Deception in the Oval Office

Joseph Flatley
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In the new documentary, The Obama Deception, talk show host and media personality Alex Jones believes that the US president is out to destroy America at the behest of the New World Order. The film starts off with the believable premise that multinational corporations are corrupt, that in order to become president of the United States, one has to be in bed with the corporations -- not a far stretch given the lack of significant campaign finance reform.  Jones then takes his arugments one giant step further, saying the current president is "the tip of the spear," a public face of a nefarious plot currently being set into play by the Bilderberg Group, Wall Street Bankers, and the Federal Reserve.

The documentary exposes the building blocks of this plan like AM radio talking points: nationalized healthcare, the global warming "hoax," the fairness doctrine, hate speech laws, and obscure House bills and Department of Defense directives calling for (if only in Jones's mind) martial law. Much of the "proof" that Jones presents simply is not true, and the dots that the viewer must connect to get from points A to B don't always make sense.

If Americans need a fair appraisal of their president and the dangers facing the world as we move ahead, they will most likely not find them here. The film is more of an expressionistic mood piece than a documentary, using dislocated soundbites, montage, and ominous music to scare viewers without relaying much useful information.

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utility of information

Submitted by quietdown on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 12:44.

You have to give these guys credit: they are grassroots historians and media critics, expending heroic amounts of time and effort into the search for a truth that just cannot be found in the mainstream of American society.

One of my main beefs with Alex is that he's not enough of a media critic, particularly with regard to the 9/11 attacks.

Still, as a whole, these types generally turn me off: the "conspiracy" crowd has always been far too cultish, too sectarian. Their literature rarely evinces the sort of nuanced thinking or essential humor of Robert Anton Wilson, for example.

"The 'conspiracy' crowd" isn't a terribly nuanced designation, but I get where you're coming from and ya do have a point. "We're all in this together," as Tuttle says in Brazil: anything less plays into the divide-and-conquer tactics of the various high-level factions, which are themselves vying with each other to be "the" cabal. Hopefully, we can discuss the facts rationally without pigeonholing one another as "these types" or "those types". I've certainly done my share of this and, and ya gotta, to a degree, while giving primacy to the facts and being as rigorous as possible in defining your categories. Nuanced thinking and essential humor (especially) are highly important, but only if your main ideas are clearly and strongly presented can you get off dallying with the grace notes. On the whole, I think Jones has pulled this off, particularly with his last 3 docs, which I think are decent intro courses in the architecture of Control, though I agree his ham-fistedness and lack of grace can be grating. At least he reminds the viewer to research his claims on their own: actually do this with regard to AGW and you may change your tune.

http://www.climateaudit.org/ http://atmoz.org/blog/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/10/exxon-mobil-carbon-tax http://www.grist.org/news/2009/03/11/tax/index.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/12/carbon-tax-should-repl...

I don't trust Jones' take on climate any more than I trust Al Gore's (like ourselves, both are pundits, neither scientists), but I can tell a racket from a hockey stick. Look at the organizations (factions? cults? sects?) that are pushing for global taxation/regulation and ask yourself if "saving the planet" in this case isn't just cover for screwing us (and particularly those in developing nations) over even more. Finally, what are your criteria for the "usefulness" of information? What do you suggest we do with solid info on these vast Control schemes, besides disseminate it in a funnier and more nuanced way? If you were making a doc called The Obama Deception, what useful info would you include that Alex didn't... and how would you like your audience to "use" it? Just curious.

I'd love it if you took the piss out of one of my posts, incidentally. What little feedback I get is from various "choirs" for which I only occasionally sing, and, while we seem to agree on many fundamentals, your perspective diverges significantly enough from mine to make it valuable. Let's keep each other honest, here. Peace!

Good analysis

Submitted by Anteros on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 15:56.
by quietdown. I think Alex Jones and Daniel Estulin and "Big" Jim Tucker have done us a service by calling to public attention groups like the Bilderbergers and the CFR and the Trilateral Commission. But I find unhelpful their tendency to force their notions of conspiracy into a particular constellation of right-wing libertarian paranoia that doesn't altogether jive with the observable facts. R.A. Wilson is the perfect example to bring up here of someone who knew about conspiracies without having undue judgement-warping emotional energy invested in any one of them.

Am I being presumtuous and closed-minded

Submitted by DavidCain on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 17:36.

if I flatly decide I'm not wasting two hours watching conspiracy bullshit? Maybe I am, and this is actually just the warning I need to prevent global disaster.  Perhaps instead of going about my life, I'd better get busy saving the world from the fake black president.

The way I see it, the US president is always going to be some kind of tool, why expect otherwise? I think this tool is probably better than the last tool.

Am I being naive by remaining fairly confident that international bankers are not actually taking over the world and planting mind control devices in our spines while we sleep?

Am I the tool here? 

This movie sure is popular.

www.raptitude.com -- The gentle art of sanity amidst civilization

Reply to Flatley

Submitted by Mossyfern on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 19:41.

"Simply" is not true? As far as I can tell, the bulk of this movie is focused on how Obama is breaking his promises. Specifically, his promises for troop withdrawal, NAFTA, transparency, closing Gitmo, etc. So how was Alex Jones wrong about that?


If you agree that Obama is breaking his promises, then Alex presents a very plausable explanation for his doing so; as well as his actions and the people in his administration. He claims the bankers and elitists are in control. Now it's hard to provide a smoking gun for such a far-reaching conspiracy, but there is a wealth of supporting and corroborating evidence, as well as confirmations of predictions, especially Obama's (and Hillary's) very probable attendance at Bilderberg, and his support of the banker takeover before and after he came to power. It's still a theory... but so is the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution.

 

Is Alex Jones 'out there'? All he does is read from mainstream news articles, and the documents that organizations like the CFR create. If you go by that line of reasoning, then our own government is a bigger conspiracy theorist than Alex Jones is. If you think the articles are lies, you can take issue with that, but please don't call Alex crazy because he reads the newspapers and documents that other people don't.

 

Can anyone point out at least one FACT that Alex mentions in this movie that is wrong? By "not true", do you mean that our "obscure" defense department directives do not exist? DO YOU DENY that the government is deploying troops for civil purposes, and is building camps (and graves) meant to hold thousands of people? Yeah? Because I can show you mainstream news articles and footage of it. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html?hpid=topnews

But no, it's all just conspiracy theories. You don't have to do anything about the government, just sit back and enjoy paying your carbon taxes to the world bank, selling out your grandchildren into debt, and take your mercury-filled vaccines when the government says so. And even though they are announcing a New World Order on CNN, it's a good New World Order and not the bad one that Alex talks about. Nothing to worry about.

 

Cheers,

 

Mossyfern

uff

Submitted by numtre on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 19:48.
although a bit too much fear based, alex jones has got a point here. The parallels with hitler and mussolini and stalin and all that crap are, unfortunately i' d add, very very VERY real and scary. I mean what we really have to do is hoping 2012 is coming to rescue us all? I believe 2012 means something (cheer up, at the very least it is a pretty number). Because I trust good old Terence McKenna, who probably didn't get the whole picture right, but surely pointed us in some direction. Was it not for Terence I would not give it very much of a credit. 2012, it's a year that will hopefully bring some help, some wind in our backs, to end tiranny. What are the chances of change - the real one - without a powerful kick in the ass that will propel us onto the right track? We need god's help, is that what it boils down to? There is an italian proverb that goes like "help yourself and god will help you". Only if we really really change ourselves, the wind will start blowing and god then will help us. WHat does help mean in this case? I think it means we have to fight inside ourselves what we see on the outside which we don't like. Alex Jones maybe wants to fight on the outside, and rightly so. I think the fight is inside. We need to spread the information, put our hearts into the fight... but ten the thought gets blurried. What to do exactly? Maybe it can't be told with words? Does it mean fighting our demons? What does it mean anyway? SOmeone, hurry and clarify.

Global warming, climate change, etc

Submitted by Veronica on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 21:44.

Anyone who denies there is global climate change, i.e. warming, is in denial of facts. Read the science, look around you, take a trip up to the Arctic...the science is there for you.

You may respond by saying the multitude of scientists who are urging us to pay attention to the dismal state of our environment are also tools...And to that I say - where does it end? Why stop there? Maybe Alex Jones is a tool too... 

And it should be noted that the administration before this, George Cheney Bush Company, tried to deny the existence of global warming...Remember? They actually tried to hook up pop sci-fi writer Michael Crichton to say global warming is not real. Ha! And here I was thinking that maybe the "powers that be" were all in this together...Hmmmm...

Ultimately, I'm going with science, and with the messed-up climate I can see and feel around me.  To deny global warming is to admit ignorance.

p.s. There's too much fear-mongering all over this website and in Jones' video. And there may be doses of truth in some of what Alex Jones said, but then, that doesn't mean it's Apocalypse Now. The world has been ruled by corrupt politicians over and over and over again...Nothing new. Chill out.

Not Exactly

Submitted by Mossyfern on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 22:24.

Actually, what is being debated is not that climate change exists. In fact, climate change has been the reality for the entire recorded history of the earth. What is being debated is the degree to which human beings are influencing the change.

From dictionary.com:

Ignorance:

2. (Theol.) A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have. --Book of Common Prayer.

It is everyone's duty to fully inform themselves of all sides of the debate on global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it. I'd recommend watching The Great Global Warming Swindle:

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=the+great+global+warming+swindle&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Cheers,

Mossyfern 

 

 

 

 

couldn't agree...

Submitted by cacaomonster on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 21:40.
more...anyone who brushes off these documentaries is usually lost because it's all new info to them...the really just don't understand how deep down the rabbit hole we can go...from energy manipulation, to bilderberg, to montauk project, to GMO foods, to injecting africans with the AIDS virus...geez...it's obviously a bit over the head of this gentleman...he'll soon see more manifestations...

as far as global warming...

Submitted by cacaomonster on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 21:42.
is concerned...look at the facts across the solar system...NASA knows its climate change and climate change on an entire galaxy and solar system level...it's disinfo to listen to global warming...climate change yes...Jay Spivey

word

Submitted by cacaomonster on Mon, 04/06/2009 - 22:23.
Jay Spivey

Hmm

Submitted by Mercurial on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 01:07.
Does anyone else ever wonder how Alex Jones gets by saying the shit he does, as publicly as he does, and manages to stay alive and well? He's a tool, revealing little tidbits here and there about the seemingly inevitable NWO, but keeping his readership too petrified with fear to act against it. READ YOUR BILL COOPER, PEOPLE!

Mr. Jones

Submitted by rr on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 02:36.
Alex Jones is the Bill O'Reilly of the Truth Movement. An egomaniac with a bullhorn, a chain of websites, a daily radio show, and a lucrative DVD business, Jones proves day in and day out that yellow journalism and downright sensationalism pays. Come on, the dude is actor, literally. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a "journalist" with less credibility than Paul Joseph Watson. The guy's got a flair for embellishment to put it mildly. I'd agree with some of the others. I'll read my Bill Cooper and my RAW, maybe even Icke, but I'm going to pass on the latest Alex Jones doc. He only spreads fear with his bullhorn. 

Fighting the Power!

Submitted by SoulTraveller on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 06:12.
I've watched this documentary along with Alex's other well researched documentaries such as "EndGames". In my humble opinion whether people agree or disagree with Alex's work and passion to help others wake up to the truth that the mainstream media refuses to touch I applaud Alex for his courage and determination to wake up Americans from the $lavery and fraudulent conditioning of a shadow government hell bent on meglomaniac control and destruction! Kudos to the liberty movement and the brave souls that are placed here to help expose this madness. Do your own research if you are skeptical and come to your own conclusions!

well said..

Submitted by cacaomonster on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 07:39.
we are interpreting here...you can easily judge someone...Alex doesn't create fear...fear creates itself...it is already present...let the people who say he creates fear take responsibility for their own fear they already possess...easy to copout though...everyone seems to today...no blame here...responsibility no victim role shit buddy

also...

Submitted by cacaomonster on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 08:35.
to think that the establishment would kill A. Jones for what he's doing if he wasn't spreading their own propaganda and fear...is non-sense...they understand 95% of the population is stuck in Dem or Repub. mode...he represents still a very small percentage of people...no need to kill him...now if he was president...yeah...he'd be dead...but we both know the establishment wouldn't allow such a person to be put into power (loose word here...presidents have no power)...money makes their world go round

Alex

Submitted by Workingman on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 10:31.
I first heard of Alex Jones after watching Linklater's film, Waking Life. At some point I realized that all the characters were real people and I asked a friend "Who is that?", since I had been really intrigued by the rant about freedom over the megaphone attached to the top of a car. She turned me on to some Alex just before he started putting out the 911 films. I have never been the same. Got a little crazy and way into the conspiracy stuff for a while, eventually getting back to some balance, perhaps. Partly thanks to Reality Sandwich. Trying to feed myself lots of "good stuff". But I still think it is important to look at the scary things that are going on. Alex talks about an information war. He explains that by shining a light on these thugs, they can be exposed and can't get away with their plans if everyone knows whats up. There may be some suspicions about him. But the same may be true of Bill Cooper (ex-Navy Intelligence)or anyone else. What does anyone really know. Alex doesn't seem to be the brightest guy, but he uses what he has. I think he comes from kind of a patriotic, conservative, Christian background. He explains that he was happier before he learned the things he learned, but the truth is the truth. I recommend watching all of his stuff. There may be some odd slant or some inaccuracies, but you might learn a lot. To see how all this is playing out daily, I suggest check http://www.whatreallyhappened.com every day. (this requires me to check out Reality Sandwich daily to maintain sanity). On one hand all this political stuff may be unimportant, maybe we just need to work on ourselves, but on the other hand, I don't think ignorance is helpful. And Alex's main trip is information - expose the evildoers. And there is some massive evil taking place. For some other views, check out the films The Corporation, The World According to Monsanto, The Money Masters, What a Way to Go, Zero. We've got to change, that's for sure...

Alex from Waking Life

Submitted by Workingman on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 10:45.
If you haven't seen Waking Life - check it out! Lots of talk about lucid dreaming, etc. Anyway, here is a transcription of Alex's rant in Waking Life. Ever since then, I have had a soft spot for Alex. He also has some association with Kevin Booth, who was a close friend of Bill Hicks. So although I'm always suspicious, I tend to have some trust in Alex. (a friend did tell me that Linklater maybe had to get Alex to make a few changes in his speech to tone it down a bit for the film - but still..) Here's how he got to me: Alex Jones from the film Waking Life ------------------------------------ You can't fight city hall. Death and taxes. Don't talk about politics or religion. This is all the equivalent of enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line. Lay down GI. Lay down GI. We saw it all through the 20th century. And now with the 21st century its time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze. We should not submit to dehumanization. I don't know about you but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life and those that seek to control it EVEN MORE! I want freedom! That's what I want! And that's what you should want! Its up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes the insecurities. Because that is the central mode of control - to make us feel pathetic, small - so we'll give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have got to realize that we are being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state. The 21st century's gonna be a new century. Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance, and classism, and statism, and all of the rest of the modes of control. Its gonna be the age of human kind standing up for something good, for something pure and something right. What a bunch of garbage - liberal, democrat, conservative, republican. Its all there to control you. Two sides of the same coin. Two management teams bidding for control of the CEO job of Slavery, Incorporated. The truth is out there in front of you but they lay out this buffet of lies. I'm sick of it! And I'm not gonna take a bite out of it! Do ya got me?!?!! Resistance is not futile. We're gonna win this thing. Human kind is too good. We're not a bunch of underachievers. We're gonna stand up and we're gonna be human beings. We're gonna get fired up about the real things. The things that matter. Creativity and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit! Well, that's it. That's all I got to say. The ball's in your court. ----------------------------------- seems like a positive message to me.... I always feel compelled to check out his new films. with a grain or two of salt...

let's think about this

Submitted by cj369 on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 11:44.
Though I admire people attempting to uncover motives and look critically at our government I have found the following passage to be true. This truth can free us from the milieu of paranoia and the endless conspiracies. "As a general rule, people, even the wicked, are much more naive and simple-hearted than we suppose. And we ourselves are too." -Fyodor Dostoyevsky I love Alex's scene in waking life!

Peter Joseph Interview

Submitted by Naga Raja on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:17.

Although I enjoy some of the things Alex has uncovered I have major problems with much of his work.  I dislike the paranoid tone.  I also think he connects a lot of dots that you can't really connect.  Although I find many of documents coming out of places like the CFR disturbing I agree with the Dostoyevsky quote above.  I don't really think anyone can control it all and I think anyone who tries runs into enormous problems. Here is Terence Mckenna on the subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwt-LjvLlZQ

I also think Alex takes a lot of things out context and I don't know if he does this on purpose or if he is just naive and does poor research.  I find him a bit paranoid and would warn anyone who listens to what he has to say to research it and take into consideration the seeming unstable and irrational character of this man and question why you would follow or listen to such an individual.  If you want a good example you can watch his interview with Zeitgeist director Peter Joseph here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=434042117846104780&ei=X4fbScqsB4vcqALzodXABw&q=peter+joseph+alex+jones

His behavior here shows that like many conspiracy theorists he is a poorly adjusted individual.  He is not poorly adjusted in the sense of being poorly adjusted to society (because being well adjusted to this insanity is no badge of honor), but rather is poorly adjusted in that he has a difficult time engaging his guest in a polite thoughtful manner, constantly cutting him off and using some very crude rhetorical tactics.

LOL!

Submitted by Veronica on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:49.

RE: Mossyfern: "Actually, what is being debated is not that climate change exists. In fact, climate change has been the reality for the entire recorded history of the earth. What is being debated is the degree to which human beings are influencing the change."

Good thing! Yo! Humans, all 6.5 billion of them, aren't having an effect on climate. Oh my God, how hysterical.

Look, I work on the environmental end of things...For heaven's sake, if you don't think humans are having an impact on our climate, I urge you to go online and do research. (And by research I mean more than just passively watching a video like this that uses music, sound effects, and snippets of people's words to affect its viewers). Go read about our ocean life, start with that. It's easy, i.e. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/22/httpeditorialhuffingtonpo_n_108547.html

When you spread bad information like "humans don't impact the climate" you encourage more of the waste and decadent behavior that has gotten us into this mess we're in.

Also check other scientists, like James Hansen, who the Bush administration tried to ban: http://bannedmagazine.com/JamesHansen.0001.htm

There's major flaws in Alex Jones' fantasy that people don't affect the climate. One, because it just ain't true. And two, because he tries to establish a connection between Bush and Obama (and I'm sure there is) but Alex Jones needs to figure out which of the two is lying to us: Bush - who says the climate's just fine and dumb humans should just go about their polluting business, or Obama who (though still not doing nearly enough about our dismal state of environmental affairs) admits to some kind of problem. Wake up. Saying humans don't affect the climate is very dangerous. Our planet and our poor wildlife are in bad shape because of such ignorance.

I'm not dismissing all that Alex Jones says, but he shouldn't lie about the climate since we affect it greatly, and maybe if we all just accepted that (and the science) we could actually improve our planet instead of sitting here quivering about Obama.

Yeah...

Submitted by Mossyfern on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 17:09.

I'm here to have an intelligent about Global Warming. You say that "It just ain't true". That to me sounds like, "shut up, it doesn't matter what you think or say, nothing will change my mind".  But I'm not going to pay attention or take it personally.

 

Did you watch that video? It sounds like you didn't.

 

I just don't see what pollution in the ocean has to do with this. Nor am I denying that humans impact the atmosphere by producing Co2. I did what you wanted and checked up on Paul Hansen, and to me he looks like more of an fearmonger in his field than Alex Jones... and according to him we're already screwed. "the democratic process isn't working"- according to him.

 

But hey, I'd love to have a discussion about why despite Co2 emissions rising since 2001, temperatures have flatlined (and why after WW2 they fell despite carbon increases). Or, why Al Gore doesn't tell us that the correlation between Co2 and temperature in ice cores includes a 200-year lag where temperature increase precede carbon increase? Hey, scientists used to be ABSOLUTELY certain that physics was complete after Newton, or that the earth's crust had never moved. I think that in true science NOTHING is EVER out of the realm of questioning.

 

And BTW... I (as well as Alex Jones) am extremely concerned about the environment, it's just that I choose to focus on real threats like GMO's, chemical pollution, loss of ecosystems, threats to the ocean, etc. I don't drive a car, don't eat meat (mostly), eat mostly organic, and consume very little compared to most people.  

 

But liberty and the democratic process is the most important issue of all, because if we lose it then we lose the ability to have any choice in our future. It means giving up control to the most greedy, selfish and psychopathic individuals. And that is far more dangerous to the environment in the long run- even though they want to kill a lot of us.

 

Cheers,

 

Mossyfern

 

p.s.

Submitted by Veronica on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:37.

I think it's funny that Alex Jones is saying Obama is "out to destroy America...". Excuse me, but am I alone in thinking that George Dubya accomplished that already?

I mean, did someone wake up today and think that America is in decent shape? LOL!

If George Dubya (puppet of Cheney et al) didn't scare you enough with his decimation of Habeus Corpus, invasion and massacre of Afghanistan & Iraq, use of torture, f*ck you to the people of New Orleans, etc, then I don't know what will.

Obama may be part of the same cabal, but for heaven's sake, Alex Jones should have been rockin this kind of spooky video in 2001. Bush and Cheney wouldn't even have needed the unsettling music, drones, and soundbites...They're just scary as is, no need for the drama...

Yes he was..

Submitted by Mossyfern on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 17:12.

Yes in fact, Alex was rockin this kind of spooky video back in 2001.... you can even go and watch it online.

 

But I guess it's okay for us to be fearmongered and scared about global warming, because it's real, and its bad for us to be scared about tyranny, because it's not real.

 

 

Yikes

Submitted by EntangledRoots on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:53.
The problem with conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones is that they take legitimate, intriguing, and concerning information and mesh it with dubious info and a gaggle of non-sequeters to fit their own world view that there is an elitist master plan to turn everyone into serfs under their rule. People like Alex Jones construe nearly all information holes as "secrets" and nearly all consequences as being a product of some person or group of people's intention: "The U.S. government was clearly withholding information regarding 9/11; therefore, it staged the attacks," or, "The CRA and IMF are pursuing a global currency and coalition of national powers; therefore, they are trying to establish a one-world government IN ORDER TO enslave the masses." Some will argue that I'm strawmanning here, but please note that I am not suggesting these examples represent the exact structure of Jones' arguments. They are simply intended to demonstrate the kinds of non-sequeters he has a tendency to make. I would ask Jones... Why do these developments necessitate some kind of meticulously constructed plan by men snickering behind a curtain somewhere? Can they not just as easily be developments that have culminated over the years by a cumulative process of individuals utilizing institutions, held up by the destructive social memes of their time, for personal gain? If getting regulations that are justified by Global Warming passed around the world is going to suppress business start-ups and protect some people's corporation from market competition, of course those people are likely to pursue it, but that doesn't mean its a step in some master conspiracy for global domination. If getting the government to legislate a central bank allows some people's bank to issue currency nearly unimpeded and riskless of insolvency, of course those people are going to pursue it, but that, again, doesn't mean that it's part of some elaborate conspiracy. These developments are plenty bad, in and of themselves. I suppose my primary concern with Alex Jones' work is that there is a wealth of information within it that many people should be exposed to, but instead of being drawn to it, people are turned off by Jones' rage and conspiracy-theorist notions... and worse, they dismiss some really important information as the rantings of a crank.

about Jones

Submitted by thepatient89 on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 17:29.
I've seen the film, I've followed a few of Jones' films, and I've oscillated between his ideas and the idea that nobody is really in control of everything. I think that it is most likely that these multinationalist entities and groups such as Bildeberg are trying their hardest to control a lot, but mere mortals are incapable of truly exploiting nearly every aspect of world society. Jones has his predictions about martial law, but he's for a while been bent on this idea (well over a decade now). If it is going to take place, there will likely be another pearl harbor/9/11 like event to instigate the martial law. The idea that the bankers and Fed and WTO and such are bastards who are the enemy of the people is an undeniable truth. If they don't give a fuck about us, but instead stand on the top of the pyramid then we should view them as an enemy.

The reason bad things happen

Submitted by vanhand74 on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 00:17.
There has to be some reason for tragedy and suffering in the world. We SHOULD blame the Bildebergs and the new world order for all of the suffering in the world. If bad things happen because of their evil designs, not because of dumb luck or for no reason at all, then all of the meaningless tragedy suddenly has meaning. This is very comforting.

not surprisingly...

Submitted by cacaomonster on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 08:28.
people dawg someone...hmmm....seeing a pattern here...why can't anyone just admit that they have done very little research on the subject matters that A Jones has done, and that every tid bit of info about the Illuminati or what have you, comes mainly from Jones. Funny that when people are just attempting to help (regardless of your opinion as to how he is doing it), people have to point out all of his "FLAWS"? Not surprised though. Always works that way. Whatever...you deal with that judgment of him...notice that most of the info isn't debunked though, just how he presents it. Keep on a dawging him though...see how far that gets you...just embrace anyone who has provided you some insight...you might be better off....who knows....it certainly hasn't been tried before...

also..

Submitted by cacaomonster on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 08:35.
you really think that GLOBAL WARMING is at the front of Climate change? OR is it truly just climate change occuring....shit...we only have Average weather records covering 125 years...shit...we put a hell of a lot of faith in our carbon dating and measurement tools heh>? HeHe....once again human arrogance and ignorance of itself surges ahead...if GLOBAL WARMING is the culprit...what in the hell do you think we can do that mother nature itself couldn't fix? That's truly what is so damn funny about all of these freaks that are so worried about the oceans rising, and their consumerist ways of life ending because the climate will balance itself out....leave it alone if it is true that GLOBAL WARMING is the culprit...mother nature will fix itself....why else do you think you see such what supposed meterologists call "WILD WEATHER"? that is a balancing act..and we have nothing to do with it...mother nature is doing that....its all balance and we will see that when the oceans rise....if that happens....it would be necessary and we can't stop it anywoo....so get over trying to cure something that we have no earthly idea about...oh but its this or that....doesn't matter what we notice...the earth will balance and humans will have to react accordingly...

June 2013

Submitted by vanhand74 on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 08:44.
Jones has been predicting that we're all going to concentration camps for years now, but here we are in 2009 and still - No Storm Troopers at my door in the middle of the night. I'll tell you what, let's talk in 2013. If anyone is paying attention to him, Alex Jones will still be twisting current events to facilitate his dumb fantasies, and none of you will admit that you ever actually took him seriously.

hehe...

Submitted by cacaomonster on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 08:51.
remember...troops in the streets is not an overnight process....either way people will rise when that comes...nothing wrong with someone at least entertaining you and telling you the physical reality (note only the physical reality here)...people will rise when the economy and food is absent...people won't stand for it...they'll take it in the behind until it gets to a point where they can't sit back eat, shop, and observe their propaganda...that'll awaken them..

Concentration Camps / Global Warming

Submitted by Workingman on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 10:09.
Actually Jones has been warning for years that concentration camps are being built. And that they are for those who don't want to go along with whatever the government tells us to do. Its still all shaping up. And Alex is still working hard to PREVENT such things from coming about. Meanwhile the globalist agenda advances. And the US has more people in prison than any other country. I think its about 4 million, doubled from 2 million under Clinton. Most for non-violent crimes. The US has recently become famous for torturing people all over the world, putting innocent people in secret prisons, and finding excuses to ignore human rights. (But of course Obama fixed all that right away). Check out a film called The Miami Model. Find someone who went to protest at the Republican convention in 2008. I finally watched The Great Global Warming Swindle. VERY eye-opening. Rather than the top scientists all being in agreement that humans are warming the planet through CO2 emissions, the top climate scientists discovered in the last few decades that the earth's temperature is totally driven by the sun. There is a direct correlation between sunspot activity and Earth temp. (Al Gore - the guy who pretended to run against Bush in 2000 - is a liar). Also way more CO2 is released into the atmosphere every year by volcanoes than by all manmade sources combined. No one is saying that humans are not impacting the environment. Just that CO2 is not worthy of being placed at the top of the list of pollutants, or even on the list at all. CO2 levels, arctic ice, global temps, have all varied widely over the history of the earth, including very recent history. This film explains all the science. Another film which I will watch soon, is called Global Warming or Global Governance, which explains how and why this swindle is being carried out. If you remember the pres debates, McCain AND Obama said they were both in favor of building lots more nuclear power plants. Obama also said we need 400,000 troops in Afghanistan. And Obama keeps telling us how we will all have to sacrifice. And on election night he announced his first cabinet appointment - Rahm "Rahmbo" Israel Emmanuel. I researched him the next day and lost all my illusions that Obama is here to help. Truth matters. Ignorance is very dangerous. We are the ones....

Swindle

Submitted by Veronica on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 21:47.

Funny that "Global Warming Swindle" should be mentioned here. That film has been debunked so many times over, by so many scientists (including some who appeared in the film!). So please, research that film before using it as a buttress for your arguments.

When considering global warming, there are three major ways I stick to my argument:

1) As a person who works as a journalist and in wildlife documentary filmmaking, I have been consistently, over the past 10 years, made aware of the unprecedented, rapid warming that has taken place on our planet and how it is greatly disrupting our wildlife. So, on a practical level, on the ground, I am aware of the changes - rapid and unprecendented changes.

2) I'm going to stick with the body of scientists that form the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In 2007 they finalized what they calls a "comprehensive and rigorous picture" of current knowledge of global warming. "The report concluded that the fact of global warming is "unequivocal," that it is "very likely" caused by human activity, and that the Earth's average surface temperature will probably rise by 3.2 degrees F to 7.2 degrees F in this century, and could rise as much as 11.5 degrees F."

3) I'm going to stay far (far, far) away from the denial propaganda put out there by Exxon Mobil, Bush/Cheney, and other such murderers. Alex Jones agrees with them. I never will. To sit around and debate just how much humans affect warming trends is a good thing to do. And I agree that science is a work in progress, but to deny the numbers, the deaths of our wildlife, and the unprecedented rapidity of warming is not an option. Equally important, to side with murderers who feed off the death of others is not an option for me.

And to the gentleman who said I didn't watch Alex Jones' video. He is partly correct. I stopped watching after the first 10 - 15 minutes. As a filmmaker, I'm only too aware of how music, sound effects, and funky editing can manipulate people. I would much rather read an article (like the one about Hansen) that informs with words, not music and other effects used to manipulate my limbic system.

Alex Jones may make some good points, raise important questions, and just question authority in general which is good...but his manipulative approach aches me. As a person who works with film, I'm extremely sensitive to propaganda approaches. 

Further, I can't give much credence to someone who sides with the likes of Exxon Mobil and Cheney.

I don't have any illustions about Obama being the new savior, but I'm not going to join sides with a propaganda minister just because some of his arguments or suggestions may have some merit.

 

**For those wanting to learn more about the effects of global warming on the ground as well as how Exxon and other corporate entities are spreading disinfo check Kivalina v. ExxonMobil Corp., Et al. 

Also check out the actions of the American Enterprise Institute after the IPCC released its 2007 report.

Also check the name "Philip Cooney" from the American Petroleum Institute who "repeatedly edited government climate reports in ways that play down links between such emissions and global warming, according to internal documents."

The list can go on and on...At the end of the day ask yourself what you have to gain by denying human responsibility when it comes to our environment? And ask yourself, if the "powers that be" really want to control you using "global warming", why would they try so hard to suppress the information made available by scientists? LOL! It's a quandary.

again!!!

Submitted by cacaomonster on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 19:20.
what do you suppose we do about it....tax people>? HeHe>? If it's irreversible....what can we do about it?>? Tax the folks? Let me know when you can answer that question...I know you can't...other than "STOP BURNING FOSSIL FUELS" RIGHT>? Let me know...thanks

What to do? First - chill...

Submitted by Veronica on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 21:42.

Cacao Monster, LOL! With all due respect, I'm not sure what angle you're coming from...

My first suggestion is take a step back. Breathe. And then - -

(a) admit we've got a problem and we are part of it and that's the first step to change

(b) Greatly reduce (or completely give up) use of a car that runs on gas, make sure no more of our forests, jungles - basically trees - are continued to be mowed down, reduce use of plastic and petroleum products, eat no or much less meat (or at the very least don't eat factory-farmed meat), make sure your voice is heard especially in writing (like what I'm doing here) so that people are better informed and so that politicians can't claim they didn't know what's going on, boycott Exxon and other corporations that are killing for profit, ride your bike (man, I love riding my bike), buy your food from local sources and ideally organic...The list goes on. You can look online for other tips. 

(c) realize that if everyone did these kind of things (and more!), we can change the gross pollution on this planet...

But it takes nations...So first we have to start with admitting we have a problem and that we have something to do with it. The guys at Exxon don't want you to do that. They want everyone to be confused about global warming because they want you all to live like it's business (aka pollution) as usual.

If people were not given all this disinformation, and were truly informed that their actions (even the seemingly smallest ones) can make a difference they might be motivated to change their wasteful ways.

If people actually saw the devastation going on - on the ground - with our wildlife, many more would be motivated to change.

But as long as you've got parasites like Cheney saying there's no such thing as global warming, everyone thinks we can still party (and waste) like it's 1899. But it ain't.

If we all did our part, and I mean everyone, we could change things. Yep. Si se puede.

 Goodnight and good luck.

Questions for Veronica

Submitted by Workingman on Wed, 04/08/2009 - 22:34.
Veronica - Did you watch The Great Global Warming Swindle from start to finish? If so, which statement or statements in the film have been "debunked" and by who (where can this be referenced)? Your statement that the film has been debunked "even by scientists who appeared in the film" caught me right away, since that issue is covered in the film. Some scientists who do not agree with IPCC are listed as members. Deceptively and against their will. I put off watching this for a long time. First of all I saw Al Gore when he brought his roadshow here. He scared me good. And then I kept hearing from people (even a scientist I know) that "All scientists are in agreement on global warming". And when I started to hear that there might be another side to this, the dissidents were "wacky conspiracy theorists", fundamentalist Christians (like my brother who believes that the Earth was created 6000 years ago), and a local "rogue" college professor. But I kept hearing about it and I'm not scared to watch a film. I expected it to be wacky but it seemed level-headed and truthful to me. And again - the debate is not about whether or not the Earth is heating up and having consequences for humans and other living things, or whether or not civilization is having detrimental effects on the planet. The issue is whether or not global warming is caused by man-made CO2 emissions. According to the film, and the many world-class scientists interviewed in it, global warming is caused by the sun. This is still a new topic for me and I want to be sure I am getting to the bottom of it. I can be a bit gullible sometimes, so I will be researching this further. Alex set me straight on 911 right way, but it took a lot of years for me to be sure on that one. (Check out the Italian documentary Zero - the best I've seen on that subject). This is going to be the same kind of issue. Either you believe the government's official story, or everyone will know you are a looney wacko conspiracy nut - and maybe even a terrorist that needs to be locked up (like maybe in a concentration camp!). This really needs to get sorted out.

On Swindle Debunking

Submitted by Mossyfern on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 00:18.

Veronica mentioned that The GGW Swindle had been debunked, and after some research (wikipedia gives a nice overview), I will probably agree with you that it was highly manipulative. So I'll call myself out for even mentioning it. Nevertheless that doc wasn't my only basis for questioning man-made global warming.

However, after studying the controversy from what I can tell, the movie was still right about a few things: first that the ice core samples show temp preceding Co2. The head of the IPCC admitted this. I also don't buy the response that sulfates were responsible for the postwar decrease in temperature. So that still takes the piss out of Al Gore, in my opinion.

I also disagree with anyone attempting to claim there is a scientific consensus on this subject, or that it is no longer a matter of debate. Especially in Japan:

http://orangepunch.freedomblogging.com/2008/06/18/japanese-ipcc-scientists-says-global-warming-worst-scientific-scandal/

Veronica, since you are so down on Exxon, you might be interested in the article posted above by quietdown about how they have reversed their position and are now supporting a Carbon Tax.

Carbon Taxes are the main thing that Alex Jones rails against. He actually supports using renewable energy and having local organic farms. He's doing damage right now against the government's attempt to cripple small organic farms: http://www.infowars.com/hr-875-and-the-criminalization-of-the-backyard-g... You can at least give him props for that. And take the time to watch his film. I even agree with you that it is emotionally manipulative. I am also very media-aware. But at least the facts are spot on, and considering his subject, I don't think that anything other than scary music would fit the subject. I also prefer print to film as far as rational conversation goes, but documentaries aren't out there only to prove a point, they're out there to create support amongst the general population and to entertain as well. Think of him as a modern day Patrick Henry.

And anyone who watches or reads something and believes everything in it completely deserves to get their head checked. Every form of print and film is essentially propaganda. At least Alex is honest at the end of his film and tells you not to believe until you research for yourself.

Cheers,

Mossyfern

The Great Global Warming Swindle Swindle

Submitted by rr on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 01:18.

Workingman--I'm a workingman myself, and I can't speak for Veronica, but I think if you do even a cursory google of the phrase "The Great Global Warming Swindle Debunked" it will pull up a plethora of sites with the information you desire.

cacoamonster--You write: "every tid bit of info about the Illuminati or what have you, comes mainly from Jones." And: "anyone who brushes off these documentaries is usually lost because it's all new info to them...they really just don't understand how deep down the rabbit hole we can go."

I think anyone on this site realizes the bottomlessness of the rabbit hole. Lest we wouldn't congregate. Anyway, you should probably look into Operation Mockingbird. Read "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks, or "Mind Control, World Control" by Jim Keith, and if you're feeling really brave try: "Trance Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips. Then get back to me on who Jones really works for, either willingly or by default. In the end I think you'll find that Jones is about as useful as the New York Times Review of Books in terms of authoritative and calculated disinformation. Regardless, good luck. You seem passionate about our whole endeavor here on this mixed-up planet. 

Thanks

Submitted by Veronica on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 08:05.

First - to rr. Thank you, I couldn't have put it so eloquently and intelligently myself.

To Workingman and Mossyfern, thanks, I appreciate some debate, but I'm going to stop here. I can't say anymore. We disagree, but I've gained insight into new things in our discussion, so that's good. And I'll check the link about Exxon and the reversal of their position.

not enough catma

Submitted by mazigazi on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 08:38.
it's not that alex jones' facts are wrong, it's that he fuels his rabid theories with them. it's his opinion that's out of control, you know? also, he certainly has a vested interest in crooked politics and wacky conspiracy theories: his INCOME is based on that!!! regardless of his facts, try to steer clear of HIS dogma and think for yourself.

The Debunking

Submitted by Workingman on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 10:22.

All right then, using rr's simple suggestion, google finds this page first:

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html

A VERY thorough debunking of the film. I guess I have to admit that the film appears to be a fraudulent "pseudo-documentary".

(also I did watch Global Warming or Global Governance, and it mainly just shows many portions of the Swindle film to make the same points)

I still think that "the powers that be" will be using this against us. (and maybe its for our own good).

well - I better get to work....

Baracknophobia!

Submitted by Michael Garfield on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 10:25.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/08/baracknophobia-hannity-ba_n_184...

Michael Garfield (live painter & avant-guitarist)

Alternet piece on Glenn Beck / Jones rhetoric

Submitted by ST Frequency on Thu, 04/09/2009 - 11:11.
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/135541/the_rise_of_glenn_beck%27s_b... A worthwhile read... It's truly insane how Fox News is now embracing Jones' diatribes, when scant months ago his rants were directed their way. Fear politics makes strange bedfellows...

Why do we...

Submitted by G-Pack on Fri, 04/10/2009 - 04:35.
...continue to pay attention to Alex Jones? Don't get me wrong, I totally buy that there are people in high places doing everything they can to stay in their high places. Proof of this abounds. What I don't buy is that they are skilled enough to successfully orchestrate everything that ever happens (including staging failed conspiracies that fail only to throw us off the trail of the real conspiracies that don't fail) to assure that everything falls perfectly into place. I would blame greed/ignorance/inertia for most of the problems credited to conspiracies. The world is a chaotic place that creates itself, despite our best intentions. Conspiracy theories seem largely the result of a projection of the powers of the ancient creator god (or perhaps the gnostic demiurge) onto a set of malicious human beings. Sometimes chaos is so scary that a belief in malevolent omniscience is better than no omniscience at all.

This One Is So Bad It Makes All Other Conspiracies True

Submitted by alchemism on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 14:27.
My favorite bit is the hotel scene where the narrator is convinced that the fire alarm was a cover to remove him (and his eye for Truth) from the building and its gathering of NWO elites. He excitedly talks about the immanent danger he is in for about 10 minutes. Then it just cuts to the next scene without any mention of the hotel, Bilderburger goons, or fire alarms. For some reason he didn't want to point out that it was truly just an accident -- yet he left the whole sequence in the film.This "documentary" is total garbage. Candy for under-educated paranoids. Do Not Waste Your Time Here.

@ Veronica

Submitted by omnichao on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 20:37.
"2) I'm going to stick with the body of scientists that form the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In 2007 they finalized what they calls a "comprehensive and rigorous picture" of current knowledge of global warming. "The report concluded that the fact of global warming is "unequivocal," that it is "very likely" caused by human activity, and that the Earth's average surface temperature will probably rise by 3.2 degrees F to 7.2 degrees F in this century, and could rise as much as 11.5 degrees F."" That report was the opinion of 5, and only 5 scientists. So must the world make massive changes based upon the opinion of these 5? Their opinions are based on computer models of co2 levels with the assumption that co2 causes global warming. However it appears that they left out the logarithmic relationship of co2 to heat. For every doubling of co2 the heat retention is cut in half, which the models fail to reflect. The greatest amount of heat retention is around the first 230 ppm of co2. The IPCC also likes to use the hockey stick which is so thoroughly discredited as to be a parody of science in its use. It was found that the algorithms for the hockey stick would give you just about the same shape regardless of the data that was fed into it. Did you know: "Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth’s ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially..." Except... In the Antarctic case this year ice levels are already up over 30% compared to the 1979 to 2000 mean. And to imagine this happening while we are experiencing unprecedented global warming. In fact if you look at multiple proxy data for approximately 12000 bc to present ie: last ice age until now the Earth warmed for about 6000 years and now for the last 6000 has been on an almost unimpeded cooling trend. Read more here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/11/making-holocene-spaghetti-sauce-by... The interesting thing is that the article linked to also uses the data of the alarmists from the IPCC. The IPCC likes to claim they have 3500 scientists on board and the "debate is over' due to a "consensus," which should be a recognizable fallacy in scientific circles. If we are to play "the more who agree win game," then take in to account that a petition of 31,478+ scientist from the US only, exists against AGW hysteria. See:http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php If you're looking for real science on the subject I suggest http://www.climateaudit.org/ And also read the skulduggery of the pro AGW scientists here: http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2008/8/11/caspar-and-the-jesus-pa...

The Last Word?

Submitted by Veronica on Fri, 04/24/2009 - 22:32.

Yo, dear Mr. Nlahnlahnlah, you've suddenly signed up to this website to post in response to my earlier posts. Hhhmmmm....

 

Surely you read that I wrote that I am done debating this issue. I firmly and unequivocally believe that humans are polluting and destroying our world. And that they are causing global warming, climate change, or whatever the gentle words are that we're supposed to be using today.

 

I urge anyone who is confused about this issue to not let seemingly esoteric pseudo-scientific jargon give you pause. Please be aware that the internet is riddled with all kinds of disinformation and lies and fake science.  Be aware that greedy people want to keep polluting because it nicely lines their pockets with so much cash they don't f*ckin know what to do with it.

 

And if you still find yourself confused and you don't know where you stand on the issue of global warming/climate change, ask yourself what makes more sense - to practice a bold lifestyle that steers clear of creating pollution and to demand that corporations/government do the same - or to keep living like the climate ain't no thing and we should just keep burning coal, driving our cars, and polluting all over the place, and shitt*ng on this planet like it's a huge, giant, replaceable Port-O-San? 

 

Ask yourself what feels more comfortable as a choice for you. I know what I will do. 

 

Goodnight. And good luck.

 

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