Live Action Watchmen

Alan Moore's famed graphic novel Watchmen is set to hit the big screen this March. The newest trailer for this murder mystery is already creating a buz on the internet. Set in an alternative reality of 1980s, he epic features an America where the Cold War endures and superheroes have been outlawed. Once again Alan Moore has declined to attach his name to a film adaptation of his books, claiming the plot line only works in comic form. However, filmmakers have attempted to remain true to the groundbreaking series.
- 11-21-08
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Alan hates DC
Alan Moore has done more than refuse to attach his name to the film, he's also put a magical hex on the thing. He's a fascinating guy, would fit right in at RS. Check out the documentary "The Mindscape of Alan Moore" on Google Video.
With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he too was a mere appearance, dreamt by another. - Jorge Luis Borges, The Circular Ruins
Hate is a strong word...
#from http://tinyurl.com/4jsbzy
"I find film in its modern form to be quite bullying," Moore told me during an hour-long phone call from his home in England. "It spoon-feeds us, which has the effect of watering down our collective cultural imagination. It is as if we are freshly hatched birds looking up with our mouths open waiting for Hollywood to feed us more regurgitated worms. The 'Watchmen' film sounds like more regurgitated worms. I for one am sick of worms. Can't we get something else? Perhaps some takeout? Even Chinese worms would be a nice change."
#end
Thanks, David S
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> That looked terrible.
The comic does not look much better--just some old school poorly drawn pubescent scribbling.
> Just some just some fast food BS
Yes--Comics are just simple stuff for kids. Simple. Easy to digest.
> with an underlying tone of patriotism
Exactly! Watchman clearly endorses American Involvement in Vietnam, the Nixon Administration, and most offensively American Nuclear Power.
> and masculinity.
Evil men!
Did you know that the Comedian tried to RAPE Sally Jupiter? And he is supposed to be the HERO of this "comic" book?!?
> But hey, its not my cup of tea.
Very good point--Alan Moore is BRITISH!
We all have our own aesthetic preferences, and I do respect yours; but, especially if you have never read a comic before, please do yourself a favor and check out Watchmen--contempt before investigation can be painful...Thanks, David S
Watchmen is precognitive
Considering it was written in the 80's, it loosely predicts future, "foundational" events, such as 9/11. IMHO, it's the best use of the comic medium out there, and is surprisingly deep. People read it 10+ times & keep finding something new. The Comedian is not the hero. If anyone's the hero, it's Rorschach, but he's also batshit nuts, so who's to know? As was said, read it before passing judgment. It doesn't praise America's foreign policy, but rather impartially critiques it.
With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he too was a mere appearance, dreamt by another. - Jorge Luis Borges, The Circular Ruins
Hex+Fox
Not to mention that Fox has attempted to block release of this film due to a rights dispute. That's why it's been all over the news recently.
Hmmm.Moore's curse is pretty potent!
David
For how simple I am, you made my comment so complex! And maybe I haven't quite grown up yet, because I still get graphic novels from the library frequently! Daniel clowes is good. Also if you like more mature comics check out,
I Am Legend
http://comicbooks.about.com/od/comicbookreviews/fr/iamlegendgn.htm
The Walking Dead
http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Dead-Book-1/dp/1582406197/ref=pd_cp_b_1?pf...
> For how simple I am, you
> For how simple I am, you made my comment
> so complex!
Yes--as a coffee drinker, I always have trouble relating to you tea people. I am sorry if I put words in your mouth.
Your comment:
> some fast food BS with an underlying
> tone of patriotism and masculinity.
is really so far off base it is amazing--do yourself a favor and see if Watchman is available at your library or read it in a bookstore...
> And maybe I haven't quite grown up yet, because I
> still get graphic novels from the library frequently!
And you do not know Watchman?
That is a sad statement on the state of our culture--when I was at UCLA Watchman was actually used in Film Class to teach how to set up a scene.
>Daniel clowes is good.
Yes. Yes he really is. And he owes a ton to Moore.
> I Am Legend
> The Walking Dead
These are both Undead related--Watchman does not have that much undead/horror type stuff--there is a very gruesome dead dog scene that you might enjoy--it actually caused me to loose sleep when I first read it.
Other work by Moore may be really appealing to you--his stuff on Swamp Thing was collected by DC and considered by many to be the highwater mark of monthly character recreation...
Thanks, David S
Why No Moore?!
Propaganda Anonymous
Alan Moore is one of the best. Anyone ever see his obit-rendering for the late Robert Anton Wilson?So Good and So Real.
Why is it that whenever Alan Moore's books get turned into movies they generally suck?
'Extraordinary League of Gentlemen,' gag me with a spoon man. Yuck, so frikkin crappy.
'From Hell' was aiight.
I hope this movie is better. BTW, Was that Natalie Portman? Wow! All the more reason why I kick myself for never approaching her in our highschool hallway and saying anything, haha.
My question is, How in the high heavens do these movie adaptations get made without Alan's permission? Man that would irk me to no end. Alan deserves more, me thinks. (Rim shot please)
Lastly, when is 'The Invisibles' movie gonna get made. Grant Morrison better be involved in that if it ever gets off the ground. Otherwise I'm throwing hexs and the Hollywood sign like molotovs.
PRop!
Link, Please!
Anyone ever see his obit-rendering for the late Robert Anton Wilson?
Is this available online? If not, where can on find it?
Thanks, Prop.
RAW/Moore link
Propaganda Anonymous
I watched it on the Maybelogic forum when Coldcut and Fly put the RAW memorial together in England last year.
I went searching for it to post in my comment and I couldn't find it :(
It's gotta be somewhere in cyberspace.
I'm on the road at the moment so my computer access at the moment isn't too sophisticated.
I'd try to dig it up for you otherwise. But I recommend searching for the clip, it was quite beautiful.
PRop!
Sear...ching?
Wow, a weirdly lazy impulse on my part. I think I forgot that Google existed for a second. Forgive me Google, forgive me.
Hopefully this is it.
Alan Moore Tribute to RAW
Part II
READ THE BOOK
I was very surprised to see this show up on RS. I read Watchmen a few years back and it remains one of my favorite novels. Alan Moore is an uncompromising artist, and his masterwork shows great depth and very complex themes. The basic psychological profile of a regular person who chose to become a masked vigilante could easily be interpreted as an analogue to the kind of disillusioned, conscious activist that we need more of today. Aspiring to be more than a typical flesh and bone human is a very relevant theme in the book, and the character archetypes are remarkably accessible.
Dr Manhattan, once a young scientist without a functional sense of self, becomes the all-powerful blue deus ex machina that defines the politcal landscape in Moore's alternate history. He shows a complete separation from the conventional sense of reality after experiencing universal oneness and choosing to reform himself as he saw fit. The universe bends to his will, and he begins to see human affairs as trivial and meaningless. Rorschach is the uncompromising paleoconservative-type survivalist, who believes that good and evil exist in absolutes, and that evil must be punished regardless of the cost to himself or the world. The Comedian sees the modern world as a joke, and takes every secret government position available in search of the overall punchline. His overtly sociopathic behavior earns him an early grave after he gets in on one joke too many. Ozymandias is a pure human will to power, evoking classic occult imagery with his golden costume and affluent decorations after cashing in on his title as "the smartest man in the world".
I'm a little annoyed that so many of you seem to write it off as a kid's book with patriotic sentiment before even bothering to look it up or read it. Ignore the movie, it's directed by the same imbecile who coughed up "300". The graphic novel is a good read for anyone that needs a distraction with formidable meaning.
maybe a graphic novel book on tape...
The Grief of Adaptation
Watchmen is a seminal work that is still an amazing read today. The movie has spurred a huge upswell in sales of the novel, which means many people outside of comics enthusiasts like myself are being introduced to Moore's genius. That is a very good thing, culturally, and so I'm happy the movie was finally made.
However, that may be the only positive thing to come out of it. Terry Gilliam, who endeavored to adapt Watchmen, termed it "unfilmable" and I'm inclined to agree with him. The book has this amazing intimacy, depth and scope to it - to me, these are its prime virtues, not the characters necessarily, or the story even, though these are excellent as well. I don't believe that which I love about it will - can - be replicated in a feature-length movie. It's just not enough time to spend with these people and events. We are living in a golden age of mature, sophisticated episodic television - why oh why could that not have been the melieu for this masterpiece?
After recently releasing my vitriolic skepticism that this upcoming rendition would be anything other than a profound disappointment, I was reminded by my comic-book author friend that of course it won't be like the novel because it's a completely different medium. That, if in fact it is a failure, it won't be because it isn't faithful to the book but because it doesn't embrace the reality that it can't be that comic-book on screen. It will be its own thing. It will be a movie.
My friend is right, of course, though the truth is that for long-time fans of the graphic novel, we have this two-faced thing with this particular work. On one hand we've been itching, dying and praying for a motion picture version of Watchmen since we got our grubby little hands on it. On the other, we suspect, perhaps know, that the very thing that we hope to experience either cannot be achieved on film or is so hard to create in a satisfying way as to be functionally impossible.
That being said, I find myself making an effort to forgo my cynicism and accept that adaptations like this have to be taken, by perforce, on their own terms.
That being said, I still think it's going to be sucky.
That being said, I really hope it won't be.
Who watches the watchers watching the Watchmen?
It just occurred to me that this fractal can go on forever!
With relief, with humiliation, with terror, he understood that he too was a mere appearance, dreamt by another. - Jorge Luis Borges, The Circular Ruins
Why must great thoughts be turned to film?
The Invisibles
Propaganda Anonymous
I hear ya sati.
Unlike Moore, I do think some great adaptations have and can be made. You might disagree with me, but 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy was amazing and inspiring.
'The Invisibles' is prolly my most favorite comic ever, and if it was handled correctly, I would love to see it as a movie or as Martin suggested about The Watchmen, an awesome Show.
Just wishful thinking is all. Some lighthearted conjecture.
You know...
I think I could wear a sweater if Grant Morrison directed, wrote the screenplay, and played KM himself... :)
Have I mentioned that I Mr. Morrison is my 2nd favorite person in the world?
Love
Very Nice!
Overcast!
I am so glad.
Now, there is a lot more where that came from--Promethea, mentioned above and elsewhere is strong work--with a Walk Through The Tarot that is one of the greatest acheivements in comic history (and the final issue fold out--good lord!), but I think you will get more out of From Hell.
From Hell is Moore's retelling/exploration of Jack the Ripper (think Stone's JFK, but a lot more acedemic)--I have been arguing a lot lately that it is Moore's best work. I loose most of these arguments to people who have read Watchman, by the way.Thanks, David S
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