Exorcising Christ from Christianity

Recently, much of the Bible-centered, evangelical Christianity in the United States has been charged with playing politics from the pulpit. Evangelicals have commonly associated themselves with a Christian/moral agenda that they believe to be present in the Republican Party. In this niche, the military might of the United States is equated with evangelism of the Christian Gospel. Accordingly, the Middle East becomes like a pagan, as was Vietnam before it, and the church has to bring the light of the gospel (which is the United States and its military power) to the lost sheep.
But some Christian pastors have spoken out against the politicization of the gospel, with perhaps the most popular of these right now being the Baptist pastor, author, and biblical scholar Greg Boyd. His recent book, The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power is Destroying the Church, has been big news in evangelical communities around the world. In his writing, Boyd explains a new, "counter-cultural" understanding of the Christian Gospel and the life of Christ. This view is called the "Christus Victor" theory of the atonement.
After the book's publication and a series of sermons that refused to equate the gospel of Jesus with the Bush regime, Boyd lost over one thousand of the five thousand members of his Baptist church in St. Paul, Minnesota. The New York Times recently quoted Boyd as saying in one of his partiularly controversial sermons: "I am sorry to tell you that America is not the light of the world and the hope of the world. The light of the world and the hope of the world is Jesus Christ."
After the initial loss of members, Boyd's mega-church quickly gained a larger congregation than it had lost. Of the new members, the largest group of newcomers were minorities.
The Times interview with Boyd summarized the event: "Mr. Boyd lambasted the 'hypocrisy and pettiness' of Christians who focus on 'sexual issues' like homosexuality, abortion or Janet Jackson's breast-revealing performance at the Super Bowl halftime show. Boyd said Christians these days were constantly outraged about sex and perceived violations of their rights to display their faith in public. 'Those are the two buttons to push if you want to get Christians to act,' he said. 'And those are the two buttons Jesus never pushed.'"
Sounds like progressive theology for an evangelical Christian, right?
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During my undergraduate years at Bethel College in St. Paul Minnesota, I was also a Christian evangelical. However, a secret cannabis habit was slowly dissolving my more extreme views of Jesus and the Gospels into a universal understanding of the divine mystery. My theology was becoming more and more liberal every semester. During that period of dissolution at Bethel College, Greg Boyd was my favorite theology professor.
In the classroom one day he told a story about an LSD trip that he'd been on as a teenager, before becoming a Christian. It was the first time I'd ever heard a Christian pastor talk about psychedelics. He said that he felt like he had become one with the universe while looking into a Christmas tree. He recalled that he wrote a treatise that night about the ultimate meaning of life.
But, Boyd told the class, he quickly discounted this acid-inspired revelation. He said that he realized the very next day that his experience was meaningless.
Recently in an article from the Star Tribune in Minneapolis, Boyd recalled the LSD trip again. When he read his ultimate treatise, after the trip had ended, he couldn't understand anyting he'd written. "It was incomprehensible," he said. In my theology class he also concluded that, "If everything is 'one,' then we would have to throw logic away." We would slide into a vortex of meaninglessness.
It occurs to me, after years working in Ayahuasca ceremonies, that while Greg Boyd is one of the most progressive theologians and pastors in the evangelical community, refusing to equate the gospel with politics and evangelism with imperialism, he is still operating under an assumption about the life of Christ that I have come to disagree with.
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The Good News of the Gospel, in my opinion, is that oneness or void, emptiness or even meaninglessness, perhaps paradoxically are not always negative or undesirable states of being. This understanding started with my first vision of Christ, in Peru during an Ayahuasca ceremony.
After using cannabis for years during and after college, and then attempting to be a Christian youth pastor for a year in Chicago, and resigning, I finally left the Christian church altogether. I began experimenting with more drugs. During my experimental phase I eventually tried mushrooms, which shifted my attention from party drugs like cocaine, ecstasy, opiates, liquor and cigarettes to entheogens, shamanic literature, drum circles, sweat lodges, lucid dreaming, and creative writing.
The visionary experience of psychedelics was not, after all, completely dissimilar from the ecstasy of the pentecostal lifestyle I had been a part of for some time during my exploration of Christianity. In fact, it was through my experiences with psychedelics that I began to see it was possible to be "christ-like" without being a "Christian."
After reading about Ayahuasca shamanism, I traveled to Peru to drink the magical vine of the spirits. I decided that I wanted a visionary experience that was a part of an ancient, medicinal and spiritual tradition. In my first ceremony, downriver from Iquitos, a jungle outpost city in Northern Peru, I drank a strong cup of Ayahuasca medicine and entered into a deconditioning sequence. The ceremony cleansed me of an unhealthy relationship to Jesus.
I was cleansed of evangelical Christianity like many people who drink Ayahuasca find themselves purging drug addictions. The fear-based pathology of my days as an evangelical had left residual scar tissue throughout my body and mind. Christian culture, for me, was like a drug. I had been using it to medicate my own confusion and fear, my own insecurity. The first healing of my evangelical dis-ease came an hour into my first ceremony, when I had my first real conversation with Jesus.
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It was raining in the jungle. Thunder clapped over the top of the mesa, which was on the top of a hill, tucked in against the bank of a shady, green lagoon. Bullfrogs croaked and birds called, strangely, back and forth. Cicadas buzzed loudly, like an electric fence, and larger sentinels crashed in the distance. The jungle was alive, and after an hour into the ceremony I felt the pulsing of the universe.
I could no longer sense where the boundary of my skin and bones ended and the rest of the universe began. I dissolved into bliss. I laughed and cried with joy. I listened to the rain and the whistling of the magical icaros. I stretched out like a cat, and it felt as though my body was unwinding from years of tightly held stress. My nostrils opened, and I could smell the lush plants of the jungle.
I heard the small yawn of a sleeping dog outside of the mesa, protected from the downpour by the awning of the roof. My muscles relaxed, and I began to float out of my body.
I found myself knee deep in water, standing in a grid of Greek columns. I saw Jesus walking towards me in the water. He looked strong, like a carpenter. His skin was dark, not white like the portraits from the walls of my childhood churches. His eyes were fierce and powerful, but he looked like had a sense of humor, like he knew how to laugh, as well. His humanity startled me. Then I was afraid.
Fear welled up from my stomach, I began bubbling like a fountain, saying "thank you." I doubled over clutching my stomach, feeling like I would vomit.
I couldn't stop saying "thank you." When he finally reached me, I would not lift my head to look into his eyes. And my "thank yous" poured out of my mouth, faster and faster, until it was clear to me that the language was a vessel for a deeper communication. I might have been saying "thank you," but the sounds of my words actually said things like, "I am not good enough. I am afraid. I am alone."
It instantly occurred to me that most of the words I had ever said to people about Jesus when I was an evangelist had been filled with fear, anger, jealousy, insecurity, and saddness. It occurred to me that I so rarely ever meant what I said. I saw that my words often betrayed my feelings.
While lying on the floor of the mesa, I felt as though a sinister witch doctor, and not an emissary of light, had been speaking through me during my Christian days. The dog outside of the mesa began snarling protectively. The wind began to blow hard through the treetops.
The "thank yous" were coming out of my mouth like liquid, a golden oil. The oil formed into a statuesque calf, trembling and undulating on the surface of the water. The rain blew sideways in sheets against the side of the mesa. Through mosquito netting on the windows, I could feel the humid spray of the jungle, alive, pusling, swallowing me whole.
Then in my vision, Jesus lifted me up onto the water. I was looking into his eyes.
The "thank yous" stopped. He touched the golden calf, and it dissolved. Then he looked at me and we shared silence. I held eye contact with him, and it felt wonderful to see the man's proportions. His skin. To look into the cracks and lines of his forehead and cheeks. He was human. His face. Like me.
Then he spoke.
"Adam. Love me. But do not make me into an idol." He held my shoulder in his palms, gently.
The rain was settling in the jungle. Outside of the mesa, I heard the dog sigh deeply and lie down again.
Looking into the eyes of Jesus and hearing the dog adjust its body to sleep, it occurred to me that all of life is an intelligent web. Infinitely connected. I began to cry. My tears felt like bricks, crumbling away, my face crackling open, white light shining through, so bright it could blind the sun.
He continued, "Our father is the only one who has the right to judge anything." He pointed up. And the sky opened above me. There were stars twinkling in the rafters of the mesa. "And he never does. He never judges anything."
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So now, years later, why do I have this bone to pick with my old theology professor? I suppose I challenge Boyd's theology because I believe that it is becoming increasingly important for the universal spiritual communities to engage in healthy dialogue with liberal evangelicals, those who are counter-cultural but still see Christianity as separate and essentially "the best."
We should seek a spirited debate with evangelicals as we attempt to create a more unified spiritual community on our planet – a community that includes all of the many avatars that have walked the earth, not just Jesus.
I picked Greg Boyd because he is a new kind of evangelical, one that is coming closer and closer to a more universal understanding of the divine mystery. Because it turns out that the evolution of consciousness is happening everywhere.
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Boyd recently outlined his evangelical theory in a sermon at his mega-church. Angering some of his members again, he said that it was good to see a black man, Barack Obama, and a woman, Hillary Clinton, running for president. "It's about time we realize that all people are created equal, regardless of whether you like their politics or not," Boyd declared. He then outlined his Christus Victor theory, annotating a passage from Matthew as he went.
But in order to understand Boyd's Christus Victor theory of atonement, and why its making such a splash in evangelical communities, it's important to first understand its classic theological rival: the "penal substitution" view.
This view is the common understanding of the cross, where Jesus came to be the sacrificial lamb that would appease God, the judge, for man's sins. In the penal substitution view, Jesus takes the place of the sinner, and if we say a prayer, join a church, or become a "Christian," then we sign into the contract that was made between God and Man, via his son Jesus. Of course, by doing so we also avoid hell and damnation, which is the alternative to the contract.
Boyd's view is different – it's far more liberal. In his understanding, Christ did not come to take the place of sinners but came to free Christians from the shackles of the strong man: Satan. His theory is comparatively progressive because the emphasis of the cross translates to social action more than imperialistic evangelism. Its primary thrust is not the fear of hell but the need for change and healing.
Jesus came to heal the world, and it was by healing the world (not by paying the debt of our sins) that he saved us. Jesus came to remove the blinders of hatred and to enlighten human beings to a more peaceful way of life. By dying on the cross, according to Boyd's Christus Victor theory, Jesus conquered the Kingdom of Satan once and for all. Now, since his departure from the earth, we're supposed to mimic his lifestyle until he returns to establish the new kingdom.
Oppressing those we perceive as different is not a part of this gospel. Neither is war or violence, or aggression. The world needs love, and Christ was the turning point in the battle.
In his sermon elucidating the Christus Victor understanding of the atonement, Greg delves into the book of Matthew, chapter 12, using this passage to highlight his theology:
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand. 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children castthem out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? And then he will spoil his house. 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Boyd notes it was astonishing that Christ exorcised a "mute" demon because mute demons were especially impossible to exorcise, according to Jewish history. They were tricky because you couldn't get their name, and getting a demon's name was important to pulling it out of a patient's body. He went on to cite verse 25, where Christ rebukes the Pharisees using what Boyd calls "good logic."
By saying that a kingdom cannot stand "divided against itself," Boyd suggests that Christ was proving, logically, that he was casting out demons by the power of God and not by the power of Satan (because it would be logically impossible to cast out Satan by Satan).
He then goes on to say that the "binding of the strong man" and the "spoils" of the strong man's house represent the idea that Christ came to free people from the grand illusion that Satan had cast over the planet. The final death blow to Satan's Kingdom was dealt on the cross, according to Boyd.
While this view is progressive, it is still exclusive. Because the Buddha is excluded. Krishna has nothing to add. It was Jesus, not anybody else, who took home the largest spiritual victory in the history of the planet. This is what was accomplished on the cross, and this is why Christianity is the truest religion on the planet, In Boyd's view.
In his sermon, Boyd proclaims, "War is not acceptable America! Hatred of gays is not the gospel! That's what Christ conquered. Our walk with Jesus is about social action and being 'counter cultural,' not political."
This view speaks to the majority of the liberal and counter-cultural evangelicals in our nation. (It's important that we recognize that not all Christians are conservative.) But even then, I cannot subscribe to any religion that attempts to assert itself as the only path to God.
Upon further examination, I believe there may be a deeper way to read the passage from Matthew – one that perhaps reveals Christ's esoteric teachings, and hence, a more rounded, more universal understanding of the Gospel.
I'm not a biblical scholar, but I'll give it a shot in the hopes that my reading might spark good conversation.
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In order to fully understand how the Christ energy worked in the exorcism of the mute demon from the book of Matthew, one should have experience with exorcisms of mute demons. This past December I experienced demonic possession in an Ayahuasca ceremony in Peru, my twelfth ceremony since my first vision of Christ in the jungle. The demonic posession involved, specifically, my old evangelical fear of hell and the devil.
It was my third year of working with Ayahuasca, and the lodge I first drank at had been rebuilt only an hour outside of Iquitos. Instead of a 24-hour boat ride downriver, I took an hour bus ride to the new jungle camp.
There were thirty of us in the mesa instead of the mere six that had been there when I had first drank. The amount of Westerners seeking medicinal Ayahuasca healing has grown exponentially in recent years, and I have met many people seeking healing from years of religious confusion spawned from evangelical Christianity.
As I scanned the mesa before the ceremony, I thought to myself, "All of you are going to be healed by the Ayahuasca." I could feel a bit of the old evangelical in me, thinking something pious like, "Ayahuasca will save you all…you just wait and see."
There was a full moon. It shone brightly and illuminated the ceremonial circle. As one of the shamans, Don Alberto, whistled an icaro into my cup of medicine, I began to feel queasy. I began to remember my fear of hell. My fear of damnation, both personal and collective. I drew a deep breath. I knew that Christianity was going to come up again in the cermeony, but I had no idea how deep the teaching would be.
After an hour into the ceremony, I was seeing snakes and jaguars, vines and plants. I could see the icaros, the medicine songs, floating in the air like serpetine bubbles, decorated with stars and diamonds. Then I saw the sky open above me. I saw the blackness painted purple, like a king or queen, and I saw an angel of death. It beckoned to me, as if to say, "die little one, let go." I tried to vomit into my bucket to get rid of the vision, but nothing came up. I pounded my fists on the ground, trying to make the fear go away. I spat. I tried to walk to the toilet, but I fell to the ground.
My body was posessed with fear. I could hear people all throughout the mesa crying and vomiting, some screaming. I could not speak. How long had it been since I last had a voice?
The scent of vomit wafted through the air, mingling with Alberto's mupacho smoke.
As I struggled on the floor, losing touch with physical reality, my joints moved in and out of their sockets. I saw shadow-wraiths moving through my limbs in the shadows cast through the mesa by the light of the moon. I was losing all sense of my body and my mind. I could not control my thoughts or my physical actions. Then I saw the death-angel fly into my stomach.
I began to seizure on the floor. My body was shaking so hard that I was propelling myself off from the wooden floor boards like a live-wire. In my head, like a hailstorm, the only cognizant thing I saw were memories of hell. Sermons on hell. Sinners in the hands of an angry god. Images of fire. Explosions. Black holes. Scolding myself. Scolding others. Burning my secular music collection.
Every memory swarmed around the fear that all of my best efforts, all of anyone's best efforts, might not be enough. In the end, damnation would take us. My fate was hell.
While I shook on the floor, a strange glossolalia released from my stomach. My voice, usually a tenor, became a bass, and I grunted in strange rhythms. I could not cry out for help. My voice was gone.
Alberto walked casually to where I struggled on the floor. He began performing a healing on me. He shook his chakapa in a circle around my head and annointed my crown with smoke.
Another shaman, Hamilton, said "You must know fear so that you will not be afraid of it. You must know confusion so you will not be confused by it. These are your demons, Adam. You have to own them, and then you'll come back to your body."
I was not there to respond in that moment. Though I heard the words of the shamans, I was lost. I did not know who I was or what was happening inside of me. I had no voice, and my normal sense of self was forgotten.
Finally, Alberto sang an Icaro that forced me to vomit several times, at which point the energies subsided.
Then, almost instantly, the craft of the healing was revealed in a teaching vision that came to me. I felt cradled. I could feel my body again. My muscles, my joints, my face. I remembered my name again – Adam. Here I am again.
Alberto sang a song calling in the "Christo" energy. I saw rainbow-colored dragonflies and golden moths descend from the rafters of the mesa. A temple filled with light manifested in front of me. And I understood that the demonic inside of me was being integrated, transformed, built into a beautiful temple of spirit. It had not been simply "cast out."
What had felt demonic inside of me did not feel "gone," but instead embraced and understood, able to be held in a new energetic space within my body. The demonic was not "bad" or "good." It was more like a birth canal, and it was fueled by the contractions of my fear, my resistance to change. It occurred to me that God is everything and that fear and spirit are one and the same thing. It turned out that there was nothing at stake, the whole time.
The mute demon inside of me had an identity, after all.
From the top of the golden temple there was a tube of rainbow colors shooting up like an arrow into space. And, like my first vision, I saw stars twinkling above. This time I did not see Jesus, but I felt his energy.
I understood that the Christ energy is all about saying "yes" to fear. Because what we say yes to can never be the actual fear. When we say yes to fear, we are only saying yes to integration, transformation and new life. This is why Christ took to the cross, and while he was on the cross, cried out, "Father, why have you forsaken me?" And then, "It is finished."
I sat near a lantern after the ceremony was over, until the sun came up the next morning. And while I sat, looking into the light of a tiny, steady flame, I saw myself more fully than ever. It turns out that my true name, like the true name of everything, is really simple: here I am.
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Returning to the exorcism from the book of Matthew:
I recognize that there are other passages in the synoptic Gospels where Christ directly casts demons out of people, as in the book of Matthew where he casts demons out of two men and into a herd of pigs – but my point should still be heard.
This point is not to say that all understandings of the shadow or the demonic are only internal. It is to suggest that there is room for both internal and external understandings of the demonic and also Satan, or evil.
In the passage from Matthew that involves the mute demon, I believe Christ was revealing one of his more esoteric teachings about the craft of a particular kind of healing.
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Greg Boyd sees the kingdom of Satan as something in complete opposition to the kingdom of God, but perhaps my old theology professor did not read the passage from Matthew with the appropriate assumption about the Kingdom of God. What if the kingdom of God is omnipresent and unified already, in and outside of time? What if, in one sense, there is no division in reality at all?
Perhaps Jesus understood a deeper level of logic: that dualism itself, in order to be consistent, must exist within a relationship to non-dualism. When Christ said that "every kingdom divided against itself will fall," maybe he was speaking esoterically. He could have been speaking to the Pharisees about the nature of exorcising a mute demon like mine.
Imagine that Jesus was saying that God, in "one" sense, is neverboth divided, and neither is his kingdom, which is all of reality. This implies that the mute demon from the book of Matthew was not "bad" or "good" but simply a divided state of consciousness that is both illusory and painful, real and false, simultaneously.
Christ then went on to say, "If I cast out the devil by the devil, then who do your people cast demons out by? They will be your judges." In other words, if Christ was casting out the devil by the devil, then he was performing quite the miracle, since it was a logical impossibility (according to the time-bound and dualistic logic of the Pharisees).
According to the Pharisees' logic, Christ's healing was more impressive than the exorcisms that they were performing. The Pharisees couldn't get the name of the mute demon because their logic didn't allow for it.
In the infinite sense of dualism and its inherent paradox, the Pharisees were only able to perform healings through the dualistic side of dualism and non-dualism. In his response to the Pharisees, maybe Christ was dishing out a mystical and rhetorical smack-down about the infinite, self enfolding nature of dualism.
Bam! Take that Pharisees.
Christ proclaims, "But if I cast out the devil by the spirit of God, then his kingdom has come upon you." In other words, in my own colloquial take, "I am naming the mute demon after my big Dad in the sky. Because that's how you handle mute demons. You integrate them isntead of casting them out."
Then Jesus says, "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? And then he will spoil his house."
Maybe Jesus was saying that there is good in the devil, there are spoils within the kingdom of the devil (there are treasures to be found in Satan's house), but first you have to bind the extreme idea that Satan and God stand in complete opposition to one another, entirely separate.
Only when this illusion is bound can the goods in the kingdom of Satan be distributed. I believe this was Jesus's most esoteric teaching on the nature of exorcising a mute demon. He was teaching people about the craft of healing and medicine. I believe this to be true because the demons that were exorcised from my body were not cast out. They were integrated after the shamans named them. They named the demonic pure Christos, the annointed one within.
Once you see Christos energy in a mute demon, you have the true name of the demon, because you have the true name of the eternal self, the great "I AM."
Greg Boyd assumes that Christ came to assassinate Satan, as if Satan is an evil entity who exists in complete opposition to God. But by making this heavy-handed distinction the underpinning of Christ's death on the cross, I believe that Boyd places too much emphasis on the power of the crucifixion as a "once and for all" destruction of the kingdom of the devil (which stands entirely separate from God's kingdom).
In this sense, Boyd might be idolizing the historical person of Christ. He might be idolizing the cross, when perhaps Christ's most powerful message was to remind us that we are all Christ, we are all annointed ones, and we all have a cross to bear – even if you're not a "Christian" (or Jew).
We can easily remember that Christ did not teach Peter to bow down to him. Jesus didn't instruct Peter to use the canonical Bible (which wasn't even around) to logically demonstrate the dualistic nature of Satan versus God in order to perform miracles or exorcisms. Instead, he told Peter to see that there was no division between his feet and the water. He taught Peter to walk on water. And if Peter really got up and walked on water, then maybe Peter sank when he began to see himself as separate again. In that sense, maybe Peter was incarnating the dualistic side of dualism and non-dualism, so he sank.
Sometimes its good to just come right out and say it … so I will. I appreciate the biblical texts. I know it's not popular, but I do. And I wonder if the biblical texts are shunned because of the way they, too, like Christ and the cross, have been largely idolized in the evangelical churches? Evangelicals claim that the Bible, put together during political upheaval in Rome, excluding and even killing the mystics and their teachings (among others), is infallible. But the Bible is not an infallible book. It is a collection of 66 books by over 40 different authors on 3 different continents, written over 1,500 years and in 3 different languages.
The truth is, for as powerful as Christ's message was, I feel as though he'd be the first to say that many "Christs" came before him, and many would come after him whose power would be equal or greater than his own. Should we even assume that Christ would be a Christian today?
Before he left the planet, Christ suggested in the book of John that, "You will do greater things than I have done in my name." Lest we forget that his true name was not Jesus, but "I am."
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Of course, when I heard Boyd's sermon about Satan and his idea of the "Christus Victor" theory of atonement, the old evangelical inside of me leapt up into the air. Finally!, I thought, someone in the Christian community is taking a leap of faith. Finally the evolution of consciousness is coming to the church.
Moving away from the penal substitution view is a large theological step, and we should be happy that evangelicals are opening up to new readings of the gospels. Christianity, according to Boyd and Christus Victor, is no longer about saying a simple prayer and being "saved" from your sins. We should admire that there are evolutions of consciounsess happening in the evangelical community. And I admire that he preached against the politicization of the Gospel. I admire that he lost those angry members, yet gained a new flock of minorities.
But if I could go back and say one thing to my old professor, as an adult man having experienced an exorcism, having drank Ayahuasca, and having felt the Christ energy in the visionary space, I would ask if perhaps Christ's last desire, after his his death and rebirth, now, today, would be to have his historical persona exorcised from Christianity, to have Christianity itself crucified.
I wonder if Jesus wouldn't have seen a "mute demon" in the evangelical church that's been set up in his name.
But, then, what's in a name anyway?
How many members would someone like my old theology professor lose if he drank Ayahuasca, or crucified his Christianity, and who would come in the doors afterwards?
Greg Boyd's blog can be found here. You can also check out an audio file of Boyd's "Christus Victor" sermon cited in this essay, attached below.
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Thanks for sharing this
VERY powerful sharing of Ayahuasca experience!
Hello,
I really enjoyed your sharing of your Ayahuasca experience!
You describe it so powerfully!
(ps--your attachement doesn't seem to work)
christian religion
Christian ,is a word that is fraught with deceit and dread, it carries baggage that has a price to reap on the earth.There is Christ consciousness, but does this have anything to do with Christianity? I' t seems that the author of this book 'The Myth' is attempting to reevaluate the fake people that use the bible to help corporations get rich on war, and take away common sense( as in the Thomas Paine version) and good sense.Need i speak to how corrupt this is? As far as getting Christian conditioning, out of one's system, obviously Ayahuasca is a great way to clean that mind control right out.
One has to also pull it out by the roots.So take a root and pull it out by the roots of its duality and resentment of anyone that doesn't want to have a religious lobotomy. Liberation theology, is one of the threads of sanity that has been attempting to confront the destructive way religion allows for dictators and oppression. Martin Luther King, was a voice for sanity that turns the bible language inside out, and finds the good there, where it hides in some little hut with a candle. And of course reading Nietzsche is a great way to purge, but you have to be willing to really wrap yourself around his language and follow through, this would also mean reading other philosophers in order to see how Nietzsche differed and went a step further.
I think it is very important to bare witness, to what transforms the horrible crust of lies and distortion, that passes for religion, the mind cult of making people so crushed that they can't tell a bible thumping monster from a child rape priest, see the male dominant paradigm meme, that perpetuates a mind set that would destroy the world to spite their faces, is this the face of Christ?
the one that we have plastered over out shrinking third eyes? How long do we have to wallow in the split in the human psyche? Why do the most intelligent people that came out of christain backgrounds, see a evolution of the language, and can see nature as not the enemy?And when will science come full circle so we can have done once and for all with superstition as political policy, and science devoid of nature must shine a light on its own christian-religion like lack of true connection with all that beathes life in the force of life, the life force.
also we can look to see the language that was spoken back in the time of which Jesus was to have walked the earth, like the word EVE, translated from the Aramaic.
Oh and Adam. We truely seem to be at the bottom of the iron age, when religious zealot rage is a like fungus, a mental disease, and or the last of the locked and loaded DNA.
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Wow, that was seriously awesome. I so respect your interpretation of the biblical text and the nature of Christ. This touches on so many honest points which are essential for ALL of us, religious or not to confront.
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Satan was Gods favorite angle but he only wanted to serve God and no one else, his EGO was what made him turn EVIL.
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We are totally having an integrated experience of dark and light, and its okay- arriving in that knowing is humbling ourselves to our true nature and feeling drawn or compelled toward the light.
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..the light of Christ, he who came to heal, and heal is what we are here to do after all, in the name of our truth, Jesus gave us a model of whats possible.
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I so feel like I understand the sacred vine even a few feet deeper and a few inches higher after reading this piece.
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Thank you, or rather, I honor you and what you channel, I have it to and aspire to understanding and teaching it to others as you do.
'I don't idolize you, I love you.I am you.'
~AYDRA J~
American vs. International evangelicals
I have often wondered why many Americans despise christians, I may think they have an inaccurate picture of Jesus but I see no reason to despise them. Reading this and after watching the movie "Jesus camp" -which I add was possibly the scariest and most shocking thing I have ever beheld- I have realized that North American Christian evangelicals are quite different from those in the rest of the world. Whenever I hear the word evangelical I think of progressive christians similar to and often "better" than Greg Boyd, who are I am glad to say the great majority Christians here in the UK and in the other countries I have lived in. It appears the American christians are finally catching up. It's nice to see the changing consciousness manifesting even in such delusional beliefs.
The Wounded Grizzly
Throughout history these religions have sought to control the masses through fear and munipulation. David was a king that had a bunch of wives and went to battle a lot. His God kills a alot. Jesus was a kind man that tried to show the people that the big institutions that seek to control them through spiritual munipulation should be done away with... His God killed him. And Mohammad... Man say one wrong thing about this guy God and his followers come after you with strap ons.
It doesn't take a drug to finally notice that you been had. It takes the world as it is. God is so behemouth that to even begin to dwell on it only must bring one to the simplicity of it all... you just have to leave that alone. And the Spirit of God is the I am interwoven and connected through all. The world is our mother in which we walk the road in Human form... why? To carry on...
Just to carry on. No rewards and no eternal punishment. What happens when we die? Been there last year for a moment... it was a good sleep... but if it would have been longer I believe I would have just entered the other side where the spirits are.
You know I read these posts and I see a common thread of mental disorders until people finally let go of these God of Abraham religions or when they tone them down. The true God isn't part of any holy book... Like I said he's just too big to fit in there.
The cross is really four paths from the center that you can walk... The Healer, The Visionary, The Warrior, The Teacher. Place all materialistic needs to the sides and begin learning on one path... come back to your center every now and them and take another. You don't need drugs. Just a prayer to the Great Spirit... be kind to mother earth... and the creator will always create and uncreate and create weather we like it or not.
The Wounded Grizzly? There is something bigger to this... I just feel it. No need for nothing but a simple prayer and willingness to journey. Keep your eyes open.
Chow and another good read
After reading this Today is part of forever.
My God
evangelicals
'I would ask if perhaps
'I would ask if perhaps Christ's last desire, after his his death and rebirth, now, today, would be to have his historical persona exorcised from Christianity, to have Christianity itself crucified.'
I can't help agreeing,
I came across this -
'13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? 16 “Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.
17 “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
18 “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
19 “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. 20 “You shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” 21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone to battle,
“This is the statute of the law which the LORD has commanded Moses:
22 only the gold and the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin and the lead, 23 everything that can stand the fire, you shall pass through the fire, and it shall be clean, but it shall be purified with water for impurity. But whatever cannot stand the fire you shall pass through the water. 24 “And you shall wash your clothes on the seventh day and be clean, and afterward you may enter the camp.”'
http://bible.cc/numbers/31-17.htm
What kind of 'religion' is that?
It sounds like Moses had a severe mental problem.
All that Mosos stuff...
And with the story of Mohammad I believe he had scribes that were there but angels came from heaven and cleaned his intestines... it's all too weird for me. You could have the God of Abraham he's a nutjob.
Today is part of forever.
the Bible
in a pile of old leaves,
it is a heap of lies,
it is a stack of lack,
its a code of mojo, and mumbo jumbo, made into clay
the day it was made on that wine press, the grapes of wrath dripped into ink, and we did drink there of
but where is the love, above or below?
reapin it so reapin it so I am
it is a track of footsteps,
leading to the mountain,
of junk DNA,
where the WORD,
glows, and the wild flowers of the field grow,
it is grain of sand, that holds eternity in its eye,
it all began in that grain of truth, tooth be told,
a sky for a sky, an earth for an earth,
"for whats it worth"
The Christ Conciousnes and Ayahuasca
that's cool
Hmmm... you're right cj
I took a walk in the rain,
a swirling small snake wrapped
around my finger,
dripping unfurled stood the flags
of a church,
black crow on the one with the keys
wet it flew to the very tip of the chapel, pausing cawing four loud caws stunned me,
for meaning I first and unclearly
feared mortal death,
quickly I departed from under
a long and wide canopy,
lightening to the thought
that death brings renewal,
more shall be,
I think of a reading
places of honor,
humbled there is now
a place for my prayers,
exulting only a heart that bears
a heart of a Christ
in all and eternal
I believe this may be the time
I hope in it a meaning that brings life
and honor to more known,
renewed by a lowly crow that flew to the pinnacle of a heart’s rooftop,
cawing four caws
sending me in search of a more
with a snake wrapped around my finger.
i'm right
i remember being raised as a catholic, i remember sitting in a church and looking at all the people under the steple, and the smells of the pews, and the inside of the confession booth, bless me!
for i was not born in original sin.
reminds me of a scene in my novel, when i was on LSD, and a jesus freak came up to me on the street, and i was in a particularily sensitive moment, you see, and this dood comes over and asked me is if knew jesus, or one of those come ons, that jesus freaks use, i looked up at the sky, and i looked down at the ground, i was thinking of airplanes droping naplam in Vietnam, and i looked at the JC dood, and i replied, something like, "not lately" i was having a flashback, and i told him to look for another sheep.
and you really have that poet's
Hamilton
> Burning my secular music
> Burning my secular music collection.
Talk about hell! This was a fun article--I am glad that you wrote it and shared your thoughts. Thanks, David S
Thank you
I will not waste more words trying to describe how full of meaning and grace this article was. Thank you.
> "He never judges anything."
I thought i was above all this, being a son of a Lutheran pastor, knowing it all too well. Recently, reading the glossary of "A Course in Miracles" i realized i had enough guilt inside of me to make a dam burst.
> "We should seek a spirited debate with evangelicals as we attempt to create a more unified spiritual community on our planet"
My first reaction to this sentence was: "No, that would be waste of time. These people base their entire identities on their holiness. It's their protection mechanism against the mad world, thus they are mad beyond cure by debate." Then again, how should we make contact with them if not through debate? How to communicate with them, i hope Tolle's books are of some help.
My first spiritual teacher said she thought that "Jesus was a failed experinment". I never managed to accept her view. Now i see that maybe it was failed only because we failed to embrace it :)
- The flap of a butterfly's wings in the Atlantic may cause it to fly -
"Now i see that maybe it was failed
only because we failed to embrace it"
failed to embrace it? what is it? do we even speak it?
it was spoken in words that were from another language, if you translate it, now what is it? DNA? miracles? some community of the people? some very human, all too human, person, persons that got some people to live by some words that spoke to their hearts? Or the language that the "Good Book" puts in code?
why is it all hidden? why are the most "true Believers, spelt with a capital B, the most impossible to reason with, so religion, has beccome this.The split, the rift, the rent, the tare, the rip, off.
And maybe the best way to begin is to lose your religion.
Soter, not Savior
your face
Adam E.
Hi Adam,
you have seen me on another thread, as a grumpy old man, but after reading your article, I have a chance to redeem myself.
Cit Adam: "The Good News of the Gospel, in my opinion, is that oneness or void, emptiness or even meaninglessness, perhaps paradoxically are not always negative or undesirable states of being. This understanding started with my first vision of Christ, in Peru during an Ayahuasca ceremony."
This is exactly what my own map and my 'spiritual experience' has shown me also, and for me it's no problem, when you later say: "........it was possible to be "christ-like" without being a "Christian." Even if it possible, that JC never existed, it doesn't diminish the principles involved; it's the actual, personal and experienced CONTENT, which matters. Not the packaging.
Cit: "We should seek a spirited debate with evangelicals as we attempt to create a more unified spiritual community on our planet – a community that includes all of the many avatars that have walked the earth, not just Jesus."
If you can hang on to that, I do not see any communication-problems. Being a syncretist, I seek inspiration, where I can find it. You and I probably have some 'theological' differences, but I do not find them impossible to bridge. I have a 40 year deep friendship with a person, who for years have been a quite enthusiastic buddhist (which I'm not), and the discussions we've had have always been very useful for me.
On more general terms, I can say, that I (apart from your christian background) have gone through a developement similar to yours. Starting with mind-expanding drugs in the 1960's, and then gradually turning into more traditional, non-chemical ways. I believe drugs are very effective for taking away blinkers of all kinds, but I do not believe, that the final answers can be found there. Partly the drugs will not 'clean the slate' completely, what is experienced with drugs will still contain aspects of your former belief-system(s). And partly (it is my impression) drugs function by using some special kind of energy in us, which will be exhausted after a while. The traditional methods are in the long run slower, but we can recharge as we go along.
I'm rather convinced, that we share this planet (maybe universe) with beings different from ourselves. That most westeners can't percieve them, doesn't prove or disprove anything. When using drugs we start to see these entities, really being there, but at the same time we ALSO hallucinate periodically, lifting out things from our belief-systems or giving the new perceptions a form, which we can understand.
I have been in situations, where I (without or without drugs) have seen this hidden parts of life, and my personal experience is, that I must be very careful about, what I conclude from this. For me it's rather important to keep clarity in such situations. We are standing in front of new dimensions, and I feel it is a waste to start by making new belief-systems based on the new experiences. It's better to get to know the new areas in an unbiased way.
You later turn to 'dualism', a subject close to my heart. For the duration I am a convinced dualist, but it is a position, which maybe will change in the end. For I believe, that this question never can be completely answered on a theoretical level. It's something deeply embedded out in reality. And I have only seen a small part of reality yet, as I guess the majority of us here have.
thanks bogomil
I have been pondering this issue lately without the feeling of progress. Like I'm stuck in a hole. Ayahuasca feels medicinal, but I'm also starting to wonder at what point the student says, "I get it" to the teacher? Get what? I mean. I have no idea.
But I've been practicing meditation and yoga, etc, for about a year or so now, and am wondering if psychedelics, or even Ayahuasca, are still an integral part of my journey.
After three years of ceremonies, about 20 some, I feel like I've been given a stack of homework, really enough to last a lifetime. I don't have any bad feelings about psychedelics or Ayahuasca. Nothing like that. But I wonder if the point isn't, at some point, to walk the path without them.
For example. In the Peruvian traditions I work with the people only visit a curandero once in a great while, if they are really sick. So Ayahusaca is literally like the spiritual antibiotic.
After all these ceremonies, I don't feel sick! But then, there's no denying I learn more when I drink. So it's hard to say. I'd be curious to hear more of your thoughts Bogomil.
Adam Elenbaas
Recreating reality.
Hi Adam,
my own theoretical startingpoint/map is somewhere between the buddhistic 'buddha-nature' and this something called the 'essense' (which with some re-adjusting almost could be the christian 'soul').
I have to some degree experienced, what my map says.
This essense/buddha-nature is, even in a state of enlightenment, still individualised, but also with the mystic's feeling of one-ness with the void.
As always it's difficult to transfer the mystical experience to normal language, but my experience has been, that even in the void, there are differences (=individuality), but with a completely new structure.
An existential form, which is so unfamiliar to our normal life, that we at first glance see the void as 'empty'; but as we get more used to it, new perceptions and a new kind of structure turns up and can be experienced.
Through a somewhat personal and complex belief-system, I have the idea, that this new 'spiritual' perception method is something we must build up ourselves from an inner kernel. As you would make a seed grow, by giving it water, nourishment and warmth.
So it's neither the christian 'grace' recieved by asking for it, nor the buddhistic nirvana automatically turning up in the vacum left by a stilled 'ego'.
By using drugs we can find insight and motivation to start this process of nurturing our spiritual 'seed', but a long period with drug-using will not create the proper nourishment. The seed will start growing, but will possibly wither after some time. With the lack of avatars around where I live, I have been forced to make it a trial-and-error process to find proper spiritual nourishment, and I've occasionally done some pretty stupid things along the way. (And still am).
To compress my map, I could say, that the universe (including humans) is made up of reality, but reality, which has been twisted into a disharmonic form. We can still use the 'bits', but it's our own job to put them together in a reality-oriented form.
Sorry if this sounds like nonsense. I could explain all the steps to this, but it would include a couple of pages with esoteric religion, quantum-physics, psychology and epistemology, so for now consider it just one man's opinion, open for criticism.
Christ-oil
"Christ is a universal symbol, for healing, and so is the snake."Nice one cj.
Too many snakes peddling christ-oil. After 2000 years of christian oppression. Its no wonder the world is the way it is. Nazi's occupy Palestine etc etc.I might never get to ride my donkey naked through the streets of Galilee.Oh well ....mus'nt grumble.
ah taking the metaphor
Idioteque
Adam, I appreciate not only your incredible gift of articulation but also your authenticity as you share where you are at in your personal journey. I was wondering if you would be willing to entertain some questions that have arisen while reading your article.
You state that "The Good News of the Gospel, in my opinion, is that oneness or void, emptiness or even meaninglessness, perhaps paradoxically are not always negative or undesirable states of being"And in one of your accounts of your experiences with Ayahuasca you claim that you heard the message that, "Our father is the only one who has the right to judge anything." "And he never does. He never judges anything."
My question then is that with this emphasis on oneness and the belief that all paths lead to the divine mystery, why do you feel the need to critique Boyd and other “Christians” (whatever that means) who practice an exclusive religion? If indeed the divine father “never judges anything” and the duality between good and evil is an illusion, why do you take the time to “judge” those who are judgmental? Why bother exorcising Christ from Christianity?
You state “I cannot subscribe to any religion that attempts to assert itself as the only path to God”. In this statement are you not yourself being “exclusive” in excluding those who follow religions that claim to be the only way? It seems like you are running the risk of becoming the oppressor that you are running from. But, then again, Opressor…Victim…I guess it’s all in how you look at it right?
Sincerely,
AP
“It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds” – Doc Hollywood, Tombstone
great response Arthur
This is a really great challenge, and I'm excited to respond as thoughtfully as I can.
My point is not to suggest that Boyd is wrong and I am right. I respect Boyd's ability to claim right and wrong with absolute authority.
I just happen to think that his absolute authority is absolutely relative, and I also think that I have an absolute claim to make that might work better.
In my vision when Jesus spoke to me, he made it clear that God doesn't judge anything, and that includes judgment itself.
The hardest part about this for me is to have this conversation on an intellectual level. The intellectual level, to me, is the head disconnected from the heart. Which is why I'm excited to "feel" this comment. It "feels" like its coming from someone who loves me. I "feel" that in the words.
Which makes the discussion itself, both fruitful and fruitless (hence the paradox that I am trying to not only articulate but incarnate, every, single, day).
I think that many Christians separate their head from their heart when they start trying to "figure out" why they are "the best" religion. I saw very clearly that when I was trying to "Save" other people in the name of "Jesus" that I was not honoring the energy at the center of Jesus Christ's message of love (which is absolutely non judgmental).
But I think there is so much more room for people in these communities to explore what it means, and mostly what it "feels" like, to incarnate higher and higher degrees of loving consciousness. Jesus did not walk this earth seeing his name and his religion in all things.
He saw love in all things, and the degree to which his very existence was a manifestation of that love was very, very high. He saw love in religions that were not "his." He would have been the first to tell you that he did not "own" anything, especially not the exclusive right to love or religion.
When I met him in this first vision my sense was that he would laugh if you told him he was the best manifestation of this love when he was a human being.
Either that or he might get stern with you and do some serious healing (depends on the situation, but he had a sense of humor the size of Venus).
My point is that Christians, like Boyd, who claim that the only way to this love is through Jesus the person and his historical religion, they are, in one sense, totally missing the point of Christ's message.
This is because in order to separate the good from the bad, they use the head. My article is suggesting that Christ used both the head and the heart, both the dualism and the non-dualism, and one was never "better" than the other. He learned when it felt right to use dualism or nondualism, or both
(This is what made him an incredible healer. Spend time with shamans, and I can almost promise you would agree.)
Both serve their purpose in and outside of time. Does that mean Christians are "wrong?" No, I don't think so.
Wrong about what? Wrong in some eternal sense? Going to a different kind of hell that I've arranged because I'm pissed off at the church and want to send all evangelicals to my own imagined hell?
Hell no. :-)
I don't worry for Boyd or for evangelicals in some eternal sense. If they needed anything, ever, they would not exist. We need nothing. And let me tell you how much room there is in my heart and soul for that statement to be more than just "talk."
Just saying that "I don't need anything," I can guarantee you that I will manifest a situation that will test my ability to hold that wisdom, in a body with an ego.
The degree to which I cannot hold that wisdom is evidence of how God corrects my arrogance or my fear, every day, evidence of how my spirit is evolving.
Christ's last two statements were "Why have you forsaken me," and "It is finished."
The intersection of the beams on the cross, upwards, and horizontal, perfectly depicting the unbearably terrifying and unbearably beautiful intersection between life in dualism and life in non-dualism.
When someone comes along and says "I'm right and you're wrong," and they want me to engage in a spiritual battle over it, I am sometimes inclined to fight that battle (as nobly as I know how). Why? Because if I win, then I get the biggest gift ever: the satisfaction of watching my opponent realize that their was nothing at stake in his loss, watching him realize that he beat himself. And if I lose, I lose nothing (watch me get beat down over that one, too).
In other words, if I win they get to see a radically bigger understanding of forgiveness and love. Like Luke Skywalker going in to FACE HIS FOE (the devil, Darth Vader, which is also, voila, his father).
Yoda tells him that he will not need weapons, but he doesn't listen. When he cracks off Vader's helmet, he sees his own face. Christianity, in my humble opinion, is inside of the cave with a light-saber (at its evangelical worst).
Notice that Yoda did two things. He instructed Luke not to bring the weapons. He warned him. But then he let Luke go inside anyway. He wasn't worried for him. And when Luke came out, he wasn't angry, or arrogant either. Yoda was christ-like with Luke. I'd be lying if I said that this article is anything than less than my best yoga mimic. My experience with shamanism has shown me that the archetype of yoda and Christ shares much with shamanic traditions.
Maybe that's arrogant, or maybe it's so terribly ironic that you can't stand it and think I'm a hypocrite. You are the judge because you are God.
The degree to which we understand, and know, not just intellectually, but experientially, the value of freedom and eternity, is the degree to which we can experience both beauty and fear, is the degree to which we can understand our own birthright as Gods and Goddesses (as Kierkegaard wrote about in Fear and Trembling).
From where I'm sitting, I get the feeling that a lot of Christians think that something pretty big is at stake depending on what we do with an 80 year life in a body.
It's ironic, to me, that their idea of hell after death is creating hell for them now. It's ironic to me that their idea of original sin is like the single biggest sickness on the planet, creating so much of the rest of our problems.
It's sometimes even troubling to me because I am still softening the scar tissue of the time I spent in the hell of that consciousness structure. And having seen what comes next, after life, having talked to Christ, it feels so natural for me to be like, "Guys, it's Ok, wait until you see what's next. I can tell you what it is. It's life. Just like you're alive right now!"
But now that I understand that life is eternal, and there's nothing I can do about it, there's no way I can "accept" it.
The intellectual point is easier. Dualism, in order to be consistent, must exist within a dualistic relationship to non-dualism, ad infinitum. Intellectually I have a beef because scholars like Boyd use a limited and inconsistent form of logic to support a limited and inconsistent religion that often hurts other people.
And is there irony here? There's irony everywhere.
I often see Christianity as the light side of dark. What's more ironic than that?
Neither logic nor religion are necessary, until they are.
And even then, with any luck, softly.
Adam Elenbaas
The Great Santini
Adam, you are at least right about one thing…these words are full of love.
You peak my curiosity Adam, I am fascinated by your way of thinking.
I was at Caribou coffee today and saw a man that I remembered seeing last week around the same time. The man, with some graying hair in about his late forties/early fifties, was sitting at a table with three dice (di?), rolling them over and over again, occasionally stopping to go outside and have a smoke on his pipe. My curiosity grew so enormous that I went up to him and asked him what he was doing. He seemed startled that I actually took an interest in his activity and fumbled with his words before telling me that he was rolling the di to see if he could get a certain sequence…1-1-1. And now he was trying to get 1-2-2. “Are you seeing how many times you can get a certain sequence?” I asked.
“No”.
“Is this a game or some type of experiment or research you are doing?”
“I study algebra and geometry, but not calculus, I never studied calculus”
“Yeah, I never studied calculus either in High School, I just did geometry and algebra. This looks like it would be a job for Calculus though, to calculate all of these numbers”
“I only studied algebra and geometry” he mumbled. Then we introduced ourselves, I said I hoped to see him around again and I went on my merry way.
The reason I bring this story up is that I feel the same curiosity regarding you and your thought. I am simply fascinated. It is so foreign to me that I just have to go over to your table and ask you what you are up to. I also find the same question that I asked the old man reverberating in my head wanting to be asked of you. Why? What is the purpose? You see, I have this theory in my head that every human being longs for purpose (I have many such theories). I don’t understand how with this dualism/non-dualistic dualism (☺) there can be a coherent purpose? (Other than simply being aware of the dualistic/non-dualistic dualism. I don’t think that would cut it for me.)I would be curious to hear your thoughts on what gives you a sense of purpose? Or if you think we don’t need one? (I have utmost confidence that you can fully explain this small cosmic question ;) )
Love,
AP
P.S. To my knowledge, in Kierkegaard’s Fear and Trembling, I don’t believe he mentions anything about our own deification or “recognizing our birthright as Gods and Godesses” but he asserts the paradox that, “the single individual as the single individual stands in an absolute relation to the absolute.” Which seems to denote two distinct identities? If otherwise, please advise.
P.P.S. I also have this strange urge to recommend that you read the Epilogue to Fear and Trembling but I have no idea why…So, take that for what it’s worth?
P.P.P.S. I will have more questions later and try to interact more with your last post when I have time.
great response arthur
I absolutely love your Caribou story. I was right there with you. I used to work at a Caribou.
There's so much sincerity held inside of your words.
Kierkegaard's statement is important to sit with.
You are right to observe that there are two separate entities implied in the passage, but there's even more.
"An individual as an individual." Sit with that.
An individual can be so much more than an individual. Which is exactly the point Jesus made.
Most individuals experience God as an individual. In other words, dualism (the individual) exists in an absolutely relative relationship to non-dualism (the absolute).
Think about it like this. You can engage with any system, any thought, any concept, any experience, in an infinite number of ways. And each one of those experiences is available by your choice.
Once engaged with that system, you will be living within the limits, rules, and gnosis OF that system. It will be an absolute experience.
Experience itself, in other words, IS absolute. And the ability that experience has to engage with other absolute experiences, is infinite.
The very act of will and of choice is an assertion of relativity (choice) and determinism (Action itself).
These two things, pulling and pushing each other, are the ground of being. All things rise from this paradox.
Jesus was nailed down on this paradox. He was an individual as an individual, and he was an individual. For there to be an individual, truly, there can be nobody else (non-dualism), but the paradox suggests that the individual must become an individual AS an individual (God becoming man/dualism).
God in his wholeness, spawns his own separation, back and forth, back and forth, in and out, the breath of god, yah, and breathing out, weh.
Jesus message on the cross: surrender into that paradox fully, and you will be one with your father. You'll be breathing eternal life.
Equally radical was his resurrection. Because it said, "death before life and life before death" (alpha/omega).
This is why prophets spoke in crazy visions. The only way you can get someone to feel better, to get out of hell right now, is to take them into realms of paradox until their sense of urgency fades away.
There is no such thing as time. Think of what that does to the concept of an "afterlife." Think of how that changes someones experience not later---but NOW.
On the other hand, time can often be useful.
When its useful, its absolutely useful. Because its functioning AS useful. When it's not useful, then its absolutely not useful. Because its functioning as something that isn't useful."
Knowing when something will be functional and when something will not be functional, and how to use the variety of absolute systems, in a relative way, can be the path of the healer/shaman, or it can be the path of the brujo/dark warrior.
I explore these realms because I bring back teachings from them, and I learn how and when to use absolute concepts and systems in order to heal and create balance in people whose relationships to God are feeling dis-ease.
To me, its a shame that the church is so limited in their exploration of these realms.
So when you say you were curious about the man's purpose in Caribou, my sense is that you are curious about your own, and maybe you should let that go.
Your desire to find that man's purpose, or to give him purpose, is usually going to be reflective of a curiosity you hold for your own spiritual growth.
On the other hand, if the purpose theory is serving you, then run with it.
I simply resist the idea that a book or a law, written down, codified, institutionalized, etc, is the "only" way to practice discernment. I think my heart is far smarter, and I listen to it just like Jesus did.
When I take my heart and its wisdom with me, I can go into anywhere in the entire infinite and be at home. Because my heart is my temple, and God dwells there with me.
Sometimes I see my journey as learning to let my inner temple grow bigger and bigger, until it expands beyond my individual self, past my body, until I am seeing the temple in the waves, and walking on the water.
We can do greater things than Jesus. Nobody seems to believe that.
Adam Elenbaas
Satan and God
Who Really Was Jesus?
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-I-Never-Knew/dp/031021923X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF...