Will There Be 9/11 Truth?

An increasing number of architects and engineers are giving voice to concerns that it was impossible for World Trade Center Towers 1, 2, and 7 to have collapsed by plane impact and fires alone. Topping the list of reasons why it seems their collapse was carefully executed in order to instigate a preplanned "War on Terror" is the physical evidence of explosives. This evidence includes the fact that the steel was melted by temperatures far surpassing those that could have been created by fires, as well as the hundreds of eyewitness testimonials reporting to have heard consecutive explosions right before strategic floors began to collapse. There was also an array of widespread damage that is consistent with explosions.
Many sources, including C.S.I. 9/11 and the Journal for 9/11 Studies, have examined the glaringly botched investigation of the 9/11 Commission. In the words of the commission's own Chairman, and former NJ Governor, Thomas Kean the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail." And in the latest slap in the face to the American people regarding that terrible day, the Obama Administration recently announced that it won't support the 9/11 health bill.
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It's certainly not
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wake up
Sadly, it is you that is the one that is holding onto to this idea that the government had no role what so ever and that men living in a cave independently and successfully planned and executed one of the most disastrous attacks against a multi-trillion defense shield of military and intelligence might. As much as you may wish for this, 911 Truth is never going away. But you are also probably 10% of people who think Oswald killed JFK.
Look into the history of Al Qaeda and how they were created. Do some research into the history of false flag events being a military pretex to overthrow countries and take away theor freedoms in the name of 'security'. Google: Operation Northwoods, Google: The New World Order/Mainstream News articles. All great nations collapse from within, do you think that other nations throughout history willfully wanted to be tyrannically enslaved and that we are magically immune?Please prove me wrong that you are not just another one of the countless people that I have had this very conversation with who seem to be infinitely incapable of seeing through all the disinformation and lies. But then again, as I watched one day in Union Square in 2002, before I became a 'conspiracy theorist' as I sat on the steps listening to 'crazies' on their soap box shout about 911 being an inside job, I too heard a voice in my rational mind try to tell me that they were just crazy conspiracy nuts and everything was okay, but as I watched people oblivious to them going to and fro, talking on their phones, carrying their Whole Foods bags and a gym bag in the other on their way home from work...I had to ask myself, "What if these guys are right, just what if they are right, and nobody seems to care?"Seriously?
You are incapable of debate
Patriot act: wrong. Erosion
Patriot act: wrong. Erosion of freedoms: wrong. I happen to support the noninterventionist foreign policy. As far a body scanners go...if a private business wants use the scanners then they have the right. IF they allow people to be armed on flights, I'm ok with that too. I don't like full body scanners at the airports but I also have the choice to not fly on the airlines.
Where is your "constructive" opposing point of view? I bet it is you who has not properly vetted all the facts pertaining to 9/11.
UBL told us he was coming and why in a Time magazine article published well before 9/11. Are you trying to tell me the U.S.S. Cole bombing, as well as the U.S. Embassy bombings were all inside jobs as well?
I understanding your natural suspicion of the federal gov't. The leviathan that is the fed gov't needs to be stopped. I think we can find common ground there. If there was any merit to 9/11 being an inside job then something would have come of it. It's 9 years removed and this movement still has no legs to stand on.
911 Truth for those brave enough to look.
Most likely you have not really done your research and are speaking out of the fear of integrating this reality into your consciousness.
Don't worry. It's painful for everyone to wake up from a well fabricated illusion. But if you are willing to look and examine the evidence for yourself with an open mind you might be surprised to find that the "official" story makes no sense whatsoever from a scientific perspective.
Red pill/Blue pill it is your choice. Best wishes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isTGuaaln9Aae911truth.org
Integrating this reality
You are joking aren't you?
...and so calling someone
Dear Dabodizafa,
You are absolutely right! “The reality is terrorists hijacked the planes and flew them into the WTC towers…”
Before you have a chance to become defensive, please think about the following philosophical principle:
In order for a grand lie to be accepted by the majority of people there has to be enough truth within it to convince them. Otherwise, all these people must be completely delusional, right?
As you say, it is absolutely true that two airliners hijacked by terrorists crashed into the twin towers. We all saw it happen with our very own eyes! That said, lets take a fresh look at what happened afterward. Both towers collapsed at nearly the speed of gravity (in under 12 seconds). Taking into consideration the design and construction of the towers (I watched them being built and worked in tower #1 before it was complete so this is a bit easier for me to comprehend), would such a factual collision be the sole cause of such a factual collapse? This is a simple enough question that common laws of physics can easily answer using just one physical law: The law of GRAVITY.
The following website has a simple to understand gravity simulation that answers such a question.
Please visit this website with an open mind, and after looking at and thinking about the physics behind the collapse itself, ask yourself to take another look at the overall picture. Simply use physics and common sense, pick apart the pieces of both stories using an open mind, and determine for yourself which pieces of each story fit the physical evidence, and which do not.
Please just ignore the inflammatory rhetoric on the following web page for now. JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE PHYSICS. Here’s the website page:
http://drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BilliardBalls.
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I'll be looking forward to your response.
I looked at all the links
I looked at all the links left on this topic and while most of them do their best to explain an alternate theory, in the end, they all fall well short of convincing me that it was an inside job. One could conjure up a cornucopia of alternate theories from the mounds of data created in the midst of this disaster. I am also willing to cede that there is an infinite number of reason the tower fell.75 seconds slower than it should have. We really need to stop picking fly shit out of pepper, and take back the reins of this country from the leviathan that is our federal gov't.
Look. I'm not saying everyone that believes in alternate theories is a cook. In an earlier post I did say it was un-american, and that was indeed wrong to say. It doesn't make anyone un-american to believe otherwise, but for some to say this topic should be a litmus test... There is no middle ground with someone like that. Maybe there will be another topic on this awesome website that will have us seeing eye to eye.
Concrete Operational
You say, “I am also willing to cede that there is an infinite number of reason the tower fell 75 seconds slower than it should have”.
Your response clearly demonstrates a fundamental lack of basic concrete operational awareness. You should have grown out of this stage by now. Lets see if you can grasp this example:
Picture a single vertical domino standing up on a table. Push it over and see how long it takes to fall. Now picture a vertical column of 110 dominoes with enough space between them so that when you push the top of the first one into the second one a result will occur known as “the domino effect”. Now compare how long it takes for this column of vertical dominoes to completely fall over.
Now picture the same column of 110 vertical dominoes falling over simultaneously in the same period of time that it took for the single domino to fall. Please give me at least one thousand of the “infinite number of reason[s]” why.
Not why they all fell over at the same time, but why you haven’t advanced beyond the concrete operational stage of a twelve-year-old! (See Consciousness explained better (2009) by AllanCombs. Paperback edition: page 32)
You are talking about
You are talking about dominoes, I am talking about the WTC towers. Once again, there are a million possibilities as to why the tower fell seventy-five hundredths of a second slower than your lab controlled stack of dominoes. You literally are picking fly shit out of pepper. I am done discussing this topic at any length. You have no solid argument, and i have more relevant issues to devote my time to.
So if you wish, you can have the last word, and I'm sure most of your comments will be more of you insulting my intelligence. The name calling really is uncalled for, and rather infantile. Good luck in proving your theory.
Pre-operational
Thanks for the last word.
Here’s another one. Remember the Slinky? When I was a kid it was a cylinder of spring steel that would “walk” down the stairs when pushed over from the top toward the step below.
Here’s the experiment: Drop a Slinky from the balcony of your parents home (I’m assuming you still live at home with your parents) directly to the floor below and time how long it takes. Then let the Slinky “walk” down the stairs (making sure before hand that your staircase is not curved) and time how long this takes. The slinky “walk” should take approximately one step per second, while the gravity drop will take approximately one second total.
This "Slinky Walk" experiment, similar to the "Domino Effect" experiment, uses the same classic principles of gravity and inertia as the "Billiard Ball" experiment. (And, yes, they all pertain to the attempt to explain the fall of the WTC Towers)
I’m sorry about my statement regarding your position in the concrete operational stage of awareness. I was mistaken. You awareness is even more primitive than I originally suspected: Somewhere before the concrete operational stage, which is called the preoperational stage. (Between age two… to about seven) I'm really sorry that you were offended by my original portrayal of your awareness. As it turns out, you really should have taken it as a compliment.
See the book Consciousness Explained Better (2009) by AllanCombs. Paperback edition: pages 30 to 32)
..."(And, yes, they all
..."(And, yes, they all pertain to the attempt to explain the fall of the WTC Towers)"... Should I highlight the word "attempt" for you?
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Pardon me...
Pardon me...but I have examined the myriad "coincidences" of the events of that day - from "rescue" searches called off when the gold was found to freefall collapse, from "war games" with the exact scenario being conducted on that very day to the urgent demand that the buildings had to be insured against "terrorist" attacks to the Bushes and the Chertoffs in the right place at the right time to the removal of the bomb-sniffing dogs to FBI roundup of footage in the area very shortly afterwards - as if they already knew who had cameras where...and the list is much longer still.
No way did all these many "coincidents" "just happen." Pardon me if I believe there was collusion to create what happened in the ranks of the Bush Administration and beyond.
And interestingly, those who would say that conspiracies just never happen don't know much about history. Conspiracy is the norm. They don't know about the Reichstag - which did for Hitler what 9/11 did for the Bush Admin: it gave more and abundant power to the ones who planned and executed the event.
And pardon me...but I find your pathetic adhom about "anti-American views" to be a sad commentary on you, who cannot see that those of us who see what individuals did to the rights and constitution of this great nation and are angry about it are the true patriots. Those who plunge their heads in the safe sands of self-delusion are the traitors, the "anti-Americans."
I believe it was Jefferson who said something on the order of The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. True patriots are the ones who keep the vigilance and can see when "coincidents" add up to a threat to the "American Way." NOT those who keep telling themselves that billions-to-one odds that took place on 9/11 (all combined) is reasonable to expect.
Interestingly... If one approaches the whole mess with a conspiracy as the premise, "coincidents" disappear, and the odds drop to about 1:1.
If the Universe is mostly Dark Energy... Can we use it to run our cars?
The most amazing thing...
Litmus Test
Totally
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People can't allow themselves to see the truth
People have to give up too much to see the evident truth, so they see the lie instead.
You can't go part way with this issue. Once you start pulling the thread, the entire garment unravels and you're left naked in the cold light.
The myth: A free, and noble nation was attacked by backward religious fanatics who want to oppress and the world. Once roused, the great nation fought on in defense of freedom.
The truth: A subjugated and self-absorbed nation was attacked by fascist elements within the state to ensure record breaking profits for a relative handful of individuals. Once duped, the nation meekly participated in the ensuing crimes against humanity for no possible gain and ever-lasting shame.
The issue isn't that people don't want to believe 9/11 was inside job. The issue is that people don't want to believe that we've sunk so low that we can't stand up anymore.
All anyone can really do is own the truth their own hearts, focus intent and actions for reality moving forward, bless those who are too afraid to see, and forgive those who committed this crime.
Dedicated to the proposition
Hidden Facsist elements in the nation
Unfortunately a full-blown
The sad state of things...
So much of me wants nothing more than to grab the unconcerned masses by the shoulders and shake them violently, prying open their eyes to the obvious, albeit horrific truth. And yet, to do so will quite possibly do nothing more than forever turn away those whom I wish to enlighten.
Peter Joseph, the man behind the making of the Zeitgeist films, saw this dilemma. His first film, "Zeitgeist: The Movie," shed light on the awful truth of 9/11 and other issues that I am sure I do not need to discuss here. There was such a negative reaction to the information presented in the film that many people convinced themselves that he was simply a fanatic anti-American, rather than an honest man who seeks nothing more than an exposition of truth and the advancement of society towards a more sane, sustainable future. For this reason, when he produced the sequel, "Zeitgeist: Addendum," he decided to focus primarily on the absurdity of the monetary system, and incorporated an extensive plan for change (The Venus Project).
If we truly wish to put an end to the craziness that is our government and socioeconomic structure and the corrupt, abhorrent actions that it promotes, we must avoid dwelling on the issues of the past and instead promote a positive outlook for the future--one that is appealing to the masses and will allow them to see for themselves that the current system to which they are subservient is not structured with their best interests in mind.
Stay with those who you awaken
Even though I considered myself a post-conventional person before I reviewed the 9-11 issue to my final satisfaction, achieving that new and largely cynical frame of mind was accompanied by a severe shock to my consciousness. What happens when everything you were taught to believe is proven to be untrue… again? The removal of the rug I thought was under me made me very unsure of my footing. I suspect that many Americans are simply unprepared and therefore unwilling to receive such a severe shock to their worldview.
Moving to an understanding of the dark side of American policy is a foundational demolition and rebuilding project and many people simply have nothing else to stand on after such an excavation is complete. Americans and others need courage to see the facts, and those of us who can, must try to wake them up by whatever means possible. If we succeed, we then need to continue with them; to help them put another more relevant rug back under their feet—not a rug of our own choosing, but the one within their own soul—the one their destiny has in store for them alone.
I was watching the Towers,
quote immortal technique
Actually Bohdimind, if the
9/11 Conspiracy Theories: An Ethnography
The meaninglessness of the phrase "conspiracy theory"
What I find most interesting in the debate about what happened on 9/11/2001 is the implicit revelation that the phrase "conspiracy theory" is completely meaningless except as a rhetorical tactic. Consider: if you doubt the official story, then you are dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist." And yet the official story is itself the tale of a conspiracy between at least 18 people. So what does it mean to say that someone is a "conspiracy theorist" in a situation where ALL the theories involve a conspiracy? It means that you are handily dismissed without any further thought needed.
So we can take that lesson with us. Dismissing anything out of hand as a "conspiracy theory" is simply a strategy for people who haven't actually given the matter any thought (which is not the same thing as saying that the people espousing the "conspiracy theory" are correct, BTW). If they did, they would strike the phrase "conspiracy theory" from their lexicons.
No, no, no;
It doesn't mean that at all;
It just means "You're the type of person to latch on to these kinds of stories."
UFOs, crop circles, assasinations, HAARP, haiti conspiracy, 9/11, norway spiral, moon landing, and on and on. It's a recognition of a genre, and the accusation is that the web of human motivations that cause people to fall for this genre of delusions has touched you. You need a name for this category of people, and the chosen name is "conspiracy theorist."
It's not at all a doubt that, for example, Al Quaeda is conspiring, or that Iran-Contra was a conspiracy, and so on.
Yes, yes, yes
"UFOs, crop circles, assasinations, HAARP, haiti conspiracy, 9/11, norway spiral, moon landing, and on and on. It's a recognition of a genre, and the accusation is that the web of human motivations that cause people to fall for this genre of delusions has touched you. "
I think many here would say it's delusional to assume we are given the full unfiltered truth behind these things. This has already been proven over and over NOT to be the case. Therefore some of us take it upon ourselves to get to the bottom of things using all of the information available to us. This is how a healthy and free society operates. Sure, there are some details that are wildly speculated on, but there is also a great deal of evidence to support some of these theories of conspiracy. But ultimately, it's only through direct experience that we can encounter any real semblance of truth. By any other means, we are simply piting one person's source against someone else's under the presumption that least one of them is credible. So, to call this a 'genre of delusions' is a bit arrogant. Both camps have their fair share of delusions. You go on to say "it is not at all a doubt" that Al Quaeda, and the Iran-Contra was a conspiracy. But exactly how is it "not at all a doubt"? Where you present at the time these conspiracies took place? Maybe you've been sufficiently convinced, but what standard of absolute truth do you think you represent? Neither side is going to have all the answers. As in most cases, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. But when it comes to something like 9/11, being somewhere in the middle still has huge criminal, conspiratorial implications.
Here is "arrogance" again.
The idea that it's arrogance to state what you plainly see, is way off, over repeated.
If someone saw that a flower was blue, in a world of mostly blind people, there is no arrogance involved, even if they tell people, "the flower is blue," and enver waver, even though the blind state differently, or question the certainty.
I do not ask "How do I know the moon landing happened?" skeptically; I ask that question analytically.
This is fair & proper.
As for "the truth is in the middle," -- what's 2+2? One guy says 4, another says 1,000,000. Your logic would split it down the middle, because "the truth is in the middle."
1. Take an ordinary occurance. Perfectly ordinary.
2. Now get a conspiracy theorist to make a wild and outlandish story about it.
3. Split the difference. Is that the truth?
If I saw a ufo in a world
"The idea that it's arrogance to state what you plainly see, is way off, over repeated. "
What you plainly see, and consider ordinary is subjective. But the two examples you gave both fall into the category of direct experience. So,as long as we can determine that A) you are not color blind, and B) That the 2 units you are adding together are not individually comprised of several sub-units, you and I can experience these truths directly.
open your eyes...
try http://drjudywood.com/ for extensive research on 9/11. it is way beyond 9/11 truth...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17287 for info on oil and gold in Haiti. 20K troops to feed the Haitians? really?
between MLK, JFK, RFK, IranContra, Gulf of Tonkin, etc., it should be obvious that we are being misled. calling some 'conspiracy theorists' is just a way to hide the true conspiracies of our so called leaders...
Thanks for posting...
The drjudywood website has a simple to understand gravity simulation that cuts through all the bullshit and reveals the impossibility behind the official explanation. And the Jessy Ventura radio interview at the bottom of that particular page is awesome!
Thanks for posting it!
you are welcome...
i do think this issue is the litmus test...
the lack of any evidence to support the governments' conspiracy theory seems a glaringly obvious sign...the removal of all evidence should raise some doubt, no?
if the 'truth' ever comes out, even 9/11 truthers will be shaken to the core of their view of 'reality'. this is way beyond explosives and 'inside job'.
www.drjudywood.com
A very important post
Thanks for putting this out there Marisa. I would like to repeat the comment by teleomorph that I think is completely accurate:"The 9/11 events have become a sort of modern-day litmus test for common sense. The evidence for demolition and inside job are so endless and glaringly obvious that if one still doesn't grasp the truth after seeing the evidence than there is a real psychological aspect preventing that individual from coming to terms with reality."
Another comment though said we need to move on and focus on the future, forget about whatever happened that day, and this I completely disagree with. All of the current occupations, that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, and continue to kill more every day, are still implicitly "justified" by the official 9/11 story, which has been shown in countless ways to be false. It is also the continued "justification" for all of the increased domestic tyranny that has come in the form of the "Patriot Act" and similar legislation, which Obama has not removed at all, even though they are completely unconstitutional violations of our Rights. SO THE PAST IS IMPORTANT FOR TODAY! Especially when they use that Lie to continue their imperialism/tyranny... common sense! Haven't You heard the quote: "Those Who Ignore History are Destined to Repeat It"?? Meaning in our particular historical context: http://www.infowars.com/another-false-flag-terror-attack-as-justification-for-war-and-trampling-on-our-freedoms/
Yet many here and elsewhere who consider themselves progressive/radical/evolutionary dismiss the massive evidence that the official 9/11 story is a lie (the continued foundation of mass-killings of hundreds of thousands of civilians and domestic tyranny) and focus on unsubstantiated and much less important theories instead (as seen on Reality Sandwich!), again to "justify" the fact they are remaining apathetic on an issue of immense importance. Some issues, like 9/11 Truth and Veganism, are MUCH more important than others, and deserve to be discerned as such and not dismissed as "just another theory".
If people can't discern what is most crucial to progress then they will continue to wade in the stagnate postmodern narcissistic waters until an underwater beast of tyranny/nihilism swallows them whole completing their unconscious defeatist self-narrative of life, even though there were many ropes of truth thrown to pull them out of their delusion, oppression, and negative action & apathy, crucial truths disregarded for comforting self-fooling day-dreams like the ideas that psychedelics and 2012 will bring the "new age".
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Response to Zeitgeist 9/11 conspiracy theories
That's quite the conspiracy
"With the quality of the evidence provided in support of 9/11 theories you could prove that the White House was blown up yesterday."
Sorry, but that statement is just ridiculous. Either you haven't looked at any of the evidence or you're just making things up.
"I can understand why Chomsky is dismayed with the 911 Truth movement. He has devoted his life to uncovering real atrocities committed by the U.S. government."
Real atrocities? Exactly how is 9/11 NOT A REAL ATROCITY?! And, how can you expect us to uncover the larger conspiracy (which I don't doubt exists) if we can't even uncover 9/11 for what it was? And contrary to what you say, the evidence is staggering. In my opinion, 9/11 is our only hope, and a gateway to revealing the grand conspiracy that you've outlined.
I stand corrected
Ongoing crimes of the U.S. Administation
Can you give an example of a
I only ask because I think your point will be made much more easily that way. Unfortunately, I don't think many of us have the time to read the Unabomber Manifesto any time soon. At least, I don't.
Let's think about this...
Let’s say 911 had nothing what so ever to do with the US government. In that case, the physics involved demand that, a couple of hours after both planes hit the towers, most of those inside and on the surrounding streets would have escaped without much injury (with the exception of course of those in the vicinity, and above where the planes hit).
After the fires had been extinguished, the two towers would have been evaluated for structural integrity, and the bodies of those killed would have been recovered, along with the plane's two sets of black boxes.
(A missile would never have hit the Pentagon, nor would a plane have been shot down in Shanksville, PA.)
During the following days and weeks, funerals would occur, the black boxes would be examined for forensic evidence of what actually happened, and plans would be made to “shoot” the twin towers safely. Also during this period, with the backing of the evidence provided by the black boxes, retribution would be secretly planned and vengeance would be meted out to those proved to have been responsible.
Americans would know who attacked them, why they were attacked, and what was done about it in order to avenge the dozens of lives taken that day in NYC on 9/11/2001.
Instead, this event has the potential to cause a new American Revolution because eventually it will be realized by the majority of the American public that our own government was deliberately responsible for the death of thousands of its own citizens in three states; such a horrible possibility that most Americans simply refuse to even consider it.
This comment has been a mental demonstration, using physics and common sense, of the difference between a government for the people, and a government against the people. The facts are clear; this realistic scenario itself stands to condemn those who are truly guilty.
Americans need to WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!
P.S. I wonder what the date 9/11/2011 will demand of our collective American conscience?
Has anyone noticed that the