Dealing with Suffering and Seeing It As Grace

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For most people, when you say that suffering is Grace it seems off the wall to them.  And we've got to deal now with our own suffering and other people's suffering.  Because that is certainly a distinction that is very real, because even if we understand the way in which suffering is Grace -- that is the way in which it can be a vehicle for awakening -- that is fine for us.  It's quite a different thing to look at somebody else's suffering and say it's Grace.  And Grace is something that an individual can see about their own suffering and then use it to their advantage.  It is not something that can be a rationalization for allowing another human being to suffer.  And you have to listen to the level at which another person is suffering.   And when somebody is hungry you give them food.  As my guru said, God comes to the hungry person in the form of food.  You give them food and then when they've had their belly filled then they may be interested in questions about God.  Even though you know from say Buddhist training, or whatever spiritual training you have had, that the root cause of suffering is ignorance about the nature of dharma.  To give somebody a dharma lecture when they are hungry is just inappropriate methodology in terms of ending suffering. 

So, the hard answer for how you are able to see suffering as Grace, and this is a stinker really, is that you have got to have consumed suffering into yourself.  Which means, you see there is a tendency in us to find suffering aversive.  And so we want to distance ourselves from it. Like if you have a toothache, it becomes that toothache.  It's not us any more.  It's that tooth.  And so if there are suffering people, you want to look at them on television or meet them but then keep a distance from them.  Because you are afraid you will drown in it.  You are afraid you will drown in a pain that will be unbearable.  And the fact of the matter is you have to.  You finally have to.  Because if you close your heart down to anything in the universe, it's got you.  You are then at the mercy of suffering.  And to have finally dealt with suffering, you have to consume it into yourself.  Which means you have to, with eyes open, be able to keep your heart open in hell.  You have to look at what is, and say Yea, Right.  And what it involves is bearing the unbearable.  And in a way, who you think you are can't do it.  Who you really are can do it.  So that who you think you are dies in the process.  

Like I am counseling a couple now who went to a movie and when they came home their house had burned down and their three children had burned to death.  Three, five and seven.  And she is Mexican Catholic and he is a Caucasian Protestant.  And they are responding entirely different to it.  She is going in to deep spiritual experiences and talking with the children on other planes and he is full of denial and anger and feelings of inadequacy.  And in a way, that situation is so unbearable and you wouldn't ever lay that on another human being but there it is.   And what will happen is she may come out of this a more deeply spiritual, more profound and evolved person.  And he, because the way he dealt with it was through denial, may end up contracted and tight because he couldn't embrace the suffering.  He couldn't go towards it.  He pushed it away in order to preserve his sanity.  In a way, there is a process in which suffering requires you to die into it or to give up your image of yourself.  When you say I can't bear it.  Who is that?  And they talk about the saints of India as being the living dead, because who they thought they were has died.  And they talk about the saints for whom all people are their children.  So that everybody that is dying is their child dying.  It's easy to say "Well, it's not my child." or  "It's not my brother or my friend."  This poem is a favorite of mine.

Do not say that I'll depart tomorrow
because even today I still arrive.

Look at me: I arrive in every second
to be a bud on a spring branch,
to be a tiny bird whose wings are still fragile,
learning to sing in my new nest,
to be a caterpillar in the heart of a flower,
to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.

I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry,
in order to fear and to hope,
the rhythm of my heart is the birth and
death of all that are alive.

I am the mayfly metamorphosing in the
surface of the river.
I am also the bird which, when spring comes,
arrives in time to eat the mayfly.

I am a frog swimming happily in the
clear water of a pond.
I am also the grass-snake who,
approaching in silence,
feeds itself on the frog.

I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
my legs as thin as bamboo sticks.
I am also the merchant of arms, selling deadly
weapons to Uganda.

I am the 12-year-old girl, refugee on a small boat,
who throws herself into the ocean after
being raped by a sea pirate.
I am also the pirate, my heart not yet capable
of seeing and loving.

I am a member of the politburo, with
plenty of power in my hand.
I am also the man who has to pay his
"debt of blood" to my people,
dying slowly in a forced labor camp.

My joy is like spring, so warm it makes
flowers bloom in all walks of life.
My pain is like a river of tears, so full it
fills up all the four oceans.

Please call me by my correct names,
so that I can hear all my cries and my laughs at once,
so I can see that my joy and pain are but one.

Please call me by my correct names,
so I can become awake,
and so that the door of my heart be left open,
the door of compassion.

~Thich Nhat Hanh, from Earth Prayers 

You see, part of the answer is the way in which one embraces suffering into oneself.  Instead of that distancing.  Sure, the joy is my joy; the birds are my birds.  But the cruelty and the viciousness and the pain -- the distancing of it from you -- is the one that doesn't allow suffering to become Grace.  Because the only way that you can see suffering as a spiritual thing is when you don't have a vested interest in protecting yourself from it.  You don't ask for it, but when it comes down the pike you work with it, including when it's in other people.  What's happened to me is very strange lately.  It's very hard for me to even talk about it because I only barely understand it.  But I am finding myself in more and more situations, like I work with a lot of AIDS patients, for example.  Situations where there is incredible suffering.   There is physical pain, uncertainty, social stigma, alienation, all kinds of stuff.  Fear, economic travail, etc.  And I find myself there for that person first in an empathic way, where I empathize with how it must be for them.   And I feel that pain with them.  And I feel it ripping me apart because they find themselves in such a position as an incarnate soul.  And as we are together, there is a way in which we meet so purely and so deeply and I can feel that that horror has pushed us through the doorway into a place of being together that is such Grace that I find a place in myself that is giggling with delight.  And it is so delicate to acknowledge the giggle in the face of such a cruel situation for a human being, and to realize that it is both of those things. 

One day when my guru was walking down the street with one of his old devotees- he closed his eyes for a minute and he said "So and so, this old devotee, so and so just died."  And then he laughed.  And he had been very close to her.  And the other guy, who was a very close devotee and kind of had a kidding relationship with Maharajji said "Why are you laughing. She is dead.   Are you some kind of butcher?"  And Mahharajji said "What would you have me do?  Make believe I am one of the puppets?"  That's a hard story to hear, because from where he was sitting, death, birth, suffering, it's the unfolding of Karma.  Who can see that?  If you are seeing that to push away the suffering, you are doing what's known as a spiritual uplevel.   And it's a cop-out.  Somebody falls down in front of you and you say "Karma."  It has no quality of heart in it.  But when you realize it's your child and it's yourself then it's all you and it's in you.    Maharajji would cry at times when other people were suffering and at the same moment he was right there, understanding it.  You could feel that all the emotions were at play, and he could hear the unfolding of Karma.  From where I'm sitting, there are no errors in the universe.  It is the lawful unfolding; it's the Laws of the Karma.  The lawful unfolding in a cause and effect, but a very complex interweaving one, in which everything is related to everything else.  And when you have that kind of lawful unfolding, then suffering is just another part of it. 

And what I have noticed is that suffering, like with my step mother when she was dying, she had a tough ego.  She was a strong woman; a very willful woman.  A wonderful person.  A very good friend.  And I loved her a lot and I would have done everything to take away her pain, but I couldn't do it.  I mean I had the morphine and the this and the that and the next thing, but I couldn't take away all her pain.  And that pain just kept beating against her and beating against her and beating against her.  And it was ripping me apart because I loved her and I was going to miss her and it was all the human qualities of me.  And I watched as I held her and went through the whole process of her dying.  I watched that pain beat against her until her will finally had to surrender before it.  She couldn't push against it any more.  And what happened was, it was just like you watched a shell break and something new be born.  And who was born those last few days was so spiritually beautiful.  I felt I was in the presence of Grace itself.  And she recognized it.  She knew that she was now who she somewhere in herself knew she was but had never been able to be.  And it was the pain that did that.  And I looked and I thought can I bear to look at nature that baldly where my heart's breaking because this person I love is going to be lost and that at the same moment there is a perfection in this.   That as she is dying, this is what the whole incarnation was about.  And that was the completion of that work.

So I have developed an interesting way of you do what you can to relieve somebody's suffering with food, or shelter, or protection from violence, or whatever you can do.  But there is another level you have got to deal with in this paradox.  It is a paradox.  That most of the time you are taking away somebody's suffering when there is another level in which you know suffering is Grace.  Because they are not asking for Grace that way.  And you can't lay a trip. You can't say it's good for you, suffer.  That's the beginning of dealing with the issues.

 

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Comments

No Grace in Stubbing the Toe

From a slightly different perspective, but hopefully not antagonistically polarizing ... That any/all suffering only ever comes about at the loss of being graceful {gracefulness} Like no one stubs their toe unless they are unnecessarily in a hurry or unattentive ... not being consciously graceful in the moment. 

That there is so called wisdom in suffering is only to the degree that we learn of our "lack of wisdom" that led us to such suffering during our actual suffering.

Life itself, or "spirit" causes absolutely no chronic or pathological chaos ... outside of humanistic self-perpetuating inertia ... that any degenerative suffering is forever only experienced at the expense of our being more consciously graceful in the present.     

 Of course one has to mix such "tough love" with a little mercy as there is the distinction between individual karma and collective karma. Many overlapping and also distinct karmas that we all get mixed up in these days.  

Like getting cancer from eating chemically laden food when the alternative choices are just not available. Yet someone gets rich selling such processed food {their so-called "good karma"} now having a social life full of "casual grace" wining, dinning and dancing with ease, while others bite the dust all around them. 

How much suffering is truly ones own karma these days. To bear the bad karma of social engeneerring in all of it's humanistric folly does take a strong and compassionate soul, as in a simpler purer culture the suffering is usually way less "chronic" or degenerative in the long-term sense.

Rather than try to console one another with "philosophies of graceful suffering" we really need to "greatly minimize all suffering" by being more graceful in our day-to-day interactive choices.

As suffering does not come from no where. Even compassion is often only even "required" due to previous misuses of passion itself; again at the very expense of a more graceful demeanor. 

In otherwords grace should be more existentially abundant as a precurser to all that we do, hence very little suffering to begin with ... after all Eden is still right in our back yards in spite of all our blindness to the very joys of a more simple organic life

There is virtually no suffering that we do not cause unto ourselves and each other as a graceless humanity to begin with. There really being no romantic notions of philosophical purport to suffering other than realizing the actual underlying causes, which again would be "nowhere to be found" if all of our actions were more attentive, cogent and graceful to begin with...  

.. the very suffering pain of stubbing ones toe virtually telling us of our lack of gracefulness itself ... as if forever made wise only in relation to our own original foolishness

 

"Wonder is what Mystery would do if it was conscious" ...

"Wandering is for every other possibility"

 

Pippalayana Muni

Tasty!

Thanks Ram Dass. This came as a timely reminder to me, to check my own methodology in regards to a modest effort to engage with folks who become captured in the experience we call "depression" - people who often find themselves isolated, frightened, discarded and finacially adrift. A reminder to offer them the basic food of friendship and encouragement first, and maybe invite them to have a bite of the Big Sandwich of Being when it's more appropriate. To keep an eye out for that fine line between being helpful and laying a trip on someone.

And I have to say, that phrase - "you can't lay a trip" - took me back to another time and place, one in which we were both younger - or is it that we were so much older then and are younger than that now? Maybe both!

Best wishes.

ram dass, your words always

ram dass, your words always come to me at the most needed moments in my life, as i have suffered a catastrophic spinal cord injury from a gun shot to my chest and have become completely paralyzed from the chest down. i have been in a hospital since nov 27th, i almost died but my body and mind have stayed alive and i have a long unknown road ahead. i must learn to embrace this moment of suffering but it is so easy to hate it, instead of using it to learn, the more fear i have the closer i am to the truth.

You haven't suffered, you've only watched other people suffer

Pippalayana, if you had suffered yourself, you wouldn't be saying that people cause their own suffering. Sometimes that's true, sometimes it's not.

Clarification

I did mention quite clearly how there is other individual and/or collective "karma" that we can easily get caught up in and hence suffer just because others are screwing up at our very expense.   

So I really can't see  how you have come to put me in this category of judgement as I specifically pointed that out.  Jesus said "Father forgive them ... they know not what they do" .... still there is the tendency to romanticize the suffering of ones self and others.

I also pointed out how even so-called compassion can become it's own scapegoat, depending on the consciousness of the individual.  

The main point I was making is that there will never really be "grace in sufering" ...  as all suffering comes about at the very expence of grace, whether ones own or others.  

Pain and misery can certainly be heroically tolerated, or on the other hand egotistically absorbed in ... as we all have at leaast some conscious choice in our personal experience of both good and bad karma ... whether individual or shared.

Hopefully this lets me off the hook of your critique, as what I wrote previously gave a more complete perspective if indeed you actually read through the whole piece.  

 

 "Wonder is what Mystery would do if it was conscious" ...

"Wandering is for every other possibility"

 

Pippalayana Muni 

Clueless - sorry

Well Pippalayana, you did say this: "There is virtually no suffering that we do not cause unto ourselves and each other as a graceless humanity to begin with." Actually, that's damn insulting. Anyway, I didn't mean to single you out. I'm quite sure that you're all good decent people. But it's clear that with the exception of jazzjupiter, nobody on this page has any real experience of suffering - Ram Dass included. The "grace" that suffering can bring is because suffering requires us to overcome obstacles. The more the suffering, the greater the obstacles to be overcome. The result can be deep profound wisdom that might not otherwise be found.

Suffer Me Silly

There is all kinds of suffering and I agree all of us learn from our mistakes on all levels and that there is likely no one who does not suffer some sense of injustice at every level conceivable.   

I just do not agree that there is any "life lesson" that ultimately requires suffering to uncover beyond ones individual or collective karma.  

Did Ram Das's Guru have to suffer to teach him about his personal karmic suffering ... no, he just had to be realized in Dharma, the state beyond both the good and bad karma.   

Ram Das also felt "insulted" as do all of us aspiring to wisdom, when the guru, teacher, mentor or even casual aquaintance so easily points out our own lack of conscious participation in our own freedom from suffering. {reading his earlier history when first meeting his guru} 

Others can certainly have as much  to do with ones personal suffering, even more so, than ones own karma, yet however so slightly it is also partly due to our inertial  karmic momentum that got us there to that very juncture point of contention.

As one never has nothing to do with it as all is connected.  Ram Das never had to experience a stroke to learn any lesson of compassion outside of his personal karma, yet "because of personal karma" he does now have the opportunity for a unique perspective on such ... well I think we are saying the exact same thing ultimately. 

Oh, by the way I had a brain stroke back in 2003 that had me completly paralyzed on my left side from the mouth down.  I was told  I would never get out of a wheel chair etc. 

I did suprizingly recover beyond all expectations a great deal  and can now walk and do somethings although I am considered permanently disabled having almost no use of my left hand and have a permanent limp.

My right-to-left brain misfiring happens all the time so when I write I have to do a conceptual "short-hand style of abstraction" as my thoughts do not " flow" as they once did. and when I type it is only with one finger. 

My point being that the only actual suffering experienced in such situations is the suffering relative to ones previous state of karma, and that any particular life lesson learned from this unique perspective, could in fact also have been learned without such a mishap, as all actual wisdom is universal in it's notion  

As there is no good or bad karma that uniquely qualifies one for the learning of Dharma .... yet it can easily be accepted how it "appears to be so" ... as our individual and collective path{s} will always be understood from our own unique perspective. 

And Grace ... 'Oh sweet grace .. such simply pervades and underlies all experience in spite of our very selves .. the very loveliness that has no cause .. forever beyond the good and evil fruits of our interaction ... forever  there before after and during all experience.   

 

"Wonder is what Mystery would do if it was conscious" ... 

"Wandering is for every other possibility"

 

Pippalayana Muni  

Did you ever

Pippalayana - I'm sorry I said that you hadn't suffered - this was somewhat ignorant of me, and insulting to you, and I apologise.

I've been thinking further about the issue, and consulting with my friend who has also been through hell.

It's true, I agree, that suffering is not the only way to gain profound wisdom. Certainly there are all kinds of other ways to gain that wisdom. I contend though, that much of the wisdom existing in the world originated with SOMEONE's suffering. As you say, it may be said that wisdom is "universal", in the sense that truth is universal (?) - but if you yourself need to know a particular thing, are you ever going to find it somewhere else? How do you actually discover the specific information or learn the skill that will help you? If the teaching comes along, that's great, but otherwise, it's up to you to figure it out.

Suffering does not have "learning" as its purpose. Suffering is just the result of events that happen to you. How can people overcome suffering? I don't feel qualified to say. I agree with Ram Dass that to face it as a reality is the only possible way of coming through it to a state of greater peace. I think we have to try and do what is necessary to overcome or work around the problem causing the suffering, or to come to terms with it; and try not to let it destroy us. I agree with him that in this process, we may have to lose and re-build ourselves, more or less deeply depending on how shattered we are. That doesn't mean that we always have to go into every aspect, every detail of the trauma - this may be too difficult and damaging. I agree that much depends on our expectations - how we think life should be - however, certain situations are never OK, and this is up to the individual to decide in each case.

It is just plain misguided for Ram Dass to think he understands suffering because he's seen other people suffer. I think that this is the reason why, as he acknowledges, he doesn't understand the grace which can come from suffering.

Whatever wisdom or skills or strengths we learn from overcoming suffering are never guaranteed to actually make us happy. If we become happy, then that knowledge can become very fruitful. Otherwise, it can help other people; and it keeps the unhappy sufferer from falling over, or going down the wrong path, until such a time as he or she may be better off. It makes it possible for him or her to make the noble best of a bad situation, and surely that is a form of grace.

Grace is the Rebirth of Love.....

Grace is simply the explosion, rebirth, and breakthrough of a soundly-formed foundation of love. Only those with such a foundation are capable of deep suffering and breakthrough. And due to the 'fall' or the ongoing moral and spiritual deterioration (which is also biological) of the human species few there be that have such a foundation. Consequently we live in a world near-totally lacking in grace or love. Wherein virtually no one ever breaks through the universal darkness of self-centeredness (which is not love) and makes the return to love in all its fullness and glory.

Love

@ Bob - I agree that suffering and love are linked in many ways. I don't feel qualified to do them justice, but of course, I'm going to try.

Grace

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Love and suffering

Bob - you seem to be saying that only with love is it possible to overcome suffering.

 

I believe I agree with you.

 

I also feel that suffering makes love more possible - that only those who have known the depths of suffering can know the true heights of love. Why? Because they know how badly it is needed and what can go wrong without it.

 

Is suffering the opposite of love? Quite possibly.

 

Suffering can be an everyday thing, rather than a great tragedy. I believe that the most "real" people are those who embrace the ugliness and pain in the world around them, and these people also tend to be the most loving, and the most sensible. That's perhaps why women tend to be more loving and sensible than men. (Sorry men - you know what to do - sort it out.) Of course, suffering is inherent to all living things.

Blessed....

There is a saying I live by....Blessed are those who are compeled to be humble but more blessed are those who humble themselves.....You see both are blessed (with Grace) I have experinced both ways and am thankful for the lessons in sufffering I have learned ...But now through enough times being compeled to be humble I have learned to humble myself ( have made myself more conscious of what is happening around me and make humble choices) I live in more peace than I ever have And when I see others suffering especially my family I know their blessings are coming in what ever they are going through.....Grace is always there surrounding us.....It just our choice how we are going to recieve it.....And Blessed are we....By the grace of God there I go.....

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I have suffered a catastrophic spinal cord injury from a gun shot to my chest and have become completely paralyzed from the chest down. cell phone spy software

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I'm sorry for your loss.  I truly hope that something good can come of it. 

It is not something that can

It is not something that can be a rationalization for allowing another human being to suffer. text spy

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Definitely not.  That can be a danger. 

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