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Adding insult to injury, several major credit card companies have recently increased interest rates to the average tune of percent. These big banks have received billions of our tax dollars, as well as interest-free overnight loans to rescue them from their own unravelling. Meanwhile, their customers are losing their jobs and homes.

While the Federal Reserve recently passed a rule that will punish abusive rate increases, it does not go into effect until mid-2010. Now is the time for standards that prevent them from abusing the very people who bailed them out. Please contact your lawmakers and let them know we cannot wait another year for credit card reform.

 

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I'm sorry to be so vehemently contrarian, but... while I am just as infuriated as most others about banks and financial institutions getting bailed out by the taxpayers... WE DO NOT WANT ARTIFICIALLY LOW INTEREST RATES! That's exactly what got us into this whole mess in the first place.

 

The last thing that's going to help our economy right now is for everyone to start buying things on credit again. We need savings and sound investment right now, NOT CONSUMER SPENDING. The reason credit card companies have increased their rates so dramatically is because THERE'S VERY LITTLE MONEY TO BE LENT.

 

The Federal reserve is NOT your friend. It is a cartelization device put into place for the benefit of banking and financial giants.

 

The Federal Government is NOT your friend. It is a violent monopoly, plain and simple. An estimated 95% of those who contacted their representatives in Congress back in September opposed the bailouts, and continue to, and they all pass anyway. These people do not care about you.

Thank you for your comment

Thank you for your comment Entangled Roots. How much does it really cost big companies such as CitiBank, HSBC etc, to lend their money, or continue extending the credit they already have outstanding? When they are paying anywhere from zero to 2.5% to loan the money from the Fed, do they really need to increase the rates to 10, even 14%?

There's an old saying that banking is a 3-6-3 business. You borrow money at 3%, loan it out at 6%, and you're on the golf course by 3pm :) I can see why these companies, given the current recession, would selfishly increase that to 0-14-3. Companies, although treated in the courts as an entity like a person, are not people. So of course they don't care. I would consider this the other dangerous end of the spectrum, at artificially high interest rates.

How else is someone who lost their job, has spent their savings, has no resources, going to pay for groceries? Their credit card, if they have one. When your choices are either use your credit or starve, I know which one I would pick. Credit card companies know this and have chosen to try to profit from it, and all I am saying is that is not in line with the values we should have in times such as this. I am not saying, Go out and get that new leather couch, run up your credit on materialistic items (I am not telling anyone how to spend their money!). I am saying that this practice is so predatory we should stand up against it.

Currently if I were to generalize my views on the federal government I would agree with you that they are not my friends and they don't care about me. When I look to a politician I am not looking for friendship. I am looking for someone who will stand up for what is right, true and natural. Most do not share these values with me - although I have found quite a few at the state and county level. It is OUR job to change that, however ardous that task sounds today. But, if we can dream it, we can be it.

"The only thing constant in life is change" -François de la Rochefoucauld

Thank you for your reply

Bridget, you raise some good questions, but ones that seem to stem from a lack of economic understanding.

 

Indeed, Bridget, if a person has no revenue and no savings left, his/her options are to make purchases on credit or seek charity from others (we're assuming here, that he/she is not the recipient of unemployment insurance, severance pay, or welfare). If a person is to make a purchase on credit, it is up to him/her to decide whether or not it is worth paying back on the designated interest rate.

 

The rate of interest is the value placed on goods today versus goods in the future. Credit card companies have not raised their interest rates in an attempt to prey on certain people's need for money. Credit card companies, like many others in today's economy, are struggling to make their payments and meet their debt obligations. They are currently in the process of renogotiating interest rates with many of their customers on the basis that many are struggling to pay them back and, at this point, they need to worry more about recouping their loans. Remember, credit card companies compete with each other. All else remaining equal, it would not make sense for a credit card company to suddenly increase its rates, because competing credit card companies would swoop in to steal its market share by providing lower rates. The reason that credit card companies have increased their rates is because they don't have a lot to lend right now.

 

High interest rates are disincentives for buying on credit, which means people have more of a tendency to reserve their use of credit for when they think it is really "worth it." It incentivizes resourceful spending, savings, and capital formation. Lowering these rates by political edict will only create more economic turmoil in the form of bubble malinvestment and eventually credit shortages. Price controls almost always lead to shortages and malinvestment, and price controls on money are no exception. We already have a corrupt, price-controlled monetary system in the form of the Federal Reserve. The last thing we need is more of the same.

 

I am also compelled to point out the inherent immorality and violence of what you are advocating. Essentially, you are advocating the use of force against other individuals to make decisions as you see fit. Although I think your intentions are good, Bridget, I frankly see your advocacy as fascistic and not a constructive meme toward a sustainable society. Imagine if other people forced you to offer your labor at a certain price.

 

 

 

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Ok, entangled roots, I read your reply yesterday and wanted to chew on it awhile before responding, as my initial reaction was more akin to a Springer show "You don't know me" than anything constructive. So now that I've collected my thoughts, I would like to share them with you.

"Bridget, you raise some good questions, but ones that seem to stem from a lack of economic understanding."

A fine start, and although my day job is in the banking industry (operations, compliance, etc) I have a great deal of humility and know that of course I don't know everything about finance, and was still willing to read on and learn your perspective.

"If a person is to make a purchase on credit, it is up to him/her to decide whether or not it is worth paying back on the designated interest rate." This is such a great point, and I completely agree. I am more upset about those who already have a balance they're trying to pay off and they aren't able to reduce principal when most if not all of their payment is going to interest.

Truly, I enjoyed your POV until you were "compelled to point out" my supposed "inherent immorality and violence of what (I am) advocating... the use of force against other individuals to make decisions as (I) see fit." I am very curious as to how you came to that conclusion about me/my views. It seemed to me that all I was advocating was that if the readership felt as I do, they should not be silent about it. This is no different from, say, protesting, which I always do peacefully.

So I ask you - - - What led you to the assumptions have you made about my personal opinion and agenda?

I feel that all you have managed to point out in your last paragraph is that you weren't willing to ask questions, that you were too confident in your assumptions. But that is a very human thing to do, especially when one is passionate about thier POV. I'm willing to continue the conversation if you are, but let's try to keep it a bit more respectful - meaning, no yelling (caps) or personal attacks (i.e. I'm a fascist).

 

"The only thing constant in life is change" -François de la Rochefoucauld

First, let me say I'm sorry...

Bridget, I regret that I've offended you. You should know that, although my comments may have been firm, there was no anger behind them. Sometimes I forget how the reader's perception of written words can differ substantially from the writer's emotional state. My CAPS were not intended as yelling so much as they were intended as a desperate plea. Perhaps "fascistic" was too strong a word to use, but I specifically chose it because I anticipated that it would cause you to stir a bit. However, I was hoping that that emotional response would catalyze a certain sympathetic intrigue in my perspective, and perhaps stimulate further investigation on your part. Although, I suppose, in a way, it was partially successful in that regard. But my intentions were never to attack your person or put you on the defensive. To answer your question... You ended your first post by requesting, "Please contact your lawmakers and let them know we cannot wait another year for credit card reform." Well, on the surface that may seem harmless, and perhaps even virtuous at times, but what is it that is really being done in such a situation? What is it that is actually happening when people ask/lobby/use the government to pass laws in accord with their views? What happens when you do not obey the law? Well, if you're caught, you'll receive an order to pay a certain penalty. If you do not obey that order. You'll likely receive another order to pay a harsher penalty. Regardless of how many orders happen to be given to you, if you do not obey them the end result is people in some sort of uniform showing up to capture you. If you defend yourself from capture, you are almost guaranteed to suffer physical injury. The extent to which you defend yourself is potentially a question of whether you want to live or die. My point is that the government is a gun pointed at you. This gun proves legitimate insofar as it serves in the defense of those whose person's and/or property are damaged/attacked/threatened by others (of course the inherent contradiction of government is that it claims to defend your rights while simultaneously violating them). Simply put, it is not right for anyone (regardless of affiliation) to point a gun at anyone else and demand that he/she does as he/she says. Anyone who lobbies legislators to pass laws that will effectively dictate to other individuals what they must do or cannot do with their own person and/or property is complicit in threatening violence. By advocating for laws to be passed that will dictate what interest rates credit card companies can and cannot set, you are complicit in pointing a gun at the folks working for those companies. If you were to walk into Visa's offices and point a gun at its workers, demanding that they lower interest rates, would you consider this a morally acceptable act? It is hardly different from someone walking into your office, pointing a gun at you, and demanding that you work for less pay. That was my point, and that is my perspective. I should have clarified this before, as it is not readily apparent, and my intention for using strong language like, "fascistic" is to make the situation more apparent. So long as the violent threats remain invisible, the immorality, I believe, will remain obscured. I see it as the big elephant in the room that no one talks about. It is my belief that violence is not a constructive way to solve problems, and we cannot really begin to be deal with problems successfully until we are no longer trying to dominate one another with threats of violence. So I try to point out the elephant to at least get people to see it and talk about it. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this if you have the time. Thanks for engaging in a discussion with me.

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Thank you for continuing this discussion. So if I contact my lawmakers about doing something about anything, I am perpetuating the vicious cycle of violence. So then what else can I do? I agree the system is far from perfect, but at this point I dont see a viable alternative ... If you have one, i would love to hear it.

"The only thing constant in life is change" -François de la Rochefoucauld

That's an enormous question to tackle...

...but I will try to answer it, generally.

 

First, I would like to note that it is not my view that you are "perpetuating the vicious cycle of violence" by "[contacting your] lawmakers about doing something about anything." You are only perpetuating that violence if you contact your lawmakers about doing something that regulates other people's freedoms beyond non-contractual intrusions or damages to other people or property. In other words, there's a big difference between the government saying to a fertilizer company, "you're not allowed to fertilize Ms. Algiere's lawn without her consent" and saying,  "you're not allowed to use this fertilizer that Ms. Algiere's wants you to use on her lawn."

 

If you want to focus on reformation of law and, thus, the economic system as a whole, then hooray! But not by adovcating for more robust and aggressive legislation. Instead of focusing on symptoms, focus on getting rid of the disease.

 

You could try to get a lot of violence that's in place repealed (a lot of violence that directly led to the current economic crisis) and attempt to halt legislation that is delaying economic recovery. For example, you could advocate against the bailouts and enormous spending bills that are leading to a long-lasting depression and the eventual destruction of the dollar. You could advocate against fractional reserve banking, restrictions on creating independent currencies, the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, the SEC, Sarbanes-Oxley, GSEs like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, HUD, the CRA, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, and "pro-ownership" tax codes, all of which have played tremendous roles in distorting the market and creating our current crisis.

 

Getting rid of this violence in the system is paramount in allowing for a more equitable, healthy, and sustainable economy, which, in the long run, is going to be the biggest boon for others. So if you want the government to do something to help, you might want to get it to start by stopping at least some of those operations.

 

So, what else can you do? Well, I don't know you, and I don't know what your skills, social relations, professional connections, financial health, or other resources are that you have available to you, but I can't imagine there's some way in which you can't put them to use to help out those who are struggling. Donate money, or food, or supplies. Rally others to do the same. Maybe you loan your own money at 0% interest. Maybe you create an online community to register/recognize families in trouble and syphon resources to them. Maybe you join in efforts that have already coalesced. Maybe you develop an outreach program to help those whose jobs have been revealed obsolete after the crash retrain for work that is in higher demand. Maybe you have friends or acquaintences who have more resources at their disposal than you do, and you can persuade them to devote resources to your cause. Maybe you're struggling yourself and your priorities are set on your career, leaving little time to devote to others, in which case maybe you could convince people in a more flexible situation than you to adopt your goals. 

 

What you individually contribute is limited only by your own resources, aspirations, priorities, and imagination. Unless used as a defense against the forceful and uncompromising pursuits of others in violation of person and/or property, violence is never a "viable alternative." Violence begets violence. Violence is lazy. Violence is not and cannot ever be an answer to social problems.

 

I hope you see at least some of what I've mentioned as an alternative to simply getting lawmakers to force credit card companies to lower their interest rates. Thanks for your curiosity.

 

 

I do, thank you!

While my (material) resources are very few and tied to keeping my little family afloat, I completely appreciate your idea arsenal. As your name implies, you are able to see the roots of these problems and some of your solutions were not immediately apparent to me. So thanks for your creativity - I would love to implement every single one of them in my life. As of right now I share my garden produce, mentor at-risk teenagers, donate a small amount of $ to a few causes per year, and donate my time to write this blog for RS. As my small children become more independent on their Mommy I hope to tackle larger issues. Peace :)

"The only thing constant in life is change" -François de la Rochefoucauld

And I thank you!

It's excellent to hear that you're doing what you can to help out! Writing for a blog like this can actually end up being one of the greatest contributions you could make if you have a voice that reaches people and motivates them. I admire your devotion to understanding and not being dismissive with me, since I recognize that my initial response to your article was immaturely worded. Most people want to/try to make the world a better place, I think, and you clearly respect and open up to what other people have to say. That is a crucial step in working towards a culture of voluntarism and persuasion rather than force. Thank you. I think we both have learned something from this exchange.