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I’ve been curious about how mainstream medicine has dealt with the issue of fasting for health.  I don’t have access to academic databases, so I did the next best thing: I went to Google Scholar and I typed “benefits of fasting” with a search restricted to medical papers.  There was a grand total of 35 items, of which not one was a direct study about fasting.  All the links were anecdotal or indirect.  Perhaps a reader will be able to point out examples that I missed, but for me the result was no surprise.  Why would the Big Health Machine subsidize knowledge that could undermine its authority?  It takes money to do journal-caliber research and who would outlay it in support of a health paradigm that totally invalidates modern “scientific” medicine?

An angel, that’s who.  As in: angel investor.  Someone who has money but isn’t attached to the status quo.  Perhaps a member of the recent innovator/entrepreneurs who are more open to alternative viewpoints. I am calling on the forces of the cosmos to direct the right person toward this mission.  Do I believe such a study would cause changes in the health care system?  No, there are enough people, unwilling to look and entrenched in the right positions, to ensure that the monolith won’t budge. Once a social institution – justice, education, health care, defense, whatever – reaches a certain size, its original purpose takes second billing behind the new #1 purpose: survival.  Any unforeseen event or innovation that would require adaptation and perhaps shrinkage is handled as a threat.

Nevertheless, we are living in a time when collective beliefs and consensual paradigms are more malleable than ever before.  Everything is in flux, everything is in play, even the most cherished beliefs of our culture.  Each one of us affects this work in progress – that’s a belief I like holding on to.  In that spirit, I offer the following brief.

In compliance with existing legislation, it is hereby stated that nothing in this piece should be interpreted as advice for the treatment of illnesses.  Each reader should follow the directions of a legitimate professional.

Conversely, and under the protection of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, the reader is advised to stay away from “modern” “scientific” medicine as much as is feasible. 

 

Why Fasting?

In nature, every living organism, when sick or injured, stops eating.  Even a bacterium, when placed in a hostile environment, will interrupt the nutrition process to concentrate on self-preservation.  Modern humans are the only species whose members can spend their whole life without fasting a single day.  When sick or injured, we actually put more stuff in the body, usually not food, but drugs.

I have been using fasting in my life for 40 years.  It has been a crucial tool in my survival and healing.  I was always frail and subject to illnesses.  At the age of 18, my future in this body was very iffy.  The following is based on experiential knowledge.  When I use scientific jargon, I do so only if that statement has been confirmed by my direct perceptions.  One of the great blessings of this practice is developing your awareness of physiological processes.  In the long term, you are empowered to make more of your own decisions about your body and rely less on external authorities.  There may be times when you still need help -- they just become less frequent.   

Please do not believe anything I say here.  Check it out for yourself by doing it.  I have made most of the mistakes I mention.  You may use this information to avoid repeating them and to fast in the best possible conditions, but ultimately, the truth is found through experience.

  

What Fasting Is and What It Is Not

Fasting has become popular of late, but the term is used very broadly.  People are advertising juice fasts, fruit fasts, fasts with supplements, enemas, garlic, wheat grass, pineapple, clay, herbs, teas, etc.  Technically, those are not fasts.  They are diets: cleansing diets, purifying diets, detoxifying diets, healing diets, and sometimes absurd diets.

The so-called water fast is the only one that should be called a fastI am not saying this because I like being supercilious about it.  There are two reasons for maintaining that distinction.  One has to do with the unique benefits of fasting with water only.  The other one has to do with the “theory of health” underlying most of those regimens, which is slightly different from the rationale for fasting.

In the water fast, the total abstinence from food triggers a major physiological shift.

Since you are still expending energy and rebuilding cells, but you are not ingesting the materials you need for it, you start breaking down some of your own tissues for those purposes. The technical name for it is autolysis (breaking oneself down). The wonderful thing about it is that the organism in its wisdom starts by eating the most useless and worthless tissues available: tumors, cysts, fibromes, lipomes and other growths, toxins and other deposits that are clogging the system, and then interstitial fat.  Intra-cellular detoxification is intensified.  This is, roughly described, the mechanism for the physical healing in fasting.

When you “fast” with juices or other accommodations, this physiological shift only happens partly.  It is mitigated by the need to digest the juices, which are foods.  This digestion requires energy and generates waste products.  Not only is the purification less intensive, the profound physiological rest and “inward-turning of water fasting do not happen at all.

The second reason for that distinction is that the logic of fasting is radically different from the logic of remedies, even natural, holistic or homeopathic remedies.  In fasting, I basically trust nature, my nature.  I surrender to a process that is guided by a huge biological wisdom that no human medical system can approach in sophistication and effectiveness.  The concept, for instance, of a food that is “good for you” implies the possibility of doing something to the body to make it function better.  When examined closely, this notion is what drives all systems of interventionist medicine.  Personally, after having observed the profound changes that occur in a fast and refined my “physiological third eye” over the years, I find that approach somewhat heavy-handed and naive. There is a little of the mechanical in it. True, there are affinities and beneficial relationships that can develop with certain foods or plants.  Even in that case, the most one can say is “this is good for me.”    

When you follow one of the “fasts” that involve taking things that are “good for you” you are working within two paradigms that are not compatible with each other and you are not experiencing the dimension of surrender to a higher intelligence at the cellular level.  That kind of intensely experiential spirituality is a unique feature of complete water fasts.

On the other hand, those hybrid “fasts” are much better adapted to urban living.  If you live in a city, hold a job or other demanding responsibilities, a 100% water fast is not advisable, except for short periods under well-controlled conditions.  In order to detoxify in depth while maintaining a high level of functionality within city standards, you should consider one of the many cleansing regimens currently advertised. 

 

Why to Fast and Why Not to Fast

It is not necessary to be sick in order to fast. But if one is sick, it is really recommended, especially with the kind of generic sickness people call “colds” or “flu” which are caused by a clogging of the system through overeating, a jamming of the detoxification system by drugs, pollution, disharmonious living situations or a combination of the above.  Under such circumstances, and as long as your general state of health is not severely impaired, you will be pleasantly surprised by the relief of your symptoms and the general sense of wellness you will quickly reach.

Better yet is fasting while well.  In the framework of personal growth, it will allow you to experience the many levels of heightened awareness that become available and take advantage of them for the long term.

Any spiritual or creative practice will be enhanced and intensified by fasting.  All kinds of known and unknown physical and mental problems can get handled in a fast, whether that was your intention or not.  If you are working on any type of deep, core emotional healing process, fasting will tend to loosen the material and make it more accessible.

Fasting for weight loss usually will not work. You will lose weight during the fast, then gradually regain it over a period of days or weeks after you start eating again.  Your current weight, whether or not you are happy with it, is the end result of a complex negotiation between multiple forces including your diet, lifestyle, emotional and spiritual state, closest relationships, and so on.  It is a state of balance, the most positive homeostatic condition the genius of the organism could achieve under that set of perceived conditions.  In my opinion, body weight can change permanently and remain at a new, stable level only when that set of conditions or the way you perceive them is altered and a new bargain is struck.

 

How to Fast and How Not to Fast

As much as possible, fast in the country. Every day, you will get more sensitive, psychically and sensually. If you're in the city, air pollution, smells, visual ugliness, sound pollution, mental vibrations from neighbors in apartment buildings, any disharmony with people you live with, all those things will bother you more and more every day of a fast. Try to handle as much of it as possible before you start. I like to go backpacking alone for a few days to do a short fast. At least, try to do it in the country and not have any lingering preoccupations about work, relationships, money, etc. Do not fast in the company of someone you have unresolved difficulties with. Do not have anyone take drugs of any kind around you.  That would include things like coffee and meat. You will become very sensitive to their presence.

Reduce the amount of food you eat one or two days before the fast. Here is why. That food will get digested and will become dry and hard in your colon.  When you break the fast, you will notice it at the beginning of your first bowel movement: hard and dry. If there was a lot in your digestive system when you started fasting, it could be painful the first time.  Contrary to popular advice, it is not necessary to resort to enemas or colonics to handle that food from before the fast.  The intense detoxifying process will apply there as well and make the waste material sterile and harmless.  Just eat lightly before the fast.

People are often surprised to find that hunger is not an issue while fasting, as long as there are no outside stresses.  Usually, after the first 24 hours, you are not hungry at all.  You have settled into a different metabolic regimen. 

Drink the finest water you can find. Drink when you're thirsty. Do not drink “dogmatically” (following someone else’s advice or a book).

Have some moderate physical exercise during the fast. Do not treat yourself like a sick person, unless you are sick. You can do moderate work, physical or intellectual.  Avoid long electronic exposure to TV or computer screens.  Take walks in the country.  Play or listen to music, do creative work or rest.  Avoid intense social interactions with people who are not fasting.

In my experience, if something unexpected happens that requires a great mobilization of energy, I am able to respond adequately, even on a prolonged fast, but then I will probably feel like eating afterwards to repair the effect of the stress.  When that has happened in the past, I didn’t resist it: I broke the fast.

The easiest length to start with is one day and two nights.  If you are a city resident with a Monday-through-Friday job, you would eat lightly on Friday night, stay home all day Saturday and fast, then break the fast on Sunday morning and spend most of Sunday at home doing quiet things.  Shorter fasts like skipping dinner or not eating beyond a certain time in the evening are excellent practice and will make you feel great in the morning.

How to break the fast is of paramount importance. Ideally, you should have, for each fasting day, one day available to reenter gradually before going back to your usual routine (1+1 in the above example).  Brutal reentry can lead to very unpleasant experiences similar to a “bad trip.”  Even after a one-day fast, be very aware of what you eat the first time.  Personally it's always fresh fruit. Whatever you choose --trust your instinct -- I think it should be fresh and as alive as possible, meaning no cooked, complicated, refined or preserved food--basically, raw fruit or raw vegetable. Even if you are a regular meat-eater, if you break a fast with meat, you will probably experience it as dead flesh (maybe for the first time ever) and you will not like the experience.

The first food after a fast is an incredible experience.  Smell it, chew it slowly. I like to cut an orange in half and spend some time smelling it even before I lick the surface!

Take time to go back gradually to eating everything -- three days for a three-day fast, etc. is a good rule of thumb.  If you left the city in order to fast, that is also a good plan: have a week in the country available for a three-day fast, two weeks for a one-week fast, etc.

According to practitioners who have supervised long fasts for the healing of serious conditions, one reaches a point when all useless body tissues have been burned down in the process and, presumably, the illness has been resolved.  At that point, the organism would start breaking down muscle tissue – an undesirable event – and in its amazing wisdom, it warns you by making you feel hungry again.  I have never supervised or taken my own fast to that length, but this notion agrees with all my experiences.  I am never hungry when I fast.  Every time I break a fast, it is for practical reasons unrelated to physiology.  I always feel great and wish I didn't have to deal with the “real” world and could go on exploring.

For an average North American adult, taking a fast to its natural conclusion could literally take months, weeks for a healthier-than-average person.

What should be clear from the above is that fasting itself is easy – there is literally nothing to it.  What is less easy is rearranging the circumstances of our lives to make this doing nothing possible.

 

Fasting and Entheogenic Substances

Many of the better-known entheogenic substances have a cleansing, detoxifying effect which is not antagonistic to fasting.  This is in contrast to toxic drugs like coffee, tea or tobacco that are a really bad idea in combination with fasting.  However, using entheogens while on a fast is likely to create a demand for energy that will cause you to get hungry.  If that situation occurs, one should eat.

I recommend a slightly different approach which preserves the benefits of both practices and provides a wonderful synergy between them: first fast, then break the fast, then use the entheogen (only in a lawful context, of course).  This can be done within the weekend scenario described above.  You fast on Saturday, break the fast on Sunday morning, then ingest later on Sunday.  On Monday morning, go to work whistling a happy tune.

When we live in a city environment, the entheogenic experience can be overtaken by the process of burning off the low-level upsets, stresses, frustrations, incomplete interactions, lingering physiological irritants, stimulants and unneeded foods that are inherent in that lifestyle.  What is left for serious inner work depends on the individual but is not usually up to the full potential of the entheogen taken in a meditative or ceremonial settingThe experience can be chaotic, superficial and ultimately disappointing.

Fasting before using the entheogen will handle a lot of these obstacles and free you to get to a deeper layer.  The two practices work beautifully together, but not simultaneously.  If you try it, please let me know how it went.

Generally speaking, I don’t think taking any drug while fasting is a good idea, even healing or entheogenic ones.  In a fast, the organism turns inwardly into a profound, intimate process that doesn’t require any outside help, even from a healing plant.  An especially bad idea would be cannabis.  It almost certainly would lead to hypoglycemia (“the munchies”), which would be likely to make you break the fast in an inappropriate and excessive way.

 

 

Resources

The books of Herbert Shelton contain the “purist” approach to fasting that the present text more or less follows.  Natural Hygiene is the traditional name of that school of thought.  The organization that carries on this approach is now called the National Health Association: http://www.healthscience.org  There are many other authors and advisers who talk about fasting, but they often amalgamate it with other practices and lack rigor in their presentation.  Part of my motivation for writing this was to distance myself from most of them.

 

May this information be of service to you.  May it hasten the liberation of all sentient beings.

 

 

There’s hidden sweetness in the stomach’s emptiness.

We are lutes, no more, no less.  If the soundbox

is stuffed full of anything, no music.

If the brain and the belly are burning clean

with fasting, every moment a new song comes out of the fire.

The fog clears and new energy makes you

run up the steps in front of you.

Be emptier and cry like reed instruments cry.

Emptier, write secrets with the reed pen.

When you’re full of food and drink, an ugly metal

statue sits where your spirit should.  When you fast,

good habits gather like friends who want to help.

Fasting is Solomon’s ring.  Don’t give it

to some illusion and lose your power,

but even if you have, if you’ve lost all will and control,

they come back when you fast, like soldiers appearing

out of the ground, pennants flying above them.

A table descends to your tents,

Jesus’ table.

Expect to see it, when you fast, this table

spread with other food, better than the broth of cabbages.

 

Rumi, translation Coleman Barks

 

Comments

Proof mounts on restricted diet

just wondering

will you become a spiritual being? i guess not. ask the starving people in our world. i think fasting is a cynical act, and i wonder who you are healing.

yeah!

~illuuminuus~  myspace.com/illuuminus     

Me an pyrrho are gonna sacrifice a fat juicy calf and have a bloody finger lickin feast when we git sick!  We'll wash it down with coke and booze, and we'll do it when u git sick too!!  Anything less wud be unamerican!  Only fasting we're gonna do is eatin fast food!!  Ha!  Get it??  Cynical friggin fasters along with anyone who abstains from cigarettes, fast food, and pharmaceuticals is a goddamn traitor and a terrorist!!

Take It Easy

Hey illuminuus,

Let's take it easy here.  This is borderline against our community guidelines, especially concerning "Being Respectful." You can check out our guidelines here:

http://www.realitysandwich.com/comments_guidelines

moderation

Hey Moderator,

First, thank you for volunteering to do this useful job.

Secondly, I would have to disagree with you on this case.  There is no actual disrespect or personal attack in that post -- just a feeble attempt at humor.  Trying and failing to be funny can be problematic, but it doesn't require policing, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Brad    

Immaturity

Most communities hold themselves to a set of standards  (different standards; different communities).  Whether it necessitate policing intentional ill-humorists on a message board or physically coralling the disobedient delinquents, let it be done.

 

As much as the author may look the other way, the principle of the matter is respect.  Sardonic wit within a context of positive disclosure, as such, is plain disrespectful.

interventionism

"Sardonic wit within a context of positive disclosure, as such, is plain disrespectful. "

 

I do not understand this sentence.  What is "a context of positive disclosure"? 

My criterion for "moderatable" comments is, does it criticize the person or the idea/position?  Arguments "ad hominem" have an emotional charge which doesn't belong on discussion boards, according to prevailing custom.     

Example:

"You ought to know better."

"How much experience do you really have?"

"I can't believe you said that." 

Examples of statements that do not require intervention, according to my understanding:

"That conclusion is absurd."

"Your whole theory just crumbled like a house of cards." 

"Let's go 'fasting' at the fast food place, bwa-ha-haaaaahhhh...." 

But like I said, that's just my take on it.

Brad 

  

an attempt to respond

>>will you become a spiritual being?

What am I now, in your worldview?  I think your universe doesn't look much like mine. 

 >> i guess not. ask the starving people in our world. i think fasting is a cynical act, and i wonder who you are healing.

I know what 'cynical' means, but I really don't understand your statement.  Do you mean that, because people are starving, it is disrespectful to them for me to stop eating -- a little bit like a mom trying to make a toddler eat his spinach by mentioning starving kids in China? 

Is fasting a selfish act?  Yes, of course.  I do it to enhance the quality of my life. 

 

 

Thanks Brad/ Question for pyrrho

Thanks, Brad for sharing this information and your experiences.

Although I have never done a strict water fast, last month I did a detox cleanse - The Master Cleanse - for the first time.

Having prepared for almost half of a year through distance running, introductory Chakra-work, and a mostly-vegetarian diet, my experience was both mind-opening and body-awakening.

I'm curious about the comment above from pyrrho. In my mind, there is no connection to be made between a person in the Land of Plenty making a choice to abstain from food and a person who is starving due to lack or theft of resources. Do those of us who seek to enhance our minds, bodies, and spirits through fasting do a disservice to those who are unjustly starving? I'd be appreciative of any elaboration on your stated opinion with regard to this.

The only cynicism that factored into my own experience was cynicism towards a medical/pharmaceutical industry that capitalizes on propogating the belief that our bodies should be battlefields wherein foreign artillery is employed to destroy undesireable aspects of the Ecosystem of our Selves. What I gained from my experience can not be nullified by the finger-wagging of the AMA or Oprah's Dr.

Honestly, cynicism wasn't much of a factor. Fasting and cleansing are but one way to free onesself - if only temporarily - from institutionalized definitions of health and really experience another way of being. It is an opportunity to silence the onslaught of information from the AMA, WebMd, the hungry eye of the food pyramid, and just listen to what your own body has to say about its wellbeing. I hadn't even truly realized that my body had an opinion on how it should be treated!

my experience

In my twenties I did several 7-day water-only fasts. The first time, I experienced some of what you describe, although I lost a lot of muscle. After that, and ever since, I have felt extremely hungry and weak on a fast. I wonder if it has to do with my extreme body type -- less than 5% body fat. Occasionally, when led to by my body, I will go on a short fast. "When led to by my body" really means "When I don't feel hungry" -- not eating out of habit.

Charles

set and setting

In what kind of environment did you fast?  In a stressful or toxic environment, your enhanced sensitivity can easily make the experience unpleasant.  That's why I emphasize those factors so much in this text.  That would certainly be an explanation for 'hungry.'  When the environment -- physical or 'human' -- makes demands, one will want to eat in order to face them.

Regarding 'weak,' it is a normal part of the process and it takes a few days to return to your previous *physical* energy level.  Seven days for a seven-day fast is a pretty good rule of thumb.  I emphasize 'physical' because it can be argued that fasting unobstructs and clears the chi or life force and therefore increases spiritual energy.  That can be experienced in practices like meditation, introspection, chanting, singing, creative arts, etc. 

As for 'losing a lot of muscle,' that sounds scary.  What I would venture to guess is that you fasted in a situation that did not allow the deep rest and turning within that is an essential part of the process, you forced yourself to abstain from food against your own wisdom ('hungry') and as a result your body went beyond taking its nourishment from useless tissues.

The body type can certainly be a factor, but unless you were already leading a very natural lifestyle, there was certainly enough cellular clutter to burn for a few days without getting into muscle mass.

My take, based on the very little information you provide, is that it had a lot to do with not having an environment that fostered the deep shift within, both mental and physiological, which is a key aspect of fasting.    

  

Supervised Fasting

Dr Gabriel Cpusens MD holds regular , medically supervised fasts {7-10 day / 21 day / 40 day {like Moses and Jesus ... apparently this was a standard practise of old.

The Tree of Life Rejuvination center ... www.treeoflife.nu ... 200 acresa in southern Arizona hosts such fasts regularly.

Dr Cousens is considered the modern day "Fasting Guru" ... having consistent, high levels of healing and spiritual revelations asociated with those who participate.

There is always monitoring going on.

"Charles" ... Dr Cousens was an All Americam collegiate linebacker {in college footballs "Hall of Fame"}

At the peak of his football career he could do 75 pushups, and had a much more muscular body then now.

At age 60 he did 600 pushups ... raw food vegan ... with less muscle mass than at the peak of his youth.

Of course he has done Yoga for 30 some years and has been raw food vegan for 20 some years.

It just takes the body time to adjust to "real" physiological changes ... of course the type of fast determines so many things {variables"

Dr Cousens is well known for his impeccable research ... always cutting edge ... in both conventional and alternative schools of thought.

All his findings are based or real time clinical research.

His latest book "Spiritual Nutrition" is quite profound ... lots of cutting edge stuff revealed there.

Anyhow, apparently fasting is an art, a science, and a spiritual path

... to "quicken the spirit {fast-ing} ... one has too slow down the material absorbtion {eating}

etymology

The two meanings of 'fast' indeed come from the same root:

The adjective/adverb evolved

"...from the sense of "firmly, strongly, vigorously" (cf. to run hard means to run fast; also compare fast asleep), or perhaps from the notion of a runner who "sticks" close to whatever he is chasing."

 while for the verb 'to fast'

"...the original meaning was "hold firmly," and the sense evolution is via "firm control of oneself," to "holding to observance"..."

(from www.etymonline.com)

Also see 'quick' and 'quicken' for a similar connection through the meaning of 'alive, lively.'

Thanks for nothing

I really enjoyed your article on fasting. I have been doing regular short fasts for a few years now and find them extremely beneficial. I find it hard to clear my schedule to fast with optimum circumstances and usually fast once a week for a day while working. I find it easier to deal with my work responsibilities on a fast as compared to my home and family ones. Its not that my home life is stressful but I cherish sharing food with my family as part of our communal time and am unwilling to give that up on a weekly basis. I find the rhythm of weekly fasts to work well with my lifestyle, eating habits and so forth. The one thing I find difficult is when I skip a week or two it is sometimes hard to get back on board again. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for a great article

Thanks for this article. I'm about to undertake a 4 day water fast in the NM wilderness and this feels like timely encouragement. I, too, am intrigued by pyrrho's comments. Especially the bit about wondering whom you are healing... Yeah! Who are you healing? Just keep asking yourself that one, you'll be OK. xo,Stella

a correction

This correction concerns the section titled ‘fasting and entheogens.’  If it were possible to edit the material, I would remove that section and rewrite it.  As it stands, and without even attempting to cover the subject, I would just add one distinction.

From the viewpoint of the health philosophy of the paper, many of the small indulgences of modern daily life are actually toxic.  The term ‘toxic’ does not imply a judgment.  It  has a technical meaning.  It means that things like coffee, tea, chocolate or meat contain substances that trigger the stress mechanism, sometimes called the fight-or-flight response, which Hans Selye describes as the General  Adaptation Syndrome in his classic ‘The Stress of Life.’  His conclusion was that all acute illnesses are actually variations of one syndrome, the GAS.  He brought into being the current use of the word ‘stress.’ 

What I mean by toxic is quite specific and experiential: if I go camping and fast a few days, then break the fast and later ingest one of the above, I will feel sick. 

Caffeine, nicotine, theobromine (chocolate) are part of a large family of components called alkaloids.  Alkaloids are basically what the organism is attempting to reject when it ‘gets high’ (faster heart, higher blood sugar, higher blood flow to muscles and lungs, etc.) after ingesting, say, a cup of coffee. 

 Entheogenic cacti, mushrooms, leaves, flowers, roots, barks and vines usually contain bunches of alkaloids, most of which are of no interest to humans .  Human beings ingest them for just one specific compound.  In peyote, the alkaloid of interest is called mescaline, but the cactus contains scores of them.  There are, I believe, 67 alkaloids in the ayahuasca tea.

Which, at last, brings me to my point.  When people throw up after ingesting some of these plant medicines, they are responding to the onslaught of alkaloids that challenge the liver’s ability as first line of detoxification.  The purging is often framed as a spiritual cleansing and the release of demons or negative beliefs.  But for this experiential student of physiology, they are just getting sick, not from the entheogenic substance, but from the other alkaloids that come with the package, so to speak.  If it were possible today to ingest one of these medicines shortly after a fast in nature, one would probably find the threshold for getting sick lower, but the potential benefits equally ‘quickened’ by the cellular tune-up of the fast.

In contrast, if it were possible today to ingest LSD shortly after a fast in nature, one would probably have no nausea whatsoever, just a clearer, cleaner overall experience.  As a single synthetic molecule – a molecule that was considered one of the brightest new directions in psychotherapy before it was banned – LSD does not pose a challenge to the liver.  It does whatever it does without ‘alarming’ the organism.  Still hypothetically, I believe the same would issue with purified mescaline and other isolated entheogenic molecules.

This is the distinction I wanted to add.  Everything I say here derives from direct perception rather than intellectual construct.  The readings only serve to complement the direct research.  When you read Herbert Shelton and other Natural Hygiene presenters, they may sound like radical-mystical extremists.  That is the other side of the coin of having experienced that direct physiological intelligence.  Intensity can be mistaken for dogmatism.  It can seem like you’re saying that nearly everything is bad except the most eccentric behavior, when you are only attempting to describe how things look from an unusual, but accessible, state of physiological purity.  Ironically, what I am trying to promote is access through fasting to experiences like feeling the effects of the thought ‘bad’ on one’s physiology (hint: the effects are not pleasant).     

My motive for sharing information about fasting is its potential for empowering people to free themselves from enslavement and take greater control of their health and life.  If it were just my favorite good-for-you kick, I wouldn’t bother.             

 

Pure Subtantiality

I will throw in a few other comments as well.

First of all is the "contention" that there is no true "extract" of the "Ergot fungi" {LSD the synthetic derivitive} that I know of.... {I belive there is natural "difficulty" in ease of ingestion of the "mold" directly ...{why has their never been an organic extract directly of the ergot mold ... as some speculate the "witches of Salem" were on "LSD from "contaminated ergot rye}

On the "Erowid" web site, there are some strong opinions on the fact that no one has produced "pure LSD" other than the Sandoz laboratory back when it was still legal {1960's}

Meaning ... that however close one "mimics" chemical structures in nature .. there is no telling .. even at the micro-levels ... how true synergy is "off" ... lacking.... this is the identical principled problem one confronts when looking at genetic manipulation.

Another point of contention is that, especially in the case of Peyote, that the indigenous tribes who partake regularly of Peyote, say that "only those whose heart is not pure experience a "purging"

These alkaloids are "meant" to induce a purging ... for those in need of such.

This is not just a chemical reality" one is being exposed to ... but a whole/holistic/holy synergistic experience.

LSA, found in Hawaiin Baby Woodrose Seeds, a close chemical relative of LSD, has a known poison factor {similar to apple seeds}

The relative dose for a substantial experience will again cause a purging ... after which there are hours of "free from discomfort" experience.

It should be duly noted that this so-called physical purging, more likely than not, parallels the mental and emotional purgings needed to be gone through to get to the "Entheogenic momment"

These are not meant to be "kids stuff" for the faint hearted, and most of these substances only need to be taken rarely, for, again, Entheogenic purposes.

To see them only in their chemical composition already has one a few steps removed from their true potential.

One could begin a fast "after" having reached the clarity of such Entheogenic experiences ... cleaning any of the feared alkaloid residue with simple water or juicing ... allowing the "sacredness/coolness" of the "trip" to carry over into fasting and prayer to deeply integrate what has transpired.

Some like to eat fairly regularly before long "trips" so as to have a stock of nutrition to burn on these often"intensive" experiences.

Again a few days of rest and relaxation/meditation immediatelly following.

Not to get "spirit" to help our fasting ... but getting our fasting to support the integration of "spirit"

For these substances to reach "entheogenic" quality ... they must be taken for their own sake ... on their own terms.

All synthetics are a step{s} removed from universal synergy with ones organic being.{designer tripping}

All of the Night Shades {Tomato, Potatoe,Eggplant, Bell Pepper ...} also have an alkaloid problem ... to the point of leaching calcium from the bones ... {side point}

One has to be careful to appropriarely moderate all of the things one takes ...

We are only here to learn from each and every experience, whatever potential there is to learn from it

One is not here to try to standarize the "fruits of good and evil" ... as there has never, ever been such an absolute distinction in relation to any one thing ... at any given time.... outside of the minds taste or distaste for it.

Again ... just some "advocational points of contention" ... for contemplations sake. 

Alternate searches

You might find some interesting information or research by searching on "bigu" (or "pigu"), a Chinese fasting term.

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http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/

Valid points

I believe the ideas and experiences Barneys is delineating are important.

In terms of ideas: here in the US the Right to speak idea is a matter of Law.

In terms of direct first-hand experiences, I'd have preferred to read of those apart from problems of getting outside or corroborative data.

When direct experience on the subject at hand and opinion or ideas on problems of a system are mixed: the conveyance of the message of the one or the conveyance of the evils of the impact of the other are both diluted and perhaps that suggests why some responses are also confused.

According to my reading of many different masters, this topic can be viewed in almost diametrically opposite ways. And even many permutations of such dichotomy.

According to one system: it isn't what we put into our mouths that affects our health, but what comes out of them.

And the root of what comes out of the mouth or 'words' all stem from feelings in the heart. Therefore 'fasting' would be not from material food-stuffs, but certain feelings.

According to another system, perhaps the same effect is gained, but stress is placed on food having an essence and termed 'prana'. And 'fasting' evinces awareness of 'prana'.

By witholding food, purposefully, and with attention to consciousness, stress is given to the fact consciousness is altered, the feelings affected. Hopefully towards peace, or as they put it: 'shanti'.

So, 'peace' and 'well-being' are referred to in both systems, but one way seems to have a rather mechanical mode to it, while the other or prior mode goes to principles or things most intimate to consciousness as first cause, not something affected.

One way presumes an effect, the other an effector.

There is a certain slavery in all 'medicinal' concepts.

Something needing to be taken in or not taken in and adherance to a pattern.

I think in a way you are talking about a definite and deliterious pattern in all medicine or 'healing arts'.

I agree with that, if so.

There is also a certain impotency imposed on a will for anyone we love to be well while also being of two minds on this topic.

Medicine.Inc makes millions every day on this basis.

People are confused today about the rights of parents to adhere to 'faith' versus 'medicine.inc.'

The 'rational' approach should be based on what can be done or accomplished and not on only things that agree with current concepts of knowledge and theory.

We needed only one fully proven and attestable example of one living without food to test the dogma of the neccessity of eating. Yet we have reason to believe this has been done not once but many times and studied by scientists.

These people, both the subjects and the scientists who would attest to their living by some unseen means than food or water, may not be respected.

Well, then, so what?

Where such regeneration most obtains, in those communities, no 'doctor', nor any external means probably has anything but fantastic existence. Just like in the material concept, where men and women live seemingly ever-bound to doctors, a life free of them also seems: fantastic.

Or what?

We have a slavery to community opinion. Let one show signs of illness, and the word goes out: he or she is 'slipping'. And a plan is conceived by rumor.

And the suffering one, adhering to opinion 'buys' it, and by not rejecting: accepts. And they go under.

According to the language of the root for 'prana', it deals altogether with what we term 'appropriation'.

It means, something 'not-mine'.

It is evidently life itself. Where we appropriate it and make it subject to our limited belief, we limit it and it fades out. While, according to the Siddha, where we give it free reign, and allow it to flow through us uninhibitedly, it refreshes us and regnerates our bodies.

And what could limit that more than a habit of unease?

Well, seems like that is what 'shanti' refers to.

Fasting, according to that school, refers to that more than anything that we take in. Yet, that leads to other issues. Like the life of the things we do take in.

Even air, according to them, has life. And we are eaten by our higher selves.

Until we attain our own certainty, all we do is an approximation advancing degree by degree. Yet that certainty is never transferable.

Go figure. <