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For David Wilcock, The 2012 Enigma is a logical starting point to discuss a wide range of information long held secret and recently revealed by black ops informants.

Posted on his website, Divine Cosmos, this presentation from the Conscious Life Expo touches on a wide variety of subjects, including the Pineal gland, wormholes, stargate travel, DNA shifting, Project Looking Glass, and much more.

His information comes from an acute understanding of physics biology and science, coupled with independently correlating interviews with former and current black ops intelligence agents.

He explains that we have our own personal built-in stargate technology, and additionally that the government has been developing technology similar to that seen in the film Contact.

In the end, he concludes that 2012 takes the shape of an imploding spiral that in effect changes consciousness, but only if we are open to transformation.

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David Wilcock stands out

David Wilcock stands out from the noisy crowd of New Age channel-folks thanks to his intellectual precision, his scientific interpretations of subtle cosmic metaphysics, his gift of gab (dude can rock the mic!), and his unique combination of private personal integrity and ongoing public disclosure of what drives him to put himself in such an incredibly risky and vulnerable position.

David is also helping to steadily shed light on the seamy underside of possible players contributing to mass planetary injustice and immizeration. He is really quite a unique voice to straddle the range of subjects he effortlessly raps about. I like to see David Wilcock and Daniel Pinchbeck as two complimentary voices along a vast spectrum of possible commentary on current events vis-a-vis 2012.

on point

I totally agree. It seems that David has a knack with stating the darker stuff more matter-of-factly as opposed to the usual fear-mongering tone of conspiracy cats...he just sees it as a necessary fraction of the reality we need to realize and deal with.

 

His stuff regarding crop circles as DNA representations is also particularly fascinating...

re: the Reptilian Agenda discourse

 

wanderlust

 

re-programming

I've found the 'Divine Cosmos' website to be very helpful,  I think trying to understand 'scientific interpretations of subtle cosmic metaphysics' is a great way of programming ourselves to really take on board the changes.

fascinating stuff

 i am also fascinated with this guy, who is purportd to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and returned to put Cayce's spiritual philosophy on a scientific footing. The paper that he wrote with Richard Hoagland on how 2012 might represent a high energy phase-state change in the solar system is very fascinating. It also fits perfectly with Nassim Haramein's work on torsion physics and hyperdimensional geometry - www.theresonanceproject.org . In fact, there may be a very profound and world-transformative knowledge system reassembling here!!!

"Will the transformation."-Rilke

Haramein

Thanks for that link.

I found that I can only take in Haramein through lecture on youtube, but still it is a nice fit.

 

A lot of this stuff is right in front of us, assembling--it's almost hilarious to watch people try to deny it as these things come up in conversation.

 

wanderlust

 

Illuminati, Pound and Pineals

Just when I thought I had illuminati-fatigue, along comes this compelling, provocative and engaging speaker and and thinker. The furious hyperlinking that followed led me to Ezra Pound, a most interesting figure who I knew very little about, but seems to be one of the earliest public figure to advocate this idea that central banks are covertly subverting democracy. A deeply controversial figure, of course, what with his support of fascism and his anti-semitism, though there are indications that he renounced that toward the end of his life.

More interesting still is Wilcock's notion that our biology (the pineal gland) has this pivotal role in the creating of our consciousness. All of this begs further investigation, of course, but it is damn compelling stuff. Couldn't find much supporting material on the Interwebs, at least not in my initial searching.

I also find listening to Wilcock's voice curiously soothing. I played this for a good part of the day yesterday and found it oddly pleasurable even as the material amped me up.

I'd love to hear a dialogue between David and Daniel. A future Evolver, mayhap?

Cough! Cough! Bullshit????

Inevitably, I too couldn't ignore thinking of Daniel Pinchbeck and his work as I watched this video. The two of them go in remarkably similar directions.

It is so easy to watch this video and think, "This is all a load of Bullshit." However, something inside of me wants to, and for the most part, believes all of it. It's so difficult to do your own research to verify aspects this extreme. Especially when you hear things about people using alien technology to go places, and then getting stuck in the haul of a ship. It sounds like fiction, but its only within our own minds that we define fiction I suppose. And trying to be open minded; I can't completely believe this, and at the same time I can't deny this either. I think I believe it more than I deny it to be honest.

But ignoring all of the details, I think the underlying point is important. There are fragments of "far-fetched" truth, and higher understanding, out in the open that are starting to generate and converge on to something grand. 2012? Maybe.. Probably!

I am curious to know. Daniel Pinchbeck: Is there any major area where David Wilcock and yourself would disagree? Because it seems as if you two are on the same page.

Follow me down the rabbit hole....

I think the tension you're flirting with is similar to the science (fiction) paradox that i've encountered. First, it's a tension manifested by the need to "believe in something"...which we can handle a lot more than you're normal fundamentalist---but still, I find R.A. Wilson an instant cure for this--and revert to Maybe Logic. Nevertheless, my point...Montauk, Stargates, etc... A lot of this stuff is straight from the movies, right? In terms of motives, it would make sense that individuals involved in these projects or who hear about them (and are told they cant tell ANYONE) would want to tell the story, choosing "fiction" as a medium. It also makes sense that this would work toward the Elite agenda of keeping people in the dark, even to the existence of alien tech. If you call something "Science Fiction", it's (for most linear, rational folks) obviously NOT for real. That's why we HAVE genres, to limit the interpretations of those films... Then for folks like us who realize the paradoxical style of the cosmic wink, it makes perfect sense that "science fiction is reality" (as my boy 7th Sunsays) Lo and behold, other folks are getting this information and downloading it from the synch-web. Check out this video on Montauk and the film synchronicities I think this type of work (linked above) is just the next step from Wilcock's discussion... looking for the rational scientific support seems far less interesting than looking for the more intuitive synchronistic support

wanderlust

 

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Sci-Fi

About the idea of hiding info on the massive entertainment, i noticed that he uses some points on movies based on novels of philip k. dick. for example the pre-crime of minority report or the chair of total recall, i found that philips works where always kind of futuristic precision maybe he was really getting info about real issues (whit the voices from sirus, maybe a telephatic sincronicity.) and thats why he reported that the government was cheeking him out.

dick

such an interesting case PKD is...

seems that he was straight acting as a shaman, pulling this stuff back into the moment--but he also might have just been paranoid enough to see where things are going.

 

wanderlust

 

future vision

I liked his positive vision of the future at the end of the video. It's interesting to think that wishful thinking could help bring about the changes. I think if enough emotion and conviction is put behind a desire it can achieve a lot. I think what we need is a positive vision, especially considering the current climate change predictions tend to fill one with doom.

yup

I think we need a positive vision as well, BUT one that needs to take into consideration all the negative realities in the status quo, so that we can turn around and alchemize them.

wanderlust

 

Sci-Firaq?

I agree that what Wilcox has to say about the pineal gland and about DNA-imagery found within crop circles is both fascinating and credible-sounding. Another thing that was fascinating but just a little too much for me was the bit about the Iraq War being all about the US taking away Saddam Hussein's future-traveling alien spacecraft. But I couldn't get it out of my mind, and came across this... http://www.exopolitics.org/Op-Ed-2.htm

Extra-terrestial Mysteries

Hi Gene...thanks for the link, its a bite that goes into my present research. Although the extra-terrestial story is puzzling and especially when we begin to connect it with the government it does not seem too far flung when one considers the ancients voice, always proclaiming, "and the Gods came down from heaven." Another good link on this subject is the writings and channelled transmissions of Marshall Vian Summers and the Allies Briefs, which are also online to be read. Like all transmissions they are fascinating and oddly enough produce a very, clear picture of what they say is going on in our world. They are indeed quite thought provoking.

Allies Briefs

Could we get a link, perchance?

 

wanderlust

 

Allies Link

Hi wanderlust...follow www.alliesofhumanity.org and you'll feel like your looking through the stargate into our world

The Stargate

Hi CJ....fancy meeting you here....I hope you check out the Allies Briefs....its a little like looking through what might be the actual "stargate." I recently discussed the Briefs with a well known Ufologist because as I told him I needed another perspective to clash with mine to make me think further!

The Stargate Enigma

CJ...like 2012 the stargate is a deep mystery that I am attempting to figure out through my research. The Briefs transmissions say that this is not the end of times but that the extraterrestials will use the 2012 date for their own purposes. Personally I feel from my own experience that I have already taken that leap through the stargate, its the "are we all going to take that jump together" that I am now attempting to understand. As my research is getting quite intense and serious, I may need you to scatter some of your bliss balls....to keep my mood congenial and my beliefs stable

WMD's

Exopolitics is super-interesting... Let's not forget the strange looting of the Iraqi museum...the worst looting since Constantinople. Nevertheless, maybe he really DID have "weapons of mass destruction"--just not the type that the common folk envision.

wanderlust

 

Museum looting.. hrm...

I recently watched "The 2012 Enigma" and was pretty floored by parts of it. I'd love to hear some of Wilcock's more paradigm-shattering ideas fleshed out with more support and detail.

I did find a couple of moments in his presentation rather dubious, such as when he off-handedly mentions that the US invaded Iraq because Saddam had an ancient "looking-glass" device. This is the sort of comment that immediately made me reconsider the list of people I was planning on forwarding this video to, if you know what I mean.

Yet I continued to mull it over in my head... and then yesterday I was scanning the radio, and I caught an interview with Dr. Donny George, the curator of the Iraqi Museum during its looting following the US invasion. Something kind of clicked in my head at making this connection – perhaps there was something more to the unfortuate looting of the museum's antiquities than random anarchy and opportunism. Then I check back to the discussion here, and see the video wanderlust has posted above, illustrating the odd "groups" of looters, each with their own distinct agendas... Intriguing stuff, for certain...

I'll be sending out that mass email anyway :)

-st

the sage

wow, great post.

your interpretation really resonates with this 1.

 

wanderlust

 

quite extreme...

I really want to believe all this but don't want to verify all the science that he refers to. I think i'll just wait for 2012...

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Y?

read

any of the literature on 2012,

and the point you come back to is...

it's happening NOW.

 

as long as we continue to place things "then", and not "now", the trick of time continues...

 

wanderlust

 

To all the viewers that don't have a backgorund in physics

I found this video quite thought provoking, especially the section on the pineal gland. However most of it is at best completely unverifiable and at worst complete crap. I like his philosophy and he seems like a "good guy" so I suspect that either the supposed black ops informers are inaccurately describing the events and technology's or they are quite simply lying (assuming they even exist).

I am a physics undergrad so although I am by know means a professor I can confidently say that he most definetly does not have an "acute knowledge of physics". Some of the things (emphasis on SOME!) he proposes could maybe be possible but not in the ways he describes.

Let me highlight a few of his more obvious errors:

First of all his understanding of spacetime is very inaccurate. The use of the sheet as a metaphor for spacetime is a layman's description. In reality there is no "underside", the sheet is everything! It's possilbe, in fact it is quite likely that there are more dimensions to reality (string theory for example predicts up to 20 of them) and I don't think it is inconceivable for there to be a reality in which there are three dimensions of time and only one of space but it would have to be an entirely different universe which we would be unable to get to. Also a wormhole as theorized in physics connects two points in spacetime, not one form of spacetime to another.

His interpretation of quantum mechanics is also off, there is no turning "inside out" of buckballs. In fact they do not change into anything at all, they just exhibit wave like properties. That does not mean they spontaneously turn into a wave.

Some other smaller mistakes are made in his description of the looking glass experiment. The idea that the three rotating rings are shielding the insides from EM fields and spacetime itself is quite ridiculous for two reasons. The first is that all you need to block out all EM waves is a Faraday cage which is little more than a box of copper mesh. Second is the idea that you can shield yourself from spacetime. Quite simply that is not how spacetime works. If you could shield yourself from spacetime you would be shielding yourself from reality itself and would therefore be in a void of inexistence.

The last glaring problem that I remember is his description of the Philadelphia experiment. It is absolutely impossible for a black hole to be created accidentally by a super powerful arc welding machine. The most obvious reason is that it simply wouldn't have enough power. An average industrial arc welder generates about 28,000J/s of energy whereas the Large Hadron Collider at CERN will produce 10,000,000J of energy and even that will only possibly be enough to create a black hole the size of an atom which then proceeds to evaporate in less than a nanosecond. On top of this is the way he describes the black holes as causing tools to randomly disappear. If somehow they did manage to accidentally create a real black hole (which did not evaporate) it would simply suck up the ship and eventually the whole solar system.

So in conclusion I see no reason to believe most of what is proposed in this video. It is definitely good for leading yourself in interesting lines of thought and I liked Wilcock's thinking, especially during the section right at the end. But, for the most part, it does not prove a thing.

You insinuate that I am

You insinuate that I am being small minded in my criticisms of the video, but if you care to read more closely I did say that it was possible that the whitenesses or Wilcock himself were "inaccurately describing the events and technology's". I agree that there is something possibly hidden "going on", I just think that whatever it is, it certainly isn't what Wilcock is describing (in technicality at least).

It could possibly be some permutation of of his descriptions but that is just speculation and definitely not grounds for belief. If it were then, employing that thinking, you would have to believe to some degree everything anyone ever told you because some variation of it could be true.... do you see how that doesn't make sense?

And I would like to highlight that there is a difference between Wilcock's theory and physicists "educated guess theories". The physicists guess theories are based upon decades, even centuries, of unbiased work that is supported by a wealth of empirical data. using these guess theories they have been able to make successful calculations and predictions that allow us to even have this conversation over the internet. On the other hand Wilcock's theory is based on vague stories told by a few mysterious witnesses.

I concede that my last post was very long and explicit but that was because I wanted to make what I was saying as clear as possible. If I had left a simple post stating "this doesn't agree with the laws of physics" it would have come across as small minded dismissal by an uninterested skeptic. Although as you have evidenced I was not successful in avoiding that impression! For which I apologise.

Belief Systems and Science?

No need to apologize.

You bring up valid criticisms...

although I would disagree slightly with your hermeneutical standpoint...I would advise you to read Kuhn if you haven't already. I don't think forming hypotheses has much to do with "Belief", it seems that rigid belief systems are problematic in and of themselves. However, it would be nice to see more scientific inquiry in the public domain...The folks who are workin on this stuff are so incredilbly bought out that we have to resort to hearing from Wilcock rather than reading about it in periodicals. Nevertheless, it seems that Wilcock's work really serves to break people out of their cultural trance and to realize that there is more to the picture than meets the eye, and in fact---popular culture is an important starting point for invesigation---as it synchronistically seems to hold much validity.

 

wanderlust

 

more debate

It's very difficult for a lay person like myself to make proper judgements about these scientific theories, no matter how hard I try to understand them. That's why it seems so important that this work should be more widely known about so it can be properly investigated. Unfortunetly subjects that I find fascinating like ufos and crop circles seem to be largely ignored by the media, it just seems that journalists are not doing their jobs - we need another 'watergate' like investigation, which I think could really bring about a new world paridigm, and hopefully the downfall of the 'ruling elite' which I think is exactly what is needed.

Media Ignoring?

When it comes to our era of investigative reporting there is not much evidence that it is a situation of ignoring but there is a lot of evidence that it is moreso a situation of being silenced and forced to keep secrets, secret which seems to be killing the spirit of investigation and narrowing the scope of the journalist's voice.

Dozens not ignoring

If you know the site where journalists vent you know there are far more than five journalists not ignoring. I can't give this site out, its a requirement that one must search long enough to find it for oneself. Oh by the way...happy easter CJ...I just ingested some of your bliss balls over on the "Jest" site...best damm easter food I ate all weekend....chuckles, smiles and peace

Words?

The semantics of words is a pain in the bunny butt. "Ingest" to take into one's mind, isn't it strange our mind eats thought ..... and "Jest" the blog where the clowns got all roiled up. "site" a place where discussion goes on!!!! 

More rigour please

I watched this clip in its entirety and have to say what starts out as an intriguing lecture degenerates into some fairly spectacular garbage. His inability to account for a single source regarding his more astounding claims reeks of fantasy to me. His eloquence in argument generally impresses, but then, L Ron was renowned for his smooth talk as well. Not to say I disagree with many of his points (everything is permissible, after all) but really, I found his assertions lacked in the most basic standards of critical thinking. If the theories which this generation is forwarding are of paramount importance to the future of the species, and I believe they are, then this kind of work is a bad precedent in furthering the significance of such ideas. Of course, what does that matter when there's gold in them thar hills?

yeah yeah

fnord