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If you want to know what a dream shaman of the West would be like, consider Carl Jung, as he is now revealed in his Red Book. He harvested the material for The Red Book -- which, with its fine calligraphy and vivid illustrations and decorative features, resembles a medieval illuminated manuscript -- from the journals and "black books" he kept during the years of his "confrontation with the unconscious," when he walked the razor's edge between madness and genius. As he describes it, the "spirit of the depths" ripped him out of the comfortable, rational assumptions of the "spirit of our times" and dragged him, night after night, through the terrifying stages of Underworld initiation.

The Red Book is not for the fainthearted. Yes, there are passages of incandescent beauty, perhaps beautiful beyond any others in his writings. There are also vertiginous falls into places of rank terror and screaming madness. In my own reading, there was a moment when I wanted to throw the book violently across the room -- and may well have done so, except that the book is the size and weight of a tombstone, and I feared breakages.

In a crater in a dark and terrifying world below, where black snakes threaten to destroy a red sun, he meets the prophet Elijah and his "daughter" Salome, the evil beauty responsible for the decapitation of the biblical John the Baptist. Salome tells Jung -- to his amazement and confusion -- that they are brother and sister, the children of Mother Mary. Disbelieving and fearing for his sanity, Jung yells at her that she and the Elijah figure are only "symbols." Elijah reproves him, saying, "We are just as real as your fellow men. You solve nothing by calling us symbols." Jung's Elijah also instructs him that "your thoughts are just as much outside your self as trees or animals are outside the body."14

While he is trying to continue to lead a normal life as a prominent psychoanalyst and the father of five children, Jung's sense of reality is shaken by the raw power of his night visions, and by synchronistic phenomena during his days, when he feels the forces of a deeper world pushing through. In December 1913, in a well-cut suit, he gives a polished lecture to the Zurich Psychoanalytical Society. Three nights later, he tells Elijah, "It seems to me as if I were more real here" -- in the Underworld -- "yet I do not like to be here."15

Jung goes through hell. He converses with a Red Devil. He battles with a Bull God and shrinks him to the size of an egg he can fit in his pocket, then raises up the old horned god again. He howls to a dead moon and a dark sea about combining good and evil, but he doesn't trust his own shouting.

He comes to a library inside a castle in a creepy forest swamp, hoping for a place of sanctuary and reflection. When the librarian asks him to choose the book that he wants, to their mutual surprise he names The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis, a medieval favorite. Again and again, we notice that this desperate traveler is in his Middle Ages; he turned forty a few months earlier. He debates with the librarian what it would mean to imitate Christ today. He decides that since Christ imitated no one, this would mean going his own way and paying the full price for creating in a way that no one before him has mapped or trodden.

He finds his way to a kitchen attached to the library and converses with a plump, matronly cook. There's a great stir in the air, and a host of the restless dead come flying through, yelling about going to Jerusalem. He demands to know why these dead are not at rest, and their leader tells Jung that he must explain that to them. Jung tells the dead that they can't rest, because of what they failed to do in their lives. The dead clutch at him, and he shouts, "Let go, daimon, you did not live your animal" -- by which he means the instinctive, natural life of the senses.

The noise of this altercation is so loud the police come and carry him away to a madhouse, where a little fat professor diagnoses "religious madness" after the briefest of interviews. "You see, my dear, nowadays the imitation of Christ leads to the madhouse."

He is confined in a room between two other patients, one sunk in lethargy, the other with a fast-shrinking brain. He compares himself to Christ crucified between two thieves, one of whom will go up, the other down. His mind turns on the problem of dealing with the dead, whose number, the kitchen scene taught him, is vaster than he had known -- "the dead...have fluttered through the air and lived like bats under our roofs from time immemorial." This will require "hidden and strange work," but it is not clear how he can do this from his confinement.

He listens to a voice praising madness, a voice he identifies as his soul: "Madness is a special form of the spirit and clings to all teachings and philosophies, but even more to daily life, since life itself is illogical."

In the night, everything in his room heaves in black billows. The walls become terrible waves. He finds himself now in the smoking room of a great ocean liner, where the little fat professor reappears in beautiful clothes and offers him a drink while telling him he is utterly mad and must be committed. The torpid neighbor from his room reappears and announces he is Nietzsche, and also the Savior.

"This is the night in which all the dams broke,...where the stones turned into serpents, and everything living froze." Back in his locked room at the madhouse, he struggles with entangling webs of words and ideas. He has said to himself, "Do not turn anything you do into a law, since that is the hubris of power." Yet he finds himself pronouncing one law of life after another, in the mode of Nietzsche, the identity claimed by the madman on his left side.

He cannot tell whether it is day or night when he hears a roaring wind and then sees a great wall of darkness advancing on him. "A gray worm of twilight crawls along it. It has a round face and laughs." He opens his eyes and looks up into the jolly round face of the cook. "You're a sound sleeper," she tells him. "You've slept for more than an hour."

Jung thinks he is awake, but of course he is still in a dream and far from his physical home. Unlike those clichéd stories in which the impossible is explained, and the action resolved, when a sleeper wakens from a dream, this is just one awakening within a vast, rushing, inescapable dream.

The moment when I was close to chucking The Red Book across the room came at the point where Jung describes how he was compelled by a woman who called herself his soul to eat part of the liver of a murdered girl.16  I was revulsed, almost gagging. And I forced myself to read on, to go every step with Jung on his frightful shamanic journey through the many cycles of the Netherworld.

As Jung confessed, anyone reading the last chapters of "Liber Primus," the first part of The Red Book, out of context might conclude that the author was crazy. Brilliant and erudite, but crazy. Yet from such perilous adventures out there beyond the roped-in precinct of sanity, Jung derived his ideas about "psychological objectivity," one of the most stimulating elements in his later work. From his dialogues with his dream characters and his efforts to integrate and balance the powers that moved with them, he developed his practice of active imagination. He told the Dutch poet Roland Holst that he developed his work Psychological Types from thirty pages of his Red Book,17 apparently the pages in which the encounters with Elijah and Salome take place and in which -- after Jung has been squeezed by a giant black snake until the blood gushes out of him and his head has become that of a lion -- Salome tells him, "You are Christ."18

Looking back on this episode in his inner and transpersonal life in 1925, from across the divide of the catastrophic Great War, which some of his visions had foreshadowed, Jung told a seminar: "You cannot get conscious of these unconscious facts without giving yourself to them. If you can overcome your fear of the unconscious and can let yourself go down, then these facts take on a life of their own. You can be gripped by these ideas so much that you really go mad, or nearly so. These images...form part of the ancient mysteries; in fact, it is such fantasies that made the mysteries."19

He commented in his epilogue to The Red Book, nearly half a century later, that he would certainly have gone mad "had I not been able to absorb the overpowering force of the original experiences." Some of the processes he developed in that cause are ones that are suitable for all of us. He wrote his way through, by journaling and then writing up his journals. He sought and created images of balance and integration, which became a fascinating series of mandalas. And he developed the approach he called active imagination, by which, instead of rejecting the characters and contents of dream and fantasy, we work with them, carrying the drama forward toward healing and resolution.

"I fell into the mystery," Jung states after he has been squeezed by the black snake and saluted by Salome.20 Reading The Red Book, we see the enormity of the price Jung paid for his wisdom, and come to appreciate the extent of his courage and eventual self-mastery. This is a record of a thoroughly shamanic descent to the Underworld, and of a long test and initiation in houses of darkness from which lesser minds and feebler spirits might never have managed to find their way back.

Out of the shamanic depth of his personal experience, grounded in science and scholarship and the practice of counseling, Jung crafted a depth psychology in which dreams are central. He saw that most of us live on only one or two floors of the apartment building that is our minds, unaware of all the other levels and rooms. We will see that, in our dreams of houses (and in other dreams), we awaken to what is on the other floors. Jung coined the word individuation for the process of recognizing and integrating what is in the rest of our personal apartment houses.

Jung also invented a vocabulary for what lives on the various levels of those apartment houses. Many of the terms are well-known, if not always well applied, thanks to the work of Jung's followers. There is the Shadow, meaning a part or parts of ourselves that we don't like, don't know, or don't wish to know. The shadow may be negative or positive. Then there is the anima, the woman in man, and the animus, the man in woman. In his later years, Jung contended that "recognizing the shadow is what I call the apprenticeship. But making out with the anima is what I call the masterpiece which not many bring off."21

Conflict between the tenants of the apartment house is inevitable, as are conflict and "contraries" in our world. "There can be no resolution, only patient endurance of the opposites, which ultimately spring from your own nature," Jung says in a letter. "You yourself are a conflict that rages in and against itself in order to melt its incompatible substances, the male and the female, in the fire of suffering and thus create that fixed and unalterable form which is the goal of life....We are crucified between the opposites and delivered up to the torture until the reconciling third takes shape."22 And what is this "reconciling third"? It is a movement toward the Self (which we may call the Higher Self).

This involves the "approach to the numinous" that Jung came to define as the heart of his work: "The main interest of my work is not concerned with the treatment of neurosis but rather with the approach to the numinous....The approach to the numinous is the real therapy and inasmuch as you attain to the numinous experiences you are released from the curse of pathology. Even the very disease takes on a numinous character."23

In his practice, Jung adopted some of the characteristic tools of the shaman, who knows that offering the right song or story can change the behavior of the body and call in the energy of soul. Jung once agreed to see a woman with "incurable" insomnia that had resisted all previous treatment. In her presence, he found himself remembering a lullaby his mother had crooned to him in childhood. He started humming it aloud. The song was about a girl on a little boat on a river full of gleaming fish. It evokes the rhythms of wind and water. Jung's patient was enchanted. From that night on, her insomnia was gone. Her regular doctor wanted to know Jung's secret. "How was I to explain to him that I had simply listened to something within myself? I had been quite at sea. How was I to tell him that I had sung her a lullaby with my mother's voice? Enchantment like that is the oldest form of medicine."24

As dream shaman, Jung knew, and insisted, that dreams show us what the soul wants in life. He said in Memories, Dreams, Reflections: "All day long I have exciting ideas and thoughts. But I take up in my work only those to which my dreams direct me." He was perennially willing both to be mobilized by dreams and to accept course correction from them.

When he was visiting sacred sites in India, he found himself abruptly transported back to Europe on a vital mission. In the dream, Jung is with friends on an island off the coast of southern England. He is standing under the ramparts of a castle dimly lit by candles. He knows the castle as the home of the Holy Grail. But the Grail is not yet here. In the dream, Jung learns that his mission is to swim in the dark to an empty, solitary house, retrieve the Grail that is hidden there, and carry it to its rightful home. Jung read this dream as a call to recognize and operate as a man of the West. "It was as though the dream were asking me, ‘What are you doing in India? Rather seek for yourself and your fellows the healing vessel, the salvator mundi, which you urgently need.'"25

A dream gave Jung a powerful image for self-healing when he was close to death after suffering a heart embolism in 1946. He wrote in bed, in pencil, to an English Dominican priest (Victor White) of a dream that had given him hope. The dream image was of a bluish diamond in the sky, replicated in a quiet, round pool. The quiet simplicity of that spontaneous image, after the stormy complexities of his earlier life and his "confrontation with the unconscious," offered strength and sanctuary.

Near the end of his life, Jung was spurred by a dream to make a decisive move to make his work more accessible to readers outside a rather narrow circle of scholars, scientists, and analysts.

Despite the profusion of new editions and selections from Jung's oeuvre that you'll find at almost any bookstore, not many people even today actually read and comprehend Jung's own writings (as opposed to Jungian explications). His vast scholarship, including his mastery of the classics -- from which he sprinkles Greek and Latin throughout his monographs -- is formidable and off-putting to many.

In his last major essay, however, Jung managed to put his best and most original ideas in a form that was simple enough to reach a general audience, without diluting or dumbing anything down. He did this because of a dream.

In 1959, Jung participated in some very human, filmed interviews with the BBC presenter John Freeman. After viewing them, the managing director of Aldus Books had a bright idea: why not ask Jung to write a book for a general audience? Jung's answer, when approached by Freeman on the director's behalf, was a flat no. He was now in his eighties and did not want to take the time that remained to him for this. Then Jung dreamed that he was standing in a public place and lecturing to a multitude of people who not only were listening with rapt attention but also understood what he was saying.

The dream changed his mind. Jung now embarked on the book that was published after his death as Man and His Symbols. He conceived it as a collaborative effort and invited trusted colleagues like Marie-Louise von Franz to contribute chapters. His personal contribution was a long essay titled "Approaching the Unconscious." The essay is as simple as Jung gets -- which is to say, you must not be dismayed if you come across a word like misoneism (fear of the new) in the first few pages.

The essay is, first and last, about dreams. He completed it just ten days before the start of his final illness, so this work may be called his last testament. It testifies, above all, to the primary importance of dreams in Jung's psychology and in his vision of human nature and evolution. Jung makes the ringing statement that it is "an age-old fact that God speaks chiefly through dreams and visions."26


Excerpted from the book
Dreaming the Soul Back Home © 2012 Robert Moss. Printed with permission of New World Library, Novato, CA. www.newworldlibrary.com  or 800-972-6657 ext. 52.

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Jung's experiments with mediumship

For those interested in Jung's exploration of the afterlife, and his opinion that Stewart Edward White and his wife Betty provided convincing proof, read the Jung section of this blog: http://newtopiamagazine.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/roots-of-american-metap...

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When I was twenty one back in seventy one I began reading a lot of books of poetry, literature, philosophy, novels, and somewhere along the line I began reading Jung.I would go up to the university and hang out in the library, I remember sitting for hours upon hours reading Jung.Around that time I began going through psychic changes, that remind me of some of the comments in this article in regards to Jung's experiences.At that time I was immersing myself in as much symbolic language that I could drench my subconscious with, In order to make myself a kind of revolutionary poet.

I was deliberately attempting to sort of bury my mind in works of great thought and poetic rigor.I really did not know what I was actually going to accomplish, but Jung's words resonated at the back of my plunge.I had little real knowledge about the effects of his research or what that had done to the world of psychology, but I intuitively knew that Jung had captured some very important territory of the imagination in his depth of thought.My way of inundating myself in history of mind was to read as much as I could of various writers, thinkers, and works about history, ect. and drink some coffee and keep bombarding my subconscious with convolution of ideas, eternal returns of snaking memory deep in the earth of human soil.I studied art, and became a surrealist.

My life took on a surreal aspect, I lived in Mysterium Coniunctionis like an ouroboric wanderer, reading a little and then spacing out for what seemed like ages of the enlightenment, and then turning another age and falling through a Boshean like landscape of dark unconscious dread and drear, until I emerged hours, days, weeks later finding myself walking down the street where all these crazy people were going about their daily routines watching wars on TV and smoking coffin nails believing in Big Brother and God. I was vagely aware that these people were maybe looking at me as if I was the crazy one.I began a period where I was not sleeping much, I began to feel like I was a poet living in the last century, I became a butterfly pressed between the pages of a great book of life.The days were going by like this, like the turning pages of some forbidden tome.At night I would enter my Egyptian Tomb and live in the dream of eternity.

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wildthing - great post and very much appreciated.

it's funny

...that this article came along in the nick of time, that I should appreciate what is appreciated.Kozandaishi.

perhaps

...what is interesting, is not so much about my life, but about the anima I met in this life, and the shadow that stands just on the edge between this and that life.Also there is a novel that I wrote about my psychedelic teenage days, which is a red book that I began to read.

mr moss.

Thank you for your contributions. I think much of the work you do and always enjoy reading you. Attended a workshop of yours some time ago and recall you mentioning a young boy you befriended as a child, an aborigines who exposed you to dreamtime culture and phenomena. Wondering if you could point towards any readings in that area. Would be much appreciated. Again thanks!

fairy shaman 'buddha chief' speaks out, sharing her experience a

fichik watalhpi, the choctaw name for the seven stars of the pleaides, i see the lakota speaking of it as well, and I know that the stars are my ancestors, and this may be to do with Wanti, all of the coincidences i have experienced the pleiades have repeatedly come up and i have met many who seem to be from the pleiades, from the stars, i believe many people have origins there, and without honoring them, i cannot pass this stage in my life, though i am wary of new age type ideas, this seems real, these people all in their aura, they start to form this family, my tribe the choctaw has been misunderstood, it is not that we support the ways of the confederates but we are not enemies to people based on color, we did recognize the similarities through out the lores and understood these were two sides of the same world meeting, how could we have been divided? I didn't know. i think it had something to do with a false seperation of the energies, as in making one good and one evil… but could it be that the magical beings mentioned across europe and america and asia and africa and australia are actually all meeting as one, in a world slightly apart from this? in the world of wanti? i kept seeing the signs of it, the same astrological and physical dream symbols would appear, and repeatedly there was this guy who turned into a girl, who seemed to deny it all and repress it. He was the one I didn't like, maybe he represented the one who was against magic, against the true ways, who wanted people to suffer. The boring one. still, we saw that it was connected in a hidden way, and we saw that they were giving messages to us, the shinto video on youtube, giving us a message as MCD77 (my name is D, MC is montgomerycounty, 777 celestial vibes), the native american tribes in maryland, making putting videos on youtube, under the name dee23371, another mention of D then there is starwoman1967, stars and hippe and horsenetinc… possible a reference to Windhorse a figure in Choctaw folklore, or perhaps also to Danu, who the horse is sacred to then there is evildarkos, playing some music klandestinie… doing more pow wow stuff its all set up perhaps to be a test… i have a feeling these forces know who i am, its a bit hard to speak of because its happening in such a subtle way, but it definitely seems systematic and for a purpose… I feel honored, and called, to have my name up like that, if a bit awkward, but i understand i have to address it in someway first of all, i do not support the confederacy, i am with the spirits of the tribe, we are a rainbow tribe, i have gone through much of the sacred text, and been responding to it, because I hear the true God, saying no it is not this way, the spirit speaks inside of me, and I know that these writings must be put out to the public, because others must have similar questions when they begin to study spirituality, especially the Torah and such. I feel that by working with it, and understanding that, its our duty to always make it better, keep the tradition but never repress new growth, we keep a record of how it once was, but we must allow it to continue growing. I am a mystic, the true faith goes beyond any of the distinctions between faiths as hindu, jewish, buddhist, pagan, etc… when you see the ultimate truth, it is universal and connects them all. they call me schizophrenic, but they just don't know where to put me, because i am among those who know themselves as the formless consciousness itself. I am not a linear being. I explain that though certain things are within the Torah, it all has a karmic effect, if you keep another as a servant, then in turn, God keeps you as a servant, but if you let everything be free, then in return God will let you be free, as long as you do good. It is in some ways a mirror, and this connects to the faery way, that all beings live upon another being, and what we do comes back to us. its a very complex metaphor for example, cleansing of the idols, actually meant going into the torah and changing it where the places of virtue were wrong, you have to see the letters as angels and see what they are asking of you, they seem to want to be in a different arrangement. I am not sure what it is all connected to, it seems to be some endless mystery, but I feel it is at least my duty to state that I am a humble Kabbalist, trying to draw forth the light from the sacred scrolls, honoring the gnostic truth within, that will not allow me to be led astray because the writing is central it is a deep spirit a very rooted thought and story in our lives for a long time, so we must at least know how to deal with it, there is so little explanation available it seems. It remind me of the Catholic Schools, where they supposedly don't want you to ask questions about the scripture, I think there must be questions, if you are dealing with people who just want to keep it preserved no matter what, they honor another moment and throw down the vitality of this living moment, but all moments are holy, all times are holy, I believe some of the institutions exist to try to stop things from really reaching fruition. this pleiades group seems connected with the rainbow. hinak bitepuli we are the first frontier of the matriarchy, of the world of peace… we are here to teach, to make folks question the old ways, to add new and thus expand the frontiers of this world we are very open to the new, we dont just want a repeat of the past over and over again, we have to escape chronos and we are pulling beings out of chronos's insane cycle each day because on the other side of the bible, in a place that allows all the stories to come together as they should, there is actually world peace it has been attained, all the beings of all the stories can live, and they are all acknowledging one nameless primordial force, but if we keep trying to stop that growth, its difficult. we have to escape time itself almost, but maybe not… i dont know what kind of insane oppressive religious groups or whatever kind of groups we are dealing with, making all of these rituals, but i know they are focusing on me and giving me specific attention everywhere is sacred, all I can do is provide space for the growth to continue. and encourage sharing of positive non judgemental things that really say something different new interpretations of the scriptures not totally bound in the boring traditions i see the genius of it, because i do not know exactly where to put it, so much is just random, i dont know sometimes, if it is wise or foolish but i just trust the spirit of the universe it all has to do with feng shui, with my own desires but its almost become too scientific, like i am leading my own consciousness through a journey and i know not to do this because it means that and that because it means this and it forces me down a pretty narrow path, which seems like it will last forever but the thing about faith is, suddenly you realize the truth, its not scientific, we don't understand, this is all a huge mystery thats what my spirit needs to feel, not understanding, but a deeper nurturing wisdom out there that I can trust… the exactness of witchcraft was not for me there is a deeper intelligence a deeper wisdom out there where, its not so exact but there is still justice, we all dont have to be so cut throat and power hungry we have evolved to that level, to be able to recieve a blessing like that its too much for me to think about, so i dont know what they were expecting of me before, but it was way too much its just faith, i trust that things are like this for a reason, its bizarre, but it will work out. a deeper intelligence beyond all that science something truly divine, saved it from hell, total lobotomy almost, no, it knew who i was, though they wanted to change everything it still saw the truth, it gave me hope who were all these offerings coming from? who was this… secret admirer? or benefactor? they wanted acknowledgment i just wasnt sure how to acknowledge them, the qi gong of the world around me seemed to reject their coming into the world, i wanted to know how to plant the seeds of all my dreams but i was shy i wanted it to happen in the right way, it was all the unseen magic and wonder and far out enlightenment endarkmenment of the world we live in today, how could i do it in a way that was grateful, that was about the places that were real to me how could i avoid the track, which they were trying to make for me i wanted to say so much, but i could only write it most times, i wouldn't try to force a situation to talk about it maybe all of this was part of zen, like how things flow in the zen universe, maybe it was from wanti itself maybe it would seem strange what i was doing, but i had to honor in my own way, i had to break free, drop out, thats what this has all been about, thats what it is to be a freak, a hippie, in your own way because none of the stars or the rainbows were really anything at all, it was just letters being typed into a screen, in some kind of internet tribe which made a place for me. maybe it was just the ravers… but all of it caused energetic changes, i wasn't so sure i wanted to go so fast i didn't really want to be a part of that, i didn't want that recognition, i felt like it anchored me down. it was constantly there it was bhakti, trying to get me to stray from my path, but i am a philosopher, and my true love is chokmah its different, but its just like this irish rapper said "just because you and me have different identities, it doesnt necessarily mean that we gotta be enemies" and while i'm able to discern from this huge wave of bhakti, the general flow downstream of life… some good forms and stuff that i truly love and is thoughtful, and just passionate and great, a lot of it just doesnt make sense, i see it happening but i have to help it, im not sure is jnani can help it, jnani seems pretty knocked out or something… i can just be here, and be wise, and just see whats happening here, what is this it seems so universal… people may be devoted to the practices and give me praise but thats not what i want, i just hoped it would encourage further exploration and i supposed thats always happening, and we all explore in different ways, i feel my way it unique, it have a new vibration in the world, a new understanding, expressed in a different way… it can't be ignored, forget the initiations, forget hierarchy, just this present moment there is so much amazing stuff out there and i just dont like that, they are doing this, but no one is talking to me, is that what alchemy is? its like the story of midas, you get so honored but you get totally removed from the people around you, i just wanted someone to talk to… why was the computer moving with me… i felt they wanted to isolate me, but thats not what i needed, i needed to be around people, thats the only way i could heal but here the only situation i can meet people in is so commercial, its as if some strange voodoo magic had been worked on me. i would leave harpers ferry, and go to seattle… and i wouldn't have a plan, it wouldn't be about any of that stuff some of that stuff needed to just be left… there was like, some kind of energy that wasn't supposed to be there… it tried to make me stop living in the true way, tried to just make me obsessed with how cool i was or something, but it wasn't actual zazen… and that was something i guess they were afraid of, its just like when you are trying to do something real like that, you really are trying to do it… this spirit that was in there, what was it? i couldn't approach it right, not from here, if at all… it was like a being inside the computer… they were the being inside of the computer, thats what they were saying kind of some of these people, and my thing was, i didn't want to hang out with the people inside the computer, i wanted to use the computer but live in the real world… the fractal thing they were doing trying to make it seem like they were one was freaky and annoying i seeked true reality, though it was existentially plausible, something about all of the way it was applied made it empty. it wasnt the essence of the philosophy it was the ego that surrounded it, which had literally become parasitic… it was gnosticism, which they said would change it, but was that really true? not these people trying to portray it as some kind of masonic or catholic group, the true gnosticism was about getting this knowledge which was supposedly esoteric and sharing it with people without trying to get them to join your group, and take their spirits from them or something… it was a journey you could kind of symbolize by the amanita muscaria the shaman doesnt have to sacrifice themselves, by becoming a part of these groups, etc, the knowledge just kind of comes to you, because of robin hood, or some kind of thing like that, you hear in your mind, they dont have a right to try to monopolize it anyways, and thats what all those groups were trying to do, but that was not true gnosticism, the gnostics were around, but you know if someone did, go into it, and brought back knowledge that was lucid and deepened the understanding of love in the world to share with them, without trying to force them into those kinds of groups, then they would also not be considered evil because they actually alleviate the karma by offering the essential knowledge without trying to indoctrinate the ego, this is actually how true spirituality is you never join the masons, you never join some wierd thing like that, those are just like perpetually mysterious groups… but you do chill with people, cool things happen, it just can't happen in that way… because the truth about all those groups is they dont really exist, maybe… they have that much stealth. if you aren't with it, all you need is a creative story, and you dont have to deal with the bad feng shui was i really some kind of fairy chief? were we all just way too chaotic to put it cohesively together? i just felt like, i couldn't do it all psychically, it gets too murky, contact me by email, i can't own up to any of it, i cannot say i am a chief, but i am within that world and i make bridges between both worlds and hope maybe for their eventual total union, the way that the people of this world have recognized me in this is, they have made this cyber(siberian?) headdress for me, I thank them, for this is sacred, and meaningful, I feel it connects all the aspects of my life together nature and technology, it makes me know the spirits are out there watching in some form though they may not speak overtly, i will continue my work of trying to birth good thoughts in the world that reassure themselves and grow forever, thats all i can do, i am just someone who works with the impulses of thoughts at the beginning from silence to sound to letter… i have been the most current one to do it now at least in this region but anyone can do it, and i encourage everyone to it is a part of every faith Nanishta!