou. it's the gesture that feeds the unseen world, says martin prechtel.
thanks for the awesome article!
A good conversation
Music is the subject dearest to my heart, seemingly synonymous with Love itself. Even grumpy old Nietzsche said this: "Life without Music would have been a mistake."
I've always been interested in history, and when you combine that with music, things get real interesting. All of a sudden, it's 'who spiked the kool aid', because you're dealing with ego freak storytellers obsessed with their own destiny (at least when you come to the names we all know and remember), the historical telling vs. what really happened, what's 'real' takes on a mercurial quality. So it goes with musicians.
Knowing the 'history' of your chosen subject is a noble thought, but one also must remember that 'history is the lie most agreed upon'. I do kind of chafe at this notion that whitey was just waiting in the wings to steal blackey's musical charms to make big profits. Rock and roll is an amalgam of white country and black blues, and it's not hard to picture a couple of dudes with a guitar at a bus station in town, waiting for their ride wherever, one white, one black, going, 'now, what did you just do there?'
The problem is, most of the so-called anthropologists studying this subject aren't musicians, and not every musician necessarily gets what old Robert Johnson was singing about way back when. Nowadays almost everyone either smokes pot, or did a couple of times, but that used to be reserved for the adventurous, jazz musicians, beat poets, and the like. Musicians, I would think, would have been of mind to 'integrate' far ahead of their contemporary Joe Six-packs. As mentioned, this goes farther back than just the time around WWII and probably dates to when musicians of different styles around the world started coming into contact with one another.
As concerns white boys doing hip hop, well, it's about as old as I am, if not older, but at least that old in the popular sphere. The Beastie Boys are a big part of Hip Hop's evolution, and with masterworks like Paul's Boutique, even could be accused of setting some high-water marks early on. There's a more American thing about this than just black or white, just as I'm an essentially Irish/German guy with a taste for Mexican Food and Sushi, interested in Hoodoo (another amalgam of European, African, and other practices, seasoned and mixed to taste) and Asian history.
In this country, if you find yourself interested in a particular culture or artifact thereof, you can find someone from that culture or who's had immediate contact with it. I know one of the best dijiridoo players in the United States, and before meeting him, I considered the instrument a 'toy', uninformed of it's history and the spirituality associated with the music it makes. Interestingly enough, many Dijj players are making music that's essentially dijiridoo over techno music (which has a broad range of influences ranging from Disco to Kraftwerk to Detroit house music).
Much of this bleeding over and melting through stems from the fact that music is essentially trying to distill some part of life, pretty or ugly, good or bad, to tell a story with words and music, both a soothing sound and a way of passing on lore. Music, same as the people who play it, has infinitely more in common than we have distinctions. As a previous poster acknowledged, it would seem Rap and Death Metal have a lot in common, and no, that's not blues, it's Asian music.
Now we have the ultimate in luxury, the ability to pick and choose as we wish, limited really only by our own imagination, because if I wanted to tomorrow I could start studying the Master Musicians of Jajouka or Vietnamese classical music, learn a ZZ Top guitar solo note for note or program a techno song the world could probably do without. Should I wish, I could combine all of them, and maybe it would be something cool. Or just hideous noise, for which there is a worldwide market, actually.
I would hope that people can see beyond the 'rights' of playing this or that kind of music. If an African, or Puerto Rican for that matter, wants to put on a kilt and learn to play some bagpipes, as someone of Irish and Scot descent, should I say, 'no sir, not allowed, and don't be blending in anything from anywhere else, either! Only PURE bagpipe music allowed around 'ere!' Saying 'white people shouldn't play the blues' is like saying 'black people shouldn't do Shakespeare' or 'Asian people shouldn't play classical', or 'Rastafarians aren't allowed to go to Quentin Tarantino films'. (OK, that last one's just ridiculous...)
Should I be outraged that Lil Wayne is trying to 'rock' now? Or is such a question silly? What's the net difference if 'we' picked up a banjo and 'they' picked up a guitar? And, a better question: who cares? It's all music, and it's all human, baby.
Point being, learn the history, accept the past, and don't forget about the NOW that is all around you, er, now. You have the option to make things as 'pure' or as 'impure/mixed' as possible, or anywhere in between. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go compose a heavy metal bluegrass symphony with Tibetan Yak vocals in the key of wtf?
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"Musicians, I would think,
"Musicians, I would think, would have been of mind to 'integrate' far ahead of their contemporary Joe Six-packs. As mentioned, this goes farther back than just the time around WWII and probably dates to when musicians of different styles around the world started coming into contact with one another."
Yeah, the culture and music of Africans and Europeans have been mixing since the two arrived in the Americas. Like you said musicians (and artists) seem to be light years ahead of everyone else concerning integration and sharing, etc... There have been books written about the differences in racial attitides in different parts of the American South--hill and mountain regions vs. flat delta areas for example. White mountain musicians from the late 1800's and early 1900's have been quoted as saying things like "In my community, when the musicians got together--black and white--we ALL drank from the same jug." Which is to say that everyone was pretty much equal for the most part and racial attitudes there were not as intense as in the valleys where most of the hardcore agriculture was taking place. In the mountains EVERYONE was poor. This relative equality--at least between musicians--lead to a blend of some seriously cool music and eventually rock n' roll. Interstingly, from what I have read about the subject, it apears that there was a brief moment in America before recorded music (pre-blues, pre-jazz) where popular black music and popular white music (at least in rural areas) sounded all pretty much the same. It was all country string-band hoe-down stuff.
On a side note, the evolution of California honky-tonk music is similar. California country musicians played a rougher music that was inluenced by things most other traditional country musicians would have ignored--rockabilly, blues of all kinds, and Mexican conjunto music just to name a few. In fact most of these musicians would have been performing to redneck crowds that would have probably been appaled by these artists willingness to embrace such cultural diversity (at least in music anyway). Again, an example of musicians being way ahead of the curve compared to the general population of America at that time.
"Sitting on the outside, just me and my mate. I made the moon come up two hours late. Ain't that a man?" -- Muddy Waters
American Indian Trudell Speaking Of The Tribes of Europe
With a little tune added...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyU_tbHo0NA
We are all related
Tonemah - I Know
Great article! Well, a lot
Sorrowful notes
I've been to a few Native American rendevous, and have been struck by some of their songs' sorrowful tones and rhythms.
I'm well aware that what these People sang forth in public didn't comprise all they could sing.
Yet I couldn't help but notice that many of their cadences and tonalities was rather like the pattern of 'blues' as most know it today.
I'm also fairly certain these tones and cadences weren't received from so-called modern 'blues' singers.
I can't vouch for any factuality of all that has been told me by various people I've listened to who've spent time with Native Americans, but I did come to know some a little. Learned a little first-hand.
I don't know why some trusted me enough to tell me some of their knowledge. And I don't pretend to understand what all was shared with me.
I can only talk about my first-hand experiences.
I was once on a mount that, for some reason, the 'forestry service' felt a neccesity to do some 'logging'.
The idea was that some 'wood' needed to be 'culled' due to 'wood-rot' or something.
Only, it happened to be in an area very near to a traditional area of 'visioning' in local Native American tradition.
In fact, I was only there because I had a car to transport another person much more informed about issues concerning Native Americans.
I admit I was rather confused about the entire issue.
At one point, standing there, watching a well-known local 'newsman' 'covering' this 'story', and trying to avoid the camera a local 'Native' approached me.
He was very nice to me. After some small-talk, he directed my attention to a rock.
He showed me that in this rock could be seen the outlines of an eagle.
And I could see it.
Then, as if no one else was even there, he showed me some nearby rocks with gouges in them, as 'grinding' bowls. He said it was traditional to grind local herbs there for the youths undergoing a quest for 'vision'.
I admit I was rather confused by this discussion with this man.
I had, ere this sharing, been told that the Forestry Service would stop all operations in this area if they could be shown any evidence of traditional usage or 'easement'.
I mentioned this to this individual enlightening me.
And wondered why this wasn't enunciated.
And was told that, from prior experience, when such information was openly given, such sacred sites were blatantly destroyed. So they'd rather approach the issue in other ways.
It took several months before realizing what trust was given to me. Even many years later I'm amazed by this experience. Treasure this experience.
I still don't understand it all. I only know that there is much more going on there than is in any print I know of. Yet I've not read all things. Nor talked to many people. I know my Mother and Father held Native People's in high esteem. Maybe that's why. I wonder now what they knew. I treasure history more due to this first-hand experience.
I don't know. Yet I think that must be part of why. And this man somehow knew that. Perceived that. We were there only maybe half an hour. It seemed to me he talked for hours. And he said many other things.
And then I drove my associate back to town.
I felt sorry for the entire situation. And rather felt the 'newsman' recording only feet away, was an unwitting participant.
I don't know why, but my confidant Native American friend made me sense all these things going on were rather both a comedy and also very serious. Serious with a tinge of humor. Confusing.
I felt sadness. I felt joy. What a strange experience.
I don't think we really get what's going on that such teachers understand and get. Yet.
Like, emotion seems very important to them. More important even than any linear story. Monodimensional story.
I say 'them'. Maybe someday I'll mean 'we'. Maybe today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe yesterday. And we all already and ever enriched by dream. A wonderful dream.
Should we waste time getting there? I can't think delay or denial anything but idiocy. Not after perceiving such beauty. They're great. Greater than we refusing to be 'they'. Today. Today. A wise people. With feelings. Yet somehow, I don't think we can imitate this. It is an invitation to intermarry as the only sincerity. A blood bond that naturally compells us to respect our children's grandparents. And their good traditions. Or what? Who can resist beauty?
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Whatever I said: maybe the opposite! Or the opposite of the latter. You decide!
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And
the music
came
over the summer
like black
liquid
chrome....
And at night
we rocked
in it's web...
jm