Fighting the Power

Power Shift 2009 is being called the biggest lobby day on climate and green jobs in U.S. history, and the biggest youth lobby day of any kind, ever. Ten thousand people are expected to descend on Washington during the week of February 27 - March 2. "At Power Shift 2009, young people from across the country will take a message of bold, comprehensive and immediate federal climate action to Washington, D.C. We will leverage the momentum we have built through the Campus Climate Challenge, Power Shift 2007, and Power Vote to pressure our politicians to take bold, comprehensive action."
Green For All is soliciting help to send 200 low-income youth to the conference, and is offering scholarships for community organizers, campus activists, hip hop artists, high school students, and other low-income young leaders of color who need financial support. Scholarship deadline: Friday, February 13th.
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Repowering and reclaiming our future
This event is going to be phenomenal. Van Jones is speaking and The Roots are going to be playing. Its only $40 to register and there is free/cheap housing to stay in. Just look around and try and carpool. If you are from Ohio check out www.oh-sec.org and contact Mattie. Hope to see you there!
"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children" -Native American proverb
Rep the Sandwich
I know I'll be there, and repping Reality Sandwich to the fullest.
Anyone got any ideas or suggestions as to what I can do to get the word out on the Sandwich and spread the light?
No violence, please
"We will leverage the momentum we have built through the Campus Climate Challenge, Power Shift 2007, and Power Vote to pressure our politicians to take bold, comprehensive action."
In other words... We will beg the people who control the guns to force others to behave as we see fit.
Look, I'm all in favor of cleaner energy and environmental benefit, but dictates by the point of a gun are not the answer.
These changes can be brought about magnificently through education, persuasion, innovation, and fair arbitration. Violence is not conducive to solving social problems.
what do you suggest instead,
Good question...
'organizing lawsuits against
I figured you'd say that
I find defense to be a fundamentally different matter than aggression. Would you agree?
I do not mean to condone EVERY lawsuit or EVERY method for the enforcement of personal protection. I actually think this was my weakest point, because the kind of judicial reform that would have to ideally take place would be extraordinary.
I recognize that corporations can spend a lot of money for their ends, but that does not erase or render ineffective the productive efforts put forward by environmentalists.
In the end, corporations serve their customers. When customer wants and needs change, corporations either adapt or go out of business. We are already witnessing a consumer swing in favor of more environmentally friendly products and services, and the market is responding by providing them.
One of the things I should have mentioned in my last post is boycotting companies that engage in environmentally harmful practices, giving business to ones that don't (or at least less harmful ones), and encouraging others to do the same.
"And keep in mind that even if we did everything we could as consumers to mitigate pollution, 90? of waste is produced by industry. this is one mess the market is not going to sort out."
Everything has its cost, and this is exactly where the market has its place. The market is tremendously LACKING in waste management, which ends up being a huge subsidy to industry because they do not have to pay the full costs of waste disposal. This subsidization also derives from various forms of legislation that allow industry to externalize the costs of its waste. If there's anything that should be pushed politically, it is the reformation of policies in this realm.
capitalism destroys the
I don't promote capitalism...
yes, we agree on the need to
yes, we agree on the need to dismantle the state, but evidently you do not see corporations as coercive institutions (which is strange considering that Adam Smith himself said that the modern state exists primarily to suppress the outrage of the populace at having been injured by the rich & their corporations). if you decry concentrations of power, why not concentrations of wealth (wealth which is then used to purchase access to power)?
you say: "In the end, corporations serve their customers. When customer wants and needs change, corporations either adapt or go out of business." This is patently untrue. Did the people in Alabama poisoned by Monsanto 'want' PCB's in their water? Did the American people (or the Vietnamese) ask them to create Agent Orange? And yet, even though nobody wants Monsanto, they get bigger and bigger and more powerful.
Doubtless these are examples of bad capitalism in your eyes, but what is the corrective? Boycotting Monsanto doesn't work because they have a monopoly. Also, boycotting and dollar-voting can only be practiced by people with money. Poor people (most people) have no choice but to purchase what they can afford. That is why, even though most people who could afford it would buy organic produce, there will always be a market for bad food - most people can't afford the good stuff. This is of course due to government subsidies. But if governments are hand maidens of the corporate rich, don't you have to get rid of the corporations as well as the gov't?corporations are in the business of creating 'needs' and 'wants' where formerly they did not exist. as long as the profit-motive rules, (whether you call it voluntarism or capitalism), the planet dies. this is because profit seekers see everything as potential for 'production'. a forest is 'unproductive' until it is killed and made into 'products' and profits... etc. there is no way around it. 'rational self-interest' can not exist, because self-interest is irrational. the only way is to act out of universal-interest, planet-interest, and recognize that the moment an economic or political or religious line is drawn between a self and its interconnectivity with the earth and other people, life is out of balance, and the world is in danger.
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner on this
“yes, we agree on the need to dismantle the state, but evidently you do not see corporations as coercive institutions (which is strange considering that Adam Smith himself said that the modern state exists primarily to suppress the outrage of the populace at having been injured by the rich & their corporations).”
There is nothing inherently coercive about corporations, just as there is nothing inherently coercive about a non-limited liability company, or a non-profit company. They become coercive by aligning with or engaging in coercive acts. If a corporation starts threatening people with physical harm or utilizes the state for protectionism and cost externalization, then it becomes coercive (unfortunately every single one of us is coercive to some degree… i.e. if you’ve ever used a government-funded road). Many corporations become coercive (just as many other types of companies, unions, and special-interest groups do). Many corporations also manage to serve their customers with quality, affordable goods and services without resorting to state protectionism and cost externalization.
It is imperative for us to understand that corporate crimes are symptoms. Treating symptoms is a worthy goal to pursue, but the state is the disease. If corporations were to be gotten rid of, other special-interest bodies would simply take over the same influence and produce similar problems.
“if you decry concentrations of power, why not concentrations of wealth (wealth which is then used to purchase access to power)?”
It’s a bit more complicated than that, I think, Devon. Concentrations of wealth and concentrations of power go hand in hand. If we look at the places in the world where wealth is the most concentrated (meaning very few people have much wealth and most people have very little), we find that the state is much more centralized and executes a much greater degree of oversight. In a non-coercive economy, personal wealth advancement is generally the result of producing wealth for others or, rather, assisting in the production of wealth in a highly-valued way. In a non-coercive economy, wealth advancement is the great incentive for individuals to innovate and develop skills to produce more wealth for others. Granted, wealth advancement leads to a certain kind of power, but it is a power that is wielded generally for the benefit of others because it is kept in check by consumer sovereignty. So… to answer your question… it’s not so much that I do not decry concentrations of wealth… it’s just that I do not decry opportunity for wealth advancement.
“you say: ‘In the end, corporations serve their customers. When customer wants and needs change, corporations either adapt or go out of business.’ This is patently untrue. Did the people in Alabama poisoned by Monsanto 'want' PCB's in their water?”
No, the people in Alabama did not want PCB’s in their water, but they were also not Monsanto’s customers. Had customers demanded Monsanto to alter its business practices or lose their business, you’d better believe Monsanto would alter its business practices. Now, of course, it would be a terrible world if people were ONLY accountable to their customers (what’s to avert murder for hire?) Those who commit harm to others ought to compensate for the damages. In our society, the institution deemed responsible for these dispute resolutions are the state-run courts. Due to this lack of a market in arbitration, the courts (like any monopoly) are less fair, less efficient, and less accountable.
By the way, Monsanto did not escape that situation without punishment. Victims were awarded an initial settlement of $700 million on top of an estimated $3 billion in awards over the long term, and Monsanto’s share prices dropped severely following the incident.
“Did the American people (or the Vietnamese) ask them to create Agent Orange?”
Well, according to statists, the American people asked them to create Agent Orange through their representatives in the Federal government, but my answer is “no.” Agent Orange is an example of fascism and the pillaging of the public purse, which I do not support.
“And yet, even though nobody wants Monsanto, they get bigger and bigger and more powerful. Doubtless these are examples of bad capitalism in your eyes…”
Indeed. Monsanto is an incredibly sleazy corporation with too many government ties to count. It is a major recipient of direct government funds, utilizes biased legislation for more favorable court rulings, and benefits from artificial market barriers of various kinds, including some of the most absurd patent awards on seed genomes that have ever been enacted. Monsanto gets away with suing farmers (and even landing them in jail) because its patented seeds have cross-pollinated into the crops of farmers who do not even contract with Monsanto. These farmers should be suing Monsanto for polluting their crops, not the other way around.
“but what is the corrective? Boycotting Monsanto doesn't work because they have a monopoly. Also, boycotting and dollar-voting can only be practiced by people with money.”
I never said boycotting was sufficient, but that doesn’t mean it won’t help. “Dollar-voting” occurs every time a person buys anything. Yes, it can only be practiced by people with money. Most people have and spend money, and, hence, most people “dollar-vote.” Spreading awareness about the positives and negatives of specific companies’ business practices will help encourage people to make more informed consumer decisions. We have already witnessed this on a large scale with the ‘Green Revolution,’ during which a growing base of environmentally-conscious consumers has resulted in shifting business practices in a more environmentally-friendly direction.
“Poor people (most people) have no choice but to purchase what they can afford.”
Everyone, whether rich or poor, is restricted to goods and services that he/she can afford. I don’t know what you consider to be “poor,” but in the US, at least, I would not say that “most people” are poor. Even those in the lowest quintile have an obscene number of choices available to them. While they may be financially pressed to purchase cheaper goods and services, their options are still abundant.
“That is why, even though most people who could afford it would buy organic produce, there will always be a market for bad food - most people can't afford the good stuff. This is of course due to government subsidies.”
You are spot on that a lot of “bad food” prevalence in the market is the result of subsidies. New Zealand recently got rid of a lot of its subsidies and government oversight and has experienced significant growth of smaller farms and a reinvigorated healthy food market. Remember, “the workingman’s diet” hasn’t always been unhealthy. Setting aside debates about the nutritional/environmental costs and benefits of organic and conventional food, as agricultural technology currently stands, the global population could simply not be fed on an all-organic diet. Organic food is more expensive for a reason, and that is because it typically requires more resources to produce. All else remaining equal, converting all “conventional methods” of food production to organic farming would not make organic food any cheaper, but getting rid of agricultural subsidies would certainly level the playing field.
“But if governments are hand maidens of the corporate rich, don't you have to get rid of the corporations as well as the gov't?”
I suppose that depends on what you mean by “get rid of corporations.” To me, that’s kind of like asking, “don’t you have to get rid of people as well as the ability to get away with committing crimes?” in reference to crime prevention. The logic here implies that because people commit crime, getting rid of people is the solution to getting rid of crime. By the same token, you seem to be suggesting that because corporations co-opt state coercion, thereby doing harm, the solution is to get rid of corporations. Just as a person has incentive to commit a crime for his/her benefit if he/she is unlikely to suffer the consequences of it, a corporation has incentive to neglect the impact it has on others if it is unlikely to suffer the consequences of it. But we must remember that, just as a person is not inherently a criminal, a corporation is not inherently an unaccountable cost-externalizing entity. Certainly there is reason to cheer when companies like Enron fall. We should definitely try to prevent/get rid of corporations’ government-granted privileges and protectionism over individual citizens and market competitors. We ought to hold corporations that do harm to others accountable for their actions, but simply casting riddance to corporations is not the solution.
“corporations are in the business of creating 'needs' and 'wants' where formerly they did not exist.”
This is a common misrepresentation and drastic oversimplification of the marketing world. Corporations are no more responsible for “creating wants” than the person to first introduce you to the taste of strawberries was responsible for “creating your want” of strawberries. Corporations try to persuade people to purchase their goods and services, but, ultimately, a person must first adopt the ideas and values on which such a purchase could be deemed beneficial. Corporations tend to try and satisfy those “wants” that people either already have, or that they assume people WOULD have if aware that a particular product were available; hence, corporations spend billions annually on market research. Once a product has been produced, corporations will advertise it in order to (a) tell people that it is available and what it’s supposed to do, and (b) to convince people that it will satisfy their wants at an agreeable price.
“as long as the profit-motive rules, (whether you call it voluntarism or capitalism), the planet dies. this is because profit seekers see everything as potential for 'production'. a forest is 'unproductive' until it is killed and made into 'products' and profits... etc. there is no way around it.”
The planet doesn’t die because of the profit-motive. The planet “dies” when people value goods and services that “kill” the planet more than they value the “life” of the planet. That’s not anything that’s going to change because the profit-motive disappears. If the general population suddenly valued spending time in nature parks, guess where profits would flow from?... and, thus, capital would flow to? Logging companies would soon find themselves losing forest to nature parks. If anything, it is private property rights that have prevented against environmental damage. If my factory is polluting a lake owned by a fresh-water fishery, I’m almost definitely going to get sued by the fishery. That cost is going to make it less profitable for me to pollute the lake, and therefore unlikely to pollute the lake. If I DO pollute the lake, I am going to have to pay to clean it up.
“the only way is to act out of universal-interest, planet-interest, and recognize that the moment an economic or political or religious line is drawn between a self and its interconnectivity with the earth and other people, life is out of balance, and the world is in danger.”
There is no such thing as “universal-interest” or “planet-interest.” The planet is not interested in anything. People are interested. Individuals have interests. One person may have an interest in maintaining the ‘natural environment’ and, thus, preventing a tree from being cut down. Another person may have an interest in clearing land for farming and, thus, cutting down a tree. Both might claim that his/her desired action is out of “universal-interest.” Both would be wrong. Countless solutions may be sought for this conflict, but one thing is for sure… neither person has the right to impose his/her interest on the other by threat of violence.
"Just because we don’t
"Just because we don’t yet have a decent concept-form to contain or discuss what she is, doesn’t mean we cannot explore models more alike with reality than with our expectations. For example, we can understand that Earth is a transentient hyperstructure. Like our own bodies she magnifies the diverse relation of her myriad constituents into seemingly impossible potentials of consciousness and awareness.
As an animal, she invests her organismal, biocognitive, emotional and relational complexity in her children — of which she is comprised. Each organism on Earth is a complete instance of her, not merely a participant.
This means that her children are something entirely unalike another of our common (and brokenly flat) concepts: animal. Organisms on Earth are sentient hyperstructures like Earth — first — and ‘animals or plants or cells’ second — if at all.
Earth is not inhabited by animals. She is comprised scalarly relational dimensions of biocognitive organs. Just like you and I.
She only produces that which is instance of her schema. She is not a thing, or an object, at all. What Earth is has nothing to do with inanimacy. She is a cup, into which flowing sunlight pours, and within which an endless living library has been learning itself for more biological time than we could make numbers about."
http://organelle.org/organelle/eaindex2.html
Wow
Its really upsetting when people get so caught up in convincing others that their personal philosophies are superior, even when they are really quite compatible.
This just makes me think of Monty Python's "Life of Brian," with the "People's Front of Judea" fighting the "Judean People's Front."
Seriously, come on people...
As for Entangled Roots, who said anything about violence? I think you need to be fair and not project your own perceptions on a group of young individuals trying to DO something positive, and make real change while acting in solidarity. Did I forget to mention that Powershift is a decidedly NON-VIOLENT gathering, aimed directly at helping fight climate change?
While you are able to write an eloquent novel of a response to a blog, I don't see you doing anything in reality to evoke the change you speak of. If you have, then please tell me.
The time for petty argument is over. The time for action is now.
To quote The Police: "There is no political solution."
I appreciate your expression
Regarding your questions about violence... I recognize that those involved in Powershift do not have violent intentions. In fact, my whole reason for posting in the first place was to hopefully draw attention to the violence that is considerably overlooked (the “elephant in the room” if you will), which is the social institution known as “the state.” Most people seem to be incredibly opposed to the use of force. Heck, we learned it in kindergarten. Your stuff is your stuff, and don’t hit other people. Yet, for some reason, we seem to leave that virtue at the door when it comes to politics. While Powershift may be a non-violent gathering, the methods for pushing its agenda are certainly not. Powershift seeks the utility of the state (in other words, guns) to force others to behave the way they want them to. That is the violence that I am referring to.
“I don't see you doing anything in reality to evoke the change you speak of. If you have, then please tell me.”
I make choices every single day based on environmental concern... what I eat, how I dispose of my waste, what goods I purchase, how much water, gas, and electricity I use, etcetera. I communicate, encouraging conscientiousness on the part of others. I have also participated in environmental clean-up projects, donated to tree replenishment in the rainforest, and lent both amateur and professional support to groups working to spread environmental awareness.
damn you're thorough. i
damn you're thorough. i didn't even think you were going to respond at all. i am not going to be thorough. i will only respond to two points.
'you seem to be suggesting that because corporations co-opt state coercion, thereby doing harm, the solution is to get rid of corporations.'
i may be mistaken, but I believe that the modern nation-state and the modern corporation are siamese twins, that they are reciprocal symbiotes that were spawned by the same powdered wig wearing plutocrats. so it is disingenuous to say that corporations 'co-opt' state coercion. it would be more accurate to say they co-authored state coercion (much as today companies author legislation and then hand it off to some crony congressman. its not like the state corrupts corporations like some playground crack pimp. wasn't george washington the richest guy in america when he became president?)
so yes get rid of the corporations. get rid of all corporations and all statist entities.
'There is no such thing as “universal-interest” or “planet-interest.” The planet is not interested in anything. People are interested. Individuals have interests.'
while others of your arguments are equally irksome, i will confine myself to this one, because it embodies the whole problem with capitalist thought (your claims to voluntarism are moot since i will never volunteer to live in a capitalist society... i'll live in one if i have too, but the coercion is implied).
you can say that the planet has no interest in anything, and perhaps there is no quantifiable way to prove that it does. but the planet is alive, sentient and feeling - the whole humming pullulating pulsating planet is alive and wants to go on living and expressing and loving and becoming. that may not be an 'interest' as much as a desire or a passion (desire is not a strong enough word - but we don't have such a strong word in our language). i believe that it is precisely our disconnection from the planetary or universal 'desire' for free becoming that has landed us in these dire straits. self interest is fine, i suppose, if it is situated within and syncopated with the needs and desires of its community (which includes plants animals rivers trees humans etc) and in that sense it is indeed possible and rightful for an individual to speak for the planet and say that no person or state or corporation has a right to pollute a river, torture animals, displace human communities or stir up resource wars. if we don't have a basis on which to proclaim certain things 'universal' - ie. the sanctity of life, the sanctity of freedom etc, then we really have nothing at all.
Devon, I agree with you
I don’t want you to think that I am defending the identity of many corporations as they exist today. That would be like being presented with a bunch of puppies – many grotesque and swollen from being pumped up on steroids – and saying, “This is okay! Puppies on steroids can stay!” (Puppies is actually a terrible analogy, now that I think about it, but you get my drift.) We don’t want to keep puppies from being born. We just want to make sure they don’t become steroid puppies. My point here is that there’s nothing wrong with incorporating. Now, of course, in state form it has come to occupy certain legal arrangements that would not be a possibility in a genuinely free market (features of taxation and issues concerning creditors that were not previously contracting with the company). Yet, I think, here, we mostly have an identity problem. Many corporations have grown into a form that is so commonly associated with the word “corporation,” or tags “Inc” and “Corp,” that we have forgotten what a corporation actually is, and that is a voluntary arrangement of capital formation and liabilities.
As for your comments about the planet “wanting,” we’re just going to have to disagree on that one. I see no evidence for it. Now, if you’re talking about the planet “wanting” in some sense as a conglomeration of the “wants” by all wanting beings (humans and many other animals), then okay, we have ground to begin a discussion. You may also be referring to “planet interest” as the symbiotic balance of inter-species relationships, a.k.a. “the circle of life.” Either way, I think knowing this “planet interest” requires an impossible omniscience of which no “ideal” can ever be known, and even if it could be known, would be just one of many ethical considerations.
You mention that “self interest is fine... if it is situated within and syncopated with the needs and desires of its community.” Well, this is very much the balance the framework of voluntarism strives for. In a voluntary society, transactions are beneficial (or at least benign) to all parties involved, because the transaction does not take place without the consent of those involved. Self-interest is checked by self-interest. That’s the whole idea. As for the consideration of plants and other animals, that is a philosophical ordeal leading all the way back to first principles, the intricacies of which I do not wish to pursue in the comments section of an article about Powershift.
Look... you and I share a certain sentiment about the value of environmental protection. I have no argument with you there. Initially, all I was saying was that we ought not to use force to get others to comply with our environmental conceptions. People are going to have different ideas about what constitutes a proper planetary balance, and the burden of proof falls upon the person asserting these truths, but no one gets a pass on using the threat of violence to dictate his/her proclaimed “balance” on others, and I don’t think you would disagree with me there.
A note about you last statement: “If we don't have a basis on which to proclaim certain things 'universal'... then we really have nothing at all.” I’m totally with you. I think that’s why we’ve engaged in this discussion, don’t you?
Anyway, I think we’ve just about exhausted this one. If you want to continue on this topic in particular, I’m game, but I think it might be best for us to save up on our intellectual resources for another day.
Peace, Devon.
one quick point.