Into the Green Underworld (Part 1 of 2)

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Most of my adulthood, I have been irritated with ungrounded, yet hugely gifted creative people who have shown me the value of healthy skepticism. I have always been empathic myself, and my ability to "see things" has been developed and tempered with testing and observing repeatable results using methods requiring considerable practice through spiritual exercises. I had a good reason to develop my senses, my work as a healer required it to be effective. I began to notice "other things" on clients or friends as my work progressed.

Although I had never smoked marijuana myself, I noticed that the partaker of this plant became susceptible to the influences of foreign entities. I saw them in people's auras as "smoky wisps" and was greatly disturbed by their presence. Once a person began to smoke, I would see in clear plain sight a smoky wispy 'mirage' on the shoulders of the people while they were smoking. Empathically it had a presence, I could feel something there. Out of love, great respect, curiosity -- and concern for my friends, I decided to investigate further to understand the true nature of these beings and be able then to be in a position to inform my friends and myself. If they were good influences, I would find out. (Maybe they were just foreign to me and I didn't understand them.) If they were detrimental, I chose to protect my friends by at least giving them information to make a more informed choice about their use of marijuana. I have never felt drawn to marijuana, this felt like a sacrifice. I asked myself, "Who else if not me could do this or could give me a satisfactory answer?" Ultimately, it was this decision to help my friends and find the truth of the nature of these smoky wisp spirits that led me into the green underworld.

Prior to that very intentional journey one night in May of 2005, that was mostly what I saw: an expression of wide-lipped satisfaction, a vacant emotionally numb demeanor and a sense of lowered extrasensory perception and mental clarity. Often (almost always -- 99.9 %) I have seen signs of the weakening of the will of those who use it. And in about 85% of overall cases, I have seen the worst side of its use (which has more to do with the user than the plant or its spirit in my opinion) and this is the sickening fiendish dependency on it to maintain balance. The users cannot stay somewhere if there is not a fresh supply of it. They may not leave home for fear that they may run out of it and become "stranded" without their crutch. They may begin speaking urgently and with a rationalizing hypocrisy always in defense of their "fun" addiction. But this is not really just a physical addiction in the works. It is far more complex.

My concern for my friends' wellbeing and distress at the unknown nature of these wispy visions had focused my will and preparatory psychic protection ritual to a razor-sharpness; I had a lot of emotional intensity behind my will to see the truth about these plant spirits. We all sat in a circle, and the last words I heard before my first taste of this medicine was, "Be really present." Then with a nod and a gesture my journey began.

During the experience of being high, which accelerated from 9pm-ish to a 3am peak, I was aware of very little. I noticed that most of my psychic abilities were diminished or absent altogether. I felt "fogged" -- hazy, sort of disconnected, but grounded to the Earth. Mental and emotional function was altered. Fortunately, before partaking I called upon my spirit animal allies who were not easily "fogged." Later on, they relayed to me what happened

During the trip I did experience 'being' this alien plant thing. I was aware that I was allowing a being to inhabit my body, but I was not allowing it to have control over my command identity center; I wanted to deepen my shamanic awareness. I was channeling it, and it was a very old, scarily-wise plant being that was actually feeling out the parameters of my body and seeing if it could move my fingers etc. It was consensual and I was OK with it in the moment, but it was just so different from any other plant spirit I have ever met before. It was so adamant and forceful in expressing its desires! It had a weird scarily-powerful magnetic conductive feeling to it that reminds me of gemstones only with more of an agenda.

I noticed less pain in my body and that I didn't care so much if other people were angry or happy or distressed; I figured that this was their problem and was too much trouble to be bothered with. My girlfriend became angry with me because I wasn't being sensitive or present. I thought that this was hilarious at the time because I was quite silly.

 

2. Little Green Men

My spirit animal allies, who were not "fogged," told me later what happened, they showed it to me in pictures and feelings like a movie. I was awake, sitting upright, after the buzz had finally worn off and my subtle senses returned, and in a mild trance, watching the movie with my eyes open. In this mild trance state, I felt the presence of my spirit animals pressing in upon my thoughts gently but firmly indicating urgency and care. I accepted the "chat" and soon was flooded with images and impressions. I watched the images and felt impressions that appeared before me with full 5 senses. I then captured these by writing. Writing it down seems to intensify the clarity for me. It makes it more kinesthetic and less thought-oriented, similar to automatic writing. With this outlet of auto writing I felt I had an adequate outlet to channel the information from the trance state. I could freely move backward and forward in the story to gather more information and write it down as long as my trance state was connected to the source of the information. In this case the source was an inner aspect of me connected to my spirit animals Raven and Wolf, making use of their senses. This is what was revealed about these beings I had perceived previously as "smoky wisps":

I was observing myself (or rather I was viewing what Raven and Wolf had seen of me interacting with the beings). Somehow through the smoke around me, I was participating in something with them.

They are green beings roughly one foot to a foot and a half high with lamp-like yellow eyes. They stand on the shoulders and suck out emotions, memories, thoughts, will and (as though conducting a bank transaction) they deftly replace these things with thick oily-grey fog.

This transaction happens through contact of their mouths to the top of the head or through the ears and temples. When the transaction is done, they stand on one foot and jump from the shoulder causing their little green bodies to spiral for a moment then the body seems to vanish into the smoke and then a bolt of electrical light, as if they are somehow being transmuted into smoke and travel electrically through the smoke to other linked smoke highways throughout the world. They look humanoid in the rough sense. Two arms, two legs one head, two eyes and so on. However there is a feeling about them; they are decidedly more organized and of a culture that is very different from the ones I am familiar with humans being a part of. What else can I say about their appearance? Even though they were so short, they were fairly proportional. They were sort of like stretched-out versions of Yoda, only they felt nothing like Yoda, and they were kinda leafy looking and felt really intense, the eyes were rather haunting and bright yellow and glowed like a nocturnal animal's eyes glow.

I still saw myself from the observer position, and while I was watching, two or three of them they kept vanishing into smoke so that no more than two or three were on me at a time. It is possible that there were many more than two or three actually making the transactions, blowing fog into my head.

I (or Raven and I) somehow followed one of them along the smoke highway...

 

3. "Into the Green Underworld"

I was no longer in the world as I know it! It looked familiar enough though; I have done lots of dream work and soul travel exercises and I could tell that I was somewhere in the mid-lower astral plane. The laws of physics were somewhat different here, as is usual with any higher frequency dimension. I must be where these beings come from! The setting was round green hills and what looked like a distorted astral Shinto shrine! On closer inspection, the Shrine was a large Pi symbol shape similar to actual Shinto shrines, but it also had little spiraling parts that were somehow apropos. The shrine was also not made of wood, it was made of light and it glowed and hummed and had a bright red tinge that showed up on the edges of the shrine. Mostly it was white light. As I got closer to it, I saw the beings blowing thought-forms and emotions into the shrine. Or more accurately, as they got closer to it, the shrine would suck the thought-forms and emotions into itself like a big light-magnet.

As to the mood, it seemed very tense, these beings were clearly banded together for some purpose and they were not messing around either. They were very tightly knit, very sharp, everyone knew their place and their task and they were fully on it with zealous fervor.

I then saw that these beings had a caste-like system -- a hierarchy. Some of the beings were collectors and others were specialists, and one was a shrine keeper, and then there were also shrine guardians (who weren't any bigger, like bouncers, but just seemed really nasty and powerful). It oddly reminded me of a Mafia kind of social structure only somewhat Japanese and of course non-human and in the Astral Plane. The shrines were clearly nexus points and this was but one of many -- how many I wasn't sure.

These beings were clearly very connected; they were like rich smooth green gangster Yakuzas with built-in telepa-phones and astral martial arts skills. Then I saw I was approaching one of the hills and the Green shifted to mostly white as I approached it. This was the astral body of the plant being and it looked almost nothing like its physical form. The hills had millions of these plants as far as the eye could see. They were roughly the same size and shape as the physical plant but they were not really plants at all; they were plant-shaped crystals here! Wild! They were pulsing together like a set of Broadway lights that blink in succession to give the appearance of motion. It was like they were communicating. The other thing I noticed was that there were colors moving in the plants -- emotions! It looked like a Kirlian photograph.

 

4. "Underworld Workings"

Suddenly it dawned on me: these plants were transmitters! Wait, more than that! There must be crystals in the physical plant that act as multidimensional Gateways for these beings! Resins, Of course! There are crystals!

Firstly, the way that they must work is that when you inhale smoke, the plant crystals (resins) are in an excited state, i.e., activated by fire. Burning Crystal Smoke becomes a conductive medium similar to the way that if you squeeze a crystal you can get a spark of electricity (Piezo-electric effect). Imagine thousands of tiny crystals bursting into flames at once. If that doesn't create a portal or intense effect on the space around it, I don't know what does.

A second part of the workings is that once the resin crystals become connected to the host's body (activated by fire or not) they can transmit gifts and influence from their world. Once in the body these specialized crystals transmit the Plant's physical signal anchoring in influence from the plant and the shrine network directly. Then it becomes easier for the people of the leaf to make their shrewd deals and transactions.

(In other words, once the crystals are activated by fire, the smoke is a portal for transit and information. A little green men transporter device! Once the resin is in the body, the physical plant spirit itself also begins to influence the imbiber.)

Once there is enough smoke or "fire-activated crystal medium," The Little Green people can then hold an intention and do that jumping twisty-leap thing and "spiral out" to accelerate through the medium in their astral bodies to the proper location in the astral plane and deposit their merchandise into the light shrine.

The intention is like a course heading. They imagine where they want to go, and to raise their vibration slightly they jump upwards in a spiral then -- poof -- their astral body changes into an electrical state, and then they are conducted to where they intended along the "smoke highway."

Of course! How could I have missed that! My mind was reeling! I know from working on clients doing energy work and shamanic healing that various entities are always trying to find a way to affect the physical world. This is how these entities do it -- through growing special transmitter crystals that are designed to interact with the human brain in a way that could influence our behavior! Every Shaman knows that one of the biggest priorities for any non-physical being is to find a way into the physical dimension or to somehow influence it through us! And Every Shaman also knows that crystals are multidimensional transmitters!

This has really profound and disturbing implications! I believe that many people's actions are being nudged by, if not strongly influenced by, the beings of this green underworld. Perhaps unknowingly they regularly trade their feelings and thoughts and much of their will and directive for the "blessing" of emotional /mental numbness and the psychic connection to others who have crystal implant "cell-phones" from the same plant, same frequency! (Same bud, plant or crop resonance.) Further benefits are subconscious connection to the information-thoughts and feelings of every being on that shrine network. The light shrines are all on power points in the astral world that connect together like a ley line grid in the physical Earth frequency.

Since humans are mobile, this means that you could take one bud from this plant from Seattle, break it in half, and give one part of it to your friend who will stay here in Seattle while you are going to Australia, then say you both make an agreement to light up at the same time, let's say on the full moon for instance. You both imbibe a fresh supply of crystals from the same bud, thereby refreshing the portal to the green underworld network in Seattle and instantly somehow "just know" how people in Sea-town are feeling and what they are thinking and generally what is going on! Also you would have a particularly strong connection to the person who has the other half, or any bud from the same plant or crop. How convenient? How seductive? I wondered what the real cost was, and if it is just disturbing because I am new to this or if there is a more positive way to use this as a medicine!

Their ultimate agenda as beings is really mysterious to me. So I did some further investigating and found that they view humans in classes also. After making my own careful observations and interpretations thus far, I wanted to talk to someone who could really explain what I was seeing and feeling. I used my Higher Self and chose my Raven Ally specifically to make contact with one of these beings, it was a powerful enough intention to have worked it seems, because we were shortly greeted by a representative of the little green men.

 

5. "A Green Historian Explains"

This one seemed older, and in translation its title was 'historian' but also had a connotation of being something of a diplomat. It didn't flap jaws at me to speak. Instead it began downloading into my third eye (in a crystalline fashion) from its third eye in telepathic language. This communication experience for me is sort of like watching a movie projector only it is interactive. I could also control how opaque or transparent the projected image is overlaying the astral landscape around us. So again, this isn't in words but in impressions and feelings that I still have to interpret, but at least these are guided impressions from a seemingly knowledgeable being. The historian began explaining about the classes system that I had observed.

From the impressions he sent me, I could determine 4 levels of class.

At the low end we have basically:

A) "Dumb Food": These are weak-willed imbibers who use without intention or awareness. They have very little respect for humans who fall into this category, and they therefore give the least number of benefits to them. These are partier/recreational users who they consider to be so dumb that they don't even need to be duped to be taken advantage of; their thoughts, will and emotions are easily robbed from them because they themselves do not value these possessions.

B) "Slow Food": These are meager-willed but intentional imbibers who seek awareness consciously along with numbness subconsciously. They cannot just be taken for a ride because they at least value their will somewhat and therefore are more protected by Multidimensional Karmic Law.

(In other words, "the people" have laws and codes called "The Law of Balances. This form of law is based on doing all that they agree to by contract and treating people according to the measure of their own character based on how well they keep their word and follow through on their contracts and agreements. This includes how well the person is living in accordance with their own personal will. This means living in alignment with their own personal conscience and true desires. While the people of the leaf are not bound to always obey the law, it may be enforced by other beings that guard the gates. And so these beings often make agreements with slow food people that they are not bound to, because it is less enforceable according to their law. I.e., your honor, this human never does what he says he will, how can you keep me bound in contract to him? He cannot hold covenant...)

The Slow Food types require more fogging than the first group, but can be mostly placated and deluded with lesser gifts and less of them. They are most often kept in the dark with their own rationalizing hypocrisy due to somewhat addictive, vain or apathetic personality traits. Many people who think they are higher on the respect list than this fall into this category .

C) "Providers": These types are distributors of their precious crystalline portals, known to you and me as dealers/ growers. They have some respect for some humans in this group as long as they get the job done. To these people (though there is a large range of respect within this category) they tend to bestow more gifts. There are so many gifts that may be given that can aid a provider to have the best tools available for getting that job done. The beings often try to recruit humans whom they feel will be good providers, and they have a whole set of criteria that includes: Charisma/magnetism, value of self and money, highly social with more contacts, shrewdness, loyalty to the cause, and a hierarchical belief structure. These criteria also reflect their own somewhat feudal belief structure. Providers are often given the "whispering wisdom" that tells them valuable Intel on if their plants are in trouble. They also gain a more active telepathic link with the plants. They tell the providers what they need to know to take care of the plants and they often even induct them into their plant spirit religion and its history.

Remember these beings are businesslike! They look to fill specific positions in their "provider network" those with the most ability and drive are at the top of their provider network and have the most abilities and beings assigned to them to transmit those abilities. This is because they are the ones most crucial to ensuring that more people get fresh crystals. Also unconsciously there is a feudal obedience system that occurs from dependant to supplier. So one of the big perks here is having servants who don't even realize that they are serving you or how much.

On top of that, to this group they offer what they value most: MOE!

Medium Of Exchange. This is better than money, or broader than money. In their own world they are like merchants that trade primarily in Emotions and Thoughts and Will. With these powerful ingredients, opportunities for these creatures are created. Perhaps they sell the emotions to aliens or other beings who don't have them or maybe they use the will to power magical devices. Along my dream travels I have come to believe it is probable that there are a whole host of beings that would pay dearly in one way or another for human feelings. Of course, the more obvious use of will is to empower their cause by imparting will to providers and to themselves.

In this world the providers are given lots of cash for crystal plants, but they are also given some MOE. (Yes, this is why not all imbibers are completely lifeless and apathetic and why some seem all supercharged, they may be eating the willpower of others. Hmmm.)

D) "Shamans": These imbibers have a high degree of valuing of the will and self-directive and are intimately connected to their own palette of purpose. They use only when needed and always for a specific purpose. There is also always a larger degree of sophistication in the understanding of the plant spirit world and the nature of what exactly is being exchanged for what. This group is the most difficult to fog, because they are not limited to the confines of their body. In addition, the true Shaman is aware of any dependant or addictive tendencies in him/herself and its nature, and consciously chooses to act only from the will and in connection with the Higher Self & Great Spirit. A Shaman most often will require guides and/or animal allies to protect themselves from being steered away from his/ her/ its true purpose. (That would weaken the will and create vulnerability to influence.)

The negative ego is used against all four classes to create opportunities for influence. The last really powerful imbibing shaman in America, according to this download from the green historian, was named "White Bear," and seems to be one of the last few humans on this continent that these beings had true respect for.

Note: there is a sub-class here: The Wounded Shaman who has aspects of several groups and often varies in treatment somewhat by these beings, but never with the respect of a true Shaman. Often they are allowed to play with a few gifts and develop them to a high degree, but they are also influenced and sometimes duped. These people don't read the fine print and really dig deep and make sure that they understand the contract between parties or haven't developed the will enough.

 

Image by austins_irish_pirate, courtesy of Creative Commons license.

 

Comments

what about creative energy?

I'm having a hard time processing this one, because I am trying to figure in the fact that for many, MJ induces great focus, stronger will, and creative prowess that seems to come out of one's own agency.

 

I guess that the malevolent interpretation just turned me off a bit, but at the same time the crystalline argument is very sound from a new-age holistic perspective. Especially with folks who have a hard time focusing or get frustrated in the short term with projects, MJ can bring a hyper-focus into a project that gets it done beautifully, inspired in such a way that there MUST be something going on on the astral plane.

 

Often, artists feel they are channeling their art with MJ. Still, it seems that the author's predispositions about users and the plant greatly influence his "visions" or whatever. For others, it certainly does the opposite (ie: numbing effect). Then again, for me, it makes me think through my feelings and subconscious ailments rather than avoid them, because things come to the surface if you let them, but they will vanish if you let them too. In other words, MJ cools my normally hyperactive mind down just enough to process potentially disturbing realities in a more zen-like fashion. Perhaps this is where moderation comes in---too much will make you just say---screw it.

 

So, does that make me a shaman? I don't think I'm quite there, and I think that a hierarchy is pretty pretentious in this case, unless you're just going to break it down by saying that there are people who use the plant to shut down, and there are others who use it with intent to create and solve problems. I find that I'm so effective working with folks who aren't under the influence when I am blazed, the co-creative process skyrockets often as if one of us is tapping into the mind of the potential audience and connecting the dots so that the other can do the leg-work of figuring out how we reach them.

 

Perhaps this is where the green beings' energy shifts. Maybe they are sucking energy from the idle to benefit the creative process. Or maybe they are just tricksters. I lean toward the former, though I know lots of "stoners" who don't get a damn thing out of the experience, because they never pause to reflect, they just keep smoking and smoking continuously. personally, i like to smoke some and then get out and experience things with a profound mindfulness.

 

So, in the end, I would argue that MJ can induce MINDFULNESS OR MINDLESSNESS depending on how one approaches it, and more importantly what strain you're working with---you really need to address this, especially the Indica/Sativa distinction. I've noticed that people in So-Cal are getting really into the KUSH, which seems to do what you are describing, however my experience is more in Sativas, which create the effects I've described. Don't lump it all into one category.

 

Anyway, extremely interesting article that I'm sure will foster an intense discussion from lots of people who think we know more than you about our favorite plant to burn (though I recommend vaporizing.)

 

peace and blessings,

wanderlust

 

Focus

About focus, most people (though not all) who I have observed who gain focus from the plant are "providers".  (Growers dealers or big sharers of the plant). I encourage you to check out part 2 in detail regarding whether I think they are malevolent.  I agree that strain does matter a little.  I conducted some experiments with different strains until I had tried all available methods.  I don't really feel they are malevolent. However that may not matter or mean that they are really "good" either.  I am not really sure that they are a good tool in a time where the realtionship between humans and these beings is so out of balance.  I cannot say for sure what it is for all of humanity. I can share from my experience and encourage more respect and conscious awareness.  I may share more information about specifics on how to work with these spirits if people find it useful.

The way I see it so far is that the creativity thing is a "gift" of the plant.  Gifts are usually given to somewhat strong willed folk.  It's like the Jedi Mind trick. If you have a strong will it is harder to dupe you or trade you lame gifts.  Peoples gifts are better if the person never lies, keeps their word, is strong willed and provides for the Leafy ones in the network.  Greater creativity can happen just with more access to astral energy which is more refined than physical energy and more creative too. And, I believe we all have access to this energy within us without having to trade anything for it.

 

Blessings!

Many thanks

A very insightful article. do you have any suggestions for one who would be looking to untangle one's self from these contracts?One would imagine that some major intentioning, clear statement of intent, energy work and meditation might help.As well, of course, refraining from imbibing the plant.Thanks again.

Untangling From Contracts

I will do my best to address your sincere request. I am not yet aware of the contracts you made, and so that makes it difficult to advise you. 

When I was referring to contracts I was referring to the contracts that are specifically opened up to when the People of the Leaf are brought into awareness with the "intent to imbibe" while in the proximity of the herb or someone with active crystals in their body. If my experience is acurate for other humans, then perhaps during that time you may have been evaluated and then classified according to your level of respect and your ability to "Keep Covenant" looked at with great scrutiny and speed.   At that time you may have consciously- or from a higher aspect of self- negotiated and vouched for your Covenant-keeping- ability and or your rights as a human to own your own Will and other intellectual or emotional properties.

Depending on how good you are with your word, your lineage and your negotiating skill and speed you may have access to varying levels of contracts. Yes, there are many kinds and levels of contracts. 

My understanding is that once you let go of your rights to a piece of property it is sold and sales are final. Certain things cannot be sold and certain protections are in place to prevent them taking everything.  These are somewhat layed out in their "Law of Balances".  They cannot take more than they give.  And this must be traded at intentional value.  So if you trade something that is a very tasty and valuable emotional experience it has a predetermined green market value that is moderated in worth based on the intention of the jury summoned to assess your covenancy. In other words their is a generally understood market value with determines most of the value of your goods and then their is also the evaluating group whose individual preferences also influence the value of your goods. Let's say that they don't value it as much as is held on the Green Market Value.  This depreciates the value of your emotional experience somewhat which gives you a lower trading value.  On your side, you are welcome to have a team of beings to evaluate their gifts, or you can just represent yourself.  I don't recommend self representation, because their side is really fast and experienced and is interested in getting what they want. Fortunately they can only fit so much fog in a human head at once or they could take more emotions and will in exchange for it.  Their may be another higher aspect of self who has a copy of your experience if it has been taken from you. I am not sure if this is the case or if this is why you wish to untangle your contracts.

 

If it is just that you- or someone else-wish to be separate from the People of the leaf due to addiction. That may depend on if you went into any specific contracts with them or  if you have suitable replacements for the purposes and benefits that were served by the Pot.  Perhaps choosing an intent to replace the old one with. As in: I choose to experience: clarity of mind & serenity of heart. I choose to expand into deeper self-knowing and foundation.

Physical outlets are great too, like Yoga or weight training when letting go of an addiction or old contract.   If you are compulsive or "go too far" with things. then focus your intent on being wise healthy and moderate.

Halllucinnating on a Euphoriant

Cannabis Sativa/Indica is classified as a Euphoriant ... not a Hallucinagen.

Ones own brain chenistry/karma determines the aestetics/premise of any visionary state If ones shaminical path is "animal spirit" based ... how is this not the influencing factor on this so called mythological self-perpetuated vision.

Not everyone who takes DMT sees 'Machine elves, and or their importance {T. Mckenna} Not everyone who takes LSD sees flourescent/astral colors etc etc

All true Entheogenic substances have a purging/penance-like aspect ... undertaken at the beginning of the experiences ... from mild to modtate paranoia ... to puking .. to freaking.

This is never the spirit of the plant that "causes" this ... but merely the inner confrontation with being "out of sync" with the prsent potential.

In the case of something very powerful ... like peyote ... many people puke extensively and do not feel good ... until purged of inner misgivings. Yet it is know by indigenous shamans that this does not take place in those "pure of heart"

If one is not ready or truely willing then so called plant spirits will show you the drream you can handle .. not necessarily the true and/or full potential ... there is no such thing as an Entheogenic experience that is not subjective. {whether actual shaman or dunce}

This is why proper setting and mood are always cautuioned by promoters of the Entheogenic experience.

Also, oblivious to many, is the senseitivity of ritual {not necessarily mechanistic, or deterministic} of partaking in "sacrament"

In modern times so many substances are "extracts" ... or chemical deivitives ... what to speak of actually lighting a fire to "burn" this already photosynthetic plant.

In the new and very appropriate-for the-age Raw Food movement ... this burrning any substance above 115 {acute} to 145 {chronic}degrees ...whether for food, medicine or entheogen .. immediately begins to compromise it's life giving structure. The Mystic "Essenes" of the pre-Jesus time period lived exclusively according to this principle, {Jesus, Mary and Joseph as said to have been of this tradition} as did Paramahansa Yogis in ancient Vedic Times. {Sannyasis are forbidden to light fire}

Fire is said to be for those who cannot bear their own tolerance {tapa-sanskrit} One could take a bud of Cannabis Sativa ... place in a little butter or oil ... simple leave outside to catch sun ... this is likely sufficient to mediate a more friendly exchange. {low burner on stove etc}

 Close to human body temperature 96.8 and a little higher like a very hot summer day 108 degrees ... well this is all that is "given" by nature {up to the chronic 145 degree of extreme .. not tolerable compromise} to afford true synergistic relatioinship to all raw substance ... otherwise one is taking more than they are getting

Almost all so-called psychological addiction, and/or short term memory loss are caused by burning/smoking this cannabis stuff ... paranoia ... same thing ... too much is going to brain via lungs.

When taken orally ... more synergistic ... more time released ... however even many medicinal users of oral cannabis feel thry have to cook to around 350 degrees ... bakinbg etc.

The higher degree of burning ... the less holistic synergy with the overall substance ... with our own temperature moderated biology.

One can so-called scientifically verify this with simple kirlian/aura photography. Ones energy fields dimishing when taking "cooked" substances. No other species cooks their food ... even meat is always eaten raw.

 Just like drinking water too close before or after meals can dilute ones natural ability to secrete liquifying enzymes ... well ones inner fire of digestion will dilute if food is alredy cooked, or broken down ... medicine ... entheogens ... same principle ... less penance .. less tolerance ... more and more spoiled.

 Which naturally leads to how we act in relation to our environments ... ability to tolerate weather ... the hotter the shower ... the colder one feels the ex;osure afterwards

 This simple principle complexes into every psyhology know.  Modern conveinice the result of this pathology

As body mind and soul are "quantumly connected" well one can follow the natural arguments along such lines into more subtle avenues of discussion.

From industrialization to nuclear fire ... all has the same basic consequential effect on body mind and soul ... the more spoiled ... the more fire needed.

 Then of course there is the infamous "recreational use argument" if you need to feed some re-creational sense than this literally would mean "not satisfied with present creation"

Again, this is why setting and mood are so important ... not to escape/re-create ... but tune into deeper and deeper levels of already existing infinite creation {Tao}

 

Hallucintatins are creating what is not already there ...

Entheogenic vision is seeing transcendental to what is apparently there ... the latter is the proof of sythesis ... and the former is lack of {antithesis}

 These substances ... just like food and medicine, will always be as serious as they are fun ... confusing as intriguing.

Back to the old "Tree of Life ... Tree of Knowledge" argument ... are we biting of the fruit of all experience {holistic/holy/whole ... or are we biting of the fruit of each and every {separation/judgment/sin

All else aside there is virtually not one substance of any kind that does not to varying degrees synthesize uniquely ... not only with each individual ... but each time and circumstance as well

Science will try to standardize one way ... Mythology will try to contain another way ...

Yet each remians unto each regardless ...

According to modern Quantum/Astro Physic thought ... every possible aspect of manifestation subtle or gross ... astral of physical ... has unique and individualized "relatiinship" going on with it's Zero Point Field State {Spirit} of pre and post manifest poential {eye of hurricane}

Even with less philosophic substances like cocaine and opium ... the less powerful the extraction ... the less harmful the consequence.

To make a paste out of cocaine leaves, like the indigenous people do ... gives a natural adrenaline synergy ... able to trek high altitude Andes mountain exertions ... not addictive when used in its natural climate among it's natural people .

Look at the infamous LSD ... evetyone knows that it is a mold that grows on rye ... yet who has taken it in this natural form ... where do bad trips really come from ... but our own misuse and neglect at some level or other ... within ourselves ... or in relation to the overall spirit of the food-medicine-entheogen.

Soon as we get into things like Ecstacy that are designer from scratch ... well just like genetic manipultion ... or atom smashing ... the game is over from this point on ... it is all just a question of degree The more we sci-fi our relationship to all such substances the further from our inherent hierloom wisdom ... we have gone ...

From Cyborg mutt to organic hippy ... the choice is yours and yours alone

These other substances having a quantum life all their own

Our bodies do not feel hot

Our bodies do not feel hot or cold, there is no sense in the body for this. the body can only feel the rate of heat transfer (i.e your hot shower example of it feeling colder once you step out because now the heat from the warm shower that went into your body is now leaving it, going into the environment, at a fast rate so it feels colder than it really it)

The way cannabis burns, tastes, and the way it effects a human is so complex that it seems it was almost meant to happen and that we're suppose to smoke it. you woudn't smoke a turd because it doesn't burn and has no effects and smells bad. the cannabis plant evolved all of its characteristics to form a symbioses with humans and guide us on our journey through the cosmos.

I'm interested in understanding The Media Source not the Media

Let it be known that I am very clear on the subjective nature of reality and filters etc. I continue to understand this.  And where there is no repeatable observation, all things being equal, it might be wise to choose the simplest and most obvious conclusion that it may be a fantasy or BS.  What I have noticed however is that their is repeatable observation and an emerging set of principles that the visionary media is revealing which are useful to understand and build upon- a framework of verifiable observations! I choose to become clearer through this process on the nature of the source of this visionary media.  Maybe the beings are metaphors, maybe not, what matters to me is what is the nature of the plant medicine which is interacting with the imbiber.  People often argue that you cannot know a thing except in relation to yourself even in "ordinary reality".   If their was no commonality to Pot their would not be an agreement upon many of it's possible effects.  What I would propose is that if I know myself well enough I can be aware of what is actively a part of me from the point of view of the "observational field" in which I am observing it.  I can also then subtract myself from the equation and measure what is left.

This isn't much more complex than zeroing out the scales at the grocery store to account for the weight of the basket. If I don't know myself well, it may indeed be impossible to know what is me and what is not. It is not perfect, but I am not interested in the dead end wild goose chase of "perfect".  I am interested in what works and works better than our understanding yesterday. Something new may emerge tomorrow that disproves today-so what? That will be useful too.

This zeroing out of the scales has been a practice of mine for over a decade using gemstones and teaching Gemstone Energy Medicine. People do not feel gemstones they feel the dynamic realtionship between themselves and gemstones. Unless they become so aware kinesthetically-or other wise- of the space they occupy and the energies they are composed of that they can mentally subtract all that noise from the equation. Then they can measure the effects of the gem itself. This becomes more accurate if they can also witness others doing this too. 

The truth about having filters is obvious to me at this point and the danger of misconstruing information due to them or projection or subconscious content coloring the data -all this is boringly familiar. 

What I am excited about is perservering beyond the filters and BS to what is repeatable, verifiable and useful as the witnessing becomes more accurate. 

Just like I have witnessed thousands of times that their are repeatable and verifyable visions that show up in the aura that others with similar or even different visual training can see.  Same colors same structures etc. I also have had dreams and visions which were shared with the same basic information.  The principles behind the information are what stay the same the most.  And of course, different people can walk into a room and remember totally different things when they walk out. Being in a trend of rampant individuation isolated in a oasis of solitary realization is oldschool to me. We all may require moments to go within, and I see vision-sharing like the Aborigine use on the return of the pendulum swing. shared experiences, right brain dominance, indigos, a group trance-dance state, co-working, open source culture- all of this is a sign of the emerging consciousness. Where we used to dream alone now our worlds that have been divided are unifying again. If it was all about the imbiber, why use the plant and not a mirror. Like all herbs despite human filters it has a certain range of effects physically and spiritually. deepening understanding of the herbs effects and consciously making choices may offer new options and potentials for the imbibers or inform them further on whether or not it is for them.

O rly?

This may have occurred in some other frequency of reality but to me its seems the the green leaf had ignited your imagination and creativity, giving you the ability to craft this tale of little green leafy men. Don't let your imagination explain what is happening and keep you from enjoying a good thing. Like wanderlust said above me, MJ has given me a stronger will and has made me more in touch with my emotions, and allows me to see what behaviors I do are self destructive, giving me a clearer focus. the author says MJ gives you a "vacant emotionally numb demeanor and a sense of lowered extrasensory perception and mental clarity." Maybe I fall into that .01% the author mentions that experiences its different effects. The plant has even given me the ability to recognize the voice of my own thoughts in my head and when they are being influenced by subtle outside forces. then again i partake of the herb enough this could be the little green men telling this to you and my free will is thoroughly compromised, but most likely i feel this is not the case and this kind of writing would let the blatant misinformation of the wonderful healing plant to continue. Its suggesting that if you choose to partake of it that somehow your free-will is diminished so the users can't be listened to or reasoned with and anything they say is wrong because they are not thinking clearly. all of this is complete bullshit. the world still needs to open it's heart to love the path to the door is a green one, full of mushroomed shaped trichromes.

Strength of Will

I do not have any judgment on you specifically and your strength of will.  I certainly am willing to listen to you as well as respond it is a wonderful plant. I just had a yummy drink with hemp protein powder in it. And I believe that out of the thousand or so people I have had a chance to spend any time around and observe in any detail while imbibing actual cannibis that I have witnessed since 1990 a weakening of the will of varying degrees of those people has been evident even somewhat to them in the very vast majority. They would even tell me this.  It was my introduction to a new crowd of people who I began to see that also used pot around 1999 that I became interested in understanding.  They were different. They were more creative and functional truly beautiful and spiritually gifted in a way I could relate to and amazing people who I easily fell in love with.  I wanted to know why. I also was concerned about their use of pot turning them into more like the others I had observed complaining before. 

This interest eventually led me to decide to partake and deepen my knowledge of the herb in 2004 when I recorded this experience.  This crowd I have found did not use as often. Their were also other practices that they used to raise their energy to a higher level. 

Most of these people no longer smoke at this point. Those who have continued to use who aren't growers or dealers appear to be stagnating.  It turns out that they were and are powerful human beings -enthogenic substances unto themselves and they reached a point of diminishing returns with Pot and it's gifts. I also have noticed that many of these people are telling me that they enjoy life more without this and that they felt like they needed it at the time. Now they have better tools like ritual and a raw food diet, yoga, mantra, universal kabbalah and dozens of other options that allow them to maintain higher states of energy.  This is not my judgment, it is what they told me.  I am still around lots of people who I love and hang out with who smoke pot occasionally. Do I judge them for that? No.  I love who I love.  This is my story and experience. I can only come from my experience. 

Many of my friends who I love dearly use pot and other substances.  So what? It doesn't make them less intelligent or less of who they are.  What I have seen is that in a group of people who are already very good at breaking down barriers to knowledge and other realities who are already comfortable and open to change and already have excellent tools do not benefit as much from pot because it is limited in it's scope of access. I say if the pot is working for you, please continue to use it while it still does anything useful for you. I will not disrespect, villainize or otherwise judge you for it, and I did not feel that way about those I love either.  I do feel I understand it's effects on me and am clear about my choice to be free of it's influence as well as my desire to understand the green gates more fully. My friends get this about me and don't partake when I am around.  They don't feel judged by me because I still show up for them and I care. It takes will to use something controversial and it takes will to not use something.  It takes will to write about this on Reality Sandwich.  My friends do not feel like they are missing their entheogenic experience when I am around. I am an entheogenic experience! I bring it with me.  I embody it -and I can share it -grow it and it lasts a lifetime without Pot or other substances. They can feel it in my touch, in my words, in my presence. My will is invested in the sustainable high. I find that who we are is the real entheogen. Maybe these herbs and fungi can help reveal a piece of this and offer healing. That is great! Good. You are only one of two people I have heard from who claim to use the herb who have an increase in will who are not growers, or distributors unless you are one. Remember, according to the story: growers and distributors receive the will of others and therby receive extra will as well as other gifts that aid them in fullfilling their purposes that align well with those of the People of the leaf. I am not interested in judging or outing people as fogged or under the influence of pot gremlins or stopping them from doing anything that they find good for them.I am interested in deeper understanding. It would be great if it weren't illegal so that the free flow of information could move unimpeded to allow for greater understanding.

What would you do if you saw what I saw- and then had it verified many times from several other sources? What would you do if the information you saw led to practices that actually worked for multiple people in practice with repeatable results? I am already grounded, creative, full of will and shamanic depth, now what? Why would would I choose to use pot?

I don't wish to discourage you in using.  I am choosing to share an experience and  if some find that useful cool, maybe it is useful for some. 

What the author has failed

What the author has failed to illuminate is that they only imbibed one form of cannabis. As the cannabis genome contains a huge number of expressions, it carries with it the ability to affect the mind and emotions in a multitude of ways. If the cannabis the author consumed was of a mostly indica origin then I could see where he felt numbed. I think a mostly sativa strain, with mild psychedelic properties would be a great aid to the shaman. Sativas sharpen the inward focus of the user(primarily), and can have very powerful psychological healing effects. So really I think it all comes down to the quality(or lack there-of) of what you are smoking. As well as it's genetic lineage, how it was grown(indoors or out, organic or chemical. soil or hydro), and the intention of the user.

 

It's vibration left a plume climbing it's way up a blue-blessed curl, which was girdled by aurora of obliging black morel.

Not to offend or sound pompous

When burning cannabis ... 440 degrees I believe ... this complexity you mentioned is actually the degradation of the pure holistic substance THC into over 400 chemical breakdown reactions ... very substantially researched to be carcinogenic

Just like there are negative numbers in math ... there are negative complexities ... in physics this is the ever ongoing transition of matter into anti-matter.

THC itself begins to evaporate at around 340-360 degrees ... and match/fire is all ready 440 or over ... this complexity is degrading ... not enlightening This does not mean one cannot feel acceleration from whatever viability is left ... each unto their own ... but guaranteed ... those who do experience side effects could .. and will gain new perspectives ... and those seasoned in smoking .. may ... just may enjoy a more coherent synergy with the overall substance. No need to get snippy or judgmental ... I know both extremes ... just well researched observation ... consistently valid for anyone who cares to take a look. ...

 If one studies human history all degenerative disease begins when coked food begins to take president over the raw natural foodstuff substantiatiality. This is natural biology ... nothing more. The point about cold water is the same ... yogis only bathe in natural water ... outside temperature year round ... their ability to withstand temperature inconvenience becomes naturally adjusted to what would be called heroic in modern times.

Today if the air conditioner is even 5 degrees off we loose it. Even the original settlers here in America were of so much more constitutional viability in such regards

Raw food Guru Dr Gabriel Cousins has undertaken two hernia operations without anesthetic ... performed 600 push-ups on his 60th birthday ...

 

  ... as a cooked food All-American Collegiate Linebacker in his primal youth could only do 75. So translate this endurance into powerful entheogenic substances and one can follow the logic ... healthy body ... healthy mind ... enlightened soul progression ...

that's why i say

vaporize, vaporize, vaporize!!!

 

wanderlust

 

wounded shaman.

I have smoked bud,, all kinds for a long time. I have always tried to be conscious of what its effects are and how to smoke it in a way that will be beneficial to me. I have always known that my personal will is diminished by over use of MJ. Everyone knows that the first time you smoke after a long break is euphoric. Habitual everyday smoking equals numbness. The reason I keep coming back to the plant is because of the euphoric mindful experiences (gifts). The highest prolonged spiritual state I have ever reached in my life happened during a time of very controlled disciplined, intentional MJ use. (Also, lots of meditation love and prayer.) Although hard to fathom this essay defines in a way what is happening spiritually when you smoke. Though I have never seen little green men, the exchange written about resonates with my experiences.

interesting note,,

I once found a quarter pound of bud in the road,,just after a friend of mine gave me a huge piece of amethyst.

Have you all gone mad???

My respect for RS has decreased considerably for publishing this tripe. I'm all for free speech, but come on, exercise some quality control please! One person’s trip report doesn't equate to anything like fact (or even a well thought out theory at that) even if they are a self declared Shaman! There are plenty of us who smoke only occasionally, getting results quite opposite from those described above. A case of the individuals Set determining the experience perhaps?

Michael I agree with you

Michael I agree with you man to a large degree.  I enjoy the subtlties of astral travel being presented, but it does seem to pass itself off as more than empirical a bit.  Let's see how it goes!

 

 

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Speaking from experiences

While I appreciate this unique view of cannabis use, I caution anyone against taking the author too seriously since he barely knows anything about the plant beyond observing a few friends and through ONE extremely subjective firsthand experience. Usually those best qualified to offer information on a particular subject are those who have multiple, multiple intimate experiences with that which they study.

That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with those in the RS world who know from actually partaking throughout their lives (instead of considering themselves experts after one session) that ritual, mindful use can be constructive and, in many cases, invaluable. It's undeniable that there are countless folks in this world who are caught up and effectively lost through improper use or overuse, but this article totally ignores the inspiration, achievements and happenings throughout human history that can be attributed to sacred communion with one of the trees of knowledge.

If anything, one lesson that can be taken from the author should be applied more broadly to the lives we lead; doing things mindlessly (eating, taking entheogens, even breathing) can be extremely harmful to oneself.

“There's only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self.”

                         ~ Aldous Huxley

I was going to comment on a

I was going to comment on a few inconsistencies and the general absurdity of this article, however, the last two responses were eloquent and well put enough for me to save my response. Though I do have to wholeheartedly agree that this piece would fit in much better at Erowid than RS. Going as far as to say that 99.9% of pot smokers suffer from a "weakened will" is not only presumptuous, but utterly ridiculous (not to mention mathematically incorrect), and mildly offensive, as are terms such as "sickeningly fiendish dependence" when used in reference to pot smokers.  My biggest fear is that there is actually going to be a sequel to this article, and that people will have to squander their time reading it.

 

lively up yourself

Thank heavens for cannabis

any questions here's the real deal www.thecompassionclub.org. Now get your ass north of the border. Spend some time up in British Columbia home of a real cannabis culture and get away from that mexican gangster swag your puffin'. In Canada we consider cannabis medicine.

Thanks for the offer

I love the community of people up north especially in the sunshine coast.  It has occured to me that the way the plant was grown has influenced the way I see the plant and felt the experience of it's keepers.  I would love to hear more about other peoples journeys into the underworld.  Especially positive ones that were not fogged.   I do see the culture there as very different.  I would like to see more of a bridge between mainstream culture and the provider artists.  My experience so far has been that the provider artists are pretty much reliant on the herb to survive, which makes it harder for me to believe their stance on the herbal meds.  I have noticed also a greater amount of usage of mushrooms and perhaps the realtionship between the two is a differentiating factor.  What else can you tell me?

Well smoke a doobie...

I was hoping that a article on the solstice was going to be written by now...

Anyway smoke a doobie and watch these...

Or watch them when you are without...

Peace!

It's a good place to plant these here I guess...

Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do.

Enjoy the solstice, take a hit for me, and may the sun rise again.

Peace again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_NBSXtxsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19SbGcKmvnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NugStrBFmig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HPqYqX_UH8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp1uCSWdpTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5CZdl3-U7A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESq-qs8IEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BudRmtn3aPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BudRmtn3aPo

And I must agree that getting stoned may help people to take the edge off... to each his or her own. 

Your idea about the thc

Your idea about the thc crystals acting as inter-dimensional conduits is very interesting. I do have to agree with many of the commentators in thinking that the visions you experienced were relative to your preconceptions about the plant. It sounds like the entity that you communicated with was simply allowing you behold your own opinion to a greater extent of expression, as it extending into the astral realms. The visions of the "green men" putting willpower and emotion into a shrine (I think you said "shrine" at least), could have been a visualization of the way you felt about the intentions of marijuana users you had observed in the past. Also, the intuitive feelings that you used to shape the hierarchical system of users that you presented sounds like what could have been based on an objective realization of the relationship of the psychic alliance of spirit and user, but then filtered through your own bias. It is important to understand how the way you classified marijuana users as well as the observations you have made in the past are a part of you. Everything you perceive through your sensory spectrum is there to teach you a lesson, so, given the nature of your preconceptions, the lesson that was available to you (or at least one of them) was to realize how your own bias was limiting your experience. This trip sounds like it was a multidimensional art piece entitled "This is what you perceive marijuana to be."

Yes and...

This line of thought is not lost on me.  Believe me I have considered it.  It doesn't explain: the Asian setting; the rows of crystal conductors; the Yakuza behavior; the detailed religion and law aspects of the plant.  I really could benefit from more people actually sharing more of their first hand experiences in the green underworld. What I am interested in is actually learning  more. People seam to be preoccupied with scepticism over sharing their own experiences. The reason I believe my experience is mani fold. I worked as a psychic detective in eveidence procurement. I could shorten the amount of time it took them to find evidence. My testimony of course couldn't be used.  I found missing people after being lost for over 10 years.  I have detected cancer in people's bodies and prevented their death with early detection blah blah blah.  I have done extensive dream study for many years and have had some pretty extensive training and dream discourses. I am pretty familiar with that territory.  I have traveled to places in dreams in other dimensions and then met the people I met only in the dreams years later in the flesh with starling amounts of detail without hinting or projecting information. They remember me. I have a pretty good although definately not perfect sense of what kind of experience I had.  I have yet to have anyone here on RS respond with a similar experience in the underworld that would either support or refute anything I have seen or experienced.  I have visions and hunches all the time that I rely on. it is a part of my daily experience and healing work. I kinesthetically see auras.  I do healing work this way. If it doesn't "do anything" then maybe it's just imagination, but if it "works" then it's something more. Isn't understanding more interesting than casting judgment?  I do not judge your experiences or others for smoking herb. I am truly interested in discovering what it is really all about. Either you are interested in exploring that with me or you aren't.  It's fine either way.  But I do tire of people looking to create a definitive of what they think my experience is.  I have posed a question and shared my experience.I was asked to. Where are your experiences? Hasn't anyone else on here, with all of these amazing people and shamans, had an experience with Ganja or its keepers that would really add to knowledge of this place? I would love that.

fascinating stuff, Daenin.

I consider you a friend, Daenin, even though I've never gotten to know you.. But as kin and ally, I resonate with what you've shared here. It's also interesting to read Daniel's response. I don't perceive so much negativity and backlash in the responses, but I do sense that others who have read this article have taken it personally that their favorite green plant has been cast in less than favorable light. 

 Personally, I've never astral travelled with the green plant into the realms of the 'green underworld' with the intention of trying to investigate the myriad astral underpinnings of this powerful plant. However, your writings about taking 'will, emotions, memories, & thoughts' and putting them into a shrine, is a very interesting concept. It was largely due to the numbing, depleting of life force, and lack of willpower aspects of ganja that I disassociated with it. And having begun smoking it again recently after almost 2 years off has really been interesting. Still those same aspects are there for me, it's still numbing and I still find it depleting. 

 I am interested to read your part 2 and I just want to say that I think there are some validities to your essay that belie a deeper truth than what many would like to give the benefit of a doubt to.  

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Very interesting read. It is true that the author is clearly biased against the plant, which of course will effect his experience with it as previous commentators have pointed out. In his bio he says he is a proponent of "drugless shamanism" which strikes me as odd. I've never known a shaman to be very concerned with the legality of a substance.

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Also, he writes of these green men appearing in the "lower astral plane." Well, what part? I'm assuming he means some aspect of Yesod, which we all know is illusory in nature. I also remember reading in the Alchemist's cookbook (or something like that) that cannabis corresponds to Saturn, or Binah, which is much higher up on the Tree.

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I heard once that it was King Solomon himself who taught of the benefits of cannabis use.

JAH! Rastafari

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Bless Up!

Fascinating Perspective

~illuuminuus~  myspace.com/illuuminus

Lest this article be shown no respect whatever by our choosy readers, let me chime in with a bit of support: Over the course of my years I have enjoyed this tasty herb on countless occasions, but seldom without some price to be paid, small though it usually seems. In the past few years the cost seems to be inclining steeply in my case. Tangible long term and short term memory loss. I don't blame it all on mj, of course. There are countless precursors to share the blame these days, but I seem to be especially sensitive to the little green bandits described here. I am, no doubt, among the dumbest food on these little bastards' menu. Looking back honestly, MJ cost me what might otherwise have been a caring mother. Now, it's negatively affecting my relationship with my son. Only a select group of us, it turns out, can use this lovely entheogen without developing an addiction to it. On rare occasion I am able to converse with him when he is in a 'wisdom state', and on those occasions I have been impressed that was far wiser than any might guess from his daily actions. But on most days, morning, noon, or night, he's just plain stupefied. These days my estranged mother is a semi-disabled senior. She recently visited briefly for the holidays. She expressed a strong interest in going to see my son. I was surprised and moved. She was ready for a relationship at last! Later I learned her motive was to obtain the sweet chiba from my 16 year old. It must have been cool, he told me later, to have grown up with a mom like that. The cycle of addiction is alive and well in my family. I have always been able to take it or leave it, except for a brief period of depression when I was laid up at home for 6 months with an injury, and I indulged regularly. Often it was great, but less and less so as time went on. Now I wonder if my mental capacity will ever fully recover from that time. I am of an open mind, by the way. I hope to experience DMT and some others in the future. But I'll give no more of myself to this particular plant. It may well be that the author is 100% dead on in his assessment.

Background on author

Who's the author, where's he from, what's his past, why does he hold a negative view on MJ?

this is a context

I think the first thing to look at when reading this piece is that this person claims that their perception of an invisible reality is true. That the perceptions of aura and such that the "see" is a valid, solid thing. I have noticed that people that claim to have this power always poo poo drug use. I think it would be interesting to explore this with people like this.Why does someone who's personality is based around the fact that they can see things other people can't, always quick to disregard substances that give all people those ability's?Of course there is a unseen energy that surrounds bio-organic forms, But I think that anyone who claims that they have more of a read on this than another, is not completely accurate. it reminds me of a middle age priest. Ultimalty reality is determined by the perceiver in it. anyone that claims they have more access to it than another is induced in there ego...That is why plant substances exist... To show everyone that they can see "it".

the ego trumping of the more collective experience

Wow. It is great to see my own insight articulated by someone else. I see this all of the time with a friend of mine both before and since she received psychological training with which she now provides therapy to alcoholics. She claims great intuitive abilities, and I don't think her claim is entirely bunk, although as with most who are into their intuition she sometimes fancies more greatness to her intuitions than appears to be warranted from a more objective viewpoint. However, she does get frustrated with the collective experience, including that of the populace during the 60's and artists (particularly rock musicians) and, of course, drug users. She frequently indicates that she doesn't understand any of these things and pooh-poohs them as worthless. Can you imagine doing that with a superior sort of self conviction, particularly with respect to artists? It drives me wild, but she surrounds herself mostly with people who support her in her own self delusion and so I don't get through to her much and have pretty much stopped trying. But, I agree it is ego and the need to feed that ego that makes people simply disregard an entire body of endeavor in one fell swoop. It's actually fairly disgusting, if you ask me. That said, I did enjoy this piece for its creative value and the subject matter is of specific interest to me.

AND

this whole persons perspective is based in animism. What if you don't believe that the world is controlled by entitles?WHAT IF ITS ALL JAHThese new age people...I am so tired of them and there fear based beliefs that everything is eating or stealing energycome to the emptiness come to reality of the non-dualand realize its one partyyou dorky aura nerd that can't let go and get highREALITY SANDWICH COME ON REALLY???ARe you saying your part of this new age crap?

Into The Green Underworld

I'd like to point out to the various posters here who responded to this article by writing about how great Raw Foods cuisine is for you (scroll back to the earlier comments on this article), that many medical researchers are of the opinion, based on their studies, that human evolution accelerated when early modern humans began to eat cooked food.

The liver had to adapt to the change in molecular structure that occurred when food was cooked. This led to changes in the neural pathways of the brain as the brain had to accommodate receiving blood that had been transformed by the liver.

While fresh, raw foods are occasionally enjoyable, I'll stick with my cooked food and reap the benefits of higher evolution.

In addition, it might be better if we consumed cannabis as an ingredient in our cooked food, rather than smoking it.

thank you daenin

i'm really glad you shared this article. i haven't been able to read it fully, as i'm in the middle of the journey to zero point. but i was just thinking of you recently, because i was having a really intense conversation with friends about this very subject and i remembered some of your insightful viewpoints. i'm looking forward to reading the rest of your views. namaste! ~v

An article like this could destroy RS!!!???

~illuuminuus~  myspace.com/illuuminus

Are you people for real? You don't like the turn RS is taking with articles like this?? Are we metaphysical fundamentalists now who can't stomach variant opinion pieces? Personally I hope to see many divergent ideas discussed here. To react with such disgust and complain with such zeal is hardly an indicator of elevated enlightenment. We do not need to agree with an author to show a bit of respect. In all honesty, I see quite a lot of negative, complaining hatespeak coming from seemingly very intelligent persons on this site. I've listened to some of you tear down pieces that have moved and inspired many of us.  The site founder himself has been a target of this rabid criticism on more than one occasion and it was his work that brought us together here in the first place.  Allow me to suggest, as it does not appear to occur to you, that if Daniel were to take your advice and exercise his editorial muscle it is you yourself who would likely be silenced. As things stand, many of us value the unedited forum, so let's try to keep it that way. If you are unhappy, please keep your anger and your threats and simply take a hike. We've no call for bullies here.  Perhaps you'd be happier in a group that acknowledges absolutes.  There are plenty of other deli's down the street if this Sandwich is not for you.     ~namaste~

 

I would tend to agree with

I would tend to agree with ~illuuminuus~. If we're all here to share and exchange ideas, hopefully with the manifest purpose of furthering our individual and collective understanding of the greater natures of reality, what sense is there to bring in the ego-centered criticisms running rampant in secular culture?

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One does not have to agree to be polite, civil and respectful of alternative views. Hopefully our community can come to an agreement on this, at least.

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Having said that, I will say that the author strikes his own very biased viewpoint as an end-all be-all of the "science" of MJ metaphysics. Perhaps he did not mean for his article to come across as so firmly decided but hopefully he will take into consideration that ALL of reality is subjective to the observer and thus the spiritual and psychedelic realms are no different.All "trips" or substance-induced phenomena are generally accepted by the wider imbibing community to be subjective to the individual's psyche, expectations, and setting.

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Just because you observed this experience, does not make it "science".

can't we have fun with ideas?

I am surprised by the negativity here. I don't think pieces here should be seen as "Holy Writ," but invitations to deeper dialogue. The idea that entheogenic plants might have astral entitities and spirit protectors is a fascinating one, and the extensive way the idea is developed through the piece is, I think, very original and thought-provoking. I hope some of you will take a second look and reconsider it in that light.

"Will the transformation."-Rilke

Makes cents

When I was actively commenting on this site I found the censorious retribution of the editorial staff to be off-ending at best.

The contradictory nature of the editors here at RS has been pointed too on so many occasions by so many valid intelligent voices it's laughable how it still simply goes untended.  More often than not these editors and authors are the cause of the 'negative vibes' yet place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the commentators.  It's silly really.  Like in Naomi Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' she simultaneously points out the horrors of the 'elite controlling class' while displaying exactly the same behaviors she's implicitly condemning as unethical.

 

I once offered a homeless man a sandwich after reading his sign 'Will work for food', he turned my offerings away.  I had an abundance in my lunch box and he was hungry so why did he turn away the food? . . .  He wanted money, not food.

 

Remember, magic is simply the act of turning superstition into coin.

 

Just passing through... again.  Have fun! 

hmmmmmmmmmm

seems like you have a very specific concept of what this RS forum is supposed to be and you think it should be contained within a very narrow bandwidth. 

 

I honor Daniel and the RS Editors for posting this article. Whether or not it has believability or credence doesn't matter... We're talking about subjective, feeling based, shamanistic stuff here a LOT in this RS forum. Look at Daniel's first book, in which he goes into mad detail talking about extremely subjective experiences, like his personal accounts of working with Iboga in Camaroon.

Please, let's trust the folks who are creating this dialogue forum and allow them to publish what they want. 

Viva la difference

It's amazing how we disagree.I've known a few real shaman in my time and they always say crazy things.That's their job.They are very important and essential nevertheless and we should all be grateful.Power animals,talking to the water and trees and listening for a reply.Our culture is so far away from these things.These people not only worship the universe in all it's diversity but honor the creation.My god,look at what the rest of us are doing to it!Their goal is not power or force but union."The smallest being speaks to us of the greatest mystery".We are the youngest species on the living earth but these folks have been with us from the start and the shamanic path was one of the very first to show us we are not alone. There are so many ways to see in a scared manner and there are so many of us now that the diversity is overwhelming perhaps, but that is part of the challenge; is it not? Maryjane has been around for a long long time. I enjoy it as much as the next person but who has most experience with it? I am all for healthy skepticism for we have been led by liars and fools. However, not all of our ancestors were politicians. Do we not honor some of our elders? Whether its Salvia or LSD or whatever, can't we share our explorations and understanding without saying no that's not right, that's not what I saw... "Beware the child defending its toys."

"Whether its Salvia or LSD

"Whether its Salvia or LSD or whatever, can't we share our explorations and understanding without saying no that's not right, that's not what I saw..."

This is the crux of the entire debate around this article.  Had it been presented, from the get-go, as a subjective experience others might learn from; then it might have caused less of a ruckus (whether a ruckus is entirely a bad thing is, of course, debatable).  It is its presentation as a matter of fact that, I believe, causes readers to believe that their own understandings are being undermined by a single individual claiming some specially revealed knowledge.  

That, at least, is what I find most distasteful.  It isn't like there haven't been thousands of such individuals over the course of time...with maybe a small handful actually ending up to prove to be of any real merit.

Show me where to look; don't just tell me what you saw.  I assure you: While I always appreciate a different perspective; I can see fine for myself.

 

 

"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi

The Article Itself

Even though the overall theme did offer much psychedlic promise ... still on part two there was half-decent "crystal-smoke transmission" intrigue..

 Regardless I find it hard to criticize RS ... if one reads between the opions one realizes the unique perspecive.

There are more than just a few Shamans, yogis, monks etc who do not favor Entheogenic guidance, and this RS site certainbly has a right and a priviledge to supply us with such a perspective.

That and that alone has value above and beyond some of our limitations on the positive side. I did not enjoy it ... yet I appreciated some parts ... thank you RS for allowing the possibility

It's amusing how people

It's amusing how people react when sacred cows are shoved around. Every neo-shaman I've known who loved their "sacred herb" lived in a bubble in which they weren't fit to tie the shoe of a dedicated practitioner of contemplative arts or a somatic discipline. Many of the vehement protests against this article remind me of my own words during my 18 years of being stoned. Being clean now, for 12 years, I watch people get "high" and it's almost as much fun as watching people get drunk. MJ has it's place and it's a minor place. In very early stages of the path it can jog people out of ruts and break down filters. Long term it's a way to avoid real work. I've never encountered, or heard of, any serious teachers of wisdom who spark up on a regular basis. It should be legal and if people want to get high more power to them. Same with TV, gambling, or strip clubs. Yet the claims for the efficacy of MJ as a route to ecstatic states reek of laziness and lack of discipline. To pretend that regular use is beneficial to growth and awareness is silliness.

amen

I was recently listening to a certain buddhist lama who himself smoked plenty in the 60's and he said if you smoke Pot regularly you will simply not develop as a Human Being. Emotionally you will be in stasis while you smoke. when you stop even many years later you will be right where you were when you started

A novel interpretation.

I'm a published fantasy novelist. The depiction of alternate realities is my stock in trade. I acknowledge that the exploration of new directions in fiction is an important pursuit for practitioners of the storyteller’s art. However, I'm a bit surprised that this piece purporting to represent a genuine experience was published. Besides the obvious consideration of the misleading banner under which it was presented there are glaring, jarring inconsistencies in characterisation, spelling, grammar, plot and, above all, narrative. And it’s not really a fresh approach. The War of the Worlds broadcast was seventy-five years ago. At one stage Orson Welles claimed this work was satire. Perhaps the whole of the RS website is an act of satire. Sadly the American talent for this art form has declined dramatically since the 1930’s. The U.S. satire of democracy- known as the Bush regime; the U.S. satire of media- a.k.a. Foxnews and the U.S. satire of ethics- Wall Street, are a few that spring to mind. Should we consider RS in the same light. When I consider that RS rejected a serialisation of my latest published novel- which I offered free to RS readers- I wonder how this poorly presented piece about cannabis came to be shared in such a raw, unfinished and "dumbed-down" form. I don't want anyone to think I'm miffed that my book wasn't published by RS- after sixteen published books, rejection isn't an issue for me anymore. I'm just confused about the editorial standards at RS. Please RS. If you're going to publish fantasy-fiction do so openly and with appropriate caveats attached. Fantasy-fiction can be a powerful way to open gateways to other realities. Equally it can be an effective tool for the subversion of truth when presented as sworn testimony. Witness the propaganda of the Bush era. One last thing- for pity's sake remember that your readers are seeking quality as much as QUALITY.

The Caged Eagle Soars!!!

I went and saw a loved one graduate at NKU -- that’s Northern Kentucky University.  Here a teacher spoke about dreamers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCZ4hjcQDU0

Some things in his speech I agree with and with others I don't.  The person speaking is a teacher from Northern Kentucky University.  It was from their Graduation Ceremonies in December 2008.

A loved one of mine walked down the isle that day and given her cap and gown.  Anyway, as of now I'm happy  thinking what to answer this teacher.  We need to talk about hemp and the relegalization of hemp and of the farming Northern Kentucky was doing at the time of the 1800’s.  And since then we have forgotten to talk more of hemp then cotton.

Talk about dreamers.  In the past it would have stopped a Civil War in which American Brother shaot against American Brother.

Peace... Hopefully, Obama will finally exchange cotton for hemp... Maybe by tomorrow or the next day but what cotton did to his relations in this country, you would think, he would be all for that unslaved plant… hemp.  We can all hope and hopefully still with him… Obama Inhaled!  Thank God he didn’t get caught… unlike others that do and are sent to the cages to do time for a constitutional right…. To be happy!!!

NKU

Northern Kentucky University

Hemp

Farming

Graduation

Teacher

Peace

Geronimo

Sitting Bull

Leonard Peltier

Queen Elizabeth the 16th

Cortes

Mother Teresa

Samoset

Abenaki

Navaho

Hopi

Lakota

Red Road

White Road

Mohawk

Iroquois

Mic Mac

Blackfoot

Yellow

The Caged Eagle to Soar

Must Be Released

Free Leonard Peltier!!!!!

Pardon me, the hemp. but more so Peltier.

We should exchange Cortes for Peltier and place Cortes in the cage!

I hope to believe that soon

Maybe before January 20th, 2009

I get to hear the words of Leonard's silence soaring from an opened cage!!!

What Patriot speaks for Leonard?

You? Me? Good!!!!

He is a political prisoner of the United States!!!

You think that the Dean of Northern Kentucky University

When speaking of dreamers

Would be speaking people and things that need to be set free…

A bumper crop for Kentuckians… let’s hope.

Hope to for Leonard Peltier Pardon!!!

President Bush!!!

If you believe in freedom… Pardon Peltier!!!

Take the cotton out of your ears!

President Elect Obama!!!

If you believe in freedom… Pardon Peltier!!!

And allow those in Kentucky to throw some hemp seeds into some good soil.

Free Peltier!

President Bush...

And President Elect Obama!!!

I call on you both in witness of all who call themselves Patriots in this Great Land of ours...

The United States!!!

A land where the Great Dream comes true!!!

Free at last!!!

In the name of the Great Spirit...

Free Leonard Peltier!

My Uncle Curly was Abenaki,

or so I was told,

And he died for our freedom

in the China Sea.

I know he would tell you all... Free Peltier!

His brother,

my father,

who served in the 100th Bomb Group

out of England would say...

"Free Peltier!!!"

My Grandfather

who refused to fight in the Kings

of the First World War would say...

"Free Peltier!!!"

“And me?”

If you ask…

“2852 CES United States Air Force.”

"Free Peltier!!!"

And I might add… It is past time… The President of the United States of America must free Peltier and allow that Caged Eagle to Soar.  Caging Peltier is all our caging!

I think President Bush and President Elect Obama both should agree and walk together to Peltier's jail cell and hear his story of being unjustly imprisoned for over thirty years.

I am speaking from my Uncle and my Father and Grandfather and myself.

Free Peltier.

So, President Bush, Pardon Peltier and set him free!!! Do the right thing.

I thought of Peltier and I thought of Mothers Living

On My Soil

Crying out for their Sons and Daughters

To live free and come saying loudly….

Silence, they say, is the voice of complicity.

But silence is impossible.
Silence screams.
Silence is a message,
just as doing nothing is an act.
Let who you are ring out & resonate
in every word & every deed.
Yes, become who you are.
There's no sidestepping your own being
or your own responsibility.
What you do is who you are.
You are your own comeuppance.
You become your own message.
You are the message.
In the Spirit of Crazy Horse

Leonard Peltier

"Free Leonard Peltier!"

To The Great Spirit

All My Relations!

And Free us from the Corporate land owners!!!

 

~Beneficial Trichome Secretions~

If this article was clearly labeled as 'fiction' i would have no qualms with it.....i would just not have read it.

If the author is putting it forward as a work of fiction ......again, i'd have no qualms with either them or the article, other than it ought to be clearly labeled as such.

If, however the author is putting it forward as fact or truth, & they seems to be, (i see no reference to it being fictitious)............. ............then the author is a *lying manipulative fool*.

...&...

the author clearly doesn't consider lyings potential for karmic kick back ........

or that attempting to deceive large numbers of people has any negative merit......

or the potential for their conscience....or a greater conscience, to be aggrieved & awaiting/preparing compensation........

or the potential of their fictitious article causing a negative impact on the supply of this extremely useful plant.......

..the idiotic laws & propaganda surrounding it...

..& the possible consequences for the myriad of life forms that benefit from it...

..as well as those that have 'evolved' in relationship with it....

 

or that 'some' people actualy do communicate through the illusion of reality/consciousness with the creator of the illusion... & are therefore potentialy in a continuious feedback loop with their given reality & its creator.....

 ...or what this may provide in the way of 'knowing/realizing' anothers intent.

 

The plant in question has far reaching positive properties for many thousands of life forms.... ......medicinally, emotionally, nutritionally, spiritually, conscienciously, mentally, rationally, communicatively, realizationally, symbioticlly, energetically, aesthetically, aromatically, appreciatively, technologically, materially, & so on...& so on...

Anyone who says diffrent has some ulterior motivation.... is a lier.......is being fictitious & ought state so...

..or...is ignorant of the facts.... & therefore ought to say nothing detrimental until they are no longer in ignorance regarding it.

 

The well-being & freedom of countless millions of lives both currently & futuristically is at stake with this matter. .

....no small thing...in my opinion..seemingly unlike yours..... D-readed T-errors.

 

                ~Borne-on The Stipitate~

Love and Respect to all my Friends Here!

~illuuminuus~  myspace.com/illuuminus

An original piece of work that requires no editorial designation or preamble. Plenty of room for varied opinion at RS. Slightly less space for bloated egos. I have listened to dozens of individuals recount their trip experiences on LSD, Shrooms, or Ayahuasca. So many variations, yet I never heard an open-minded person call another a liar or a fraud. Wheres the point in that? MJ isn't going anywhere and will surely outlive us all. So enough with the knee-jerk horror at a bit of existential criticism. Everyone knows we're dealing with subjective interpretations of Reality here! There's no need for a fucking disclaimer unless you're an idiot! Have you forgotten that your own view of Reality is equally subjective?? Holy Shit! What are we? Children?? And by the way, there are quite a lot of us readers who see a few of the regular commentators here as pompous and pretentious. Almost laughably so. I say almost because one or two over-opinionated dolts dragging the rest of us down is decidedly unfunny. If you are a master, sir, then perhaps you should ascend. Otherwise, you remain a student, just like the rest of us. See if you can't strap some reins on that ego before it gets away from you. Mayhap you're overfeeding it.

Pompous knee-jerk reactions

Much love and respect, brother.  I frequently enjoy your comments.  I can only hope that I am not among those you find 'pompous'. 

I do try not to be.  I simply believe, as Sandra Lorraine Woodruff said, "Here's how I express what's wrong with America today...its a lot easier to say, "I've got a gun, and I'm not afraid to use it!" than it is to say, "I've got a difference of opinion, and I'm not afraid to say it!"

 

You should think about what you are accusing people of here.  Then re-read your comment.  To me, there appears to be some contradiction there.

 

"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi

Thanks Chibi

~illuuminuus~  myspace.com/illuuminus

No, I do not consider you pompous, my friend.  In fact, I almost always enjoy what you have to say, and I have to agree with an earlier commentator that oftentimes regulars here elevate the topic beyond the limits of the original piece discussed.  I did not mean to alienate with my little rant.  In fact, looking back as you suggested, the first draft was a lot more thoughtful and considered, but my patience was thin after its random deletion (my own fault)and I was a bit frustrated.  Let me go on record once and for all regarding my chosen screen name: Illuuminuus.  It is a plea for enlightenment, not a claim to have attained it.  If you are anything like me, you have spent your life learning that nearly everything you 'knew' was in fact wrong.  I meant merely to establish a bit more hesitancy when it comes to ridiculing opposing or different viewpoints.  I do not make any defense of this author or the authenticity of his visions.  This is a relatively new development for me, actually.  In times past I would have laughed my ass off at this goofball and his crystalline faeries.   I have made mockery of crystal users and new age flakes for some years, and just as some here, I am tempted to do so now.  Yet on this site we are free to discuss this as well as other equally unlikely topics.  I wouldn't give 2 cents for this author's lecture series, myself.  Crystals are not my thing.  But there are other readers of this forum for whom they might well be.  For them some of our comments may seem hostile.  A great many diverse persons have been drawn here by Daniel's book, '2012 the Return of Quetzlcoatl'  In it, he explores many topics, some of which I am able to credit, and others I'd just as soon toss out.  I find most all UFO claims to be ludicrous.  Crop circles, alien abductions, animal guides??  I can't get onboard with any of those at present.  Yet, I was impressed and inspired by the openminded, intellectual study DP provided on all of these topics.  I have learned a great deal from you all as well.  I find I am attracted to minds that are not quite made up.  I suppose this most aptly represents my own understanding of Reality.  Some of my comments on this article were really aimed at what I perceived to be meanness and closemindedness I had observed in past commentaries.  I see fewer and shorter articles written by the site founder these days, and it seems to me almost as if he has been snarled at overmuch.  Does anyone else share this observation?  I submit that sarcasm, cynicism, and overmuch criticism from within our community can do us all harm.  Intellectuals, Readers, Thinkers, Philosophers, Lightworkers, Shaman, Yogis, Buddhists, Ufologists, and all other students of Reality should all be made welcome here.  Even those with strange beliefs who badmouth our ganja whilst charging a lot of money to teach children to meditate with crystals.  I can't say that I like the idea, and I wasn't formerly aware of the extent of it.  Even so, I am a poor judge.  I've been wrong too often.  This is a message no few wise men have sought to impart but for some reason its incredibly difficult for us to learn.       

Awww....^_~

Is no problem...if you could have read the first draft of my comment...well, heh. 

"The Ego is a Tyrant; which must be constantly overthrow"  Carlos Castaneda (funny that he was such an ass).

That is one of the most powerful things about this site, for me:  it brings me face-to-face with my own reactions on many different topics.  Sometimes I write an initial-draft of a comment...and am amazed at how angry I am (in fact, I have stopped posting without reading through several times -- frequently with a break to meditate -- after feeling as though I've made an ass of myself with unnecessarily polemic comments one too many times =P  I am still embarrassed about my comment on one of Adam Elenbaas' articles during my first couple of months or so). 

Why?  Why do I feel such a need to defend/attack this idea/person/community?   What within myself has this comment/article brought to light that I had not noticed previously...or simply didn't want to think about?

I must confess that I have frequently been called pompous because I seem to have an opinion on everything (hey, I try to be a renaissance person...it has its drawbacks!  ^_~), and because I attempt to utilize a diverse vocabulary at all times (simply to stay in practice for my writing)...this makes some people feel that I am talking down to them. 

So, I was really defending myself when I reacted to your comment.  

Its all quite illuuminaating.... ^_~

In fact, even after editing that comment 8 times...I still can see more snark in it than I think was constructive. 

Happens to everyone...passion can be a harsh mistress, at times.  ^_^

Peace, brother. 

 

 

"You must *be* the change you wish to see in the world." Mahatma Gandhi